He wouldnt understand being stripped of the crown, yet he understands in what way the middle finger is used?
Damn right, strip the kid of the crown, and tell the parents its their fault. We got beat for using such filth, especially at four years old. Not because its just "the middle finger", but because it represents distaste and ignorance. He learned it from somewhere, and the parents should take full responsibility in my opinion.
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Kids copy adults and love doing things that they know get a reaction. He probably saw someone do it and thought it funny just as many kids will use swearwords they have heard outside and don't understand because they know it winds up the adults. Most normal people probably laughed at it.
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"Most normal people probably laughed at it."
I certainly did! What a story he'll have, later in life! :wah:
I certainly did! What a story he'll have, later in life! :wah:
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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gmc wrote: Kids copy adults and love doing things that they know get a reaction. He probably saw someone do it and thought it funny just as many kids will use swearwords they have heard outside and don't understand because they know it winds up the adults. Most normal people probably laughed at it.
I think it all depends in what way the kid actually did this. Yes, if he did it in the away in which you have described, it may not be such a big deal to anyone with the least bit of a sense of humor. Ive grown up in back allys, and have seen too much disgust. Middle finger, cussing, dirty jean punks who do anything to instigate a fight. People who grow up with no respect for anything, and I look upon it with distaste. Class is better than an education in my opinion, and you sure as hell dont get class from a kid who flips people off with no regard to their integrity.
I think it all depends in what way the kid actually did this. Yes, if he did it in the away in which you have described, it may not be such a big deal to anyone with the least bit of a sense of humor. Ive grown up in back allys, and have seen too much disgust. Middle finger, cussing, dirty jean punks who do anything to instigate a fight. People who grow up with no respect for anything, and I look upon it with distaste. Class is better than an education in my opinion, and you sure as hell dont get class from a kid who flips people off with no regard to their integrity.
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Yes...and this kid is four years old! He might've seen someone do it once and totally misunderstood why people laughed. Kids learn fairly early that swear words and adult gestures have great power..much to the mortification of their parents.....
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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Lulu2 wrote: Yes...and this kid is four years old! He might've seen someone do it once and totally misunderstood why people laughed. Kids learn fairly early that swear words and adult gestures have great power..much to the mortification of their parents.....
I was fighting at age 7.....and seen 4 year olds cuss like a sailor. You would be amazed at how young you see distaste in inner city life.....if you havnt already.
I was fighting at age 7.....and seen 4 year olds cuss like a sailor. You would be amazed at how young you see distaste in inner city life.....if you havnt already.
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As a mom, I can remember, (though it's a bit foggy) when my son was 4. Had he done something like this then, I would have laughed my ass off. You can't shelter kids from harsh reality, and the fact that people use cuss words and obscene gestures is one of those realities. Do I encourage it? No, but it's not the end of the world either. I've got more important things to worry about with him, such as, is he going to get into college, is he going to experiment with drugs and sex, (or, more accurately--when) and teaching him to be safe in those aspects. A middle finger is not the end of the world. It's really not even a blip on this mom's radar.
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Exactly! I remember my daughter being about this age and announcing at a dinner party that she knew "what grown-ups say when they get mad. S##T!"
If you pay a lot of attention to that sort of thing, they begin to see the POWER of it and then, you've lost. Bushing it off is the best way to manage....and THEN you go into the next room and LYAO!
If you pay a lot of attention to that sort of thing, they begin to see the POWER of it and then, you've lost. Bushing it off is the best way to manage....and THEN you go into the next room and LYAO!
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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If my son had done something of the kind I would have been utterly ashamed of myself for not instilling better behaviour into him, utterly ashamed of myself for the shame he had brought on our whole family by having such an objectionable little horror, and utterly ashamed of HIM for what he had done.
He would not have sat down for a week and all of his toys would have gone up in smoke. Really. Every single one.
I found the deliberate cold and total destruction of a favourite toy the most wonderful means of getting a message of extreme disapproval across to my kids. I didn’t have to do it more than twice with each of them, but my life it worked.
