What do you all think of this story? Life sentence for a 12 year old? Also, note the irony in the law: They can't release the kid's name because he's still a child but they can sentence him to life in prison. Very interesting.
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A 12-year-old boy has been detained for life by a judge at Teesside Crown Court for raping his teacher at a special needs centre.
The schoolboy, who is one of Britain's youngest convicted rapists, attacked the woman as she sat next to him during a one-to-one teaching session.
Afterwards, he stole her car and drove it for 30 miles before dumping it.
The stocky youngster, who is just 5ft 3in tall and has severe learning difficulties, admitted at an earlier hearing raping the teacher at the centre in County Durham in November last year, and the theft of her car.
At Teesside Crown Court, Mr Justice Grigson ordered the teenager, who cannot be named for legal reasons, be detained for life.
Sentencing the cropped-haired boy, the judge said: "These problems are not of your own making but it is plain that until these problems are dealt with you are very likely to commit other offences, other offences as serious as this, so the public has to be properly protected until such time as your problems have been assisted."
John Evans, defending, said his client had been the victim of sexual and physical abuse from a very young age.
"By January 1995, when he could have only have been three-and-a-half-years-old barely, concerns were being expressed about his sexualised behaviour," he said.
"Even at that age his GP expressed concern that he was under the influence of illicit substances.
"By 1995, when this boy could not yet have been four, he was being mistreated and indeed encouraged to engage in misuse of alcohol and cigarettes."
From: http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,3 ... 10,00.html
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Read this story today in the Daily Mirror & reading just what sort of upbringing the boy had its no surprise, he was like a firework ready to explode.
Maybe his name was'nt released so that the teacher was afforded anonymity, it would have been easy for people to realise who she was if she had been schooling him on a one to one basis.
Maybe his name was'nt released so that the teacher was afforded anonymity, it would have been easy for people to realise who she was if she had been schooling him on a one to one basis.
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Sounds to me like he needs to be in mental facilities. Why is it justice to punish a young boy for the wrongs he was done as a child? He needs to be reparented. That is not going to happen in a jail. 
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koan wrote: Sounds to me like he needs to be in mental facilities. Why is it justice to punish a young boy for the wrongs he was done as a child? He needs to be reparented. That is not going to happen in a jail.
You can count onthe powers that be to make sure tht they will give him room and board while they let him rot in jail. Maybe he'll become a good crook and earn his own way in the system.
You can count onthe powers that be to make sure tht they will give him room and board while they let him rot in jail. Maybe he'll become a good crook and earn his own way in the system.
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koan wrote: Sounds to me like he needs to be in mental facilities. Why is it justice to punish a young boy for the wrongs he was done as a child? He needs to be reparented. That is not going to happen in a jail.
and who will protect other innocent people from him while he's being warmly reparented?
it is not justice to punish the boy for wrongs done to him as a child. it is justice to keep him the hell away from the rest of society until such time as he no longer poses a threat. how he gets to that end point really doesn't concern me. so long as he never sees freedom until that time.
and who will protect other innocent people from him while he's being warmly reparented?
it is not justice to punish the boy for wrongs done to him as a child. it is justice to keep him the hell away from the rest of society until such time as he no longer poses a threat. how he gets to that end point really doesn't concern me. so long as he never sees freedom until that time.
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kensloft wrote: You can count onthe powers that be to make sure tht they will give him room and board while they let him rot in jail. Maybe he'll become a good crook and earn his own way in the system.
he's already a rapist. what the **** more of a 'crook' do you want? it's a terrific, and terrible shame this kid is this screwed up. but screwed up he is, and a very dangerous menace to the people at large if he is not segregated from the rest of society *until such time as he is no longer a threat*.
how would you feel if this rapist were living next door to you, while a nice couple tried to 'reparent' him? i think you'd start locking your doors if you don't already.
he's already a rapist. what the **** more of a 'crook' do you want? it's a terrific, and terrible shame this kid is this screwed up. but screwed up he is, and a very dangerous menace to the people at large if he is not segregated from the rest of society *until such time as he is no longer a threat*.
how would you feel if this rapist were living next door to you, while a nice couple tried to 'reparent' him? i think you'd start locking your doors if you don't already.
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anastrophe wrote: and who will protect other innocent people from him while he's being warmly reparented?
it is not justice to punish the boy for wrongs done to him as a child. it is justice to keep him the hell away from the rest of society until such time as he no longer poses a threat. how he gets to that end point really doesn't concern me. so long as he never sees freedom until that time.
