pit bulls kill baby

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:08 pm

guppy;453838 wrote: yea, i am bad. once a week puffer rides to town with me and orders chicken nuggets from krytals.

Hahahahaha!!!! :wah: I can just see that! It wouldn't be GUPPY that orders the chicken nuggets for Puffer....it's PUFFER that orders them right? :wah: Hee hee!

Puffer is an adorable name! :-4

guppy · Post by **guppy** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:13 pm

RedGlitter;453840 wrote: Hahahahaha!!!! :wah: I can just see that! It wouldn't be GUPPY that orders the chicken nuggets for Puffer....it's PUFFER that orders them right? :wah: Hee hee!

Puffer is an adorable name! :-4

when i am on here typing he is laying right next to me looking at the screen like he can read. he thinks he owns me. (which he does)

he can't bark right. he says ubba ubba. when he is determined to go for a ride there is no getting him out of the car. we go round and round all over and eventually i give up. he has even rode the buggy in kroger a few times. he is a ham.

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 10:54 pm

You pushed Puffer in the shopping cart?!

I love that!!

cars · Post by **cars** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:06 am

RedGlitter;453764 wrote: No Weeder. "We" don't.

I always question why so many small kids are attacked and I am not ready to believe that some of those attacks are not provoked.

I am smart enough in dog behavior to recognize fact from salation in the media.

Statistically speaking, cocker spaniels are at the top of the list for biting and unpredictable temperament, yet when's the last time you heard about that happening?

I would be happy if pits were regulated like handguns and you had to have a license to own one, therfore it might knock some common sense into these fools who have no respect or knowledge of their needs and training.

I think it's time we stopped "breeding" salacious news stories and listening to idiots like Bill O'Reilly and people in general who don't know what they're actually talking about.

You mention "animal lovers" make excuses for the breed's behavior. I smell a fish here. I expect the next thing coming will be that we are all radical PETA members too. Are you not an animal lover?

Incidentally, has anyone here actually questioned how a person can "sleep through" having her face chewed off?? I for one, am not buying it. These things need to be questioned and thought about and we need to start deciding for ourselves rather than swallow everything the media feeds us.

Yes you're absolutely right Red, any dog can bite, and many do. But as you said, when was the last time you heard of the cocker spaniel, the list topper for biting, cited in the media? The answer may be because they did not "Kill" their victim! :-2

weeder · Post by **weeder** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:17 am

When I look into the eyes of certain breeds of dogs, my arms and legs turn to jelly because of fear. When my sister and I were about 8 and 10 a German Shepard attacked us ( for no reason) as we were walking home through an opened field. If we werent bundled up for winter wearing snow pants with very thick pants.. I dont know what the outcome would have been. I had to leave her with the dog chewing on her legs, and run to get help. In my lifetime I have heard of at least a dozen attacks involving pit balls. And so for me the equation is unemmotional and very simple. This particular animal does not belong anywhere around humans. My label animal lover is surely not the correct title. But I do not mean it in a derragatory way. I have often stood in awe listening to the voices of friends who have a gift with bonding with dogs. I have a good friend in town whose mission in life is fighting for the rights of animals. She holds her pets in higher esteem than people. I would never hurt an animal but to me,hearing about attacks by domestic creatures is more horrifying than if I heard someone was ripped up by a lion.

guppy · Post by **guppy** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:15 am

there is a hardware owner here who had a rotweiller that he used as a guard dog. that dog wouldn't even let his owner get near him. but when i showed up he would let me pet him. the first timei ever saw him i just walked up and started petting him. startled him i think. i didn't know he was ferocious. apparently he forgot too. or thought i must be pretty dense, and why bother.

pantsonfire321@aol.com · Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:14 am

SnoozeControl;453769 wrote: Yeah, that was me. She was obviously stoned out of her mind, but since I've never been so knocked out that an animal could chew off half my face, I can't comprehend how it's possible. Or why her dog would do that in the first place.