Bad behaviour in children at that age is generally associated with badly behaved parents.
The organisers did exactly the right thing by stripping him of his “titleâ€.
I only hope his parents do exactly the right thing when they get the little horror home.
He would not have sat down for a week and all of his toys would have gone up in smoke. Really. Every single one.
I found the deliberate cold and total destruction of a favourite toy the most wonderful means of getting a message of extreme disapproval across to my kids. I didn’t have to do it more than twice with each of them, but my life it worked.
Bad behaviour in children at that age is generally associated with badly behaved parents.
The organisers did exactly the right thing by stripping him of his “titleâ€.
I only hope his parents do exactly the right thing when they get the little horror home.
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golem wrote: If my son had done something of the kind I would have been utterly ashamed of myself for not instilling better behaviour into him, utterly ashamed of myself for the shame he had brought on our whole family by having such an objectionable little horror, and utterly ashamed of HIM for what he had done.
He would not have sat down for a week and all of his toys would have gone up in smoke. Really. Every single one.
I found the deliberate cold and total destruction of a favourite toy the most wonderful means of getting a message of extreme disapproval across to my kids. I didn’t have to do it more than twice with each of them, but my life it worked.
Bad behaviour in children at that age is generally associated with badly behaved parents.
The organisers did exactly the right thing by stripping him of his “titleâ€.
I only hope his parents do exactly the right thing when they get the little horror home.
I still woulda' laughed my ass off!!!
He would not have sat down for a week and all of his toys would have gone up in smoke. Really. Every single one.
I found the deliberate cold and total destruction of a favourite toy the most wonderful means of getting a message of extreme disapproval across to my kids. I didn’t have to do it more than twice with each of them, but my life it worked.
Bad behaviour in children at that age is generally associated with badly behaved parents.
The organisers did exactly the right thing by stripping him of his “titleâ€.
I only hope his parents do exactly the right thing when they get the little horror home.
I still woulda' laughed my ass off!!!
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Well our Queen would never act like that,
she knows where to put her finger.
she knows where to put her finger.
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BabyRider wrote: I still woulda' laughed my ass off!!!
To be perfectly honest, if it was someone else's kid, so would I!
To be perfectly honest, if it was someone else's kid, so would I!
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The news story didn't put his gesture into context so it's hard to know what I would have done had this been my child. Maybe he was just scratching his nose.
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Not too long ago, the pageant officials wouldn't have had to do anything. The parents would have apologized for their child and removed her from the competition so the runner-up could have the crown.
I wonder if the officials gave the parents that chance.
I wonder if the officials gave the parents that chance.
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Adam Zapple says "Maybe he was just scratching his nose."
OR NOSE MINING? :wah:
OR NOSE MINING? :wah:
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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Ummmm...golem....do you actually HAVE children? Because I can tell you, that..as far as parenthood is concerned, we can have a plan but, in many cases, we do NOT have control!
And much of what children do is designed to deliberately make us F#$%ing crazy!
And all our careful plans and philosophies and learned behaviors don't mean SQUAT!
And much of what children do is designed to deliberately make us F#$%ing crazy!
And all our careful plans and philosophies and learned behaviors don't mean SQUAT!
My candle's burning at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--It gives a lovely light!--Edna St. Vincent Millay
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Lulu2 wrote: Ummmm...golem....do you actually HAVE children? Because I can tell you, that..as far as parenthood is concerned, we can have a plan but, in many cases, we do NOT have control!
And much of what children do is designed to deliberately make us F#$%ing crazy!
And all our careful plans and philosophies and learned behaviors don't mean SQUAT!
I have two kids, now both adults. I also have 5 grandchildren.
My kids were brought up in a home with rules. Also a house in which they knew that they were loved, treasured for their selves, and really cared for and about. The house rules were clear, distinct, fair, and upheld. They knew exactly what was and what was NOT permitted and like all kids frequently tested the limits.
