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BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:51 pm

The growing "PC" attitude I see creeping in here.

I have no patience for anything PC as most of you know, and when I see people becoming "offended" at thread titles or content, or comments and members trying to tell other members how they should post, what they should name their threads, picking apart posts and each other over assumed slights and imagined insults, well, I get a bit riled. This is a forum of good, mostly friendly people with much to share with each other. When we start getting ticked off at our friends for what we perceive to be an insulting air to anything that is written I have to start wondering: When do the massive, unchangeable censoring demands begin?

Yeah...that ticks me off a LOT.

King Terry · Post by **King Terry** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:10 pm

Silly people asking waht sets me of .... hahahahahahahaha:wah:

koan · Post by **koan** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:16 pm

When facts are insisted to not be facts without contrary evidence.

eg) If someone says polls show 39% of people.... then someone else says "that's bull" without showing evidence of different numbers.

I also get riled when an informative post is met only with personal labeling and the facts never get addressed.

King Terry · Post by **King Terry** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:26 pm

koan wrote: When facts are insisted to not be facts without contrary evidence.

eg) If someone says polls show 39% of people.... then someone else says "that's bull" without showing evidence of different numbers.

I also get riled when an informative post is met only with personal labeling and the facts never get addressed.

Is that a fact :wah: :wah:

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:27 pm

King Terry wrote: Silly people asking waht sets me of .... hahahahahahahaha:wah:
:wah: *high-fives KT*

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:37 pm

Well since I'm always a day late and a dollar short I haven't noticed the tension but by the time I get here in the evening everyone has gone to bed or logged off...:-3

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:41 pm

I think the majority of posts here are made in good fun, a little pun now and then, unless it is specifically on a serious thread topic.

I think tensions rise, when certain individual(s) stir the pot, as the saying goes.

The newest tensions that have occured seem to be misunderstandings of something-let's be realistic, sometimes we say something and it perceived differently by someone from another culture/country/etc.

I do not think we do it on purpose, because if it was a real inflammatory post, it is quickly spotted by many.

koan · Post by **koan** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:42 pm

I hadn't noticed much tension lately. It's a comparative thing, I suppose.

jbbarker1947 · Post by **jbbarker1947** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:08 pm

Rumors. Hate rumers. Very distructive. For example "I never said your wife had a mole on her #ss. I said it felt like she had a mole on her A*&" That's just how rumors get started.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:18 pm

chonsigirl wrote: The newest tensions that have occured seem to be misunderstandings of something-let's be realistic, sometimes we say something and it perceived differently by someone from another culture/country/etc.
....

What do I see wrong with that? We are, for the most part, all on here every day. We know each other, and each other's online personalities pretty well, I think. So why, if I could inquire, do people look at a post made by someone they know and assume it's meant in an insulting way when that is not the person's M.O.???

If it were a certain recently absent (thank God) member making these posts, or the one doing the nit-picking, I could understand it, but for the love of Christ, people, we KNOW each other better than this!! Why are we all of a sudden so quick to jump on each other for this stupid crap???

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:07 pm

Okay Guys. I've read this. I suggest that if someone had started a thread "Damn all Americans" - and then gone on to poke fun, even in the nicest way, a couple of you would have seen red. But maybe I'm wrong, perhaps we'd have all had a good natured laugh.

I don't have a PC bone in my body. But I do like fairness and think that there are times when one should speak out.

However, I am touchy and tired at the moment, I know. It's un-Aussie to spill out personal stuff in a public forum. But I am tending to walk into things, so maybe my judgement is off here too.

koan · Post by **koan** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:31 pm

Perhaps we can come up with a copy/paste post that can be offered when we feel like snapping?

edit to add: not directed at any specific poster and thinking this is really a good idea.

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:47 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: What sets you off in here until your head nearly explodes? Obviously personal attacks such as name calling or insulting insinuations about family members get most of us hot under the collar. But what else?