I'm not sure I appreciate the snide insinuation that I'm a brainless, unquestioning drone, but I'm not up for another slinging match quite so soon.

Im not so sure the dog chewed off her face , i heard a different story where the dog was trying to nudge the woman awake with it paws ..and paws have claws . Maybe i need to reserch the story i just didn't think her injurys were from a bite .

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:15 am

I said this the last time we had this conversation. Is it a coincidence how most pit bull attacks involve more than one pit bull in the home?

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 6:45 am

LilacDragon;453766 wrote: BTW - it has been proven - IN COURT - that many experts can not postively, accurately and with any kind of consistancy, identify a pit bull.

That is why, in the UK, the enlightened legislation mentions "pit bull type". None

of the dogs banned here are recognised breeds.

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:00 am

VALERIE! You posted a link last time that had several pictures of dogs and we were then asked to identify which was a pit bull. CAn you post that again?

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:01 am

weeder;453911 wrote: When I look into the eyes of certain breeds of dogs, my arms and legs turn to jelly because of fear. When my sister and I were about 8 and 10 a German Shepard attacked us ( for no reason) as we were walking home through an opened field. If we werent bundled up for winter wearing snow pants with very thick pants.. I dont know what the outcome would have been. I had to leave her with the dog chewing on her legs, and run to get help. In my lifetime I have heard of at least a dozen attacks involving pit balls. And so for me the equation is unemmotional and very simple. This particular animal does not belong anywhere around humans. My label animal lover is surely not the correct title. But I do not mean it in a derragatory way. I have often stood in awe listening to the voices of friends who have a gift with bonding with dogs. I have a good friend in town whose mission in life is fighting for the rights of animals. She holds her pets in higher esteem than people. I would never hurt an animal but to me,hearing about attacks by domestic creatures is more horrifying than if I heard someone was ripped up by a lion.

Like the one where the needle is left in it at McDonalds and the kid gets stuck and dies from a heroine overdose?

Sorry. I couldnt resist making the joke. I know you meant pit bUlls, weeder!:wah:

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:08 am

pantsonfire321@aol.com;453961 wrote:

Originally Posted by SnoozeControl

Yeah, that was me. She was obviously stoned out of her mind, but since I've never been so knocked out that an animal could chew off half my face, I can't comprehend how it's possible. Or why her dog would do that in the first place.

I'm not sure I appreciate the snide insinuation that I'm a brainless, unquestioning drone, but I'm not up for another slinging match quite so soon.

COLOR="DarkRed"]SIZE="3"]Im not so sure the dog chewed off her face , i heard a different story where the dog was trying to nudge the woman awake with it paws ..and paws have claws . Maybe i need to reserch the story i just didn't think her injurys were from a bite .

The "girl", was a 38-y.o. woman, who had apparently tried to kill herself by

taking an overdose of sleeping pills. The animal that did the damage was a

black Labrador cross (crossed with what?). Most of her nose, lips, and chin

were removed, leaving her jawbone and teeth exposed. If the dog was

"trying to nudge her awake with it paws" it must have been going at it like

a mad rabbit on speed. I'd go with medical opinion, and say she was chewed.

LilacDragon · Post by **LilacDragon** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:18 am

THE STATISTICS - FATAL DOG ATTACKS IN THE U.S. FROM 1965 - 2001 *

The study covers 431 documented human fatalities from a dog attack.

Location of Attack

25% of all fatal attacks were inflicted by chained dogs

25% resulted from dogs loose in their yard

23% occurred inside the home

17% resulted from attacks by dogs roaming off their property

10% involved leashed dogs or miscellaneous circumstances

Number of Dogs

68% of all fatal attacks were inflicted by a single dog

32% was the result of a multiple dog attack

Victim Profile

79% of all fatal attacks were on children under the age of 12

12% of the victims were the elderly, aged 65 - 94

9% of the victims were 13 - 64 years old

The age group with the highest number of fatalities were children under the age of 1 year old; accounting for 19% of the deaths due to dog attack. Over 95% of these fatalities occurred when an infant was left unsupervised with a dog(s).