If my wife or myself told them “If you do X then Y†we ALWAYS made sure that if they DID X then Y did happen. Consistency for a child is essential.
That is why I get so concerned when I hear a parent tell a kid “If yiou do that again then I’ll ---“ and when the little horror DOES “it†again nothing gets done. Kids are not stupid. They soon learn that the threat is more often than not simply an empty thing and so when they are told of other consequences of their actions they don’t work on the principle that the consequences will result. That way lies bad behaviour.
(In my travels I’ve seen this most often in the UK and in the USA, both countries that I consider have the rudest and worst behaved children that I have ever seen in any other country bar none.)
But back to us. Because the house rules were strictly defined and were strictly and consistently enforced our two learned right from when they were toddling that no meant no, yes meant yes, and not doing what they were told had consequences.
They also learned that good behaviour brought rewards just as surely as bad behaviour brought punishment.
We took the view that our responsibility to our kids was multifold and not simply to keep them safe, healthy, and happy. We both understood the need to educate, train, and socialize them, in other words to make them fit to be in society.
As teens they were of course rebellious. They did things, they got caught, they paid the price. I have no doubt that they both did some things for which they did NOT get caught, just as I did myself as a young man, but after all, that’s life. There were the odd occasions when I chose NOT to know as they became late teens, but never over anything serious.
The time they spent in the army taught them the difference between challenging what was simply not right and challenging simply because they wanted to. It was for them a tremendously valuable period in their lives.
I fully endorse compulsory National Service in an armed force for all kids as part of both their education as well as for their character formation and of course for the benefit of the nation to which they belong. It gives a person a sense OF belonging, of worth, and responsibility.
I am pleased to say that they are bringing their kids up in exactly the same home and social environment as they were brought up themselves. No one can ask for a better compliment than that from their kids.
And much of what children do is designed to deliberately make us F#$%ing crazy!
And all our careful plans and philosophies and learned behaviors don't mean SQUAT!
I have two kids, now both adults. I also have 5 grandchildren.
My kids were brought up in a home with rules. Also a house in which they knew that they were loved, treasured for their selves, and really cared for and about. The house rules were clear, distinct, fair, and upheld. They knew exactly what was and what was NOT permitted and like all kids frequently tested the limits.
If my wife or myself told them “If you do X then Y†we ALWAYS made sure that if they DID X then Y did happen. Consistency for a child is essential.
That is why I get so concerned when I hear a parent tell a kid “If yiou do that again then I’ll ---“ and when the little horror DOES “it†again nothing gets done. Kids are not stupid. They soon learn that the threat is more often than not simply an empty thing and so when they are told of other consequences of their actions they don’t work on the principle that the consequences will result. That way lies bad behaviour.
(In my travels I’ve seen this most often in the UK and in the USA, both countries that I consider have the rudest and worst behaved children that I have ever seen in any other country bar none.)
But back to us. Because the house rules were strictly defined and were strictly and consistently enforced our two learned right from when they were toddling that no meant no, yes meant yes, and not doing what they were told had consequences.
They also learned that good behaviour brought rewards just as surely as bad behaviour brought punishment.
We took the view that our responsibility to our kids was multifold and not simply to keep them safe, healthy, and happy. We both understood the need to educate, train, and socialize them, in other words to make them fit to be in society.
As teens they were of course rebellious. They did things, they got caught, they paid the price. I have no doubt that they both did some things for which they did NOT get caught, just as I did myself as a young man, but after all, that’s life. There were the odd occasions when I chose NOT to know as they became late teens, but never over anything serious.
The time they spent in the army taught them the difference between challenging what was simply not right and challenging simply because they wanted to. It was for them a tremendously valuable period in their lives.
I fully endorse compulsory National Service in an armed force for all kids as part of both their education as well as for their character formation and of course for the benefit of the nation to which they belong. It gives a person a sense OF belonging, of worth, and responsibility.
I am pleased to say that they are bringing their kids up in exactly the same home and social environment as they were brought up themselves. No one can ask for a better compliment than that from their kids.
