Jessica Lunsford is Dead According to Sheriff.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:04 pm

this will come as no surprise to anyone, but the medical examiner in citrus county has confirmed that Jessica was sexually assaulted. :-1

(per Sheriff Dawsy).

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:26 pm

you know their is only one way to say this. This man mUST get the death penalty. Sicko

If I was her moother I be really upset, and I am sure she is. :-5

koan · Post by **koan** » Sun Mar 20, 2005 9:59 pm

I don't know that the mother in this case is one who will feel what she should.

I can't help thinking of how all the publicity affects the lives of our children and their ability to enjoy life. This has gone on for ages but until all the publicity it did not create a constant fear in children's lives. What do we tell them...to keep them safe but not put the fear of death in them every time they leave the house?

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:13 am

koan wrote: I don't know that the mother in this case is one who will feel what she should.

I can't help thinking of how all the publicity affects the lives of our children and their ability to enjoy life. This has gone on for ages but until all the publicity it did not create a constant fear in children's lives. What do we tell them...to keep them safe but not put the fear of death in them every time they leave the house?
I agree with you. How many times have they found the little 'alarms' we send them out with, that noone heard before they disappeared? My parents always told me to stay away from strangers, dont speak or get into a car with anyone I didnt know. But now we live in a different time when the bastards just break into homes and steal our children for their own sick amusement. We send them to school because the law says we have to, yet how many kids never return? Either because they are killed at school, or taken from there. As a mother myself, my heart just aches for what this child must have gone through. Even though I had boys, I have two precious baby grandaughters. (okay so I'm a YOUNG grandmother!) What kind of society are we, that we let these predators loose on our kids? Dont they have enough on their plates? Sheesh! The worst I had to worry about, was getting a black eye! Now our kids have to worry about whos brought a gun to school, the sicko across the street, and umpteen other threats to their person! Just how much stress on just surviving to their 18th birthday, can we expect them to take? I hope the Florida jury sends this guy to hell, where all child molesters need to go. Stealing the innocence and lives of our babies, before they even know what it is! Do people really wonder why children are a bit chubby anymore? It's not safe to let them outside!

robinseggs · Post by **robinseggs** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 9:19 am

Of course I know the size and visibility of several acres. I grew up on 2 acres and there was a 5 acre common ground area adjacent to us. My best friend lives on 100 acres with all kinds of animals. Such a great place for children to grow up. Your children are very lucky. All I am saying is be very careful. You really never know who lives just down the road. You may know where the CONVICTED sex offenders live, but there are 80 more NON-convicted for every known one. Pretty scary. Don't freak out, but where I live a little girl just disappeared right down the road from her house and they live in the middle of NOWHERE...family farm..lots of acres. She has been gone for 2 wks. All I am saying is it CAN happen anywhere.......

Post by **kensloft** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:27 am

The Canadian National news organizations are beginning to pick up this case and are beginning to follow it. It is yet another international incident that is focusing on the health and wefare of our children and their children. Killing th peperpetrator is the easy way out for them. That they never see daylight again is paramount. They are too cowardly to kill themselves so why do them any favours by sending them off too early. Don't ever let them walk as free men ever again. Put them behind bars and let them die there.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:53 am

Kens, does Canada have comparable pedophile/abduction statistics? and if not, to what do you attribute the difference?

Post by **kensloft** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 10:54 am

Raven wrote: I agree with you. How many times have they found the little 'alarms' we send them out with, that noone heard before they disappeared? My parents always told me to stay away from strangers, dont speak or get into a car with anyone I didnt know. But now we live in a different time when the bastards just break into homes and steal our children for their own sick amusement. We send them to school because the law says we have to, yet how many kids never return? Either because they are killed at school, or taken from there. As a mother myself, my heart just aches for what this child must have gone through. Even though I had boys, I have two precious baby grandaughters. (okay so I'm a YOUNG grandmother!) What kind of society are we, that we let these predators loose on our kids? Dont they have enough on their plates? Sheesh! The worst I had to worry about, was getting a black eye! Now our kids have to worry about whos brought a gun to school, the sicko across the street, and umpteen other threats to their person! Just how much stress on just surviving to their 18th birthday, can we expect them to take? I hope the Florida jury sends this guy to hell, where all child molesters need to go. Stealing the innocence and lives of our babies, before they even know what it is! Do people really wonder why children are a bit chubby anymore? It's not safe to let them outside!