The age group with the second-highest number of fatalities were 2-year-olds; accounting for 11% of the fatalities due to dog attack. Over 87% of these fatalities occurred when the 2-year-old child was left unsupervised with a dog(s) or the child wandered off to the location of the dog(s).

Boys aged 1 - 12 years old were 2.5 times more likely to be the victim of a fatal dog attack than girls of the same age.

Breeds Involved

Pit Bull and Pit-bull-type dogs (21%), Mixed breed dogs (16%),

Rottweilers (13%), German Shepherd Dogs (9%), Wolf Dogs (5%),

Siberian Huskies (5%), Malamutes (4%), Great Danes (3%),

St. Bernards (3%), Chow Chows (3%), Doberman Pinschers (3%),

other breeds & non-specified breeds (15%).

Reproductive Status of Dogs

Overwhelmingly, the dogs involved in fatal dog attacks were unaltered males.

From 2000-2001 there were 41 fatal dog attacks. Of these, 28 were attacks by a single dog and 13 fatalities were caused by multiple dogs.

Of the 28 single dogs responsible for a fatal attack between 2000-2001;

26 were males and 2 were females. Of the 26 males, 21 were found to be intact (the reproductive status of the remaining 5 males dogs could not be determined).

States with the Most Fatalities - 1965-2001

California, 47; Texas, 32; Alaska, 26; Florida, 22; New York, 19; Michigan, 18; Illinois, 18; North Carolina, 17; Georgia, 16.

While at times informative, statistics on fatal dog attacks can also be misleading. For example, a number of cases were a Pit Bull, Rottweiler or GSD were counted as causing a human fatality were in reality the direct result of gross human negligence or criminal intent (i.e. discarding a newborn in the yard where the dogs were kept, or cases of extremely emaciated animals, or cases were the dog was ordered or encouraged to attack the victim).

This study was conducted not to determine which breeds of dogs caused fatalities, but rather to examine the circumstances and events that precipitated an attack. Knowing how many Pit Bulls or Rottweilers caused a human fatality has little applicable value, only when examining each case individually can we hope to gain insight into the HUMAN and CANINE behaviors that contributed to these tragic events.

The preceding information and statistics are excerpts from the book:

* "FATAL DOG ATTACKS: The Stories Behind the Statistics", by Karen Delise

More people are killed by cattle in the U.S. each year then by dogs.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:08 am

LilacDragon;454030 wrote: More people are killed by cattle in the U.S. each year then by dogs.

How many cattle are kept in people's homes as pets?

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:10 am

Bill Sikes;454058 wrote: How many cattle are kept in people's homes as pets?

:wah:

pantsonfire321@aol.com · Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:21 am

Bill Sikes;453987 wrote: The "girl", was a 38-y.o. woman, who had apparently tried to kill herself by

taking an overdose of sleeping pills. The animal that did the damage was a

black Labrador cross (crossed with what?). Most of her nose, lips, and chin

were removed, leaving her jawbone and teeth exposed. If the dog was

"trying to nudge her awake with it paws" it must have been going at it like

a mad rabbit on speed. I'd go with medical opinion, and say she was chewed.

If a dog was frantically trying to awaken its owner i could quite well imagine it could do a lot of damage with its claws .If the woman was out cold then maybe she couldnt well feel anything - i still think the dog was trying to help her

weber · Post by **weber** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:38 am

LilacDragon;454030 wrote: More people are killed by cattle in the U.S. each year then by dogs.

Lilac

Would you like to produce some valid statistics on cattle killing people. I've never heard of it.

Just in response to the question.............

How long do you suppose it would take a pit bull or any other vicious dog to chew off half a person's face?

My guess would be maybe one bite, 2 seconds and the trauma would make me faint before I got a chance to wake up.

