Congress Schiavo

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:33 pm

governor Bush,

says dcf can take custody.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 3:47 pm

kmhowe72 wrote: governor Bush,

says dcf can take custody.that has been denied.

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:31 pm

It might have been denied, But it was denied by Judge greer. go figure. and you still maybe able to use it anyway.

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:34 pm

Patrica heaton, Mel Gibson, Pat Boone, Mel gibson. AND for god sakes the pope. Have all stated that this is really bad. (Not a Surprise when comes to Mel gibson and the pope)

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 4:50 pm

the matter is now in the court of last resort, the US Supreme Court has it, but they have always refused to hear the case.

Paula · Post by **Paula** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 5:14 pm

smokeater, i love the name & your comments are funny as hell. everyone has had something to say about this. the woman is without food and water, she will be dead very shortly. its a tough situation. the husband should be relieved soon as terrys fate will be over.

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:24 pm

judge greer to re hear case tomorrow.

Paula · Post by **Paula** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:42 pm

smokeater wrote: some people in this world are a waste of good air ,but i don't have the right to hammer a cork in there airway.God will take care of her. The ones that are killing her will have to face him.

Hammer a Cork in their airway? OMG, i don't think medically that would happen. The tube is removed, the airway shuts down on its own? I never heard it put that way, and if this method is to be used i would just stuff the hole with a chunk of paper towel or something. :wah:

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 12:18 pm

this afternoon Judge Greer has denied the state of Florida and Gov. Bush custody of Terri.~~ Last night US Supreme Court refused to hear matter.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 7:27 pm

For God's Sake this case devouring all the news 24/7 is ridiculous. The poor woman should have died a decade ago. I hope the machines keeping her body alive are turned off tonight. Surely someone with a chance of recovery could use her room. I hope and pray no one ever does that to me. The selfishness of her parents, bankrolled by religious zealots is mindboggling.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 7:39 pm

David813 wrote: For God's Sake this case devouring all the news 24/7 is ridiculous. The poor woman should have died a decade ago. I hope the machines keeping her body alive are turned off tonight. Surely someone with a chance of recovery could use her room. I hope and pray no one ever does that to me. The selfishness of her parents, bankrolled by religious zealots is mindboggling.David, she is NOT on any "machines". she had a simple feeding tube for nourishment, which was removed last friday. she is simply dehydrating and starving. period. which of course plays havoc with kidneys and electrolytes and all systems. if you starved/dehydrated a dog i would arrest you for animal cruelty.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:11 pm

If I starved an animal I would deserve a bullet. If I were on breathing machines, brain dead and splattered all over the media so callously for 15 YEARS! I would want a bullet! It is sad she lost her life so long ago. I could never do that to my kids no matter how much money I was offered to push the anti-euthanasia movement. Someday science may be able to save severely brain damaged and brain dead people. For now mercy and respect for the patient should be top priority.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:25 pm

SHE IS NOT ON A 'BREATHING MACHINE' (respirator) NOR WAS SHE! she is no different than any alzheimer's patient in a nursing home, who is being fed by a direct catheter to the stomach. think about the precedent here. thousands upon thousands of helpless elderly laying in nursing homes, not communicative, not really "with it". no heroic measures being taken, no respirators or even IVs...just being feed via liquids. should we withhold their nourishment and the essence of life, water? you know what, what would be the harm in her son of a bitch piece of **** selfish lying husband in letting her parents take her home to care for her? who would it hurt? i really want to know. who the hell would it hurt? if that were one of my kids i would love to see the armed cop at the door to her room search me and tell me i couldn't give her an ice chip. and i'm a cop! in fact if i were that cop, i'd give her the ice chip and they could fire my ass. then i'll answer to God. (PS this tirade not aimed at you personally, it's at the situation and the crime against humanity being committed).

David813 · Post by **David813** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:29 pm

I know you feel strongly about this so I won't argue. I believe she should be allowed to expire. I had a loved one who wasn't even brain damaged that was so sick for so long we wished we had the power as a family to let him go. Now a precedent has been set; the Government will make that decision for us.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:35 pm

yes adolf the housepainter set that precedent too. and feel free to argue with me! i am not angry at you personally, i am appalled at the callousness. i have had people i love die awful deaths also. i asked a doctor to give a little too much morphine to someone i loved very much. it was an entirely different situation. it was done and it was right and it was time. this woman is a political football right now. and she will die and then there will be gnashing of teeth and beating of breasts over her HOMICIDE.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:38 pm

I disagree LC about this case but I know better than to push my point and get aggressive!!

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:44 pm

David813 wrote: I disagree LC about this case but I know better than to push my point and get aggressive!!get aggressive as you like, i love a good debate! i am pretty used to aggressive! LOL and i won't even spray you!