Good point on the subconscious fears of the Parents in the West which causes them to keep them indoors where they are safe from apparent harm but are made to lose their health in other ways such as obesity.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:11 am

Sheriff Dawsy says couey may have kept Jessica alive for one or two days. filthy bastard.

Post by **kensloft** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:17 am

lady cop wrote: Kens, does Canada have comparable pedophile/abduction statistics? and if not, to what do you attribute the difference?
Yes they do. Pedophiles are high on the agenda of Canadian parents. What the statisticds are should be the same as America only ten times less. It is the human conditiion and this is what is being dealt with. A year ago some 10 year old, on her way home, was abducted, raped, murdered and cut up into pieces. The perpetrator pleaded guilty and was given 25 years, the minimum sentence. He blamed it on having viewed child porno on the web. Got up. Walked outside and physically grabbed the child from the streets.

There are substantial efforts and resources being put into tracking down the porno sites and the children that are abused by these sickos. Last month some child was traced to Disneyland in Florida where she was sexually abused by these filming pedophiles. These people should be given no chance to re-offend and should be locked away until they are safe(?) to be let loose into society.

The people that are running these sites should come under investigation and where possible jailed. There is no freedom of choice when it comes to abducting children because they saw it on the web. The web should remove this from the electronic world. All yu are doing is giving the perverts a goal to shoot for and that is not to get caught at any cost. Revulsion of people that engage in this activity is too soft a word for how people should feel about pedophiles.

If pedophiles are released there is no reason why they shouldn't be implanted with some kind of chip that would display their whereabouts at all times. There is no excuse for pedophiles and if Christ were around today he would be kicking butt.

Post by **kensloft** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 11:24 am

lady cop wrote: Sheriff Dawsy says couey may have kept Jessica alive for one or two days. filthy bastard.
That is bastards isn't it?

robinseggs · Post by **robinseggs** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:02 pm

kensloft wrote: That is bastards isn't it?

Yeah! Really! Because if he did keep her alive and those others in the house had knowledge of it......just how sick is this world anyhow? Does anybody know if there was a baby living in that house where Couey buried Jessica? I heard there was....???

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:17 pm

2 questions that have me curious. If she was buried so close to her home, how did the dogs miss her scent? Did neighbors not notice any digging? If a child were missing, and someone dug a hole of any kind, I'd be having it checked out.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:38 pm

Peg, a lot of people are asking the same question about the dogs. Sheriff Dawsy said he can't explain it either.

robinseggs · Post by **robinseggs** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 3:58 pm

Peg, I was wondering about the dogs too....however I did feel like I always knew she wasn't far....even speculated it all along, I just was thinking to myself that not everything in life is %100 accurate and knew they were just missing her.....soooo sad. The part about not being seen digging--he probably did at night, and from what I heard, the people living there had knowledge that he committed this crime, so it is possible they even knew of the burial right under the steps and didn't tell.... (i think that is where she was). And down in FL, there are a lot of those tall pine trees and the needles sometimes blanket the ground. It is only my speculation, but I think Couey could havae spread that all over the surface of the grave to conceal.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:02 pm

Yes Couey kept Jessica alive for several days. :-1 This poor child.

This abduction and death of Jessica reminds me more and more of the DANIELLE VANDAM case out here in San Diego. Pretty much the same MO. Got her out of the house somehow. Had her in his RV for several days.. Dumped her body on a lonely road. Attempted to bleach his entire RV to cover his tracks.

ALL I WANT FROM MR. COUEY IS HOW DID HE GET IN THE HOUSE. HOW DID HE AVOID BEING NOTICED WITH HER FOR TWO DAYS. ??? :-5 WE NEED TO KNOW HOW THEY DO IT... WE ARE MISSING SOMEHTING IN THE FIRST 24 HOURS OF SEARCHING... THE DOGS MISSED HER SCENT.. SHE WAS IN THAT HOUSE.. OR MAYBE NOT.. MAYBE IN THE TRUNK OF THE CAR...???

If I remember correctly the Sherriff said they went into that trailer the first day.

mominiowa · Post by **mominiowa** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:17 pm

[If pedophiles are released there is no reason why they shouldn't be implanted with some kind of chip that would display their whereabouts at all times. There is no excuse for pedophiles and if Christ were around today he would be kicking butt.

