We the people, have ceded our power to 100 senators, and 435 represenitives, that DO NOT have our best interest at heart. I'm not even sure how to start to tell you how I prove my point.
Let's start at 911. Over three thousand innocent men, women, and children were murdered, by islamofashists. The first thing that 100 senators and 435 represtnitives did, was add another layer of bureaucracy to an already bloated and top heavy, costly bureaucracy. The next thing they did was to form a panel to defend a lying, adulterous, failed president. If this self same adulterous president had acted like a president instead of thinking with the wrong part of his anatomy, that act would not have happened.
Point # 2. without consitutional authority, 100 senators and 435 represenitives, over spend, by a large margine, every time they spend money. EVERY TIME.
Every time 100 senators and 435 represenitives add a new regulation, and a new tax, they take away assets from the American people and American business. Weakening America further.
I defy anyone to show me a project, started by these 100 senators and 435 represenitives, that has succeeded!
Show me in the constitution authority where these 100 senators and 435 representivies can just take money from hard working Americans and just GIVE it millons of people that are here illegaly.
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I like it so far, though I don't see the connection in this statement of yours: "If this self same adulterous president had acted like a president instead of thinking with the wrong part of his anatomy, that act would not have happened."
I look forward to more, and hope fervently that there's substance to your first big splash. Welcome! :-6
I look forward to more, and hope fervently that there's substance to your first big splash. Welcome! :-6
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Hmmmmm. We American-Idolize the system. Here are the issues of the day. Phone in your vote or log into WWW.MYVOTECOUNTS.GOV :wah:
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Diuretic;463822 wrote: Better to idolise it than want to tear it down. Better yet to offer constructive criticism 
I know. My impulse control gets out of whack sometimes.
Diuretic wrote: I have to say here in my country with our parliamentary system I get annoyed with the apparent deafness of legislators. But that goes away after a while.
I wish I knew how to improve it.
Anyway I'm dragging the thread off topic....I shall employ my much under-used "mute" button
I'm not so sure it is off topic. Our representatives look at their title as just that - a title rather than a definition. Many, probably most, see their priorities as (1) re-election, (2) party support, (3) lobbyist support.
Hmm, do I see a pattern?
I know. My impulse control gets out of whack sometimes.Diuretic wrote: I have to say here in my country with our parliamentary system I get annoyed with the apparent deafness of legislators. But that goes away after a while.
I wish I knew how to improve it.
Anyway I'm dragging the thread off topic....I shall employ my much under-used "mute" button
I'm not so sure it is off topic. Our representatives look at their title as just that - a title rather than a definition. Many, probably most, see their priorities as (1) re-election, (2) party support, (3) lobbyist support.
Hmm, do I see a pattern?
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You'd do best to move your argument to the "WW3 - New World Order - Pole Shift - Age of Peace (2006-2012)" thread, iceman, where it will fit in well with the current lecture notes being compiled there.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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Accountable;463832 wrote: I know. My impulse control gets out of whack sometimes.
I'm not so sure it is off topic. Our representatives look at their title as just that - a title rather than a definition. Many, probably most, see their priorities as (1) re-election, (2) party support, (3) lobbyist support.
Hmm, do I see a pattern?
It's worked the exact same way for 250+ years. Point is it works. No matter the current problems. They had the same problems when they came up with it. The system works. Politicians have always been the same. So have lobbyists.
Look at Britain. These problems are not new. But the system has worked for hundreds of years. For Britain. Since 1066 in fact.
Point is, it has worked and will continue to work. In spite of politicians now and to come.
And thats a reassuring thought.
I'm not so sure it is off topic. Our representatives look at their title as just that - a title rather than a definition. Many, probably most, see their priorities as (1) re-election, (2) party support, (3) lobbyist support.
Hmm, do I see a pattern?
It's worked the exact same way for 250+ years. Point is it works. No matter the current problems. They had the same problems when they came up with it. The system works. Politicians have always been the same. So have lobbyists.
Look at Britain. These problems are not new. But the system has worked for hundreds of years. For Britain. Since 1066 in fact.
Point is, it has worked and will continue to work. In spite of politicians now and to come.
And thats a reassuring thought.
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Feudalism by the landowning Barons brought about a parliament like the house of lords. Democracy as we know it today is a relative new developement. In terms of history that is. But the fact that there still is a house of Lords proves my point.
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Precisely. It's how it's been for ages! It works for britain. Government still runs things even though it doesnt make sense, it still works somehow.
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Diuretic;464007 wrote: But I digress.......Not at all, it's quite relevant.
I'm not a member of the House of Lords at the moment. I much prefer, even so, that it remain an unelected body. Not only is a devil I know, it's also effective, and it can't carry the weight of the elected assembly. Any replacement is going to be in favour of the establishment at my expense.