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golem wrote:
I only hope his parents do exactly the right thing when they get the little horror home.
...and bust his @$$....
my kids wont act like punks, if they do they will get their @$$ beat, and learn some respect...
they will grow up with class....I will make damn sure of that.
I only hope his parents do exactly the right thing when they get the little horror home.
...and bust his @$$....
my kids wont act like punks, if they do they will get their @$$ beat, and learn some respect...
they will grow up with class....I will make damn sure of that.
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SnoozeControl wrote: Do you really think corporal punishment will guarantee respect from anyone? Fear, yes. And as for class? I think that's an inherent quality that can't be beaten into a person.
You make it sound like that's the only tool he'd use. :wah: No teaching, no modeling, just wait for him to step out of line .......... then POUNCE!
You make it sound like that's the only tool he'd use. :wah: No teaching, no modeling, just wait for him to step out of line .......... then POUNCE!
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No need to tell 'em to sit up straight. Their backs'll hurt too much to slouch. :wah:
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Corporal punishment....yes.
continuously threatening a child with "timeout", so that eventually they understand that all your really doing is displaying an act of weakness, in which they are testing anyway, so that your child will grow up knowing they can manipulate you at their disposal.......no!
I respect my parents knowing that they whipped my @$$ when i was acting like a jerk.....
I couldnt be more grateful that they punished me in this way....it made me tough.....it made me respect everyone until they give me a reason not to respect them...
and it made actually understand why what i did was wrong as opposed to it just being wrong.
whip their @$$
they will cry now
but love you for it when it counts.
continuously threatening a child with "timeout", so that eventually they understand that all your really doing is displaying an act of weakness, in which they are testing anyway, so that your child will grow up knowing they can manipulate you at their disposal.......no!
I respect my parents knowing that they whipped my @$$ when i was acting like a jerk.....
I couldnt be more grateful that they punished me in this way....it made me tough.....it made me respect everyone until they give me a reason not to respect them...
and it made actually understand why what i did was wrong as opposed to it just being wrong.
whip their @$$
they will cry now
but love you for it when it counts.
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Accountable wrote: You make it sound like that's the only tool he'd use. :wah: No teaching, no modeling, just wait for him to step out of line .......... then POUNCE!
I will go at all lengths to teach my kid class, and respect....
if he/she "stepped out of line" then it would be their fault, and then I would whip their @$$.....
if i didnt teach them class and respect then their behavior would be my fault therefore I couldnt punish them at all.
I will go at all lengths to teach my kid class, and respect....
if he/she "stepped out of line" then it would be their fault, and then I would whip their @$$.....
if i didnt teach them class and respect then their behavior would be my fault therefore I couldnt punish them at all.
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Pinky wrote: It depends what you mean by that. A quick slap on the back of the legs never did me any harm, but an actual beating? Do you really think you could 'beat' a child?
I couldn't. In my experience, it makes the attitude worse, not better and can leave kids with a chip on their shoulder for years to come..
I am assuming this is in response to my post, if it is not then I apologize.
But, when I say "beat", I mean a straight up @$$ whooping. The more distasteful our actions, the more we got an @$$ whooping. I dont believe in hitting a child in any other manner. An adult losing their temper is no different than the childs rebellious actions that in the parents' opinion was obviously deemed punishable.
Pinky wrote:
I'm sure your kids will grow up with good morals and behaviour if that is what you display yourself.
I am sure they will too.
I couldn't. In my experience, it makes the attitude worse, not better and can leave kids with a chip on their shoulder for years to come..
I am assuming this is in response to my post, if it is not then I apologize.
But, when I say "beat", I mean a straight up @$$ whooping. The more distasteful our actions, the more we got an @$$ whooping. I dont believe in hitting a child in any other manner. An adult losing their temper is no different than the childs rebellious actions that in the parents' opinion was obviously deemed punishable.
Pinky wrote:
I'm sure your kids will grow up with good morals and behaviour if that is what you display yourself.
I am sure they will too.