FBI hunts woman over husband’s hot oil death

woppy71 · Post by **woppy71** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:13 pm

Possibly she has been suffering from long term abuse by her husband?

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:14 pm

they cut our penises off

they dump hot oil on us

women can be so naughty

woppy71 · Post by **woppy71** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 4:15 pm

Nomad wrote: they cut our penises off

they dump hot oil on us

women can be so naughty

Well, it's natural to fear those things we don't understand:-2

cars · Post by **cars** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:07 pm

She had to pour the oil over him, cause she couldn't fit him into the deep fryer!

:rolleyes: :p

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:07 pm

This has to be the result of some deep personal anger for her husband. She obviously had developed an angor toward him, whether it be through abuse, or god knows what would drive someone to do something like this. No one drops boiling cooking oil all over someones head for insurance, thats for sure.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:08 pm

:yh_think

I wonder if he said something about her cooking....

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:12 am

Pinky wrote: Sounds more like Nut Oil to me

I certainly agree with *that*.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:42 am

LOL! What a rude awakening THAT must have been! Thats taking the iron skillet thing a step further!

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:44 am

Raven wrote: LOL! What a rude awakening THAT must have been!

I don't think I fancy having half my skin burnt off and taking a week to die.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:47 am

Me either! But something that extreme has revenge all over it! Either that or she is an absolute nutter. Hope they find the kids! If she could do that to her hubby, God knows what she could do to them!

Uncle Kram · Post by **Uncle Kram** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:22 am

Raven wrote: Me either! But something that extreme has revenge all over it! Either that or she is an absolute nutter. Hope they find the kids! If she could do that to her hubby, God knows what she could do to them!

Well microwaves are quite roomy these days :-3

CheshireCat · Post by **CheshireCat** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:33 am

OMG!! I don't care what he did, no one deserves htat kind of suffering, well, child rapers baby killers deserve that kind of suffering. But as an act of revenge? That's sick!

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:55 am

CheshireCat wrote: OMG!! I don't care what he did, no one deserves htat kind of suffering, well, child rapers baby killers deserve that kind of suffering. But as an act of revenge? That's sick!
I totally agree.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:17 am

It is sick. But a woman can be abused to the point where she goes insane. Then this is what happens. I'm curious as to what drove her to it. This isnt just some insurance thing.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:25 am

Raven wrote: It is sick. But a woman can be abused to the point where she goes insane. Then this is what happens. I'm curious as to what drove her to it. This isnt just some insurance thing.

Hang on a minute. How on earth do do you come (jump?) to that conclusion?

http://homesweethome.wordpress.com/2006 ... -two-kids/

"Neighbors report they had seen no signs of marital discord between the couple, but that the family kept to themselves. Police say they have no previous reports of domestic violence."

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:26 am

I have no doubt it isn't an insurance thing. The movie The Burning Bed shows how a woman can be pushed to the point where she really has no other choice. If a man did this to a woman, would people be so quick to think it was all her fault and that she drove him to it?

Marie5656 · Post by **Marie5656** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:26 am

Raven wrote: It is sick. But a woman can be abused to the point where she goes insane. Then this is what happens. I'm curious as to what drove her to it. This isnt just some insurance thing.

I am curious also. I am also concerned for the safety of the children. Even if she would not do anything to them, if she is at all unstable, for whatever reason, the kids need to be taken care of.

CheshireCat · Post by **CheshireCat** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:32 am

Raven wrote: It is sick. But a woman can be abused to the point where she goes insane. Then this is what happens. I'm curious as to what drove her to it. This isnt just some insurance thing.

I completely agree, but she didn't shoot him or poison him, she cooked him! It's horrifing!

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:36 am

Diuretic wrote: Google the term "battered woman syndrome".

That seems a debunked theory.

http://www.psychologyandlaw.com/battered.htm

In any case, you are making an enormous assumption by mentioning this.

CheshireCat · Post by **CheshireCat** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:42 am

Bill Sikes wrote: That seems a debunked theory.

http://www.psychologyandlaw.com/battered.htm

In any case, you are making an enormous assumption by mentioning this.

My ex hit me so hard that he ruptured my eardrum and I can't hear out of that ear. He went to jail and I left the state, I didn't pour cooking oil over his head. I don't get it. There has to be some mental defect there.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:46 am

Bill Sikes wrote: That seems a debunked theory.

http://www.psychologyandlaw.com/battered.htm

In any case, you are making an enormous assumption by mentioning this.
Nah. It's simple Bill. If it was for insurance or property or whatever, she would have made it look like a natural death or suicide. This chick was making a statement! Like burn in hell!

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:47 am

CheshireCat wrote: My ex hit me so hard that he ruptured my eardrum and I can't hear out of that ear. He went to jail and I left the state, I didn't pour cooking oil over his head. I don't get it. There has to be some mental defect there.