I've seen the mental institutes. Even the "mild" ones are not warm and fuzzy. They have institutes for the criminally insane. He may not be insane but most definately disturbed. They established that he was sexually abused from at least the age of three. This outrages me that he would go to prison where he will not have his abuse healed. In a mental institute he doesn't get out until the doctors say he is safe. It took me two months to get a girl out who wasn't even crazy! In jail he gets abused more until he makes parole and here he comes, back into society...even more disturbed.
it is not justice to punish the boy for wrongs done to him as a child. it is justice to keep him the hell away from the rest of society until such time as he no longer poses a threat. how he gets to that end point really doesn't concern me. so long as he never sees freedom until that time.
I've seen the mental institutes. Even the "mild" ones are not warm and fuzzy. They have institutes for the criminally insane. He may not be insane but most definately disturbed. They established that he was sexually abused from at least the age of three. This outrages me that he would go to prison where he will not have his abuse healed. In a mental institute he doesn't get out until the doctors say he is safe. It took me two months to get a girl out who wasn't even crazy! In jail he gets abused more until he makes parole and here he comes, back into society...even more disturbed.
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koan wrote: I've seen the mental institutes. Even the "mild" ones are not warm and fuzzy. They have institutes for the criminally insane. He may not be insane but most definately disturbed. They established that he was sexually abused from at least the age of three. This outrages me that he would go to prison where he will not have his abuse healed. In a mental institute he doesn't get out until the doctors say he is safe. It took me two months to get a girl out who wasn't even crazy! In jail he gets abused more until he makes parole and here he comes, back into society...even more disturbed.
let me repeat what the judge said when sentencing:
"These problems are not of your own making but it is plain that until these problems are dealt with you are very likely to commit other offences, other offences as serious as this, so the public has to be properly protected until such time as your problems have been assisted."
i don't see any rational counter argument that can be made. it is, as i said, absolutely terrible that he was a victim. but now he has victimized. and he cannot be allowed to do so again, regardless of what he may have already suffered. i'm sorry that he raped someone. i'm sorry he has to be locked away so that he can't do that again. and i'm glad he has to be locked away so that he can't do that again.
let me repeat what the judge said when sentencing:
"These problems are not of your own making but it is plain that until these problems are dealt with you are very likely to commit other offences, other offences as serious as this, so the public has to be properly protected until such time as your problems have been assisted."
i don't see any rational counter argument that can be made. it is, as i said, absolutely terrible that he was a victim. but now he has victimized. and he cannot be allowed to do so again, regardless of what he may have already suffered. i'm sorry that he raped someone. i'm sorry he has to be locked away so that he can't do that again. and i'm glad he has to be locked away so that he can't do that again.
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anastrophe wrote: let me repeat what the judge said when sentencing:
"These problems are not of your own making but it is plain that until these problems are dealt with you are very likely to commit other offences, other offences as serious as this, so the public has to be properly protected until such time as your problems have been assisted."
i don't see any rational counter argument that can be made. it is, as i said, absolutely terrible that he was a victim. but now he has victimized. and he cannot be allowed to do so again, regardless of what he may have already suffered. i'm sorry that he raped someone. i'm sorry he has to be locked away so that he can't do that again. and i'm glad he has to be locked away so that he can't do that again.
Again. I'm not saying he shouldn't be locked away. The mental institute would probably keep him longer. And fix him better.
"These problems are not of your own making but it is plain that until these problems are dealt with you are very likely to commit other offences, other offences as serious as this, so the public has to be properly protected until such time as your problems have been assisted."
i don't see any rational counter argument that can be made. it is, as i said, absolutely terrible that he was a victim. but now he has victimized. and he cannot be allowed to do so again, regardless of what he may have already suffered. i'm sorry that he raped someone. i'm sorry he has to be locked away so that he can't do that again. and i'm glad he has to be locked away so that he can't do that again.
Again. I'm not saying he shouldn't be locked away. The mental institute would probably keep him longer. And fix him better.
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koan wrote: Again. I'm not saying he shouldn't be locked away. The mental institute would probably keep him longer. And fix him better.
the question though, is whether that's what he's getting. the judge said 'detained for life [...] until such time as your problems have been assisted'. this was in the UK. they may refer to these things differently, i don't know whether he's saying that he will indeed get rehabilitation or not.
the question though, is whether that's what he's getting. the judge said 'detained for life [...] until such time as your problems have been assisted'. this was in the UK. they may refer to these things differently, i don't know whether he's saying that he will indeed get rehabilitation or not.
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Maybe the 21st century will see him get the help that he needs in order to turn his life around. He is acting from the nature tht has been inculcated into his being. Acoording to him there is nothing wrong with his behaviour because it is a norm to his way of thinking.
