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Ted wrote: charles:-6

It is not just another story. These stories present profound truths about Jesus and about God. Though they are not historical is immaterial. What is important is what they mean.

As far as astronomiers trying to find a "star" that was around then the scholars are not too keen on accepting the so called evidence. All I can say is that when I look up into the sky at night, on a clear night of course LOL, I see thousands of stars knowing that there are billions. Some are bright and some are dim. They become possibilities and as such are not proofs.

As I say, regardless of the history or lack thereof, it is the meanings of the stories that are important.

Shalom

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that's assuming jesus was an actual person, and not a made-up person to create another means of controlling people.:D :-4
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charles_r51 wrote: life on this earth is nothing more, nor less than, attending a school. we learn and grow. then we die, pass ovewr, return and wide up back in class. anything else is of no value. if you learn, you go on to the next lesson, if not, you repeat the grade until you have learned the lesson. i neither accept nor reject an7y idea, but i do choose which i face, and which i turn away from. whether i am right or wrong is nothing but the product of what i have learned up to that point. i make mistakes as does everyone, but i don't place the blame for my failures on anyone but myself. as for what is in the bible, some is historically accurate, much is make believe. as for the rest, i find one meaning one day, and another the next. i don't assume someone else is right or wrong, but i have my own ideas, some i share, others i don't but still some i choose to keep rto myself, while letting others have their own ideas in spite of whaqt they think. i'm not a scholar by any means, but neither do i take everything at face value, or without question. it's an interesting book, but that's all it is , a book edited for content by who knows how many, and can't be taken as aything but that.:-4


Thanks Charles

I like honesty, up front. I figure I can live quite peacefully with anybody who can live peacefully with me. I feel no need to push my beliefs on someone else and I can see that you are content with your beliefs. Most Christians want to save all those who are not Christian, an honorable undertaking. I would get reprimanded for not feeling that way but I am what I am. I enjoy you Dr. Charles:) :-6 :-4
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weber wrote: Thanks Charles

I like honesty, up front. I figure I can live quite peacefully with anybody who can live peacefully with me. I feel no need to push my beliefs on someone else and I can see that you are content with your beliefs. Most Christians want to save all those who are not Christian, an honorable undertaking. I would get reprimanded for not feeling that way but I am what I am. I enjoy you Dr. Charles:) :-6 :-4


reprimanded? no. but you would be kicked out of the church. seems they just don't like us independent thinker types. questioning their dogmas and such just does't sit too well with most "true believers". they prefer more pliable personalities that will be more easily "taught" the true way. i'm too strong-willed to be led along like some sheep to the slaughter, so to speek.

(it's more fun too. i can start an argument and watch the fireworks ;)
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charles_r51 wrote: reprimanded? no. but you would be kicked out of the church. seems they just don't like us independent thinker types. questioning their dogmas and such just does't sit too well with most "true believers". they prefer more pliable personalities that will be more easily "taught" the true way. i'm too strong-willed to be led along like some sheep to the slaughter, so to speek.

(it's more fun too. i can start an argument and watch the fireworks ;)



Charles. You are a perisher. I enjoy doing that myself.:D
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weber wrote: Thanks Charles

I I feel no need to push my beliefs on someone else and I can see that you are content with your beliefs. Most Christians want to save all those who are not Christian,


But it is a central tenet of Christianity that you must 'push your beliefs'. Go and be fishers of men, was the instruction; the object being to bring others to salvation.

It is impossible to be a Christian and passive at the same time. The two are contradictions in terms.
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Apparently many of the world's top scholars have no problem with the historical Jesus having been a living human entity.

I also see here a lack of understanding of the emerging Christian way. I cannot speak for the Anglican Church in England or any other church there for that matter. My experiences with the church are not of the traditional orthodoxy. I can and am comfortable living with it and have no problem with those who do. That being said I have found the Anglican Church of Canada very open to a great diversity of thought and scholarship. It is far from being a closed shop.