Absolutely!

CheshireCat · Post by **CheshireCat** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:51 am

Raven wrote: Nah. It's simple Bill. If it was for insurance or property or whatever, she would have made it look like a natural death or suicide. This chick was making a statement! Like burn in hell!

You would think if it were that severe of a situation that the neighbors would suspect something. I know that we are a kind of anonymous society, but i know if my neighbour is beating his wife!

CheshireCat · Post by **CheshireCat** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 9:57 am

Diuretic wrote: I'll bet you don't.

Nor would you know the amount of psychological terror being inflicted.
You're right. I know you are, but that makes me very sad. I would like to think that I could help someone in that situation, having been is such a lousy place myself.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:07 am

Diuretic wrote: Debunked theory? Perhaps it is in psychology but then I'm not a psychologist so I'm not referencing if from that view. As a means of buttressing a criminal defence it carries much weight, especially when enjoined with the concept of provocation. What it has esentially done is extended the coverage of provocation to reduce the necessity for immediacy. And it works.

From the paper I referred to:

"Interestingly, in a few cases, the prosecution has been pleased to have the idea of BWS introduced, because the prosecutors then were able to use the BWS evidence in a clever way against the interests of the woman charged with a crime. For example, once BWS is introduced at trial, the prosecution can then argue that the victim engaged in prior violent acts towards the woman, and this serves as a motive for revenge, which is not an excuse for a crime. Also, this BWS evidence may be used to demonstrate that she has lied in the past when she denied her husband beat her to keep him out of jail (most battered women have done this at least once). At trial, she claims a history of beatings, but in the past she denied he beat her. So, whichever is true, she is a liar. This can be used to impeach her credibility before the jury, who may then not believe anything she has to say. The prosecution may also use their own expert witness, a psychologist or psychiatrist, to testify that the woman does not meet all the diagnostic criteria for depression, or anxiety, or perhaps even PTSD, and she is likely malingering or faking her condition. If the jury believes the prosecution's expert, then the woman will likely be impeached. So, if the woman is successful in introducing into evidence her claim she was suffering from BWS, it can backfire on her."

Diuretic wrote: As far as my "enormous assumption" - not at all. I made no claims about this incident, simply a reference to a term that might provide some interesting reading.

Hm. Interesting idea to pull out of the blue!

CheshireCat · Post by **CheshireCat** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:24 am

Bill Sikes wrote: From the paper I referred to:

"Interestingly, in a few cases, the prosecution has been pleased to have the idea of BWS introduced, because the prosecutors then were able to use the BWS evidence in a clever way against the interests of the woman charged with a crime. For example, once BWS is introduced at trial, the prosecution can then argue that the victim engaged in prior violent acts towards the woman, and this serves as a motive for revenge, which is not an excuse for a crime. Also, this BWS evidence may be used to demonstrate that she has lied in the past when she denied her husband beat her to keep him out of jail (most battered women have done this at least once). At trial, she claims a history of beatings, but in the past she denied he beat her. So, whichever is true, she is a liar. This can be used to impeach her credibility before the jury, who may then not believe anything she has to say. The prosecution may also use their own expert witness, a psychologist or psychiatrist, to testify that the woman does not meet all the diagnostic criteria for depression, or anxiety, or perhaps even PTSD, and she is likely malingering or faking her condition. If the jury believes the prosecution's expert, then the woman will likely be impeached. So, if the woman is successful in introducing into evidence her claim she was suffering from BWS, it can backfire on her."

Hm. Interesting idea to pull out of the blue!

I am probably going to get myself in trouble for saying this, but i think the BWS defense is a crock! If you take a life it's murder. I can think of a number of people that drive me nuts on a daily basis, I can't shoot them, can I?

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:44 pm

Bill Sikes wrote:

"Neighbors report they had seen no signs of marital discord between the couple, but that the family kept to themselves. Police say they have no previous reports of domestic violence."

Thats a rather contradicting statement to say the least.

"Family kept to themselves"

yet

"Neighbors report they had seen no signs of marital discord between the couple"

:yh_think

"Kept to themselves" usually means not letting the neighbors know anything in my book....

pantsonfire321@aol.com · Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:31 am

In India its common practise to throw acid in a persons face as an act of revenge - there have been many many many incidents . Hot oil ,acid there both terrible - also, apparently here in the UK prisoners often use the boiling water and suger method when they want to maim another prisoner .

Would anyone feel differently if it turned out the guy was a nonce .

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:56 am

pantsonfire321@aol.com wrote: Would anyone feel differently if it turned out the guy was a nonce .

I don't know. What is a "nonce"? Is there any further real news on this, rather

than a lot of what ifs and guessing?

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:24 am

Maybe he was molesting their children and not necessarily beating her.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:34 am

DesignerGal wrote: Maybe he was molesting their children and not necessarily beating her.