The judge made what is deemed a harsh decision but the fact remains that although one can pity his circumstances the fact is that, until he is reprogrammed, he will do the things that he feels are normal. It will take years to undo the damage just as it took years to create this entity.
Hope he gets the help he needs.
The judge made what is deemed a harsh decision but the fact remains that although one can pity his circumstances the fact is that, until he is reprogrammed, he will do the things that he feels are normal. It will take years to undo the damage just as it took years to create this entity.
Hope he gets the help he needs.
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Florrie wrote: This kid is not mentally ill, but socialised since pre- birth within the worst dysfunctional family that he knows or understands no other behaviour.
six of one, half dozen of another? in my opinion, rapist == mentally ill. i've never known a rapist in my life. i've known/met thousands of people in my lifetime. rapists, and violent criminals in general, are a 'rare' and infamous breed. there are few enough of them out there that i'd have no trouble saying that such people are the most deeply mentally ill people in society. someone who can kill an innocent person, or rape someone, or kidnap someone?
of course, with the whole problem of the insanity defense, it muddies up the criminal justice system something furious.
six of one, half dozen of another? in my opinion, rapist == mentally ill. i've never known a rapist in my life. i've known/met thousands of people in my lifetime. rapists, and violent criminals in general, are a 'rare' and infamous breed. there are few enough of them out there that i'd have no trouble saying that such people are the most deeply mentally ill people in society. someone who can kill an innocent person, or rape someone, or kidnap someone?
of course, with the whole problem of the insanity defense, it muddies up the criminal justice system something furious.
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anastrophe wrote: six of one, half dozen of another? in my opinion, rapist == mentally ill. i've never known a rapist in my life. i've known/met thousands of people in my lifetime. rapists, and violent criminals in general, are a 'rare' and infamous breed. there are few enough of them out there that i'd have no trouble saying that such people are the most deeply mentally ill people in society. someone who can kill an innocent person, or rape someone, or kidnap someone?
of course, with the whole problem of the insanity defense, it muddies up the criminal justice system something furious.
He is a high risk, high needs, high danger individual. Here in Canada He would be locked up in prison and likely left to rot. I would like to think in a perfect world they would find a way to rehabilitate him, as they can do with some of the less hard core dysfunctional humans in prison. But I don't know who would foot the bill and if anyone in the end is goig to care enough to work long enough to get this kid straightened up. Gawd 12 and off to prison, life does not get any worse. Prision is only going to create bigger problems for him. Mental institute hmmmm likely not much success there likely they will put him on some kind of medication that will totally numb his sexual desires, indivitual thinking, and violent tendancies. This child at the tender age of 12 is so messed up, he does need "re-parenting" and nurtured in a way he will never get from here on in. Unfortunately I don't think much exists out there that would take such a seriuosly messed kid and turn him around. It would mean imprisonment with excellent parental intervention and just who can do that?
Pity really that entire scenario. I don't think there is a hope for that kid. Pity ya can't go back to the root of the problem and deal with the original offenders, the abusive adults of his life.
of course, with the whole problem of the insanity defense, it muddies up the criminal justice system something furious.
He is a high risk, high needs, high danger individual. Here in Canada He would be locked up in prison and likely left to rot. I would like to think in a perfect world they would find a way to rehabilitate him, as they can do with some of the less hard core dysfunctional humans in prison. But I don't know who would foot the bill and if anyone in the end is goig to care enough to work long enough to get this kid straightened up. Gawd 12 and off to prison, life does not get any worse. Prision is only going to create bigger problems for him. Mental institute hmmmm likely not much success there likely they will put him on some kind of medication that will totally numb his sexual desires, indivitual thinking, and violent tendancies. This child at the tender age of 12 is so messed up, he does need "re-parenting" and nurtured in a way he will never get from here on in. Unfortunately I don't think much exists out there that would take such a seriuosly messed kid and turn him around. It would mean imprisonment with excellent parental intervention and just who can do that?
Pity really that entire scenario. I don't think there is a hope for that kid. Pity ya can't go back to the root of the problem and deal with the original offenders, the abusive adults of his life.
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minks wrote: Pity ya can't go back to the root of the problem and deal with the original offenders, the abusive adults of his life.
Now THAT would make me feel a whole lot better about the situation...and show the kid that the system blames the people who made him that way too!
Now THAT would make me feel a whole lot better about the situation...and show the kid that the system blames the people who made him that way too!
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And what became of the parents? Are they not being brought to task for what they have done to the child. Maybe there is an institution where they can get their parenting skills tgether. It sounds like a joke but it isn't. Why are they off scott free?
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kensloft wrote: And what became of the parents? Are they not being brought to task for what they have done to the child. Maybe there is an institution where they can get their parenting skills tgether. It sounds like a joke but it isn't. Why are they off scott free?