David813 · Post by **David813** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:48 pm

Schiavo talks? Does she dance and read Jerry Falwell books too? God called her home 15 years ago. Time for her to go.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:53 pm

David813 wrote: Schiavo talks? Does she dance and read Jerry Falwell books too? God called her home 15 years ago. Time for her to go.is that the definition of life? if God had called her "home" she'd be there , man is SENDING her "home" without due process. in a cruel and unusual manner, contrary to the constitution...why can't i go to san Q and starve richard allen davis?

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:56 pm

skysation wrote: David, You need to read more about this case. this lady is not dead about as dead as you are. as you are a male i am not about to discuss this with you. but read what the neurologists say about this and yes she does make sounds and words which is talking'HELLO AND WELCOME TO FG...nice to meet you.

i don't think David's being a male has any bearing on this however.

David813 · Post by **David813** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:57 pm

Got it Skysation! You have the truth and this male doesn't know what he's talking about! Religious zealots using this woman to bankroll the anti-euthanasia movement is a crime. Every congressperson that used this case to further their careers should be ousted. I could never do that to my kids. I'm thankful the majority is ruling in this case and that Terri is close to expiring into peace. The fundamentalist militants will have to get off Terri's bed and find a new cause to exploit. Welcome to FG!

David813 · Post by **David813** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:03 pm

May she rest in peace and may it be tonight so we can finally get back to the Michael Jackson Trial! :guitarist

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:07 pm

David813 wrote: I disagree LC about this case but I know better than to push my point and get aggressive!! :yh_chickn :yh_chickn STILL THINKING ABOUT THE CAT EH?

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:16 pm

SCRAT...i respect your opinion, and i know millions of people on the planet are not receiving adequate health care. this thread topic is very narrow, about Terri. her parents taking charge of her care would not impact the ills of which you speak. i still consider it homicide. i have separated the endless news cycle debate from my own personal opinion. as far as her costs for being at home, visiting nurses are provided on a daily basis all over America. she needs bathing and nourishment delivered through the catheter, that's it.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:29 pm

I agree with LADYCOP on this. Terri is being starved to death. Don't believe for one minute that she isn't in pain she is in terrible pain. :-5

She is in a HOSPICE FACILITY. In that facility she is suppose to be made comfortable, given medication for the pain. Thus being allowed to die with DIGNITY. This is by no means a DIGNIFIED way to die. If this was her wish to not live this way, than so be it. She still should be give water, food, and medication even if the FEEDING TUBE IS NOT REINSERTED ALLOWING HER TO DIE PEACEFULLY.

THIS IS NOT HOW IT'S DONE PERIOD.. THIS IS WRONG, AND I AM SICKENED BY HOW SHE IS BEING TREATED. WE GIVE OUR PETS BETTER TREATMENT THAN SHE IS GETTING. :-1

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:13 pm

Scrat wrote:

This is mercy, not homocide. I agree it may be cruel because ot would be alot easier on all considered if she was givin something to hasten the passing. She does not feel pain now in the sense that we do. we really don't have any way of knowing that. i ask you this with all respect...could you deny a loved one water? that's all, my only question. i don't need to "win" this discussion/debate, all opinions are valid. but last night i was sitting with my son, who is 26, and he asked me the details of this matter, so i told him in as dispassionate a manner as possible, i wanted to hear what he would say. and as i looked at him i thought if he were laying in a bed in this condition could i bear him not receiving life-giving water, and it brought tears to my eyes. i could not. it would kill me to see him debilitated, but i could never let him die like a dog on the desert. of thirst. such a basic need. water. she's dying for lack of water, not anything else. we turn on a faucet, there is water, the giver of life. and we are denying it to her? i have never been particularly religious, but Jesus lover of my soul, Christ on the Cross was denied water. a sponge of salt was pressed to his lips. i can't believe i wrote that, i am not religious. something has touched my soul here. give her water. i would challenge anyone to wake up tomorrow and have no water or coffee or tea or anything. not for an hour, but for 24 hours. sorry, i am shocked at myself, i am usually the most cynical of the lot.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 11:18 pm

SCRAT,

I understand what your saying. It is time to let go. I guess I just don't see the MERCY in the way she is dying..She is a human being. She deserve comfort from her loved ones at this time, and what ever else it takes to guarantee she is pain free. She may not feel pain like your or I, but none the less it is still PAIN.. :-1

WATER WON'T SAVE HER LIFE, BUT IT WILL MAKE HER PASSING LESS PAINFUL.. IT IS A BASIC OF LIFE. HER SKIN IS STARTING TO FLAKE OFF FROM DEHYDRATION. MY GOD WHAT IS WRONG WITH US, THAT WATER CAN'T BE GIVEN TO A DYING HUMAN BEING..