We are constantly progressing; a new Book of Common Prayer, the ordination of women, the inclusive acceptance alternate sexual orientations is spreading, our theology is progressing and developing based on newer understandings based on science and our human experience and so on.

We are also very actively working with our First Nations to bring about reconciliation for past errors and subsequent healing realizing that we had no right to interfere with their culture or their systems of spirituality. We are in the process of accepting their traditional faiths as bona fide experiences of the Divine and encourage them to sek to recover them wherever possible.

That we can't be a Christian unless we run around proselytizing is simply no longer true. We live in a multicultural world and we are working or accepting pluralism in its true meaning. We are learning to accept the fact that all of the great faiths are valid expressions of their experiences of theDivine.

Our missionaries go to help not to convert.

This of course does not fit all of our denominations but it is spreading. The fundamentalists will probably never change in my lifetime.

Shalom

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William Ess wrote: But it is a central tenet of Christianity that you must 'push your beliefs'. Go and be fishers of men, was the instruction; the object being to bring others to salvation.

It is impossible to be a Christian and passive at the same time. The two are contradictions in terms.


One does not have push ones religion to prove anything. I do not push my beliefs and I certainly am not passive. When Christ said go forth and be fishers of men, most people needed to be found as Christianity had just begun.. Today I find it rather repulsive to have Christian people pushing other Christian people, obviously not to be Christian but the be their religion. I find that repulsive. Now if Christians went to pushing people who had none, that would be different. On the internet, what I see is peoople jockeying for position of their own churches. I really don't think that is what Christ was talking about.
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weber:-6

I can agree with that.

Shalom

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Ted wrote: weber:-6

I can agree with that.

Shalom

Ted:-6


Ah, mebbe I have restores my dignity. Thank you ted:-6 :-4
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weber:-6

Good for you. Not a sarcastic remark. We must all retain our self esteem in spite of all our warts etc. None of us is perfect.

Shalom

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tu Tee:-6

My take on the Second Coming is that He is already here, just not discovered yet. And why do I say that. Just because I think His Second Coming will commence the same as the first. Now I am likely way off base, but I like the idea, sort of like be nice cuz you're never too sure who you are talking with.:-6
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Charles. You are a perisher. I enjoy doing that myself.:D


is it as much fun for you as it is for me? only some folks get rather upset if i say too much, but that's the point!:D :-4 :-4
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weber wrote: tu Tee:-6

My take on the Second Coming is that He is already here, just not discovered yet. And why do I say that. Just because I think His Second Coming will commence the same as the first. Now I am likely way off base, but I like the idea, sort of like be nice cuz you're never too sure who you are talking with.:-6


your right about that. he's the one wearing the white robes, has long , stringy hair, a handlebar mustach (well waxed) and long beard. i saw him last week and he told me he was in disguiae until next tuesday.:D
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charles_r51 wrote: is it as much fun for you as it is for me? only some folks get rather upset if i say too much, but that's the point!:D :-4 :-4


I used to thoroughly enjoy bible studies with the Jehovah's Witnesses. They'd try everything to get me to see things their way. We had regular arguments about the contents of their briefcases in contrast to what Jesus told his disciples to take. And that was the least of it. They gave up on me in the end which was such a shame because I enjoyed the sessions.:(
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OpenMind:-6

You're naughty. But I do love to toy with them as well. Guess I'm naughty as well.

Shalom

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charles_r51 wrote: your right about that. he's the one wearing the white robes, has long , stringy hair, a handlebar mustach (well waxed) and long beard. i saw him last week and he told me he was in disguiae until next tuesday.:D


That's no disguise Charles. There's hundreds of those fellows milling around these days. They're called hippies. LOL You makin' fun of me:p :p
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OpenMind wrote: I used to thoroughly enjoy bible studies with the Jehovah's Witnesses. They'd try everything to get me to see things their way. We had regular arguments about the contents of their briefcases in contrast to what Jesus told his disciples to take. And that was the least of it. They gave up on me in the end which was such a shame because I enjoyed the sessions.:(


OM

You shouldn't taunt those poor lovely JWs who tried to steal my brain when I wasn't looking. You should do much worse.:lips: :-3 :D
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I never let them past the door but one Saturday morning many years ago I kept the discussion going for 2 hrs which really pissed my wife off. There were two fellows one young and one older. When the younger one started to ask me questions the older one decided it was time to leave. I almost had one. You've heard about the one that got away. That was him. LOL

One I haven't done yet is to pretend to be Jewish and ask them how dare they try to tell me to read my own book. That should be a hoot too.