Nothing much now...I have learnt to accept the ups and downs and the differences in cultures.......except......harping back to past hurts and conflicts. Can't see the point, life's too short to waste time on negativity and it messes up your good karma. Luckily I have only been personally attacked twice here and one person is now banned and the other an infrequent visitor. :yh_yinyan

theia · Post by **theia** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:51 pm

AussiePam wrote: Okay Guys. I've read this. I suggest that if someone had started a thread "Damn all Americans" - and then gone on to poke fun, even in the nicest way, a couple of you would have seen red. But maybe I'm wrong, perhaps we'd have all had a good natured laugh.

I don't have a PC bone in my body. But I do like fairness and think that there are times when one should speak out.

However, I am touchy and tired at the moment, I know. It's un-Aussie to spill out personal stuff in a public forum. But I am tending to walk into things, so maybe my judgement is off here too.

A thousand of these :yh_hugs to one of my favourite people :-4

cherandbuster · Post by **cherandbuster** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:36 am

koan wrote: I hadn't noticed much tension lately. It's a comparative thing, I suppose.

I agree with Koan.

What makes this forum great (and the main reason it's my favorite) is that there *is* occasional tension amongst the ranks. It's an exchange of ideas and opinions, folks.

If you want vanilla, go somewhere else.

Uncle Kram · Post by **Uncle Kram** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:16 am

SnoozeControl wrote: I meant this as a serious question. There seems to be an awful lot of (what I consider unnecessary) tension in here lately, and I'd like to be aware what I should avoid in my posts, if at all possible.

However, I completely agree with BR's comments. I refuse to be censored for the benefit of the followers of political correctness. Hopefully there's a happy medium. (and no Uncle Kram, I'm not talking about a smiling fortune teller.):rolleyes:

Oh dear - I've been out-Krammied :wah:

By the way - I also agree with BR

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:19 am

jbbarker1947 wrote: Rumors. Hate rumers. Very distructive. For example "I never said your wife had a mole on her #ss. I said it felt like she had a mole on her A*&" That's just how rumors get started.:yh_rotfl

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:19 am

Clancy wrote: 1. Old moth eaten dog eared, ancient, out dated, past it's sell by date, stereotyping . It's like being told the same joke that fell out of a Christmas cracker found in a house that hasn't been lived in since 1949.

2. Having someone muck your country up (No matter which one it is) post after post without even a glimmer of humour or wit, or humanity, thrown in for good measure. It's went past boring, and turning left at, take a hike. We know what's good and bad about our respective countries, because some of us are now middle aged or older. Offer a plan on how you'd see it better , not some diatribe we've already heard a million times on what's bad.

3. People who think it's wrong to stand up for yourself because it might effect the whole forum, when in actual fact, it's needs to be done, dusted and settled, and makes the board strong instead of weak. It also prohibits the self appointed moral guardians from gaining foot holds, and thus inhibiting many less inclined from saying what they really want to say on any given topic without being pounced on for having an alternative viewpoint.

:yh_clap :yh_clap

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:23 am

BabyRider wrote: The growing "PC" attitude I see creeping in here.

I have no patience for anything PC as most of you know, and when I see people becoming "offended" at thread titles or content, or comments and members trying to tell other members how they should post, what they should name their threads, picking apart posts and each other over assumed slights and imagined insults, well, I get a bit riled. This is a forum of good, mostly friendly people with much to share with each other. When we start getting ticked off at our friends for what we perceive to be an insulting air to anything that is written I have to start wondering: When do the massive, unchangeable censoring demands begin?

Yeah...that ticks me off a LOT.

I thought we were offering our opinions ....can't say I've seen any 'demands' . Come to think of it, I've seen you pretty offended by pretty inoffensive remarks in the past BR. Seems to me that the 'meek' are speaking up....and people don't like it.

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:27 am

SnoozeControl wrote: However, I completely agree with BR's comments. I refuse to be censored for the benefit of the followers of political correctness. Hopefully there's a happy medium. (and no Uncle Kram, I'm not talking about a smiling fortune teller.):rolleyes:

Who's trying to censor stuff ?.......now who's getting tetchy over nothing. Can't we debate and discuss anything around here anymore. YOu know I.....oh forget it.