I have to say--- Tsunamis. earthquakes, fires, and drought...IS HE kicking butt?

robinseggs · Post by **robinseggs** » Mon Mar 21, 2005 8:31 pm

Is it for sure now that he had her for a couple of days? Was that for fact? How horrible if so. If that is the case, oh...........those other people in that trailer know so much more and these details will stream in over the next wks to come. Those sickos all need to be sobered up first-- and THEN put through hell....a hell far worse than little Jessica had to endure. I can not imagine....oh I just can't imagine the pain her family is going through. I think I will go kiss my 3 babies now.....

ilona17 · Post by **ilona17** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:44 am

this is just a tradgedy. how the poeple that let men like this walk the street like this can sleep at night i do not know because i certainly couldnt. I would feel guilty for this poor babies death. Lets just hope she rests in peace and this scum bag finally gest what he deserves!!!!

robinseggs · Post by **robinseggs** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:09 am

Boy.....in this so called "drug-induced" haze he claims he was in, he sure was competent enough to conceal his crime and hide her. And somehow he snuck that quietly as to not wake a dog or sleeping family members??? Just turning the door knob quietly/creeping thru house would have required some thought/calculation/steadiness.....and then she was not a frail little girl.... if he was so "stoned" maybe she could have fought him off/got away......so I don't buy it. What a blooming idiot! OK, so even if he was in this haze, so are a million other American losers....(unfortunately)....and they (most) don't go grabbing innocent little girls. I certainly hope he or some lawyer isn't going to try to use this as a defense! How pathetic. So, did you all see on the news about the kid who just shot 6 classmates/teacher???? While on that subject, they told of another kid some yrs ago who shot 2 students and guess what kind of time he got? 112 yrs....and these sick molesters get a slap on the hand!

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:32 am

while many people may sympathize with the desire to see couey harmed, the authorities have a duty and responsibility to protect him, so he is in protective custody. he will remain PC or in administrative confinement /AC because the county is liable for his safety. he will be housed alone and no other inmate will have access to him.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:52 am

LC, you hear about scumbags like this getting whacked by a family member or some vigilante out there once in a while. What do you guys really think when that happens? I mean, I understand it's your duty to protect them, and I'm sure it sucks, but when someone takes them out say, on their way into the court room, how do the cops feel about that? Or can you not say what your true feelings are in public? I don't want to ask you to say anything that would get you in trouble. (Are you allowed to have an opinion on this?)

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:04 am

Babyrider, i am allowed an opinion like anyone else.i do not post here ON DUTY. the scenario you describe is very rare, despite two high-profile recent incidents(which were aimed at the judiciary, not the defendant). when someone is taken from jail to court the sheriff dept. is responsible, so if something happens to the defendant it is a failure of care and duty at some level. nobody wants to see it happen. it circumvents justice and the ability of the state to give a person the fair trial to which they are entitled. i'm reminded of lee oswald...if ruby hadn't killed him we might have understood the JFK assassination and all its dynamics. that being said, all cops are human, and things we say among ourselves stay among ourselves. and we have plenty to say to each other about creatures like couey. thing is, we're sworn so can't act upon some of our normal human feelings. when we're at the jail for example, we cannot even discuss an inmate's case with him/her.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:33 am

I'm so glad it's you out there and not me. I'd want to walk dirtbags like Couey to his court dates with a bull's eye painted on his back...I'm so NOT cop material...But I'm glad you are!!

robinseggs · Post by **robinseggs** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:17 pm

Just wanted to share something with all......don't know if this is true, but heard that little Jessica had recently professed to her church that she had been "saved" by Jesus Christ. As a Christion I know this means that she had made a comittment to love and honor God and that spiritually she was "walking with Christ." If it is true, I find this very touching....if it was bogus info, well at the very least I am comforted in knowing that this little girl did attend church. One of my favorite hymns is "On Eagle's Wings" and thought I would share the chorus part of the song with all.........

"And He will raise you up on Eagle's Wings,

Bear you on the breath of dawn,

Make you to shine like the sun....

And hold you in the palm of His hand..."

You can go to this site to hear the music and see rest of lyrics...it's really beautiful.....

http://my.homewithgod.com/heavenlymidis ... wings.html

Beth · Post by **Beth** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:50 pm

Well, I hope her family is able to find some sort of comfort.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:34 pm

it has come out that couey had worked for five months doing construction at Jessica's school, and did have contact with students. so the convicted child molester was able to work at a school.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:47 pm

lady cop wrote: it has come out that couey had worked for five months doing construction at Jessica's school, and did have contact with students. so the convicted child molester was able to work at a school.