Dogs are bloody dangerous and that is why I give them a huge berth. One dog continuously growled loud and ferocious and threaten me as I had no choice but to pass by there. One day when I was particularly brave, I roared back at him with his own threatening look and pretended to go after him. He never bothered me after that. Guess I'm scarier than I thot.

Can anyone use the little icons here

LilacDragon · Post by **LilacDragon** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:48 am

More people are killed by guns every year then dogs yet we seem to be willing to accept "owner" responsibility for that. Does it matter if the gun is a Smith and Wesson any more then the breed of dog matters?

Cars kill more people every year then dogs do and yet, again, we seem to understand that it is the person in control of the car that is at fault.

If I don't keep my car in good working order - oil changes, brakes, tires, etc. - and I am in an accident then that accident is MY fault. If I get a large dog - never take it to the vet, keep it changed in the yard, don't train it and don't socialize it - and it bites someone or kills someone then that is MY fault.

Why is it such a huge leap to understand that dogs - like guns and cars - are only as safe as the owners make them!?!

As for the cows - it is a bit of info that I got from a reliable source. I thought it was interesting and threw it in. Sorry.

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:49 am

weber;454109 wrote: Lilac

Would you like to produce some valid statistics on cattle killing people. I've never heard of it.

Just in response to the question.............

How long do you suppose it would take a pit bull or any other vicious dog to chew off half a person's face?

My guess would be maybe one bite, 2 seconds and the trauma would make me faint before I got a chance to wake up.

Dogs are bloody dangerous and that is why I give them a huge berth. One dog continuously growled loud and ferocious and threaten me as I had no choice but to pass by there. One day when I was particularly brave, I roared back at him with his own threatening look and pretended to go after him. He never bothered me after that. Guess I'm scarier than I thot.

Can anyone use the little icons here

Thats because you put him in his place as a leader to him. Dogs are pack animals and in order to feel content HAVE to have a place in the pack. My dog Annie (the eldest) will growl at me sometimes when I try to move her off the furniture and out of "my spot", so I will growl back and say "no" in a low voice. She gets it right away and she is happy. I also eat first, pea first, etc, then Annie and then the baby dog. Val actually gave me that advice along with BR last year and it has worked out stupendously!

weber · Post by **weber** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:56 am

DesignerGal;454114 wrote: Thats because you put him in his place as a leader to him. Dogs are pack animals and in order to feel content HAVE to have a place in the pack. My dog Annie (the eldest) will growl at me sometimes when I try to move her off the furniture and out of "my spot", so I will growl back and say "no" in a low voice. She gets it right away and she is happy. I also eat first, pea first, etc, then Annie and then the baby dog. Val actually gave me that advice along with BR last year and it has worked out stupendously!

That's funny and true Gal

Cuz someone told me that my fear of the dog was what was making him come at me so. I don't know what came over me to growl back except to prove as you say that I was boss and the look on my face when it worked I imagine was rather funny to see. I figured he would chew me into mincemeat but it was to my amazement that he ran away. Most of the time that is what I do with dogs on the loose now or threatening me. Always works

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:58 am

LilacDragon;454113 wrote: Why is it such a huge leap to understand that dogs - like guns and cars - are only as safe as the owners make them!?!

Dogs are animate objects, though unlike cars (sorry, Cars!) or guns. How about

this comparison... someone who lives near you has a pet cat, which is very tame;

a bit further along lives someone who has a pet tiger, which is very tame. Which

person's pet is more likely to kill someone?

LilacDragon · Post by **LilacDragon** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:03 am

Bill Sikes;454122 wrote: Dogs are animate objects, though unlike cars (sorry, Cars!) or guns. How about

this comparison... someone who lives near you has a pet cat, which is very tame;

a bit further along lives someone who has a pet tiger, which is very tame. Which

person's pet is more likely to kill someone?

Well, I am sure you won't like my answer but well - it is true.

The cat.

If you get bit by a tiger, you are going to the emergency room.