I understand the mother has been prosecuted for abusing him & his brothers from an early age.
I understand the mother has been prosecuted for abusing him & his brothers from an early age.
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kensloft wrote: And what became of the parents? Are they not being brought to task for what they have done to the child. Maybe there is an institution where they can get their parenting skills tgether. It sounds like a joke but it isn't. Why are they off scott free?
10 bucks says they are hiding. The are leaving Jr. to fend for his self as it is his mess he can deal with it.
Goes back to my daughters support of her GF when she was sexually assulted by a 15 year old boy. That boy showed up at court alone. Why, cause his parents ditched him. Yep lets get to the root here the parents. Unlike M Jackson who had a troubled life as a kid and as an adult is warped, these are kids who were f***ed way before they could even complete a rational though process.
I suppose in the end the kid and parents will go through some evaluation but so what, it isn't going to be of any help for this sadly messed up kid.
What also blows my mind in this case... how many people out there would read this story and think gawd what kind of behavior did the teacher evoke to encourage this child to do this. I am certain those thoughts are out there I mean after all this boy is 12 barely old enough to understand sex little own commit a sexual crime. But then you get to thinking about his upbringing and you take a realistic look at kids this day, and boy oh boy that teacher is going to be some messed for the future as well. How could you even fathom going on knowing a 12 year old raped you. I am sure people are going to look at her and think she in some way encouraged it. Pity her as well. And belive me I have worked with messed up 12 year old boys and know they are capable of this kind of crime, and they are big and they could dominate the situation and it is hard to fathom they are mere babes, chronologically.
10 bucks says they are hiding. The are leaving Jr. to fend for his self as it is his mess he can deal with it.
Goes back to my daughters support of her GF when she was sexually assulted by a 15 year old boy. That boy showed up at court alone. Why, cause his parents ditched him. Yep lets get to the root here the parents. Unlike M Jackson who had a troubled life as a kid and as an adult is warped, these are kids who were f***ed way before they could even complete a rational though process.
I suppose in the end the kid and parents will go through some evaluation but so what, it isn't going to be of any help for this sadly messed up kid.
What also blows my mind in this case... how many people out there would read this story and think gawd what kind of behavior did the teacher evoke to encourage this child to do this. I am certain those thoughts are out there I mean after all this boy is 12 barely old enough to understand sex little own commit a sexual crime. But then you get to thinking about his upbringing and you take a realistic look at kids this day, and boy oh boy that teacher is going to be some messed for the future as well. How could you even fathom going on knowing a 12 year old raped you. I am sure people are going to look at her and think she in some way encouraged it. Pity her as well. And belive me I have worked with messed up 12 year old boys and know they are capable of this kind of crime, and they are big and they could dominate the situation and it is hard to fathom they are mere babes, chronologically.
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Florrie wrote: That was AGES AGO!!!
The family first came to the notice of Social Services & Child Protection agencies when the kids were little. That is my agrument. What reparation is required/demanded from this family to ensure their social disease is not already mingling within the local community to blight the future.?
What recent assessment / interventions has been given to the mother / siblings.....who will / may be parents themselves someday / if not already?
NONE! :rolleyes:
The courts here hand down Parenting Orders like smarties, yet when there is an undeniable deserving need they can't see the wood from the trees.
And I know a Parenting Order right now, is after the horse has bolted!!!!
But to recommend NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-5
Leaves nothing to be said.
Maybe the judge feels that it will appear as a matter of course within the system?
The family first came to the notice of Social Services & Child Protection agencies when the kids were little. That is my agrument. What reparation is required/demanded from this family to ensure their social disease is not already mingling within the local community to blight the future.?
What recent assessment / interventions has been given to the mother / siblings.....who will / may be parents themselves someday / if not already?
NONE! :rolleyes:
The courts here hand down Parenting Orders like smarties, yet when there is an undeniable deserving need they can't see the wood from the trees.
And I know a Parenting Order right now, is after the horse has bolted!!!!
But to recommend NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-5
Leaves nothing to be said.
Maybe the judge feels that it will appear as a matter of course within the system?
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Florrie wrote: Kensloft!!!!!! :rolleyes:
You jest?
I wish I wasn't. Does that mean that the British system doesn't have anything available to this child? I don't think so! It'll be interesting to find out. With a decision such as was made there can be nothing but relying on the system to make somethings available to those that need it. Surely you are joking?
You jest?
I wish I wasn't. Does that mean that the British system doesn't have anything available to this child? I don't think so! It'll be interesting to find out. With a decision such as was made there can be nothing but relying on the system to make somethings available to those that need it. Surely you are joking?