NO GAY MARRIAGE, but GAY COUPLES adopting? Politics or the New Testament?

rainingsun · Post by **rainingsun** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:58 am

Why is it that Gays and Lesbians aren't permitted to marry, yet they are perfectly suitable to adopt a child? The sanctity of marriage, according to President Bush, is held for reproduction and florish a family, is also sacred therefore marriage beyond male and female is prohibited. Now let's think about this......50% of marriages end in divorce.......don't you think maybe it's not working the way it is so maybe it may not hurt to make alittle change?????? Would you rather see a child with a married mom and dad so miserable their kid has post traumatic stress for the rest of their life, or see a child with married same sex parents that winds up just asking more questions in health class???? hmmmmmm.........what's cheaper.....therapy or health class?

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 7:43 am

If Bush allowed gay marriage he would **** off his party and his constituents. In that case he wouldnt have gotten elected or re elected and self interest is his main interest.

Why is govt dictating what we are doing in our own homes anyway ?

Live and let live and mind your own ****ing business.

Lulu2 · Post by **Lulu2** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 7:47 am

Adoptions by same-sex couples are not legal in every state here. Are they legal in other countries?)

cars · Post by **cars** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:36 am

After being raised racist & exceptionally bias by my parents, I was like them until I started to reach adulthood. As I got older, I started to realize just how very wrong my parents ideals were. The older I got, the broader minded I got, and I began to judge people for themselves, and their deeds. Instead of their color, race, or religion, or whatever non conformitity.

Needless to say I was raised to be bias Gay & Lesbian life styles. Oddley, as life would have it, as it turned out, when I was still in the workforce, over time I had several people that worked for me that were gay. I found them to be hard working, trustworthy, loyal, and just down right plain human "nice" people! Nothing wrong with them at all, they just had different orientations! Just reciently I saw an acticle about two lesbian partners, that wanted a child. So one of them donated her eggs to be impregnated by an anonymous doner's sperm. And then the other partner had the eggs implanted into her & she carried the child to full term. That way "both" partners were actually the biological "mother" of the child. Seemed like a ideal way to handle the whole event! Good for them!

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:44 am

cars wrote: After being raised racist & exceptionally bias by my parents, I was like them until I started to reach adulthood. As I got older, I started to realize just how very wrong my parents ideals were. The older I got, the broader minded I got, and I began to judge people for themselves, and their deeds. Instead of their color, race, or religion, or whatever non conformitity.

Needless to say I was raised to be bias Gay & Lesbian life styles. Oddley, as life would have it, as it turned out, when I was still in the workforce, over time I had several people that worked for me that were gay. I found them to be hard working, trustworthy, loyal, and just down right plain human "nice" people! Nothing wrong with them at all, they just had different orientations! Just reciently I saw an acticle about two lesbian partners, that wanted a child. So one of them donated her eggs to be impregnated by an anonymous doner's sperm. And then the other partner had the eggs implanted into her & she carried the child to full term. That way "both" partners were actually the biological "mother" of the child. Seemed like a ideal way to handle the whole event! Good for them!

You "get" it !!!

Not an easy task squirming out from underneath the forcefeeding we have shoveled down our throats growing up.

Overcoming that obstacle and truly thinking for ourselves is a liberation. Many just go on business as usual with out ever really questioning. Salute !

Marie5656 · Post by **Marie5656** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:56 am

The procreating thing is what bugs me. What about heterosexual couples who for medical reasons, or simply personal choice, do not have children, and have no plans to have them..either naturally or by adoption.

If you use the rationale of heterosexual marriage = children..then why not ban marriage for those who do not plan to have children? Seems just as bizarre to me than not letting gays marry.

Straight people divorce, commit crimes, beat thier spouses (and children), and are not always of the best character. There is also adultry, sexual promiscuity everything that is used in the argument against gays marrying.

I say if a couple wants to adopt..let them.

rainingsun · Post by **rainingsun** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:31 am

cars wrote: After being raised racist & exceptionally bias by my parents, I was like them until I started to reach adulthood. As I got older, I started to realize just how very wrong my parents ideals were. The older I got, the broader minded I got, and I began to judge people for themselves, and their deeds. Instead of their color, race, or religion, or whatever non conformitity.

Needless to say I was raised to be bias Gay & Lesbian life styles. Oddley, as life would have it, as it turned out, when I was still in the workforce, over time I had several people that worked for me that were gay. I found them to be hard working, trustworthy, loyal, and just down right plain human "nice" people! Nothing wrong with them at all, they just had different orientations! Just reciently I saw an acticle about two lesbian partners, that wanted a child. So one of them donated her eggs to be impregnated by an anonymous doner's sperm. And then the other partner had the eggs implanted into her & she carried the child to full term. That way "both" partners were actually the biological "mother" of the child. Seemed like a ideal way to handle the whole event! Good for them!

I THINK THAT'S AWSOME! What I said about the choices we make for children, also applies to races. You can have all the races stick with each other all you want to, but keeping them that way would only insure divorce attorneys their job security. For a country built up on what's written in black and white (no pun intended) it sure requires alot of opinions on what the facts are.

rainingsun · Post by **rainingsun** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:52 am

rainingsun wrote: Why is it that Gays and Lesbians aren't permitted to marry, yet they are perfectly suitable to adopt a child? The sanctity of marriage, according to President Bush, is held for reproduction and florish a family, is also sacred therefore marriage beyond male and female is prohibited. Now let's think about this......50% of marriages end in divorce.......don't you think maybe it's not working the way it is so maybe it may not hurt to make alittle change?????? Would you rather see a child with a married mom and dad so miserable their kid has post traumatic stress for the rest of their life, or see a child with married same sex parents that winds up just asking more questions in health class???? hmmmmmm.........what's cheaper.....therapy or health class?

