Britain seems to have come full circle.
It started out as an island populated with various pagan peoples. Then come the cistercian monks who christianized the whole place. Benedictine orders of Roman Catholicism. Then comes one of the bloodiest periods in christian history......the reformation. The blood letting between the protestants and catholics in the british isles and Ireland is breathtaking.
Fast forward to today. Even though it seems to be localized in Ireland at the moment, Britain, for the most part, is totally secular. Although the 'official' religion of Britain is Anglican, they are for the most part a non-religious people. Most dont go to church. There is a saying here, that you only go to a church for weddings and funerals.
I'm talking about a place who beheaded a King, and fought a civil war, all because of passionately held beliefs over religion.
Is it possible that the result of all that bloodletting, result in basically beating the religion out of the psyche of an entire people?
Is this possible?
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Raven wrote: Britain seems to have come full circle.
It started out as an island populated with various pagan peoples. Then come the cistercian monks who christianized the whole place. Benedictine orders of Roman Catholicism. Then comes one of the bloodiest periods in christian history......the reformation. The blood letting between the protestants and catholics in the british isles and Ireland is breathtaking.
Fast forward to today. Even though it seems to be localized in Ireland at the moment, Britain, for the most part, is totally secular. Although the 'official' religion of Britain is Anglican, they are for the most part a non-religious people. Most dont go to church. There is a saying here, that you only go to a church for weddings and funerals.
I'm talking about a place who beheaded a King, and fought a civil war, all because of passionately held beliefs over religion.
Is it possible that the result of all that bloodletting, result in basically beating the religion out of the psyche of an entire people?
Is this possible?
We are seeing the same thing happen here in the United States. This country rose to greatness on Christian values and now it is turning its back on its roots. Israel did the same thing over and over again. God would send judges to get them back on track again, then they would slip into self reliance, pride and finally disarray again. We never seem to learn.
It started out as an island populated with various pagan peoples. Then come the cistercian monks who christianized the whole place. Benedictine orders of Roman Catholicism. Then comes one of the bloodiest periods in christian history......the reformation. The blood letting between the protestants and catholics in the british isles and Ireland is breathtaking.
Fast forward to today. Even though it seems to be localized in Ireland at the moment, Britain, for the most part, is totally secular. Although the 'official' religion of Britain is Anglican, they are for the most part a non-religious people. Most dont go to church. There is a saying here, that you only go to a church for weddings and funerals.
I'm talking about a place who beheaded a King, and fought a civil war, all because of passionately held beliefs over religion.
Is it possible that the result of all that bloodletting, result in basically beating the religion out of the psyche of an entire people?
Is this possible?
We are seeing the same thing happen here in the United States. This country rose to greatness on Christian values and now it is turning its back on its roots. Israel did the same thing over and over again. God would send judges to get them back on track again, then they would slip into self reliance, pride and finally disarray again. We never seem to learn.
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Clint wrote: We are seeing the same thing happen here in the United States. This country rose to greatness on Christian values and now it is turning its back on its roots. Israel did the same thing over and over again. God would send judges to get them back on track again, then they would slip into self reliance, pride and finally disarray again. We never seem to learn.
Clint,
Would you say that about the U.S.? I have been reading several reports that more and more people are going to church again. There is an awakened spirit.
These same reports do confirm what Raven posted - that the UK is becoming more secular - with a capital S.
Clint,
Would you say that about the U.S.? I have been reading several reports that more and more people are going to church again. There is an awakened spirit.
These same reports do confirm what Raven posted - that the UK is becoming more secular - with a capital S.
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Tombstone wrote: Clint,
Would you say that about the U.S.? I have been reading several reports that more and more people are going to church again. There is an awakened spirit.
These same reports do confirm what Raven posted - that the UK is becoming more secular - with a capital S.
People may be going back to church but the divorce rate for church goers is the same as the rest. Many churches are becoming more secular, trying to keep the doors open by pandering to the pews.
Would you say that about the U.S.? I have been reading several reports that more and more people are going to church again. There is an awakened spirit.
These same reports do confirm what Raven posted - that the UK is becoming more secular - with a capital S.
People may be going back to church but the divorce rate for church goers is the same as the rest. Many churches are becoming more secular, trying to keep the doors open by pandering to the pews.