Maybe he caught her eating a kidnapped child after flaying it alive, and she

killed him in this horrible manner to remove the witness and plead "insanity".

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:36 am

Bill Sikes wrote: Maybe he caught her eating a kidnapped child after flaying it alive, and she

killed him in this horrible manner to remove the witness and plead "insanity".

I dont think my theory is that far fetched.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:45 am

DesignerGal wrote: I dont think my theory is that far fetched.

Maybe her husbant had a secret hoard of money, and was tortured by a gang

who then made off with dear Edna and the kids in case they could make them

talk?

Any ideas like these are just theory, and you have the same evidence as I.

Your theory is just as far-fetched. Hey! Let's have a witch-hunt, or else say

she was a monster, eh!

Anyway:

http://www.everprivatebrowser.com/cgi-b ... 248723.htm

That URL's bust, try:

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/15248723.htm

Shweet tatersalad · Post by **Shweet tatersalad** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:47 am

Look abuse works both ways,We don't know the whole story.I'm sure when she is caught she will have plenty of excuses.

This could happen anywhere.

My wife would do it too me with out hesitation.It happens over and over,they get Together,get along great,then they get married,things get old,the hate creeps in and before long you dred the very day you ever met that person.

No one has ever hated me like my wife does.If she ever wins alot of money,I am dead man.

But of course it will be my fault,wifes are inocent,men have no rights,ask anyone paying child support.

Adam Zapple · Post by **Adam Zapple** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:50 am

It is quite interesting how we, as a society, immediately look for explainable motives when a woman kills her husband. We are quick to believe "it must have been" a result of abuse on his part. However, if a husband kills his wife we all take the "string him up" position. I happen to know, as a result of my line of work, that spousal abuse of husbands is far more common than most people realize. But since the man is supposed to be the stronger of the sexes, we tend to laugh it off or minimize the abuse or even make excuses for it - "he had it coming", "he must have done something to deserve it".

This man was cooked alive and spent a week in unimaginable agony. It's possible he was sadistically abusive. It's also possible that he married an abusive spouse. We just don't know. No offense to anyone, but I find it just a little disturbing that anyone would chuckle at the specter of anyone being boiled alive. I suspect if this story was about a man who did this to his wife this thread would be full of angry emoticons with plenty of expletives directed toward the man who would do such a thing. I just wonder why we are so light-hearted about abuse of husbands. It really does happen-more often than you think. No wonder most men don't report it, they know they would become laughing stocks.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:50 am

Shweet tatersalad wrote: Look abuse works both ways,We don't know the whole story.I'm sure when she is caught she will have plenty of excuses.

This could happen anywhere.

My wife would do it too me with out hesitation.It happens over and over,they get Together,get along great,then they get married,things get old,the hate creeps in and before long you dred the very day you ever met that person.

No one has ever hated me like my wife does.If she ever wins alot of money,I am dead man.

But of course it will be my fault,wifes are inocent,men have no rights,ask anyone paying child support.
Child support. Now that would be a great new thread.

CheshireCat · Post by **CheshireCat** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:55 am

Shweet tatersalad wrote: Look abuse works both ways,We don't know the whole story.I'm sure when she is caught she will have plenty of excuses.

This could happen anywhere.

My wife would do it too me with out hesitation.It happens over and over,they get Together,get along great,then they get married,things get old,the hate creeps in and before long you dred the very day you ever met that person.

No one has ever hated me like my wife does.If she ever wins alot of money,I am dead man.

But of course it will be my fault,wifes are inocent,men have no rights,ask anyone paying child support.

Oh Tater! i can't believe that your wife hates you! I know things get old, but I can't believe it could be that bad. Then again, I've never been married.

And as far as the child support thing, I am right there with you! A man will go to jail if he doesn't have a job, the woman can do whatever she pleases, work, don't work, keep having bastard children.. I think the kids should be taken care of, of course, but the women should held accountable as well.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:56 am

Shweet tatersalad wrote: We don't know the whole story.

Absolutely. What do we know?

The man seems to have been killed by someone pouring boiling oil on him.

The woman disappeared with two children.

The car was found.

The woman went to a police station, was arrested and charge, and locked up.

That's it.

Hancock County Sheriff Steve Garber said "local and national media attention,

and tips from the public, may have been factors in Sanders' decision to turn

herself in.

The media stepped up and so did the public but now, let's try her in the courts and not the press."

Shweet tatersalad · Post by **Shweet tatersalad** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:02 am

Love is grand,divorce is about 50 grand.Just kill him.

CheshireCat · Post by **CheshireCat** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:06 am

Shweet tatersalad wrote: Love is grand,divorce is about 50 grand.Just kill him.

Just live in "sin", that way you can just leave when things get bad.