I'll tell you what. If my child attended the school where he was working, the school board would have some MAJOR questions to answer.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:50 pm

LADYCOP,

Once again someone wasn't doing their job. Don't they run background check on all people working at schools. I know they do here. All construction worker are checked, and can't be on the ground working during school hours. have to work at night or weekends.. some one screwed up obviously.. :-5

Originally Posted by lady cop

it has come out that couey had worked for five months doing construction at Jessica's school, and did have contact with students. so the convicted child molester was able to work at a school.

robinseggs · Post by **robinseggs** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:55 pm

CARLA wrote: LADYCOP,

Once again someone wasn't doing their job. Don't they run background check on all people working at schools. I know they do here. All construction worker are checked, and can't be on the ground working during school hours. have to work at night or weekends.. some one screwed up obviously.. :-5

As far as I am concerned, these child predators have no business being allowed on a school's property at ANY TIME. Not evenings, not wkends...not ever! I used to be a teacher and I can tell you that in and all around elementary schools, pictures of the students can often be found including access to phone #s, addresses and anything else some looney might want to know about a student. It is unfortunate, but the truth. I was at my son's school tonight for conferences, and the whole library is adorned with "all about me" posters of the children. Hundreds of pictures of smiling little faces, some with stories about where they live or where they like to go........I believe it is a school's responsibility to make sure each and every worker has been backround checked. So sad to hear that this crackpot Couey worked at little Jessica's school...

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:09 pm

TMBSGRL! you never made me "mad"! :yh_flower :-4 and i knew that as a thinking person you would decide for yourself about scooter, given the information. ... the thing about couey, it may seem nonsensical, but under the law here he was a sex offender, not a predator, there's a legal difference. so he was registered (or required to register) as an offender, not a pedophile. and someone correctly made the point that it could have been some day labor construction company, people show up at 0500 and take work for the day. no background checks required. it is commonly a means for transients to make a few bucks. in florida we now force people to serve 85% of their sentences...when couey was sentenced to ten years in the past, he only served two. i am very glad for this change in our law.

legaleagle · Post by **legaleagle** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:45 pm

CARLA wrote: Yes Couey kept Jessica alive for several days. :-1 This poor child.

This abduction and death of Jessica reminds me more and more of the DANIELLE VANDAM case out here in San Diego. Pretty much the same MO. Got her out of the house somehow. Had her in his RV for several days.. Dumped her body on a lonely road. Attempted to bleach his entire RV to cover his tracks.

ALL I WANT FROM MR. COUEY IS HOW DID HE GET IN THE HOUSE. HOW DID HE AVOID BEING NOTICED WITH HER FOR TWO DAYS. ??? :-5 WE NEED TO KNOW HOW THEY DO IT... WE ARE MISSING SOMEHTING IN THE FIRST 24 HOURS OF SEARCHING... THE DOGS MISSED HER SCENT.. SHE WAS IN THAT HOUSE.. OR MAYBE NOT.. MAYBE IN THE TRUNK OF THE CAR...???

If I remember correctly the Sherriff said they went into that trailer the first day.

Alot of things still do not add up here. If Couey kept the girl alive, she must have been in that trailer and the other occupants had to know he had her there. I don't understand why they haven't been charged as accessories or worse - could they have been part of the entire deal? They were all apparently on heavy drugs.

Couey has been labeled a big time child sex offender and everyone is looking to blame the authorities for not being on top of him. The rap sheet does not seem to suggest that. He is a big time burglar but does not seem to have a history here of being a serial child molester. So I don't think you can blame the system for not keeping him under lock and key as a child molester.

What he and his friends are are people with big time drug problems. Remember the commercial about "here's your brain on drugs" with the eggs in the frying pan,

Couey is one of those eggs in the frying pan and the other residents of that trailer are likely the others. I am wondering if he really did act alone in this. They have all reduced themselves to scum through drug use.

A number of messages related to a big drug problem in that area with groups meeting out in the woods doing big time drugs. If you look at a lot of the big time crimes committed, we see the thread of drug use (I'm not talking about smoking pot either - the heavy duty hallucinagentics always seem to be in the mix - meth heads etc...)

If you've seen the photos of Couey - he looks about 75 not 45 years old. He's obviously destroyed himself physically though drug abuse. It's easy to just label him a child molester and not address the root problem of the evil of drug addiction in this country. He could have just as easily killed a cop, beaten a postal worker, run down an old woman and we might never have given it much thought. In this case, Couey struck a nerve in all of us because the victim was an innocent little kid.