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According to articles in Time, Newsweek & U.S. News in the past year, the growth in the Evangelicals is huge, and growing.
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Lon wrote: According to articles in Time, Newsweek & U.S. News in the past year, the growth in the Evangelicals is huge, and growing.
Raven is concerned that religion is being beat out of the psyche of the people. My concern is that even evangelical growth in terms of attendance hasn’t reduced moral decline and isn't proof that the human psyche is more responsive to the will of God. I don’t mean to be negative. I’m delighted that evangelical numbers are up. I just think there is more to this than attendance. The sad truth is that many evangelical congregations have become masters at entertainment.
Raven is concerned that religion is being beat out of the psyche of the people. My concern is that even evangelical growth in terms of attendance hasn’t reduced moral decline and isn't proof that the human psyche is more responsive to the will of God. I don’t mean to be negative. I’m delighted that evangelical numbers are up. I just think there is more to this than attendance. The sad truth is that many evangelical congregations have become masters at entertainment.
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Clint wrote: Raven is concerned that religion is being beat out of the psyche of the people. My concern is that even evangelical growth in terms of attendance hasn’t reduced moral decline and isn't proof that the human psyche is more responsive to the will of God. I don’t mean to be negative. I’m delighted that evangelical numbers are up. I just think there is more to this than attendance. The sad truth is that many evangelical congregations have become masters at entertainment.
Couldn"t the non-believers (like me) and the non-affiliated be responsible for this Moral Decline? How do you know that it is relgiously affiliated folk exclusively?
Masters of Entertainment by the Evangelicals? Do you mean like having basketball teams, soccer teams, baby sitting facilities and all these other activities to bring in the young families. Yep, I guess what is needed is the OLD TIME RELIGION. Just believe in the word, sit on those hard pews for two hours of a Sunday AM and listen to the preach go at it. Amen!!!
With all due respect Clint, aren't you showing a wee bit of intolerance by your dig at the Evangelicals?
Couldn"t the non-believers (like me) and the non-affiliated be responsible for this Moral Decline? How do you know that it is relgiously affiliated folk exclusively?
Masters of Entertainment by the Evangelicals? Do you mean like having basketball teams, soccer teams, baby sitting facilities and all these other activities to bring in the young families. Yep, I guess what is needed is the OLD TIME RELIGION. Just believe in the word, sit on those hard pews for two hours of a Sunday AM and listen to the preach go at it. Amen!!!
With all due respect Clint, aren't you showing a wee bit of intolerance by your dig at the Evangelicals?
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Lon wrote: Couldn"t the non-believers (like me) and the non-affiliated be responsible for this Moral Decline? How do you know that it is relgiously affiliated folk exclusively?
Masters of Entertainment by the Evangelicals? Do you mean like having basketball teams, soccer teams, baby sitting facilities and all these other activities to bring in the young families. Yep, I guess what is needed is the OLD TIME RELIGION. Just believe in the word, sit on those hard pews for two hours of a Sunday AM and listen to the preach go at it. Amen!!!
With all due respect Clint, aren't you showing a wee bit of intolerance by your dig at the Evangelicals?
I am pleased that there is an increase in Evangelical church attendance. I consider those people to be my brothers and sisters in Christ. I am concerned that too often the church is following secular movements rather than leading. They have adopted secular music styles, taken on feel good philosophies and promoted attendance with free coffee and donuts.
Christ came to demonstrate love through sacrifice and we demonstrate it today with emphasis on good feelings and convenient worship styles.
It’s a good thing that hard pews have been replaced with soft chairs and a two hour sermon doesn’t make sense to me given the length of time people can actually pay attention
No offense taken. Intolerance is not an immoral act. Jesus wasn't tolerant of a lot of things.
Masters of Entertainment by the Evangelicals? Do you mean like having basketball teams, soccer teams, baby sitting facilities and all these other activities to bring in the young families. Yep, I guess what is needed is the OLD TIME RELIGION. Just believe in the word, sit on those hard pews for two hours of a Sunday AM and listen to the preach go at it. Amen!!!
With all due respect Clint, aren't you showing a wee bit of intolerance by your dig at the Evangelicals?