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:27 am

Bez wrote: I thought we were offering our opinions ....can't say I've seen any 'demands' . Come to think of it, I've seen you pretty offended by pretty inoffensive remarks in the past BR. Seems to me that the 'meek' are speaking up....and people don't like it.

Didn't you say yourself you thought that post in the gun grabbers thread

was pretty bad? (I didn't get a link but I'm sure you know what one I'm

referring to)

Or how about being called ignorant and told you're going to have a nervous

breakdown in a couple of days? Do you think that is "pretty inoffensive"?

I sure as heck don't.

minks · Post by **minks** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:31 am

Plaid really offends me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:32 am

minks wrote: Plaid really offends me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:37 am

I would probably get in more arguments with all you people but I reckon i cant type well enough to win any of them.

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:39 am

valerie wrote: Didn't you say yourself you thought that post in the gun grabbers thread

was pretty bad? (I didn't get a link but I'm sure you know what one I'm

referring to)

Or how about being called ignorant and told you're going to have a nervous

breakdown in a couple of days? Do you think that is "pretty inoffensive"?

I sure as heck don't.

I didn't even look at the gun grabbers thread, let alone post in it.

Also what you quoted WAS NOT SAID BY ME Val. You must be mixing me up with someone else....

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:39 am

YZGI wrote: I would probably get in more arguments with all you people but I reckon i cant type well enough to win any of them.

Yet another one!

:yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl

DesignerGal · Post by **DesignerGal** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:42 am

I like plaid, but floral prints, specifically in the colors of pink and green offend me.

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:42 am

Bez wrote: I didn't even look at the gun grabbers thread, let alone post in it.

Also what you quoted WAS NOT SAID BY ME Val. You must be mixing me up with someone else....

I know it wasn't said by you, you misunderstand. I meant that you said

BR was offended by pretty inoffensive things, and those are 2 recent

things that I thought WERE pretty offensive. I'll go try and find what

you said about the other statement. It wasn't IN the gun grabbers

thread, it was another one where someone TOLD you what was said.

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 11:52 am

Bez wrote: I didn't even look at the gun grabbers thread, let alone post in it.

Also what you quoted WAS NOT SAID BY ME Val. You must be mixing me up with someone else....

Here's the link to your post, Bez, last paragraph is what I'm referring to.

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showp ... stcount=63

Okay? You are ashamed that another human being can make such

comments knowing BR's circumstances.

That's all I was getting at.

minks · Post by **minks** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:21 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: What sets you off in here until your head nearly explodes? Obviously personal attacks such as name calling or insulting insinuations about family members get most of us hot under the collar. But what else?

TOPIC see above

Here is an idea, let's stick to the topic and not bring forward other people, incidents or posts. Ok!!! Valid question, good debate BUT lets keep our enemies out of this.... I KNOW for a fact there are others on the garden forum who do not see eye to eye and never will and have a history of it, but guess what they are able to keep from mud slinging. Please please we need to put these topics back into perspective. Bottom Line. It grows tiring seeing the same ugliness in thread after thread.

Bez had a GREAT point, lets discuss this as a discussion.

theia · Post by **theia** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:25 pm

Val, I've read and re-read your post and I think I'm misunderstanding what you're saying because you surely can't think that Bez was referring to the gun thread comments about BR as pretty inoffensive.

Please tell me I've misread your post.

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:27 pm

Point taken, Minks.

Then to submit something to the topic of discussion (although greater

minds than mine tell me thread drift is quite common and even expected)

I guess I have to say: What inflames me personally is people who attack

people. In most cases, without provocation. And won't back down despite

repeated requests to do so.

minks · Post by **minks** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:29 pm

valerie wrote: Point taken, Minks.

Then to submit something to the topic of discussion (although greater

minds than mine tell me thread drift is quite common and even expected)

I guess I have to say: What inflames me personally is people who attack

people. In most cases, without provocation. And won't back down despite

repeated requests to do so.

Yes clapps hands me as well

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:33 pm

theia wrote: Val, I've read and re-read your post and I think I'm misunderstanding what you're saying because you surely can't think that Bez was referring to the gun thread comments about BR as pretty inoffensive.

Please tell me I've misread your post.

Bez hasn't come back to say what comments she was referring to, I was

just pointing out some ones in the recent past that WERE offensive.

Posting that link to her previous post I know she didn't think the gun

grabber thread was inoffensive, but I guess she forgot she posted that.

Anyway, Theia, I'm going to bow out now. I'm going to try to just take a

cue from some here, members who I respect, and just LET IT GO.

:-6

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:09 pm

Me. I just really make me mad. God !

If it werent for me Id really enjoy myself here. :-5

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:13 pm

:wah: Oh my gosh, Nomad!

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:30 pm

Bez wrote: I thought we were offering our opinions ....can't say I've seen any 'demands' . Come to think of it, I've seen you pretty offended by pretty inoffensive remarks in the past BR. Seems to me that the 'meek' are speaking up....and people don't like it.

Maybe you've missed what I'm referring to then, Bez. Could you point out to me where I've become offended at something someone has said and I was wrong to be offended? It takes quite a bit to tick me off, and Jives doesn't count. He was flaming and baiting purposely.

I have no problem with the "meek" (whatever that means) speaking up, what I do have a problem with is people getting all up in arms about petty stuff they should know is meant certain ways. Like I said, we all know each other here pretty good and I can't begin to understand why some get so worked up about stupid crap.

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:43 pm

valerie wrote: Bez hasn't come back to say what comments she was referring to, I was

just pointing out some ones in the recent past that WERE offensive.

Posting that link to her previous post I know she didn't think the gun

grabber thread was inoffensive, but I guess she forgot she posted that.

Anyway, Theia, I'm going to bow out now. I'm going to try to just take a

cue from some here, members who I respect, and just LET IT GO.

:-6

Val, I've been out for the evening, just got home which is why I'm only just replying....so

Where I have thought things were offensive I've said so eg. the remark to BR in the 'Gun grabber' thread which I didn't read in it's entirerity only the post i was pointed to. BR had every right to be offended.....and yes I DID forget I posted that response.

valerie wrote: Or how about being called ignorant and told you're going to have a nervous

breakdown in a couple of days? Do you think that is "pretty inoffensive"?

I sure as heck don't.

I'm sorry but I don't recall reading this ....but it is offensive in my book.

BR...when I said that you got ticked off by inoffensive things in the past I wasn't referring to recent things, and as I can't quote what I believe I saw or paste a link, I haven't got a leg to stand on so I'll retract what i said.

If people are overly sensitive and take umbridge at words, phrases, titles, comments then so be it...."one mans meat is another mans poison" so they say but they still have the right to express how they feel.

It seems prudent to bow out now..I'm sad I've lost someones respect that I much admire....

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:47 pm

Who's respect have you lost Bez? Certainly not mine, if that's who you mean. I just recently told someone else here that while I may not always agree with some things people say, and nothing at all others say, I always respect a person's right to say it. Disagreeing with me or what I think does not preclude my respect or friendship. I sure hope you don't mean me.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:50 pm

Want me to slam Bezzy down to the ground and tickle her till she cries br ?

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:15 pm

Bez, I hope you don't mean ME, either, I still have the utmost respect

for you and your thoughts... YOU haven't said anything offensive that

I can recall.

You have an awful lot on YOUR plate right now, too, and I only hope

you realize that there are many people here pulling for you, and I

DO include myself.

Whatever you have said hasn't been enough to stop me from doing

THAT, okay?

>

Marie5656 · Post by **Marie5656** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:27 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: Hopefully there's a happy medium. (and no Uncle Kram, I'm not talking about a smiling fortune teller.):rolleyes:

Oh, but I like that show..every Monday night.

koan · Post by **koan** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 9:28 pm

Here's my copy/paste suggestion. It is polite but to the point. Any time you find yourself aggravated and about to post emotional objection write the following and it will be a "code" message for "I'm pissed off", no response necessary.

While I'd love to see your point of view, I can't get my head that far up my ass.