I'm not saying that Couey deserves any lenient consideration at all beacuse of this. What he did is unconscionable but the problem is deeper than just that he is a child molester.

What I fear most is that the drug problem is going to get worse as the middle class in this country continues to shrink and the underclass grows which is what is happening in this country. Drugs and poverty are common bedfellows.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:55 pm

I would LOVE to start a drug thread. i wonder if anyone would be interested?

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:59 pm

legaleagle wrote:

Couey has been labeled a big time child sex offender and everyone is looking to blame the authorities for not being on top of him. The rap sheet does not seem to suggest that. He is a big time burglar but does not seem to have a history here of being a serial child molester. So I don't think you can blame the system for not keeping him under lock and key as a child molester.there were two other instances where he was charged with crimes of child molestation. i'm not sure how you can say he didn't have a history.

What he and his friends are are people with big time drug problems. Remember the commercial about "here's your brain on drugs" with the eggs in the frying pan,

Couey is one of those eggs in the frying pan and the other residents of that trailer are likely the others. I am wondering if he really did act alone in this. They have all reduced themselves to scum through drug use.
and just like the whole vilification of violent movies, and violent video games, millions and millions of people partake of them, and NEVER ONCE harm another innocent human being. so, because this loser was taking drugs, it was a drug problem, rather than his being inherently scum? bullpucky. guess what? i've taken more drugs than you can possibly imagine (in volume and number). even in the most altered of states, the notion, the concept, of harming someone else simply never obtained. it takes a ****ed-up person to do what he did, drugs or not. oh, he'll probably use the drugs as some sort of 'mitigating circumstance', he had 'diminished capacity'. what a load of crap.

A number of messages related to a big drug problem in that area with groups meeting out in the woods doing big time drugs. If you look at a lot of the big time crimes committed, we see the thread of drug use (I'm not talking about smoking pot either - the heavy duty hallucinagentics always seem to be in the mix - meth heads etc...)
and for how many years had people been doing these 'big time' drugs, without a child being kidnapped, raped, and murdered?

If you've seen the photos of Couey - he looks about 75 not 45 years old. He's obviously destroyed himself physically though drug abuse. It's easy to just label him a child molester and not address the root problem of the evil of drug addiction in this country. He could have just as easily killed a cop, beaten a postal worker, run down an old woman and we might never have given it much thought. In this case, Couey struck a nerve in all of us because the victim was an innocent little kid.
blaming the drug addiction is just that - find blame in an external agency, not the person culpable. i've known a few addicts. they never killed anyone. most addicts never kill anyone. besides themselves.

I'm not saying that Couey deserves any lenient consideration at all beacuse of this. What he did is unconscionable but the problem is deeper than just that he is a child molester.
yes, the problem is deeper than just that he is a child molester: he is a kidnapper, rapist, and murderer. i hope he rots in prison, along with his teeth.

What I fear most is that the drug problem is going to get worse as the middle class in this country continues to shrink and the underclass grows which is what is happening in this country. Drugs and poverty are common bedfellows.
phooey. cite some stats. drug use among affluent, white, suburban teens is pervasive.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:06 pm

Anastrophe, some defense person WILL try to cite the drug use as a mitigator to reduce this from first degree to second.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:09 pm

lady cop wrote: Anastrophe, some defense person WILL try to cite the drug use as a mitigator to reduce this from first degree to second.
sure. part of the game. frankly, i have no problem with the defense doing so - it's their job, they have a civil obligation to defend the scum by any means necessary. all i hope for is a jury with reasonably well-tempered credulity.

Post by **kensloft** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:50 pm

lady cop wrote: I would LOVE to start a drug thread. i wonder if anyone would be interested?
No. Not drugs?

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:58 pm

kensloft wrote: No. Not drugs?specifically crack cocaine. hey, i grew up in the 60's and smoked a whole plantation of ganga...my concern today is the fact that i perceive crack to be the proximate cause of 85% of the crime i see.

anastrophe · Post by **anastrophe** » Wed Mar 23, 2005 12:14 am

lady cop wrote: specifically crack cocaine. hey, i grew up in the 60's and smoked a whole plantation of ganga...my concern today is the fact that i perceive crack to be the proximate cause of 85% of the crime i see.
only because it's illegal.

but there's that bugaboo that this is the jessica lunsford topic, and any more said about this and we've hijacked the thread....