Alas the condo we live in has a secure door system and no one here lets them in at all. I do kinda miss the fun at times. LOL.

Shalom

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OpenMind wrote: I used to thoroughly enjoy bible studies with the Jehovah's Witnesses. They'd try everything to get me to see things their way. We had regular arguments about the contents of their briefcases in contrast to what Jesus told his disciples to take. And that was the least of it. They gave up on me in the end which was such a shame because I enjoyed the sessions.:(


i had some come to my door telling me the end was nigh. i told them not to worry cuz jc was already here and not on a cloud. they didn't like that so they left. i still don't know why. did i say something to upset them?:D :-4 :guitarist

i may not answer soon since i can't get my mail. the site's on the fritz. that'syahoo for you.
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weber wrote: That's no disguise Charles. There's hundreds of those fellows milling around these days. They're called hippies. LOL You makin' fun of me:p :p


and here i thought i had a leg up on the free trip to neverland! oh well, that's par for the course for me. i ain't making fun of you, just the situation! :D :D
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Ted wrote: I never let them past the door but one Saturday morning many years ago I kept the discussion going for 2 hrs which really pissed my wife off. There were two fellows one young and one older. When the younger one started to ask me questions the older one decided it was time to leave. I almost had one. You've heard about the one that got away. That was him. LOL

One I haven't done yet is to pretend to be Jewish and ask them how dare they try to tell me to read my own book. That should be a hoot too.

Alas the condo we live in has a secure door system and no one here lets them in at all. I do kinda miss the fun at times. LOL.

Shalom

Ted


i had some come to my door once. i told them i was a world famous psychic. they could get away fast enough. seems i scared the bejesus out of 'em. but it was fun, LOL:D :D
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charles:-6

My son invited them in for a joint. He had the same experience. LOL

Shalom

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LOL. You guys are a scream.:-6
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Ted wrote: charles:-6

My son invited them in for a joint. He had the same experience. LOL

Shalom

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i was gonna offer them a beer, but they ran off to fast, so i d5rank 'em myself.:p :driving:
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OpenMind wrote: LOL. You guys are a scream.:-6


i am not! aaaahhhhhhhh.:D :D
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I think we can now consider this thread well and truly hijacked.

Ted, you have been honoured.:wah:
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OpenMind wrote: I think we can now consider this thread well and truly hijacked.

Ted, you have been honoured.:wah:


Aha OM OM

I saw you way up at the beginning of the hijacking:p
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charles_r51 wrote: i had some come to my door telling me the end was nigh. i told them not to worry cuz jc was already here and not on a cloud. they didn't like that so they left. i still don't know why. did i say something to upset them?:D :-4 :guitarist

i may not answer soon since i can't get my mail. the site's on the fritz. that'syahoo for you.


not another end of the world ...i'm still cleaning up from the last one. :wah:
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weber wrote: Aha OM OM



I saw you way up at the beginning of the hijacking:p


How are you, Weber?
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OpenMind wrote: How are you, Weber?


Am fine OM OM

jez prowlin' around and findin' my OM OM gettin' peples all riled up and sneakin' out the back door:wah: 'n how are you my fine feathered/skinned frend?:guitarist
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weber wrote: Am fine OM OM



jez prowlin' around and findin' my OM OM gettin' peples all riled up and sneakin' out the back door:wah: 'n how are you my fine feathered/skinned frend?:guitarist


As well as ever I am ever going to be, Weber, my friend.:D
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OpenMind wrote: As well as ever I am ever going to be, Weber, my friend.:D You look kinda furry on top. Doncha ever shave. Can't be a girl cuz no bow. Hi OpenMind. You know I opened my mind one day and all my brains fell out.:yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl
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weber wrote: You look kinda furry on top. Doncha ever shave. Can't be a girl cuz no bow. Hi OpenMind. You know I opened my mind one day and all my brains fell out.:yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl


I put mine in a carrier bag. Then I can leave them at home if I don't need them.
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OpenMind wrote: I put mine in a carrier bag. Then I can leave them at home if I don't need them.


