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Tigerlily wrote: It [abortion] should be available to those who need a solution without do-gooders passing judgement. Sorry, you don't get to choose for me. Somebody will always be there to pass judgment on everything you do. Do what you will, but don't think you deserve support, or even acceptance, from me. After all, haven't you passed judgment on people that disagree with you? Yaaaay Freedom!!
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nvalleyvee wrote: Lots of abstinance.
Impossible. We know kids can't abstain. They all do it and to suggest otherwise is unrealistic.
Impossible. We know kids can't abstain. They all do it and to suggest otherwise is unrealistic.
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nvalleyvee wrote:
I think the big popuation of Native Americans has made the most difference. I want to say something else too. The 2 or 3 NA girls who get pregnant in their soph or jr years are the girls who always make it to college after their senior year. THAT IS the family support.
We have a predominant Indian population (our tribe prefers that term so no pc stuff please) where I live and many are usually pregnant by 17 or 18. Of course some get further education or decent jobs but many just continue to pop out kid after kid.
I think the big popuation of Native Americans has made the most difference. I want to say something else too. The 2 or 3 NA girls who get pregnant in their soph or jr years are the girls who always make it to college after their senior year. THAT IS the family support.
We have a predominant Indian population (our tribe prefers that term so no pc stuff please) where I live and many are usually pregnant by 17 or 18. Of course some get further education or decent jobs but many just continue to pop out kid after kid.
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Accountable wrote: Sorry, you don't get to choose for me. Somebody will always be there to pass judgment on everything you do. Do what you will, but don't think you deserve support, or even acceptance, from me. After all, haven't you passed judgment on people that disagree with you? Yaaaay Freedom!!
I have said the same thing myself! We may not agree on the abortion issue but we seem to agree here.
I have said the same thing myself! We may not agree on the abortion issue but we seem to agree here.

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nvalleyvee wrote: Absolutely, I agree. I have subbed in predominatly white schools and at this HS there have only been 5 or 6 infants per year out of a population of 900 students.........go figure. I think you are right.
I think the big popuation of Native Americans has made the most difference. I want to say something else too. The 2 or 3 NA girls who get pregnant in their soph or jr years are the girls who always make it to college after their senior year. THAT IS the family support.
I think that's great, which really is the least that can be said of statistics like that. I also wonder about whether religion and faith in god, or lack there of has an effect. Native Americans don't rely on a "creator God" for the most part, but the universe and nature. The pressure of religion I think cause more rebellion than loyalty. Faith in something, on the other hand, as long as it keeps you a good person, is so important. Now that I think of it, there are some similarities in that to the Buddhist's way of life. Though, it's argued by some whether it's a religion or way of life, you know what I mean I think. I still think maybe, I don't know how you would, but try to somehow make that known to more people. You would be the best candidate to do something like that if you see it first hand. Maybe awareness in a higher content is more of a benefit than rules and control. I know that awareness being better is something many have already said, but maybe there needs to be a different approach.....I wonder how you'd go about doing something like that?
I think the big popuation of Native Americans has made the most difference. I want to say something else too. The 2 or 3 NA girls who get pregnant in their soph or jr years are the girls who always make it to college after their senior year. THAT IS the family support.
I think that's great, which really is the least that can be said of statistics like that. I also wonder about whether religion and faith in god, or lack there of has an effect. Native Americans don't rely on a "creator God" for the most part, but the universe and nature. The pressure of religion I think cause more rebellion than loyalty. Faith in something, on the other hand, as long as it keeps you a good person, is so important. Now that I think of it, there are some similarities in that to the Buddhist's way of life. Though, it's argued by some whether it's a religion or way of life, you know what I mean I think. I still think maybe, I don't know how you would, but try to somehow make that known to more people. You would be the best candidate to do something like that if you see it first hand. Maybe awareness in a higher content is more of a benefit than rules and control. I know that awareness being better is something many have already said, but maybe there needs to be a different approach.....I wonder how you'd go about doing something like that?
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Accountable wrote: Sorry, you don't get to choose for me. Somebody will always be there to pass judgment on everything you do. Do what you will, but don't think you deserve support, or even acceptance, from me. After all, haven't you passed judgment on people that disagree with you? Yaaaay Freedom!!
In the shadow of "lady liberty", unfortunately someone will also always be making some sort of decision for you. Especially if it's the "land of liberty" that employs you. As a bit of irony our Freedom isn't really unlimited. As long as things like a true majority vote isn't really what elects our president, and congress is allowed to give themselves a raise without raising the minimum wage, it will not change. The term of freedom I think gets handled by our government completely out of context, and needs a definition overhaul. As far as law and abortion is concerned, as with anything else, the controversy is there when the ones it affects speak on deaf ears and disappearing inked letters are somehow the only ones getting to members of local officials. To be honest there are times when you wonder if government seems to think total poverty is a myth. That people aren't really in America unable to feed themselves. Like how the court process doesn't always work and america getting upset, when really the times it doesn't work are because they have the mistakes of the ones who processed it to hide behind. It's there, but there's excuses to legit to do anything about it. I guess I more less get furious when it's claimed we need to fight for the freedoms our forefathers fought so hard to have. Our forefathers fought off the one's already here that truly had their freedom so that they could have a piece of it. The term things come back to you ten fold came into reality when England came over revenging their traitors and somehow no idiot woke up one night and thought "wow, we took it from them, now they want to take it from us......so this is what it feels like...ohhhh....Duhhhh!" At times I feel that as a whole we are truly "Englands Village Idiots". That's like how as a freshman in highschool, during a pep rally kids threw pennies at them, then when those kids were seniors, they did it to the freshman. Everything is a cycle. Makes you wonder sometimes whether we should stop trying to think of what to do if a meteor hits, and just let nature take it's course.