I am pleased that there is an increase in Evangelical church attendance. I consider those people to be my brothers and sisters in Christ. I am concerned that too often the church is following secular movements rather than leading. They have adopted secular music styles, taken on feel good philosophies and promoted attendance with free coffee and donuts.
Christ came to demonstrate love through sacrifice and we demonstrate it today with emphasis on good feelings and convenient worship styles.
It’s a good thing that hard pews have been replaced with soft chairs and a two hour sermon doesn’t make sense to me given the length of time people can actually pay attention
No offense taken. Intolerance is not an immoral act. Jesus wasn't tolerant of a lot of things.
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Raven I suspect that our well known scepticism for those in authority would also be a contributing factor.
Certainly as far as the Catholic church goes the latest well publicised abuse cases will have dented their figures.
Most people I talk to just don't see the relevance, what right has some guy in a funny cloak got to tell us how to lead our lives. Also (and I know creationists will jump on this) as science advances we get more cynical against the unwavering beliefs some religions espouse, i.e. the creation.
When I look at the most recent conflicts they all have religious overtones :
Iraq = Christian v Muslim
Balkans = Muslim v Christian v Orthodox
Middle East = Muslim v Christian v phalangist
etc etc
bear in mind that I am sure all these religions would claim they are peace loving.
I belive that there is a higher being, if only to think that there may be some purpose to our exsistence but I do not need to get dressed up on a Sunday to communicate with this being or let other people see me do it.
Certainly as far as the Catholic church goes the latest well publicised abuse cases will have dented their figures.
Most people I talk to just don't see the relevance, what right has some guy in a funny cloak got to tell us how to lead our lives. Also (and I know creationists will jump on this) as science advances we get more cynical against the unwavering beliefs some religions espouse, i.e. the creation.
When I look at the most recent conflicts they all have religious overtones :
Iraq = Christian v Muslim
Balkans = Muslim v Christian v Orthodox
Middle East = Muslim v Christian v phalangist
etc etc
bear in mind that I am sure all these religions would claim they are peace loving.
I belive that there is a higher being, if only to think that there may be some purpose to our exsistence but I do not need to get dressed up on a Sunday to communicate with this being or let other people see me do it.
"I have done my duty. I thank God for it!"
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I would love to move to England, get away from all the godbotherers who think they have a right to butt into my life. Way to go Britain!
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Clint wrote: We are seeing the same thing happen here in the United States. This country rose to greatness on Christian values and now it is turning its back on its roots. Israel did the same thing over and over again. God would send judges to get them back on track again, then they would slip into self reliance, pride and finally disarray again. We never seem to learn.
The similarities with Israel are staggering! Seems like the saints have been 'overcome'. Look for instance at the great martyrs like Tyndale. For commiting the heresy of DARING to translate the bible into english, just so everyone who could read, got a chance to! What did he die for? All the innocents under Mary Tudor. Or the spanish inquisition? Even further back to the first christians who burned as torches for the entertainment of Nero. For what was their lives required? The scorn and mocking of the watered down church of today? This lukewarm faith of today is not why they died. What did they have, that we dont? How would most christians today react if their lives were truly at risk for the faith? Look at the gruesome way these people were murdered! Burnt alive at the stake, during the reformation years, skinned alive and torched during the early years. These people would rather forfeit their meager lives, than to give in to tyranny and compromise. I guess we were well and truly told about "patience of the saints". Will our faith hold out against such a storm?
The similarities with Israel are staggering! Seems like the saints have been 'overcome'. Look for instance at the great martyrs like Tyndale. For commiting the heresy of DARING to translate the bible into english, just so everyone who could read, got a chance to! What did he die for? All the innocents under Mary Tudor. Or the spanish inquisition? Even further back to the first christians who burned as torches for the entertainment of Nero. For what was their lives required? The scorn and mocking of the watered down church of today? This lukewarm faith of today is not why they died. What did they have, that we dont? How would most christians today react if their lives were truly at risk for the faith? Look at the gruesome way these people were murdered! Burnt alive at the stake, during the reformation years, skinned alive and torched during the early years. These people would rather forfeit their meager lives, than to give in to tyranny and compromise. I guess we were well and truly told about "patience of the saints". Will our faith hold out against such a storm?