Best laugh of the day......I like your idea cuz I don't know where mine fell out and I can't find 'em. Can you help me?:-3 :confused:
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weber wrote: Best laugh of the day......I like your idea cuz I don't know where mine fell out and I can't find 'em. Can you help me?:-3 :confused:


Brains like fish. We'll have to head for the sea.;)
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OpenMind wrote: Brains like fish. We'll have to head for the sea.;)


Lez go swimmin' OM.....but not....can't miss BR:-4

How bout fishin/ fer a bit:-6 :-4
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weber wrote: Lez go swimmin' OM.....but not....can't miss BR:-4



How bout fishin/ fer a bit:-6 :-4


Fishing for brains, remember.:)
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OpenMind wrote: Fishing for brains, remember.:)


Oh sorry, gotta clarify....a bit o' brains was all I think I had:wah:
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.........but I need that bit of brains for the Second Coming....hafta no something:-4
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weber wrote: .........but I need that bit of brains for the Second Coming....hafta no something:-4


You don't need brains for the second coming. You only need a heart.:-6
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ARgi wrote: not another end of the world ...i'm still cleaning up from the last one. :wah:


seems it happens every tuesday, around here. i'm just glad it i got plenty of beer in the basement, right next to the bourbon.:D :o
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OpenMind wrote: You don't need brains for the second coming. You only need a heart.:-6


what? i thought i had to have bourbon, so i bought some. now i have to go find some hearts.will chicken hearts do, or do i have to have somethimg bigger? do i need more that four or five? i really would like some guidance here.:-5 :D
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charles_r51 wrote: what? i thought i had to have bourbon, so i bought some. now i have to go find some hearts.will chicken hearts do, or do i have to have somethimg bigger? do i need more that four or five? i really would like some guidance here.:-5 :D


The one in your chest will do, Charles. It'll go nicely with the rest of you.:D
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OpenMind wrote: The one in your chest will do, Charles. It'll go nicely with the rest of you.:D


i was told by someone that i didn't have one. know where i can get one?:D :-4
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charles_r51 wrote: i was told by someone that i didn't have one. know where i can get one?:D :-4


Have you tried your local hospital? They get fresh supplies. Demand is high though. You might have a bit of a wait.
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OpenMind wrote: Have you tried your local hospital? They get fresh supplies. Demand is high though. You might have a bit of a wait.


they have hearts there? wow. i thought i'd have to to the meat market! do they sell 'em by the pound?:D:-4 ;)
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charles_r51 wrote: they have hearts there? wow. i thought i'd have to to the meat market! do they sell 'em by the pound?:D:-4 ;)


I don't know how much they are. But insist on seeing one before you buy, they get some dodgy ones too.:D

I'm off to work now.
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OpenMind wrote: I don't know how much they are. But insist on seeing one before you buy, they get some dodgy ones too.:D

I'm off to work now.


if they're cheap enough, i'll order two, just in case i need the spare. but they have to be prime, xuz i don't like second best.:D :-4

and please don't use such nasty four letter words like work. it makes me feel bad.
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charles_r51 wrote: if they're cheap enough, i'll order two, just in case i need the spare. but they have to be prime, xuz i don't like second best.:D :-4



and please don't use such nasty four letter words like work. it makes me feel bad.


:yh_rotfl

I can't understand why the word isn't censored.:D
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OpenMind wrote: :yh_rotfl

I can't understand why the word isn't censored.:D


maybe they don't know what a bad word is.:lips:

sorry i took so long to reply, but i've been out of town- fishing for little swimming things. know what i mean?
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