In the shadow of "lady liberty", unfortunately someone will also always be making some sort of decision for you. Especially if it's the "land of liberty" that employs you. As a bit of irony our Freedom isn't really unlimited. As long as things like a true majority vote isn't really what elects our president, and congress is allowed to give themselves a raise without raising the minimum wage, it will not change. The term of freedom I think gets handled by our government completely out of context, and needs a definition overhaul. As far as law and abortion is concerned, as with anything else, the controversy is there when the ones it affects speak on deaf ears and disappearing inked letters are somehow the only ones getting to members of local officials. To be honest there are times when you wonder if government seems to think total poverty is a myth. That people aren't really in America unable to feed themselves. Like how the court process doesn't always work and america getting upset, when really the times it doesn't work are because they have the mistakes of the ones who processed it to hide behind. It's there, but there's excuses to legit to do anything about it. I guess I more less get furious when it's claimed we need to fight for the freedoms our forefathers fought so hard to have. Our forefathers fought off the one's already here that truly had their freedom so that they could have a piece of it. The term things come back to you ten fold came into reality when England came over revenging their traitors and somehow no idiot woke up one night and thought "wow, we took it from them, now they want to take it from us......so this is what it feels like...ohhhh....Duhhhh!" At times I feel that as a whole we are truly "Englands Village Idiots". That's like how as a freshman in highschool, during a pep rally kids threw pennies at them, then when those kids were seniors, they did it to the freshman. Everything is a cycle. Makes you wonder sometimes whether we should stop trying to think of what to do if a meteor hits, and just let nature take it's course.
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First i have to say that reading through this stuff has amazed me of the involvment of Rainingsun through this topic. I think it's pretty neat to see the person who made it actually stick around and see where it went. You don't see that to often for that amount of time and replies. I'm sorry RED GLITTER, but I have to agree with RAIN. on this.
REDGLITTER QUOTE: Twice AZ has asked the question of whether or not I would "let" a 12 year old keep her baby. Yes I would. Flame away. Accountable thinks my comment that once pregnant, childhood stops, is stupid. No it isn't. Having never been pregnant I can see why you would think that. Were our great grandmothers who were pregnant at 13 and 14 still children back then? The culture may be different but that is all. I am fully aware that it would be me as the grandmother to take care of said child alongside my 12 year old but that would be my business and no one else's if I and my daughter chose that route.
It was difficult for me to see where things were going until I was reading things in reverse before I replied. REDGLITT. you do alot of the "instructional opinions" as RAIN. put it i think. I think abortion should be a woman's choice, sure. Should a man be involved in making it?......only the child's father, and only if the relationship is up to it. Really though REDGLITT. if your 12 yr. old got pregnant and you "let" her keep it, though I don't know any 12yr. old's that wouldn't be scared out of their minds, the first person that would bust your "it's my business" bubble is social services..........I can't believe that with the thousands of views here that somebody hasn't said that to you. I agree, these sites aren't here because everyone agrees, and yes, people do get offended even though it's a message board, as mentioned earlier. It's just that certain things like that, like a man paying because the woman lied about birth control that make me wonder how in the world do some of you function through life without having been "offended" earlier because of your stupid comments.
REDGLITTER QUOTE: Twice AZ has asked the question of whether or not I would "let" a 12 year old keep her baby. Yes I would. Flame away. Accountable thinks my comment that once pregnant, childhood stops, is stupid. No it isn't. Having never been pregnant I can see why you would think that. Were our great grandmothers who were pregnant at 13 and 14 still children back then? The culture may be different but that is all. I am fully aware that it would be me as the grandmother to take care of said child alongside my 12 year old but that would be my business and no one else's if I and my daughter chose that route.
It was difficult for me to see where things were going until I was reading things in reverse before I replied. REDGLITT. you do alot of the "instructional opinions" as RAIN. put it i think. I think abortion should be a woman's choice, sure. Should a man be involved in making it?......only the child's father, and only if the relationship is up to it. Really though REDGLITT. if your 12 yr. old got pregnant and you "let" her keep it, though I don't know any 12yr. old's that wouldn't be scared out of their minds, the first person that would bust your "it's my business" bubble is social services..........I can't believe that with the thousands of views here that somebody hasn't said that to you. I agree, these sites aren't here because everyone agrees, and yes, people do get offended even though it's a message board, as mentioned earlier. It's just that certain things like that, like a man paying because the woman lied about birth control that make me wonder how in the world do some of you function through life without having been "offended" earlier because of your stupid comments.
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rainingsun wrote: In the shadow of "lady liberty", unfortunately someone will also always be making some sort of decision for you. Especially if it's the "land of liberty" that employs you. As a bit of irony our Freedom isn't really unlimited. As long as things like a true majority vote isn't really what elects our president, and congress is allowed to give themselves a raise without raising the minimum wage, it will not change. The term of freedom I think gets handled by our government completely out of context, and needs a definition overhaul. As far as law and abortion is concerned, as with anything else, the controversy is there when the ones it affects speak on deaf ears and disappearing inked letters are somehow the only ones getting to members of local officials. To be honest there are times when you wonder if government seems to think total poverty is a myth. That people aren't really in America unable to feed themselves. Like how the court process doesn't always work and america getting upset, when really the times it doesn't work are because they have the mistakes of the ones who processed it to hide behind. It's there, but there's excuses to legit to do anything about it. I guess I more less get furious when it's claimed we need to fight for the freedoms our forefathers fought so hard to have. Our forefathers fought off the one's already here that truly had their freedom so that they could have a piece of it. The term things come back to you ten fold came into reality when England came over revenging their traitors and somehow no idiot woke up one night and thought "wow, we took it from them, now they want to take it from us......so this is what it feels like...ohhhh....Duhhhh!" At times I feel that as a whole we are truly "Englands Village Idiots". That's like how as a freshman in highschool, during a pep rally kids threw pennies at them, then when those kids were seniors, they did it to the freshman. Everything is a cycle. Makes you wonder sometimes whether we should stop trying to think of what to do if a meteor hits, and just let nature take it's course.
I don't think I'm ready for a meteor yet. I haven't even told off my mother in law yet. That is my life's goal. Tell her off before I die. Is that so much to ask? j/k I couldn't help but think of those Force Flex trashbag commercials when I read that for some reason.
I don't think I'm ready for a meteor yet. I haven't even told off my mother in law yet. That is my life's goal. Tell her off before I die. Is that so much to ask? j/k I couldn't help but think of those Force Flex trashbag commercials when I read that for some reason.
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wildfireblue wrote: First i have to say that reading through this stuff has amazed me of the involvment of Rainingsun through this topic. I think it's pretty neat to see the person who made it actually stick around and see where it went. You don't see that to often for that amount of time and replies. I'm sorry RED GLITTER, but I have to agree with RAIN. on this.
REDGLITTER QUOTE: Twice AZ has asked the question of whether or not I would "let" a 12 year old keep her baby. Yes I would. Flame away. Accountable thinks my comment that once pregnant, childhood stops, is stupid. No it isn't. Having never been pregnant I can see why you would think that. Were our great grandmothers who were pregnant at 13 and 14 still children back then? The culture may be different but that is all. I am fully aware that it would be me as the grandmother to take care of said child alongside my 12 year old but that would be my business and no one else's if I and my daughter chose that route.
It was difficult for me to see where things were going until I was reading things in reverse before I replied. REDGLITT. you do alot of the "instructional opinions" as RAIN. put it i think. I think abortion should be a woman's choice, sure. Should a man be involved in making it?......only the child's father, and only if the relationship is up to it. Really though REDGLITT. if your 12 yr. old got pregnant and you "let" her keep it, though I don't know any 12yr. old's that wouldn't be scared out of their minds, the first person that would bust your "it's my business" bubble is social services..........I can't believe that with the thousands of views here that somebody hasn't said that to you. I agree, these sites aren't here because everyone agrees, and yes, people do get offended even though it's a message board, as mentioned earlier. It's just that certain things like that, like a man paying because the woman lied about birth control that make me wonder how in the world do some of you function through life without having been "offended" earlier because of your stupid comments.
wow, ummm, that was blunt. Thanks. I don't think there's too much for me to say after that. Out of all fairness I do need to say that I don't want for anyone else to deal with personal blows to the gut. It was worded well I thought. LOL. Welcome to the forum.
REDGLITTER QUOTE: Twice AZ has asked the question of whether or not I would "let" a 12 year old keep her baby. Yes I would. Flame away. Accountable thinks my comment that once pregnant, childhood stops, is stupid. No it isn't. Having never been pregnant I can see why you would think that. Were our great grandmothers who were pregnant at 13 and 14 still children back then? The culture may be different but that is all. I am fully aware that it would be me as the grandmother to take care of said child alongside my 12 year old but that would be my business and no one else's if I and my daughter chose that route.
It was difficult for me to see where things were going until I was reading things in reverse before I replied. REDGLITT. you do alot of the "instructional opinions" as RAIN. put it i think. I think abortion should be a woman's choice, sure. Should a man be involved in making it?......only the child's father, and only if the relationship is up to it. Really though REDGLITT. if your 12 yr. old got pregnant and you "let" her keep it, though I don't know any 12yr. old's that wouldn't be scared out of their minds, the first person that would bust your "it's my business" bubble is social services..........I can't believe that with the thousands of views here that somebody hasn't said that to you. I agree, these sites aren't here because everyone agrees, and yes, people do get offended even though it's a message board, as mentioned earlier. It's just that certain things like that, like a man paying because the woman lied about birth control that make me wonder how in the world do some of you function through life without having been "offended" earlier because of your stupid comments.
wow, ummm, that was blunt. Thanks. I don't think there's too much for me to say after that. Out of all fairness I do need to say that I don't want for anyone else to deal with personal blows to the gut. It was worded well I thought. LOL. Welcome to the forum.
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:wah: Looks like RS finally has a friend. By the way wildfireblue, it's not REDGLITT. As a helpful suggestion for both of you, if you don't like what I or anyone else has to say, no one said you had to. But you do need to be polite and coming on with your big 2 posts and immediately telling members they're stupid was very uncool. Good luck around here.
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OK
this is NOT re change your view OR take a hike
NOW first I'd like to say !. I am new (seeing what is proper decorum amongst the civilized members & read some RARE doozys unfortunately RE outright rudeness in tone-no joking retorts but meaness ect)
2. I have posted some FACTS W the info to back them up as substantiated as precursor to more discussion of OPINIONS
3. SOME NEWER members of less than 4 mos are BULLYING other members NEW & OLD
4. THIS GARDEN (aptly named 4 diversity)IS for free expression of opinions,art,news/facts AND GOOD OLD HUMOR of ALL levels which IS lst but NOT LEAST. UH MAY HAVE LEFT OUT SUMthing
5. FREE thought & expression in a GARDEN would entail some control to the point wherein ONE'S OWN expression DID NOT PRECLUDE NOR MINIMIZE ANY others for by WHAT means can you POSSIBLY hope TO GROW or CONVEY NEW or FRESH perspectives,styles,art,OR even NEWS(which is atLEAST FILTER AND panders to particular views & Political agendas IMHO
TO SAY I KNOW ALL the DETAILS of this unraveling of the tapestry intended BY our praiseworthy founders AND,one SUPPOSES all embers would seek AS WELL.
MAYBE an analyisis of OUR goals would be helpful...strting a thread would mean attention to participants' feedback and the flow of information being unrestricted by embroiling over rights of members to PARTICIPATE and I'D think,even mediate at some level as your schedule would allow.I tr to communicate W reasonable coms as quickly as possible.
MAYBE taking a deep breath,hot bath...read...allow yourself the chance to recall this poster on a discussion is THAT a valued participant...when or by whomever a roundtable started does not matter.THIS is not private property where IF you want to talk to yourself or have a meekly cowed audience you have the option to turn out YOUR GUESTS
GOOD GRIEF this may be taken as harsh but yo should go look and see I posted some facts w references FOR US to CONSIDER and ANALISE TOGETHER.since I joined to discuss AND read and joke around...I stated I did NOT want to make anyone feel judged for holding their own opinion.That doesn't mean CARTE BLANC to try to reign or abuse others.I saw this and had to step away.I am not about to bulldoze anyone for expressing a view in a friendly or even humor-laced roundtable discussion whether they be new or SEASONED w more (one'd hope LOL :-6 ) patience for stumbling a time or two.
WHEREas I DECLINE to go back & forth w the tone I hear when other's post differing view POINTS and I step back I reall get a bad taste in my mouth over seeig what HOPEFULLY WAS INTENDED WELL to ENCOURAGE a DISCUSSION in hopes of fresh knowledge and PERSPECTIVES ...in absence thereof ONE MAY AS WELL go POST YOUR VALUED OPINIONS on the darkside of the MOON.
ok....that was a mouthful & I'm SURE seniors will bellylaugh I had the nerve to go on & on over PROPER ETTIQUETTE LOL but one should keep in mind"ok,HOW would that FEEL if they said that to me?using humor
is on thing FLAT OUT TELLING someone off is selfdestructive as well as ripping off the selvedge/seam of the WORK here.I'd iken it to a tremendously large TAPESTRY.Woemon is the "dark ages as an illustration spent much of heir days at times creating something beautiful AND MEANINGFUL..PLEASE be a PART of that and HOLD YOUR OWN views and express them BUT LET'S not forget our OPINIONS are not a board to hit one's neighbor with...WE are here to playfully or amicably ENGAGE oneanother PLAY is work to enable oneself to live well and treat others w kindness AND gaining new perspectives IS PARAMOUNT if discussion WAS your initial GOAL
PUT a post it note w a smiley face on your screen IF tht's what it takes.I AM NOT SAYING take a hike JUST relax and breathe.Don't forget to NOT sit on op of others as they need to breathe as well???I admire the fact you bothered to post a discussion on a PAINFUL topic.IT IS JUST THAT.Let's NOT make it MORE SO...
take a breather , then read everything from the beginning.:-6
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NOW first I'd like to say !. I am new (seeing what is proper decorum amongst the civilized members & read some RARE doozys unfortunately RE outright rudeness in tone-no joking retorts but meaness ect)
2. I have posted some FACTS W the info to back them up as substantiated as precursor to more discussion of OPINIONS
3. SOME NEWER members of less than 4 mos are BULLYING other members NEW & OLD
4. THIS GARDEN (aptly named 4 diversity)IS for free expression of opinions,art,news/facts AND GOOD OLD HUMOR of ALL levels which IS lst but NOT LEAST. UH MAY HAVE LEFT OUT SUMthing
5. FREE thought & expression in a GARDEN would entail some control to the point wherein ONE'S OWN expression DID NOT PRECLUDE NOR MINIMIZE ANY others for by WHAT means can you POSSIBLY hope TO GROW or CONVEY NEW or FRESH perspectives,styles,art,OR even NEWS(which is atLEAST FILTER AND panders to particular views & Political agendas IMHO
TO SAY I KNOW ALL the DETAILS of this unraveling of the tapestry intended BY our praiseworthy founders AND,one SUPPOSES all embers would seek AS WELL.
MAYBE an analyisis of OUR goals would be helpful...strting a thread would mean attention to participants' feedback and the flow of information being unrestricted by embroiling over rights of members to PARTICIPATE and I'D think,even mediate at some level as your schedule would allow.I tr to communicate W reasonable coms as quickly as possible.
MAYBE taking a deep breath,hot bath...read...allow yourself the chance to recall this poster on a discussion is THAT a valued participant...when or by whomever a roundtable started does not matter.THIS is not private property where IF you want to talk to yourself or have a meekly cowed audience you have the option to turn out YOUR GUESTS
GOOD GRIEF this may be taken as harsh but yo should go look and see I posted some facts w references FOR US to CONSIDER and ANALISE TOGETHER.since I joined to discuss AND read and joke around...I stated I did NOT want to make anyone feel judged for holding their own opinion.That doesn't mean CARTE BLANC to try to reign or abuse others.I saw this and had to step away.I am not about to bulldoze anyone for expressing a view in a friendly or even humor-laced roundtable discussion whether they be new or SEASONED w more (one'd hope LOL :-6 ) patience for stumbling a time or two.
WHEREas I DECLINE to go back & forth w the tone I hear when other's post differing view POINTS and I step back I reall get a bad taste in my mouth over seeig what HOPEFULLY WAS INTENDED WELL to ENCOURAGE a DISCUSSION in hopes of fresh knowledge and PERSPECTIVES ...in absence thereof ONE MAY AS WELL go POST YOUR VALUED OPINIONS on the darkside of the MOON.
ok....that was a mouthful & I'm SURE seniors will bellylaugh I had the nerve to go on & on over PROPER ETTIQUETTE LOL but one should keep in mind"ok,HOW would that FEEL if they said that to me?using humor

PUT a post it note w a smiley face on your screen IF tht's what it takes.I AM NOT SAYING take a hike JUST relax and breathe.Don't forget to NOT sit on op of others as they need to breathe as well???I admire the fact you bothered to post a discussion on a PAINFUL topic.IT IS JUST THAT.Let's NOT make it MORE SO...
take a breather , then read everything from the beginning.:-6
Wendybunny
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rainingsun wrote: In the shadow of "lady liberty", unfortunately someone will also always be making some sort of decision for you. Especially if it's the "land of liberty" that employs you. As a bit of irony our Freedom isn't really unlimited. As long as things like a true majority vote isn't really what elects our president, and congress is allowed to give themselves a raise without raising the minimum wage, it will not change. The term of freedom I think gets handled by our government completely out of context, and needs a definition overhaul. As far as law and abortion is concerned, as with anything else, the controversy is there when the ones it affects speak on deaf ears and disappearing inked letters are somehow the only ones getting to members of local officials. To be honest there are times when you wonder if government seems to think total poverty is a myth. That people aren't really in America unable to feed themselves. Like how the court process doesn't always work and america getting upset, when really the times it doesn't work are because they have the mistakes of the ones who processed it to hide behind. It's there, but there's excuses to legit to do anything about it. I guess I more less get furious when it's claimed we need to fight for the freedoms our forefathers fought so hard to have. Our forefathers fought off the one's already here that truly had their freedom so that they could have a piece of it. The term things come back to you ten fold came into reality when England came over revenging their traitors and somehow no idiot woke up one night and thought "wow, we took it from them, now they want to take it from us......so this is what it feels like...ohhhh....Duhhhh!" At times I feel that as a whole we are truly "Englands Village Idiots". That's like how as a freshman in highschool, during a pep rally kids threw pennies at them, then when those kids were seniors, they did it to the freshman. Everything is a cycle. Makes you wonder sometimes whether we should stop trying to think of what to do if a meteor hits, and just let nature take it's course.There's probably half a dozen or more good thread topics. Any of which I'll be glad to participate in.
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RedGlitter wrote: :wah: Looks like RS finally has a friend. By the way wildfireblue, it's not REDGLITT. As a helpful suggestion for both of you, if you don't like what I or anyone else has to say, no one said you had to. But you do need to be polite and coming on with your big 2 posts and immediately telling members they're stupid was very uncool. Good luck around here.
I'm sorry would that be Queen REDGLITT. Incase you missed that little dot, it's a period. Abbreviation. I believe what I said was along the same line as the things you say. This might be my second post ON HERE, but I didn't find this forum by accident. I don't care what kind of hate thing you and RAIN. have, or what credentials either of you have to back it up. At least I can back up what I say. The funny thing is that you did do one thing successfully, you proved the one person you hate, RAININGSUN, right. You must love this drama because you have just as much of a hard time walking away from it as she does, and unless your willing to you have no right to even touch the keys on the board sitting in front of you. For someone preaching of the fact that you've been here longer, it must be because there are so many more here that are like you, so I will go somewhere else that intelligent life resides. Don't waste your energy responding to this as you do with RAIN., though you do it so often I'm sure it will be tempting, but don't complain that others are attempting to put themselves on a platform when it's just because your ego is too large to share it with anyone else's. Cya! RAININGSUN, I'LL EMAIL YA LATER ON WITH A FORUM I PARTICIPATE IN WE MENTIONED EARLIER THAT I SENT SOME OF YOUR STUFF TO. THEY (U KNOW WHO) LIKED IT AND WOULD LIKE YOUR PARTICIPATION ON SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR.
I'm sorry would that be Queen REDGLITT. Incase you missed that little dot, it's a period. Abbreviation. I believe what I said was along the same line as the things you say. This might be my second post ON HERE, but I didn't find this forum by accident. I don't care what kind of hate thing you and RAIN. have, or what credentials either of you have to back it up. At least I can back up what I say. The funny thing is that you did do one thing successfully, you proved the one person you hate, RAININGSUN, right. You must love this drama because you have just as much of a hard time walking away from it as she does, and unless your willing to you have no right to even touch the keys on the board sitting in front of you. For someone preaching of the fact that you've been here longer, it must be because there are so many more here that are like you, so I will go somewhere else that intelligent life resides. Don't waste your energy responding to this as you do with RAIN., though you do it so often I'm sure it will be tempting, but don't complain that others are attempting to put themselves on a platform when it's just because your ego is too large to share it with anyone else's. Cya! RAININGSUN, I'LL EMAIL YA LATER ON WITH A FORUM I PARTICIPATE IN WE MENTIONED EARLIER THAT I SENT SOME OF YOUR STUFF TO. THEY (U KNOW WHO) LIKED IT AND WOULD LIKE YOUR PARTICIPATION ON SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR.
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Oh, my....another one for the IGNORE list.:rolleyes:
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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Lulu2 wrote: Oh, my....another one for the IGNORE list.:rolleyes:
LOL. YOU WASTED YOUR TIME TO TYPE THAT? NO WONDER I HAD A FUNNY FEELING ABOUT THIS PLACE. YOU GUYS MUST GO THROUGH ALOT OF TISSUES TRYING TO STOP ALL THOSE NOSE BLEEDS. PINKIES UP!
LOL. YOU WASTED YOUR TIME TO TYPE THAT? NO WONDER I HAD A FUNNY FEELING ABOUT THIS PLACE. YOU GUYS MUST GO THROUGH ALOT OF TISSUES TRYING TO STOP ALL THOSE NOSE BLEEDS. PINKIES UP!
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Lulu2 wrote: Oh, my....another one for the IGNORE list.:rolleyes:
since i'm new am I unwelcome to add comments without being put on your ignore list? lol. I can see I picked a lively thread. I'm not new to forums, but I am new to this particular one. This one is like a book you can't really put down for some reason. Haven't quite figured out why yet.
since i'm new am I unwelcome to add comments without being put on your ignore list? lol. I can see I picked a lively thread. I'm not new to forums, but I am new to this particular one. This one is like a book you can't really put down for some reason. Haven't quite figured out why yet.
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I believe in abortion, but i believe also that it is highly abused as a birth control remedy and have seen it's abused usage first hand. I believe it's important to have, but it's important i think, that some restrictions put on it of age, circumstance....case by case ya know. Abortion, if properly pursued requires counseling before it is permitted. They don't just let you go in there and rid yourself of some "mistake". Now I've done work in association with planned parenthood, and if their work is done the way it should be, there is alot of care that goes into something of that nature.
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Accountable wrote: Sorry, you don't get to choose for me. Somebody will always be there to pass judgment on everything you do. Do what you will, but don't think you deserve support, or even acceptance, from me. After all, haven't you passed judgment on people that disagree with you? Yaaaay Freedom!!
you seem to be all "yaaaay freedom'' for yourself, but do you respect a woman's "yaaaay freedom" to have an abortion. It doesn't seem that way. That's how women feel when they say "sorry, you don't get to choose for me". It's the same thing accountable. Now abortion is extremely over used, and maybe that's perspective you're coming from, and if that's the case, then I completely understand. I get that way alot when I have see people over use Gov't assistance. It's a wonderful tool, but people abuse it to the point that the support of having it there is a struggle because of it. It's ridiculous. That probably has more to do with it than anything. The abuse of it (abortion) just makes people furious, and it takes away from the people that truly benefit from it.
you seem to be all "yaaaay freedom'' for yourself, but do you respect a woman's "yaaaay freedom" to have an abortion. It doesn't seem that way. That's how women feel when they say "sorry, you don't get to choose for me". It's the same thing accountable. Now abortion is extremely over used, and maybe that's perspective you're coming from, and if that's the case, then I completely understand. I get that way alot when I have see people over use Gov't assistance. It's a wonderful tool, but people abuse it to the point that the support of having it there is a struggle because of it. It's ridiculous. That probably has more to do with it than anything. The abuse of it (abortion) just makes people furious, and it takes away from the people that truly benefit from it.
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rainingsun---good topic. if anything the viewers of this thread have been astronomical. it needs attention and by the numbers i see, it has. Thankyou. No matter what you think there's always somebody else out there that thinks the way you do. Take noone else down and allow for noone to take you down. i'll share this thread with some others i'm sure will enjoy putting in their 2 cents. there's some neat threads on this forum so coming back here is a sure thing
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socwrkMera wrote: rainingsun---good topic. if anything the viewers of this thread have been astronomical. it needs attention and by the numbers i see, it has. Thankyou. No matter what you think there's always somebody else out there that thinks the way you do. Take noone else down and allow for noone to take you down. i'll share this thread with some others i'm sure will enjoy putting in their 2 cents. there's some neat threads on this forum so coming back here is a sure thing
Why can't someone agree with me when I'm actually around? lol. that sucks. I think sometimes that the reason things don't get the attention that they should is because there are so many things that need attention, the government can't seem to handle it. I think it's that they are too busy fighting with one another to shut up and look around.
Why can't someone agree with me when I'm actually around? lol. that sucks. I think sometimes that the reason things don't get the attention that they should is because there are so many things that need attention, the government can't seem to handle it. I think it's that they are too busy fighting with one another to shut up and look around.
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wildfireblue wrote: I'm sorry would that be Queen REDGLITT. Incase you missed that little dot, it's a period. Abbreviation. I believe what I said was along the same line as the things you say. This might be my second post ON HERE, but I didn't find this forum by accident. I don't care what kind of hate thing you and RAIN. have, or what credentials either of you have to back it up. At least I can back up what I say. The funny thing is that you did do one thing successfully, you proved the one person you hate, RAININGSUN, right. You must love this drama because you have just as much of a hard time walking away from it as she does, and unless your willing to you have no right to even touch the keys on the board sitting in front of you. For someone preaching of the fact that you've been here longer, it must be because there are so many more here that are like you, so I will go somewhere else that intelligent life resides. Don't waste your energy responding to this as you do with RAIN., though you do it so often I'm sure it will be tempting, but don't complain that others are attempting to put themselves on a platform when it's just because your ego is too large to share it with anyone else's. Cya! RAININGSUN, I'LL EMAIL YA LATER ON WITH A FORUM I PARTICIPATE IN WE MENTIONED EARLIER THAT I SENT SOME OF YOUR STUFF TO. THEY (U KNOW WHO) LIKED IT AND WOULD LIKE YOUR PARTICIPATION ON SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR.Passive-aggressive manipulative snipe. If you don't respond to me, obviously my argument shut you up. If you do, my baiting was successful.
No for you to respond to this, since it won't be anything relevant anyway. Besides, there's another forum more right for you, right? Although I noticed that you couldn't stop posting here even after this little goodbye snit.
No for you to respond to this, since it won't be anything relevant anyway. Besides, there's another forum more right for you, right? Although I noticed that you couldn't stop posting here even after this little goodbye snit.
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socwrkMera wrote: you seem to be all "yaaaay freedom'' for yourself, but do you respect a woman's "yaaaay freedom" to have an abortion. It doesn't seem that way. That's how women feel when they say "sorry, you don't get to choose for me". It's the same thing accountable.I've devoted my life to freedom, defending the legal right to abortion on demand, racist hate-speech, and flag burning, though I abhor all of them. Anyone can choose to participate in these activities, but no one can choose my reaction to their choice. See the difference? My respect for freedom is deep and consistent.
socwrkMera wrote: I Now abortion is extremely over used, and maybe that's perspective you're coming from, and if that's the case, then I completely understand. I get that way alot when I have see people over use Gov't assistance. It's a wonderful tool, but people abuse it to the point that the support of having it there is a struggle because of it. It's ridiculous. That probably has more to do with it than anything. The abuse of it (abortion) just makes people furious, and it takes away from the people that truly benefit from it.We agree in this principle.
socwrkMera wrote: I Now abortion is extremely over used, and maybe that's perspective you're coming from, and if that's the case, then I completely understand. I get that way alot when I have see people over use Gov't assistance. It's a wonderful tool, but people abuse it to the point that the support of having it there is a struggle because of it. It's ridiculous. That probably has more to do with it than anything. The abuse of it (abortion) just makes people furious, and it takes away from the people that truly benefit from it.We agree in this principle.
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"Passive-aggressive manipulative snipe. If you don't respond to me, obviously my argument shut you up. If you do, my baiting was successful.
No for you to respond to this, since it won't be anything relevant anyway. Besides, there's another forum more right for you, right? Although I noticed that you couldn't stop posting here even after this little goodbye snit."
:wah:
No for you to respond to this, since it won't be anything relevant anyway. Besides, there's another forum more right for you, right? Although I noticed that you couldn't stop posting here even after this little goodbye snit."

My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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Accountable wrote: Passive-aggressive manipulative snipe. If you don't respond to me, obviously my argument shut you up. If you do, my baiting was successful.
No for you to respond to this, since it won't be anything relevant anyway. Besides, there's another forum more right for you, right? Although I noticed that you couldn't stop posting here even after this little goodbye snit.
neither could redglitter. alot of new people seem to wind up here, what's up with that
No for you to respond to this, since it won't be anything relevant anyway. Besides, there's another forum more right for you, right? Although I noticed that you couldn't stop posting here even after this little goodbye snit.
neither could redglitter. alot of new people seem to wind up here, what's up with that
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wow, redglitter, wildfire...what was the other one....soc somethin'?, they seem to have quite the on going argument, and all seem to keep coming back don't they ? LOL!
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Tis the undeniable attraction of competition that one seeks for success. Are they all women? I'll bet they are, it runs in our veins like diesel fuel. I've gotta read some more of this, this is pretty funny
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And bringing their friends/alternate personalities, perhaps.
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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Lulu2 wrote: And bringing their friends/alternate personalities, perhaps.
alternate personalities?
alternate personalities?
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Lulu2 wrote: And bringing their friends/alternate personalities, perhaps.
ahhhhh ........
darlin' ya could be right if it's what i'm readin. she's bringin in the mob. if they bring pitch forks let me cause i just broke mine i'll thieve an extra and toss it over to ya..just say the word
ahhhhh ........
darlin' ya could be right if it's what i'm readin. she's bringin in the mob. if they bring pitch forks let me cause i just broke mine i'll thieve an extra and toss it over to ya..just say the word
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ya think acctable might need one or is he holdin his own
-speaking of personality, can we put profiles on the forum? I dont know where anything is
-speaking of personality, can we put profiles on the forum? I dont know where anything is
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KARENSVINEYARD wrote: ya think acctable might need one or is he holdin his own
-speaking of personality, can we put profiles on the forum? I dont know where anything isTop left of your screen, look for My Settings. There'll be a list on your left.
-speaking of personality, can we put profiles on the forum? I dont know where anything isTop left of your screen, look for My Settings. There'll be a list on your left.
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KARENSVINEYARD wrote: wow, redglitter, wildfire...what was the other one....soc somethin'?, they seem to have quite the on going argument, and all seem to keep coming back don't they ? LOL!
KarensVineyard, please don't lump me in with those fools. I'm not new here nor am I a troll. I just have an opinionated strong personality that seems to make me a freak magnet for troll attacks. I'm not interested in those other two or three, the problems happening here are their own.
Accountable- thank you. :-4
KarensVineyard, please don't lump me in with those fools. I'm not new here nor am I a troll. I just have an opinionated strong personality that seems to make me a freak magnet for troll attacks. I'm not interested in those other two or three, the problems happening here are their own.

Accountable- thank you. :-4
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RedGlitter wrote: KarensVineyard, please don't lump me in with those fools. I'm not new here nor am I a troll. I just have an opinionated strong personality that seems to make me a freak magnet for troll attacks. I'm not interested in those other two or three, the problems happening here are their own.
Accountable- thank you. :-4
I'm sorry about that. I just started to read some of that and i'm human so i couldn't help a bit of impulsive sarcasm in there. Ironically i suppose a comment like i made would've stirred things up a bit but luckily it already was. I'll just sit and eat my foot a second

Accountable- thank you. :-4
I'm sorry about that. I just started to read some of that and i'm human so i couldn't help a bit of impulsive sarcasm in there. Ironically i suppose a comment like i made would've stirred things up a bit but luckily it already was. I'll just sit and eat my foot a second
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RedGlitter wrote: Accountable- thank you. :-4*touches brim of his hat*
Ma'am
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KARENSVINEYARD wrote: I'm sorry about that. I just started to read some of that and i'm human so i couldn't help a bit of impulsive sarcasm in there. Ironically i suppose a comment like i made would've stirred things up a bit but luckily it already was. I'll just sit and eat my foot a second:yh_think
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i know this thread's on abortion and all, and not a chat room but i read some posts you made after the impulse twitch was over and your just firm on your ideals the same as i can be. i don't want someone jumpin down my throat for knowing where i stand either. if you don't mind i might be asking directions to stuff in here later on because it seems like a maze to me still until i get used to it.
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Accountable wrote: *touches brim of his hat*
Ma'am
Aww...there went my heart. :-4 :-4
Ma'am
Aww...there went my heart. :-4 :-4

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KARENSVINEYARD wrote: i know this thread's on abortion and all, and not a chat room but i read some posts you made after the impulse twitch was over and your just firm on your ideals the same as i can be. i don't want someone jumpin down my throat for knowing where i stand either. if you don't mind i might be asking directions to stuff in here later on because it seems like a maze to me still until i get used to it.Glitter, or me? I'm sure either of us will be glad to help, as will just about anybody here. PM me (send me a private message).
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Accountable wrote: :yh_think
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do i dare ask what that means? :-2
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do i dare ask what that means? :-2
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KARENSVINEYARD wrote: do i dare ask what that means? :-2Thinking ........... then smiling!
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Accountable wrote: Glitter, or me? I'm sure either of us will be glad to help, as will just about anybody here. PM me (send me a private message).
i'm glad you put what PM meant cause i don't know why, but that just looks wrong. lol. in a funny sorta way though. i dont know if redglitter is still on here but i found the profile page, thanks by the way i didn't say that earlier sorry. theres a friend list thing on it, so can i add you to so that i have someone at least somewhat familiar to ask questions to
i'm glad you put what PM meant cause i don't know why, but that just looks wrong. lol. in a funny sorta way though. i dont know if redglitter is still on here but i found the profile page, thanks by the way i didn't say that earlier sorry. theres a friend list thing on it, so can i add you to so that i have someone at least somewhat familiar to ask questions to
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KARENSVINEYARD wrote: i know this thread's on abortion and all, and not a chat room but i read some posts you made after the impulse twitch was over and your just firm on your ideals the same as i can be. i don't want someone jumpin down my throat for knowing where i stand either. if you don't mind i might be asking directions to stuff in here later on because it seems like a maze to me still until i get used to it.
Thanks!
We should get along just fine. That's the cool thing about Forum Garden: people can disagree with your views but still respect and like you anyway. You don't find that very often. It can be confusing around here at first but just click around and you'll get the hang of it. We're always ready to help if needed. 
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KARENSVINEYARD wrote: i'm glad you put what PM meant cause i don't know why, but that just looks wrong. lol. in a funny sorta way though.You're off to a good start. Go here [LINK], click New Thread, and introduce yourself. You'll find lots of new friends.
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RedGlitter wrote: Thanks!
We should get along just fine. That's the cool thing about Forum Garden: people can disagree with your views but still respect and like you anyway. You don't find that very often. It can be confusing around here at first but just click around and you'll get the hang of it. We're always ready to help if needed. :)That's for sure! Red's wrong about almost everything, but we're still buddies. :yh_bigsmi

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thanks abunch! it kinda gets rid of that foreign feeling. i like things like this, but i hate trying navigate and if you're a computer idiot like me you can have as many big signs as possible and still not get through to me without help from SOMEBODY
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Accountable wrote: That's for sure! Red's wrong about almost everything, but we're still buddies. :yh_bigsmi
:wah: That's true about the buddies part, Accountable and I'm happy you feel that way. The feelings are mutual. About the buddies, that is. :-4
:wah: That's true about the buddies part, Accountable and I'm happy you feel that way. The feelings are mutual. About the buddies, that is. :-4