If you get bit by the cat, chances are you will put a band-aid on it and not give it another thought. By the time you realize that it is infected, you may well be in danger of losing a limb, it not your life.

More cat bites become infected then any other domestic animal.

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:05 am

LilacDragon;454129 wrote: Well, I am sure you won't like my answer but well - it is true.

The cat.

If you get bit by a tiger, you are going to the emergency room.

If you get bit by the cat, chances are you will put a band-aid on it and not give it another thought. By the time you realize that it is infected, you may well be in danger of losing a limb, it not your life.

More cat bites become infected then any other domestic animal.

REALLY?!?!? Why? With what? Like gangrene?

LilacDragon · Post by **LilacDragon** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:09 am

Not sure of the why's and wherefores, just another one of those things that I have seen more then once.

A friend of mine's husband got bit on the wrist by a cat and there for a while there was some serious concern about his recovering the use of his hand. Since they owned big dogs, he wasn't overly worried about that little puncture wound and it took two days for his hand to swell up enough for him to decide he ought to have it looked at.

pantsonfire321@aol.com · Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:13 am

I read some where recently about somebody dying from an infected cat bite.

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:18 am

"I know of several other people who have needed to be hospitalized and received IV antibiotics after getting a cat bite," said the staff veterinarian at Best Friends Animal Society in Kanab. "Cat bites are no joke. I would strongly urge anyone who receives a cat bite to seek professional human medical attention quickly."

Every year, 3 million to 5 million Americans are bitten by animals. Cat bites account for 5-15 percent of the total animal bites. Although dog bites are a significant amount of the total injuries (approximately 80-90 percent), roughly half of all cat-bite wounds become infected and require medical assistance.

"Cats have a high population of bacterial pathogens in their mouths, including Prevotella species, Actinomyces and Streptococcal species," Maloney said. "They also have a very effective delivery system: sharp teeth. Getting bit by a cat is like getting an injection, but of bacteria."

Cats' pointy teeth not only inflict painful bites but often inject bacteria into the bloodstream. And the puncture wounds are so small they are likely to seal up quickly.

"People have to be concerned about the risks of a cat bite. The idea that cats don't bite is a myth," said Dr. Richard H. Polsky, a certified applied animal behaviorist based out of Los Angeles.

Taken from this article: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635166674,00.html

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:21 am

eeeewwww. You learn something new everyday.

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weber · Post by **weber** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:29 am

DesignerGal;454138 wrote: eeeewwww. You learn something new everyday.

I am shocked. I thought everybody knew that if they were bitten by any animal that they should go to a doctor or emergency immediately for tetanus shot. Or if you tramp on or pierced by a rusty nail or anything dirty, you immediately disinfect and use an antibiotic and cover up. And if there are any signs of redness, get to the doctor pronto. I don't take great care of myself but I do these things because infection, gangering, stuff like that is gross.

Nice sidetracking.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:29 am

LilacDragon;454129 wrote: Well, I am sure you won't like my answer but well - it is true.

The cat.

If you get bit by a tiger, you are going to the emergency room.

If you get bit by the cat, chances are you will put a band-aid on it and not give it another thought. By the time you realize that it is infected, you may well be in danger of losing a limb, it not your life.

More cat bites become infected then any other domestic animal.

If you sincerely believe that a tiger bite is less dangerous than a bite from a domestic cat, then I put it that you that you are completely wrong in the head.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:31 am

DesignerGal;454130 wrote: REALLY?!?!? Why? With what? Like gangrene?

The problem is simply that if you are deeply bitten by a cat, it's hard to clean

the wound, because their teeth are long and thin.

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:31 am

Bill Sikes;454146 wrote: If you sincerely believe that a tiger bite is less dangerous than a bite from a domestic cat, then I put it that you that you are completely wrong in the head.

Where is your smiley? That was kind of rude.

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:35 am

Bill Sikes;454148 wrote: The problem is simply that if you are deeply bitten by a cat, it's hard to clean

the wound, because their teeth are long and thin.