I'm not a member of the House of Lords at the moment. I much prefer, even so, that it remain an unelected body. Not only is a devil I know, it's also effective, and it can't carry the weight of the elected assembly. Any replacement is going to be in favour of the establishment at my expense.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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The United States of America is a constitutionally limited republic. What the constituion limits is congress. The two party system would work great, if for ONE thing. If both parties followed the constitution.
We the People have succeeded, in spit of 100 senators and 435 representitives, not because of them.
Someone said, offer a solution. I would suggest that no senator, no representitive, no president, serve more than one term. The longer in office, the more corrupt the become, because they know how the game is played.
As far as my statement about a failed president acting, I will make myself clear. If clinton had elimenated ben laden when he had the chance(three times), the World Trade Center murders might not have happened.
100 senators and 435 representitives have deluded themsleves into thinking that they are the solution, when, in fact. they are the problem.
Without constitional authority they ban drilling in our own United States, and off shore, thereby sending Billons, yes Billions, of our dollars to countries that wage war against US. In some places, that's giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
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We the People have succeeded, in spit of 100 senators and 435 representitives, not because of them.
Someone said, offer a solution. I would suggest that no senator, no representitive, no president, serve more than one term. The longer in office, the more corrupt the become, because they know how the game is played.
As far as my statement about a failed president acting, I will make myself clear. If clinton had elimenated ben laden when he had the chance(three times), the World Trade Center murders might not have happened.
100 senators and 435 representitives have deluded themsleves into thinking that they are the solution, when, in fact. they are the problem.
Without constitional authority they ban drilling in our own United States, and off shore, thereby sending Billons, yes Billions, of our dollars to countries that wage war against US. In some places, that's giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
iceman64
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As unhappy as the situation is now, you have to look back to when it was worse. Go back to Mcarthy and his cronies. And when half of hollywood was blacklisted because of suspected communism.
Or what about the Tamany scandle? Or even when they were so disillusioned the states tried to secede. Bloody episode that was! But what survived all the corruption was the essence of the government. It worked through all of that, and it will work now.
Or what about the Tamany scandle? Or even when they were so disillusioned the states tried to secede. Bloody episode that was! But what survived all the corruption was the essence of the government. It worked through all of that, and it will work now.
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Just be thankful we arent in China! We are ALLOWED to grumble! Grumble away, my friend.:yh_bigsmi
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I like the freedom to choose! Lets face it, our governments work in spite of the politicians. And it's a total mystery as to why! :yh_bigsmi Must be the force! LOL! (star wars reference)
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Well here is another mind boggle for you. As bad as some governments are anyway, can you imagine how bad it would be if the EU actually manages to enforce a single government over all these nations?
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iceman64;464061 wrote: The United States of America is a constitutionally limited republic. What the constituion limits is congress. The two party system would work great, if for ONE thing. If both parties followed the constitution.
We the People have succeeded, in spit of 100 senators and 435 representitives, not because of them. Hear Hear!!
iceman64Someone said, offer a solution. I would suggest that no senator, no representitive, no president, serve more than one term. The longer in office, the more corrupt the become, because they know how the game is played.[/quote wrote: Hear Hear!! The founding fathers never intended the country to be run by professional politicians, as I recall my history. It was supposed to be concerned citizens devoting part of their lives, then returning to their original work.
[quote=iceman64]As far as my statement about a failed president acting, I will make myself clear. If clinton had elimenated ben laden when he had the chance(three times), the World Trade Center murders might not have happened.I thought that's what you meant, but didn't think of it until after I'd posted.
iceman64 wrote: 100 senators and 435 representitives have deluded themsleves into thinking that they are the solution, when, in fact. they are the problem.
Without constitional authority they ban drilling in our own United States, and off shore, thereby sending Billons, yes Billions, of our dollars to countries that wage war against US. In some places, that's giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
iceman64
Not to mention blocking new refineries from being built.
We the People have succeeded, in spit of 100 senators and 435 representitives, not because of them. Hear Hear!!
iceman64Someone said, offer a solution. I would suggest that no senator, no representitive, no president, serve more than one term. The longer in office, the more corrupt the become, because they know how the game is played.[/quote wrote: Hear Hear!! The founding fathers never intended the country to be run by professional politicians, as I recall my history. It was supposed to be concerned citizens devoting part of their lives, then returning to their original work.
[quote=iceman64]As far as my statement about a failed president acting, I will make myself clear. If clinton had elimenated ben laden when he had the chance(three times), the World Trade Center murders might not have happened.I thought that's what you meant, but didn't think of it until after I'd posted.
iceman64 wrote: 100 senators and 435 representitives have deluded themsleves into thinking that they are the solution, when, in fact. they are the problem.
Without constitional authority they ban drilling in our own United States, and off shore, thereby sending Billons, yes Billions, of our dollars to countries that wage war against US. In some places, that's giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
iceman64
Not to mention blocking new refineries from being built.