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:36 am

Scrat wrote:

Disgusting.

Everybody is all about the "right to life". What about the right to die? It seems you can put your pet to sleep for a small fee and save it a lot of suffering.

If your a human you have to let the vultures pick your bones until CNN decides the ratings have gone down and all of a sudden everyone finds a "new" cause to self flaggilate about.

Give me a goddamn break. :-5

:-2

Just yesterday there was an appeal to overturn a juries decision because the jury instructions were supposedly misleading.............. :-2

So after a verdict and all, with the judge giving the jury instructions they overturn a decision.

But Michael can say she wanted this done to her after watching a movie.

This really boils down to a he said/she said in my mind.

The only problem is we can only hear what he said.

Scrat, believe it or not the people fighting for Terry are not there to get on CNN or in the circus. They believe she has the right to live or die. They just want her to make that choice not her estranged husband. And if there is just the slightest doubt she would want to live, then so be it. I believe there is doubt in that before he won all the lawsuits he was all for her rehab..........after he got money he started withdrawing her options for rehab.....then all the sudden he reveals she said she would not want to live like this........ :yh_neutra

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:11 pm

Scrat wrote: I wash my hands of this.so did pontius pilate (not aimed at you personally, but the thought was striking to me).

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 9:28 pm

Scrat wrote: Try this.

"You have stood with sword and shield against the breath of the dragon gaspadeen, go now and remember the end of war is victory. All else is nonsense!!!i DO carry a sword and shield, i can relate... "cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war"~~ julius caesar. ~~ a good Easter to you if you celebrate same.

BTS · Post by **BTS** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 9:42 pm

lady cop wrote: i DO carry a sword and shield, i can relate... "cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war"~~ julius caesar. ~~ a good Easter to you if you celebrate same.

Ã¢â‚¬Å“Oh forgive me, you bleeding piece of earth, for cooperating with these butchers. You are the noblest man who ever lived in all of history. Over your wounds now I predict the futureÃ¢â‚¬¦ And CaesarÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s ghost, roaming about in search of revenge, with hate at his side still hot from hell, will in these boundaries with a rulerÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s voice cry Ã¢â‚¬ËœHAVOCÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ and let slip the dogs of war, so that this terrible action will smell above the earth, with rotting corpses, begging to be buried.Ã¢â‚¬

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:31 pm

Scrat wrote: ''This morning is a fateful day for us all, you have fought through this terrible winter and find yourselves here in this ravaged land. You have seen the ruins of Cholm, the ruins of Orel and Vyazma and the havoc bestowed by these animals on our lands and people.

You have stood with sword and shield against the breath of the dragon gaspadeen, go now and remember the end of war is victory. All else is nonsense!!!"

Marshal Gregoriavich Zhukov. May 1943. The start of Operation Bagration when 3 million very pissed Russians went up against 400,000 Germans in the battle that pushed the Wehrmacht 400 miles to the Polish border in just 80 days.WHOO HOO--i LOVE history, let's go start a thread! here is my heroine~~ Queen Elizabeth l ~

This is the speech that she gave to her men at Tilbury, when the Armada was

sailing up the channel.

"My loving people, we have been persuaded by some that we are careful of our

safety, to take heed how we commit ourselves to armed multitudes for fear of

treachery; but, I do assure you, I do not desire to live to distrust my

faithful and loving people.

Let tyrants fear, I have always so behaved myself, that under God I have

placed my chiefest strength and safeguard in the loyal hearts and goodwill

of my subjects; and, therefore, I am come amongst you as you see at this

time, not for my recreation and disport, but being resolved, in the midst

and heat of battle, to live or die amongst you all - to lay down for my God,

and for my kingdoms, and for my people, my honour and my blood even in the

dust.

I know I have the body of a weak, feeble woman; but I have the heart and

stomach of a king - and of a king of England too, and think foul scorn that

Parma or Spain, or any prince of Europe, should dare to invade the borders

of my realm; to which, rather than any dishonour should grow by me, I myself

will take up arms - I myself will be your general, judge, and rewarder of

every one of your virtues in the field.

I know already, for your forwardness, you have deserved rewards and crowns,

and, we do assure you, on the word of a prince, they shall be duly paid you.

For the meantime, my Lieutenant-General Leicester shall be in my stead, than

whom never prince commanded a more noble or worthy subject; not doubting but

by your obedience to my General, by your concord in the camp, and your

valour in the field, we shall shortly have a famous victory over these

enemies of my God, of my kingdom and of my people."

~scrat we are way off-topic here!