I call bullsh*t. Bacteriologically speaking, a feline's mouth is one of

the worst there is. Plain and simple.

Human to human bites are pretty nasty, too, and that has nothing to

do with length/width of teeth.

weber · Post by **weber** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:36 am

DesignerGal;454150 wrote: Where is your smiley? That was kind of rude.

I don't know but I can't use those little smilies. The board isn't working right. I know some of the keys to use and probably some of us do and some of us don.t.

The smile smilie didn't work but I typed in colon and parenthesis

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:36 am

DesignerGal;454150 wrote: Where is your smiley? That was kind of rude.

There is no smiley. There *is* an "if", though.

Do you think that a tiger bite is less dangerous than that of an ordinary cat?

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:37 am

Bill Sikes;454161 wrote: There is no smiley. There *is* an "if", though.

Do you think that a tiger bite is less dangerous than that of an ordinary cat?

Yes. And I do because I just went and researched it. Here is one of the websites I found about cat bites:

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635166674,00.html

ETA:

And Im not wrong in the head either.

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:39 am

valerie;454156 wrote: I call bullsh*t. Bacteriologically speaking, a feline's mouth is one of

the worst there is. Plain and simple.

Human to human bites are pretty nasty, too, and that has nothing to

do with length/width of teeth.

And I think I just proved this point with my earlier post and one before this. As well as the picture.

weber · Post by **weber** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:44 am

DesignerGal;454165 wrote: And I think I just proved this point with my earlier post and one before this. As well as the picture.

Good grief. Injury from cat bites is the result of not taking care of yourself afterwards. A dog mauls and kills a child is a result of a dangerous vicious dog.

How did we get from being killed by a dog actualling attacking and killing them to a cat bite that we let get infected and it hurt us and might possibly in rare cases kill us. Not much comparison there.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:45 am

valerie;454156 wrote: I call bullsh*t.

WELL GO AND LOOK IT UP ON THE NET, THEN!

Well, after that justified shouting, here's a snippet for you:

http://www.askdrsears.com/html/8/T084900.asp

CAT BITES

These have about a 50% chance of becoming infected because they tend

to be deep puncture wounds (although they may look small).

Virtually all cat bites should be treated with an antibiotic by mouth, especially

bites on the hands, feet, or face. For just a small nip or scrape, antibiotics are

usually not necessary. The antibiotic works best if started within 8 hours.

Please note the distinction between "bite" and "nip or scrape".

http://patients.uptodate.com/topic.asp? ... _immu/4808

Cat bites — [...]

Deep puncture wounds are of particular concern because cats have long, slender, sharp teeth. When the hand is bitten, bacteria can get into the tissue that surrounds the bones or into a joint and result in osteomyelitis (infection of the bone) or septic arthritis (infection of the joint).

I could go on, but ICBA.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:48 am

DesignerGal;454164 wrote:

Originally Posted by Bill Sikes

There is no smiley. There *is* an "if", though.

Do you think that a tiger bite is less dangerous than that of an ordinary cat?

Yes. And I do because I just went and researched it. Here is one of the websites I found about cat bites:

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635166674,00.html

ETA:

And Im not wrong in the head either.

Where does it mention tiger bites there?

I tell you what. Here's a nice cuddly ***** cat. Here's a great big tiger. You

are going to be bitten by one or the other. Which would you rather bit you?

Edit: Good Lord! The word "p u s s y" was censored!!

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:52 am

weber;454173 wrote: Good grief. Injury from cat bites is the result of not taking care of yourself afterwards. A dog mauls and kills a child is a result of a dangerous vicious dog.

How did we get from being killed by a dog actualling attacking and killing them to a cat bite that we let get infected and it hurt us and might possibly in rare cases kill us. Not much comparison there.

Absolutely. As you said, it's side-tracking. If you can't win an argument, change

it! Personally, were I to be savaged by a dog, I'd far rather it was an ankle-biter

than a jump-up-and-bite-your-throat type!