I just wanted to thankyou for your replies to this post. I found this forum by accident just looking for someway to express an opinion or two about some issues that were just bothering me. If not us personally, we all know someone that is in someway dealing with this type of situation whether it's racial, sexual preference, or otherwise and I just think there are too many people in this world afraid to speak up when they have something descently fair to say. I have alot of opinions sometimes that I just feel like I want to scream and until today, I hadn't found an outlet for it. I think the most important thing people sometimes forget is to include a reason for how they feel instead of just saying it. Miscommunication is such a horrible waste of time I think. I'm not always great at it either, but if I didn't experience it I certainly wouldn't know how it felt. So thankyou for the replies, and any more that may follow. I'm not going to just post on something and not come back to hear what people have to say about it whether it's good or bad. I posted for opinions and I will take them regardless. I really liked what you guys had to say. I wish more people out there could be as constructive with what's on their mind as I've read just now. I'll catcha later! April

rainingsun · Post by **rainingsun** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:01 am

Lulu2 wrote: Adoptions by same-sex couples are not legal in every state here. Are they legal in other countries?)

I'm not sure, but chances of it being allowed in other countries is slim. Most other countries, not always to their benefit, are more indulged in a culture they've held for centuries than here in the U.S. That's got me thinking now. I'll have to look it up. Maybe someone else will reply that knows. I'm curious.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:19 am

rainingsun wrote: I'm not sure, but chances of it being allowed in other countries is slim. Most other countries, not always to their benefit, are more indulged in a culture they've held for centuries than here in the U.S. That's got me thinking now. I'll have to look it up. Maybe someone else will reply that knows. I'm curious.Not certain, but I hear that the US is more restrictive than most developed nations. But adoption in general is more culturally acceptable here. Probably something about us being a bunch of mutts or something. :p

zinkyusa · Post by **zinkyusa** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:23 am

Accountable wrote: Not certain, but I hear that the US is more restrictive than most developed nations. But adoption in general is more culturally acceptable here. Probably something about us being a bunch of mutts or something. :p

Sexual orientation has 0 to do with determing if a couple will be good parents. If they can provide a safe and loving enviornment for kids then let them adopt. Those kids will probably be more stable than most kids in this country becuase they will have parents who want them. (He steps down off the soapbox).

zinkyusa · Post by **zinkyusa** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:26 am

Pinky wrote: hear hear.

eh, eh, hard to believe my comment came from redneck central isn't it?

zinkyusa · Post by **zinkyusa** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:30 am

Pinky wrote: I have no idea where Redneck central is, I just agree with your opinion on this.

Oh sorry, North Carolina USA..We can be a bit set in our ways here..

zinkyusa · Post by **zinkyusa** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:36 am

Hamster wrote: Yep!! What the Pinkster said! I'll second that...

Hi furball..

zinkyusa · Post by **zinkyusa** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:42 am

Hamster wrote: Hiya Zinskster....Busy day again then??? :wah:

Yup..

ruula · Post by **ruula** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:07 am

Return to the closet and do yer thing. behind closed doors the butt pirates had a party.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:36 pm

zinkyusa wrote: Sexual orientation has 0 to do with determing if a couple will be good parents. If they can provide a safe and loving enviornment for kids then let them adopt. Those kids will probably be more stable than most kids in this country becuase they will have parents who want them. (He steps down off the soapbox).:DYup! Yup! :yh_clap

Adam Zapple · Post by **Adam Zapple** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:35 pm

NEWS FLASH: FG News has learned that President George Bush can neither allow nor deny gay marriage. That previledge has been granted to the legislature, more specifically the legislature of each individual state, by none other than the constitution. Just as the constitution denies the President any say in the matter, there also seems to be no nod to the judiciary in the matter. Again, it is only the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH that has the constitutional perogative to recognize gay marriage. Now back to your regularly scheduled ranting.....:p

Adam Zapple · Post by **Adam Zapple** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:40 pm

cars wrote: Just reciently I saw an acticle about two lesbian partners, that wanted a child. So one of them donated her eggs to be impregnated by an anonymous doner's sperm. And then the other partner had the eggs implanted into her & she carried the child to full term. That way "both" partners were actually the biological "mother" of the child.

Uh....how does that make both of them the biological mother?

rainingsun · Post by **rainingsun** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:37 pm

zinkyusa wrote: Sexual orientation has 0 to do with determing if a couple will be good parents. If they can provide a safe and loving enviornment for kids then let them adopt. Those kids will probably be more stable than most kids in this country becuase they will have parents who want them. (He steps down off the soapbox).

exactly the point I was making.......(hey...hey....I'm still on the soapbox can you help me down here.....):wah:

rainingsun · Post by **rainingsun** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:40 pm

Adam Zapple wrote: NEWS FLASH: FG News has learned that President George Bush can neither allow nor deny gay marriage. That previledge has been granted to the legislature, more specifically the legislature of each individual state, by none other than the constitution. Just as the constitution denies the President any say in the matter, there also seems to be no nod to the judiciary in the matter. Again, it is only the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH that has the constitutional perogative to recognize gay marriage. Now back to your regularly scheduled ranting.....:p

thanks for the the test of our public broadcasting system there buddy....lol. Even so though, it's still the issue of someone else making these decisions. It's still the same problem with more faces to it. lol.