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Bothwell wrote: Raven I suspect that our well known scepticism for those in authority would also be a contributing factor.
Certainly as far as the Catholic church goes the latest well publicised abuse cases will have dented their figures.
Most people I talk to just don't see the relevance, what right has some guy in a funny cloak got to tell us how to lead our lives. Also (and I know creationists will jump on this) as science advances we get more cynical against the unwavering beliefs some religions espouse, i.e. the creation.
When I look at the most recent conflicts they all have religious overtones :
Iraq = Christian v Muslim
Balkans = Muslim v Christian v Orthodox
Middle East = Muslim v Christian v phalangist
etc etc
bear in mind that I am sure all these religions would claim they are peace loving.
I belive that there is a higher being, if only to think that there may be some purpose to our exsistence but I do not need to get dressed up on a Sunday to communicate with this being or let other people see me do it.
I'll bet you a dollar to a donut, Oliver Cromwell is WRITHING in his grave! :wah:
Where are the Thomas Becketts when you need them? What did the Kings of England go on crusade for? King James gave us an 'authorized' non-catholic version of the bible that is still beloved today! Catholics and Protestants alike have consecrated this island red with the blood they offered upon the altar of faith! They didnt die so england could turn out like this! They gave their lives, so that God could be worshiped freely without fear in their own land, and that the bible was available to any who cared to read it! What other book can claim so many martyrs? And now look at the place! Faith is a dirty f word! Why does christianity only seem to thrive when it's under persecution?
Certainly as far as the Catholic church goes the latest well publicised abuse cases will have dented their figures.
Most people I talk to just don't see the relevance, what right has some guy in a funny cloak got to tell us how to lead our lives. Also (and I know creationists will jump on this) as science advances we get more cynical against the unwavering beliefs some religions espouse, i.e. the creation.
When I look at the most recent conflicts they all have religious overtones :
Iraq = Christian v Muslim
Balkans = Muslim v Christian v Orthodox
Middle East = Muslim v Christian v phalangist
etc etc
bear in mind that I am sure all these religions would claim they are peace loving.
I belive that there is a higher being, if only to think that there may be some purpose to our exsistence but I do not need to get dressed up on a Sunday to communicate with this being or let other people see me do it.
I'll bet you a dollar to a donut, Oliver Cromwell is WRITHING in his grave! :wah:
Where are the Thomas Becketts when you need them? What did the Kings of England go on crusade for? King James gave us an 'authorized' non-catholic version of the bible that is still beloved today! Catholics and Protestants alike have consecrated this island red with the blood they offered upon the altar of faith! They didnt die so england could turn out like this! They gave their lives, so that God could be worshiped freely without fear in their own land, and that the bible was available to any who cared to read it! What other book can claim so many martyrs? And now look at the place! Faith is a dirty f word! Why does christianity only seem to thrive when it's under persecution?
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Raven wrote: The similarities with Israel are staggering!
This is funny. I suppose it is. We conquered a land and raped and pillaged a people all under the name of a vicious but righteous god. The Israellites, if the OT is correct, murdered and raped the innocent, even babies all in the name of a vicious but righteous god.
Seems like the saints have been 'overcome'.
Hopefully, it is in all actuallity that the 'saints' have become less bigoted and have evolved into a more civilized people.
Look for instance at the great martyrs like Tyndale. For commiting the heresy of DARING to translate the bible into english, just so everyone who could read, got a chance to! What did he die for?
Good question. Mayhaps simply a belief. Many people are willing to die for their beliefs. It does not make them correct.
All the innocents under Mary Tudor. Or the spanish inquisition? Even further back to the first christians who burned as torches for the entertainment of Nero. For what was their lives required? The scorn and mocking of the watered down church of today?Groan.
This lukewarm faith of today is not why they died.
No, that is correct. People were zealots. People were superstitious and did not have rights. Religious leaders gained power and trampled the people via interpretations of scripture.
What did they have, that we dont?
Less freedom, greater ignorance, and I would say greater superstition, but I think there are many sects who are still irrationally superstitious.
How would most christians today react if their lives were truly at risk for the faith?
They still are in many places. So are Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists- to name a few. Luckily, in this country, we have a secular government that guarantees the free expression of religion.
Look at the gruesome way these people were murdered! Burnt alive at the stake, during the reformation years, skinned alive and torched during the early years. These people would rather forfeit their meager lives, than to give in to tyranny and compromise. I guess we were well and truly told about "patience of the saints". Will our faith hold out against such a storm?
And you don't see a problem with having religion ruling a nation?
This is funny. I suppose it is. We conquered a land and raped and pillaged a people all under the name of a vicious but righteous god. The Israellites, if the OT is correct, murdered and raped the innocent, even babies all in the name of a vicious but righteous god.
Seems like the saints have been 'overcome'.
Hopefully, it is in all actuallity that the 'saints' have become less bigoted and have evolved into a more civilized people.
Look for instance at the great martyrs like Tyndale. For commiting the heresy of DARING to translate the bible into english, just so everyone who could read, got a chance to! What did he die for?
Good question. Mayhaps simply a belief. Many people are willing to die for their beliefs. It does not make them correct.
All the innocents under Mary Tudor. Or the spanish inquisition? Even further back to the first christians who burned as torches for the entertainment of Nero. For what was their lives required? The scorn and mocking of the watered down church of today?Groan.
This lukewarm faith of today is not why they died.
No, that is correct. People were zealots. People were superstitious and did not have rights. Religious leaders gained power and trampled the people via interpretations of scripture.
What did they have, that we dont?
Less freedom, greater ignorance, and I would say greater superstition, but I think there are many sects who are still irrationally superstitious.
How would most christians today react if their lives were truly at risk for the faith?
They still are in many places. So are Muslims, Hindus, and Buddhists- to name a few. Luckily, in this country, we have a secular government that guarantees the free expression of religion.
Look at the gruesome way these people were murdered! Burnt alive at the stake, during the reformation years, skinned alive and torched during the early years. These people would rather forfeit their meager lives, than to give in to tyranny and compromise. I guess we were well and truly told about "patience of the saints". Will our faith hold out against such a storm?
And you don't see a problem with having religion ruling a nation?
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I think 'religion' in any of it's forms, is pure bollocks.
Religion is where Israel went wrong, and it's where christianity and islam are both going wrong today.
A good example of this is Afghanistan and Iran.
I'm a firm believer in freedom of religion. I think a person should have the right to seek God or not, in the manner in which best suits his conscience.
Religion is whats wrong with N. Ireland.
God gave mankind free will. Governments of man should do the same.
Religion is where Israel went wrong, and it's where christianity and islam are both going wrong today.
A good example of this is Afghanistan and Iran.
I'm a firm believer in freedom of religion. I think a person should have the right to seek God or not, in the manner in which best suits his conscience.
Religion is whats wrong with N. Ireland.
God gave mankind free will. Governments of man should do the same.
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Raven wrote: I think 'religion' in any of it's forms, is pure bollocks.
Religion is where Israel went wrong, and it's where christianity and islam are both going wrong today.
A good example of this is Afghanistan and Iran.
I'm a firm believer in freedom of religion. I think a person should have the right to seek God or not, in the manner in which best suits his conscience.
Religion is whats wrong with N. Ireland.
God gave mankind free will. Governments of man should do the same.Then why the outrage, honestly? Those martyrs you mentioned were either poor victims of religious politics or religious zealots who sought change and taught a different ideology, or perhaps the enlightenment and education of the opressed.
Religion is where Israel went wrong, and it's where christianity and islam are both going wrong today.
A good example of this is Afghanistan and Iran.
I'm a firm believer in freedom of religion. I think a person should have the right to seek God or not, in the manner in which best suits his conscience.
Religion is whats wrong with N. Ireland.
God gave mankind free will. Governments of man should do the same.Then why the outrage, honestly? Those martyrs you mentioned were either poor victims of religious politics or religious zealots who sought change and taught a different ideology, or perhaps the enlightenment and education of the opressed.
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Let's look at a few of the reformers. Martin Luther was highly anti-semitic. He even used the inquisition to get rid of some of his opposition. "A History of Chritianity" by P Johnston.
Calvin also made use of the inquistion to get rid of his opposition. Nice guys eh.
The following in an excellent site with some good but short articles on some of the above mentioned problems.http://www.matthewfox.org/sys-tmpl/rece ... atthewfox/
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Calvin also made use of the inquistion to get rid of his opposition. Nice guys eh.
The following in an excellent site with some good but short articles on some of the above mentioned problems.http://www.matthewfox.org/sys-tmpl/rece ... atthewfox/
Shalom
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Beth wrote: Then why the outrage, honestly? Those martyrs you mentioned were either poor victims of religious politics or religious zealots who sought change and taught a different ideology, or perhaps the enlightenment and education of the opressed.
Because I believe every life has merit. Noone is here by accident. When someone takes anothers life because he believes in something contrary to popular opinion, well thats just wrong!
By the standard of today, those people died for nothing. I'm not outraged, I'm perplexed. To see where you are going, you have to know where you've been.
Because I believe every life has merit. Noone is here by accident. When someone takes anothers life because he believes in something contrary to popular opinion, well thats just wrong!
By the standard of today, those people died for nothing. I'm not outraged, I'm perplexed. To see where you are going, you have to know where you've been.
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
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Ted wrote: Let's look at a few of the reformers. Martin Luther was highly anti-semitic. He even used the inquisition to get rid of some of his opposition. "A History of Chritianity" by P Johnston.
Calvin also made use of the inquistion to get rid of his opposition. Nice guys eh.
The following in an excellent site with some good but short articles on some of the above mentioned problems.http://www.matthewfox.org/sys-tmpl/rece ... atthewfox/
Shalom
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Noone is perfect Ted. Even though Martin Luther was anti -semitic, he did much for exposing the fallacies of the catholic church, who thought it was so infallable. Man still hasnt learned, that it isnt up to him, to bring about the kingdom of Heaven on earth.
And even Martin Luther suffered for his beliefs. But seeing as they were a part of the problem and not it's solution, those werent the people I was talking about.
Calvin also made use of the inquistion to get rid of his opposition. Nice guys eh.
The following in an excellent site with some good but short articles on some of the above mentioned problems.http://www.matthewfox.org/sys-tmpl/rece ... atthewfox/
Shalom
Ted :-6
Noone is perfect Ted. Even though Martin Luther was anti -semitic, he did much for exposing the fallacies of the catholic church, who thought it was so infallable. Man still hasnt learned, that it isnt up to him, to bring about the kingdom of Heaven on earth.
And even Martin Luther suffered for his beliefs. But seeing as they were a part of the problem and not it's solution, those werent the people I was talking about.
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
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slushpuppy wrote: You are right Raven, Britain has become a secularised nation. In a recent poll of 10,000 people from 10 countries, Britain was found to be among the most godless with the lowest level of religious beliefs and activities. (The Times, London.) However, this doesn't mean that we are no longer religious. No, we now worship at the altar of Money, Celebrity and Sport! :rolleyes:
Who knows? maybe it's just a cycle in Britains life, where the pendulum has swung to the opposite extreme. :-3
Who knows? maybe it's just a cycle in Britains life, where the pendulum has swung to the opposite extreme. :-3
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Raven wrote: Because I believe every life has merit. Noone is here by accident. When someone takes anothers life because he believes in something contrary to popular opinion, well thats just wrong!
By the standard of today, those people died for nothing. I'm not outraged, I'm perplexed. To see where you are going, you have to know where you've been.They did not die for nothing. They died for their ideals and beliefs. Maybe Britain does know from whence it came and maybe the majority thinks that
it no longer wants part of that past.
By the standard of today, those people died for nothing. I'm not outraged, I'm perplexed. To see where you are going, you have to know where you've been.They did not die for nothing. They died for their ideals and beliefs. Maybe Britain does know from whence it came and maybe the majority thinks that
it no longer wants part of that past.
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All this while I thought that the Brits were just trying to escape the Sunday morning collection plate at church.
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Some people here are really into Religion. The Catholic and Protestant churches are crying out for new vocations to the priesthood ect.
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capt_buzzard wrote: Some people here are really into Religion. The Catholic and Protestant churches are crying out for new vocations to the priesthood ect.
The churches may be crying out, but noone is listening anymore. Now if Ireland were to put out a general call for a new football team, THEN you would see an incredible response!
The churches may be crying out, but noone is listening anymore. Now if Ireland were to put out a general call for a new football team, THEN you would see an incredible response!
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~