I detect an imminent rage outburst... better go & make a cup of tea!

weber · Post by **weber** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:04 pm

Bill Sikes;454182 wrote:

I detect an imminent rage outburst... better go & make a cup of tea!

That made me belly laugh Bill.

I'm off for a cup o' tea meself.

cars · Post by **cars** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:06 pm

Bill Sikes;454182 wrote: Absolutely. As you said, it's side-tracking. If you can't win an argument, change

it! Personally, were I to be savaged by a dog, I'd far rather it was an ankle-biter

than a jump-up-and-bite-your-throat type!

I detect an imminent rage outburst... better go & make a cup of tea!

Well guess maybe you really have to also watch out for "Pit-Bull Type" Cats!:D :p :rolleyes:

weber · Post by **weber** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:11 pm

cars;454194 wrote: Well guess maybe you really have to also watch out for "Pit-Bull Type" Cats! :p :rolleyes::D

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 12:39 pm

Bill Sikes;454175 wrote: WELL GO AND LOOK IT UP ON THE NET, THEN!

Well, after that justified shouting, here's a snippet for you:

http://www.askdrsears.com/html/8/T084900.asp

CAT BITES

These have about a 50% chance of becoming infected because they tend

to be deep puncture wounds (although they may look small).

Virtually all cat bites should be treated with an antibiotic by mouth, especially

bites on the hands, feet, or face. For just a small nip or scrape, antibiotics are

usually not necessary. The antibiotic works best if started within 8 hours.

Please note the distinction between "bite" and "nip or scrape".

http://patients.uptodate.com/topic.asp? ... _immu/4808

Cat bites — [...]

Deep puncture wounds are of particular concern because cats have long, slender, sharp teeth. When the hand is bitten, bacteria can get into the tissue that surrounds the bones or into a joint and result in osteomyelitis (infection of the bone) or septic arthritis (infection of the joint).

I could go on, but ICBA.

YOU say your shouting is justified, I don't think it is.

I was not trying to win an argument, I was staying out of the whole

pit bull thing entirely. I just refuse to let something stand when who

knows how many people read it and it's something they found on the

internet.

BACTERIA getting into the tissue is what I was getting at, not the

type of wound. I've had very deep SURGICAL wounds that never

got infected and I was never treated with antibiotics. Alright? And

before your snarky comeback about all the bacteria found in hospitals,

don't bother jefe I know it already.

I learned long ago that "thread drift" is quite common, so that's why

we went from dogs to cats or whatever. Big deal.

And hey Mr. Snarky, I'm not feeling any rage at all thank you very much.

Enjoy your tea.

zinkyusa · Post by **zinkyusa** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:22 pm

val said

Mr. Snarky

:yh_rotfl

Fibonacci · Post by **Fibonacci** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:20 pm

The Father should have known better. You Don't leave a 2 y/o alone with FOUR Pitbulls. Or four of any animal for that matter

weeder · Post by **weeder** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 5:43 pm

I cant believe I wrote PIT BALLS... Must of been a freudian slip.......

I love cats.... their bites do hurt like hell... for a long time. WHITE mecuricrome is great for any kind of puncture wound. Thorns, needles, sharp pointy teeth.

pantsonfire321@aol.com · Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:46 pm

SnoozeControl;454475 wrote: What's kind of strange is that I've lived with cats for as long as I can remember, and I don't think I've ever been bitten by one. Nipped, but it didn't break the skin.

Never been biten by a cat but been scratched plenty of times..oo and a snake bite and One of my torties gave me a nip when i got in the way of his girlfriend - that bloody hurt .

Carl44 · Post by **Carl44** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:25 am

pantsonfire321@aol.com;454633 wrote: Never been biten by a cat but been scratched plenty of times..oo and a snake bite and One of my torties gave me a nip when i got in the way of his girlfriend - that bloody hurt .

yup them torties can move like greased lightning when they need to poor old pants you never stood a chance :wah: :wah: :wah: :wah: