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Nomad wrote: Im not out to get you Misha. I just want you to be respectful. Thats how this place works.


As I expected the same from you. Now that is a response I can live with.

Let all this pass but as you have so curtly

admonished me, I see no reason why my situation be ridiculed and expect not to react. I am saying this with the utmost sincerity and not typed in rudeness.

I am well aware of forums and etiquette and I don't wish to have to defend myself for actions of others that provoke a response. I have been in situations in many forums where I come in with a legitamate query and always find one or two that are just there to provoke.

I came here for advice and excuse me for miswording.

Opinion, advice, whatever. I trusted the heading of this forum and didn't expect someone to nitpick whether I said opinion.

I meant advice, not a scolding like I was some child.

Whether someone has cancer, goes to prison, dies in a war, or lost love,

each is as important to that individual.Not one should be held higher then the other. We all mourn and hopefully get over it and are able to move on.

I am using this forum as a way to get positive reinforcement so that I can do the same.

Belittling my situation is not helpful.

Let's move away and not keep dragging my indescretions through the muck. Be nice, please and I will reply in kind.

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I'm going to reply having only read the original post, and none of the replies but a couple.

It seems to me you are looking for someone to say, "Yeah, it's ok, continue to confuse this woman's relationship with her husband, keep on being a sucker, and take the crumbs she throws your way and be grateful for them."

NOT!!!

30 years???? By God, that's a long time to wait for someone. Haven't you figured it out by now that she is not going to leave her husband?

And when you ask for input here, you get what people think, not what they think you want to hear. So unless you want honest answers to your questions, quit posting them. We don't sugar-coat things, and we don't dance around topics hoping not to hurt people. We don't hurt intentionally, but we always speak what we really think.
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Misha wrote: Yes, I know. Blood is thicker then water.

Another inherent thing about forums is that some think that it is their private domain and all others are fair game. I came here with the utmost sincerity and expected advice not sarcasm and bullying.



So far only Val and Nomad have been less then diplomatic.



I have made replies to every other reply and have not spoken to them in any impolite manner. Only to those who provoke flaming because they love to pound their chests.I have viewed above mentioned poster's past replies and see that they are what they seem to be.



I apologize to all others for getting baited into this flame.



Goodbye,Val and Nomad. No apologies needed. You are forgiven
Oh LORD you ARE a newbie, aintcha'??? Val and Nomad do NOT flame. Ever. For any reason. Even when they HAVE reason, they don't. You need to stick around a bit longer before you start passing judgements on people who have earned a great deal of respect and admiration, bucko.
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BabyRider wrote: I'm going to reply having only read the original post, and none of the replies but a couple.

It seems to me you are looking for someone to say, "Yeah, it's ok, continue to confuse this woman's relationship with her husband, keep on being a sucker, and take the crumbs she throws your way and be grateful for them."

NOT!!!

30 years???? By God, that's a long time to wait for someone. Haven't you figured it out by now that she is not going to leave her husband?

And when you ask for input here, you get what people think, not what they think you want to hear. So unless you want honest answers to your questions, quit posting them. We don't sugar-coat things, and we don't dance around topics hoping not to hurt people. We don't hurt intentionally, but we always speak what we really think.


It gets more self explanatory then the first post but if you are not interested then I'll leave it at that in referance to your reply.
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SnoozeControl wrote: Not that I'm trying to play matchmaker here, but there are some single women in this forum you might like.

Keep it in mind. ;)


I think that it is too late as I have devulged way too much of my self.

But if anyone out there can compete for my attentions and get me out of this mess, I am open to it.:)

Thanks, for the thought.
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Thats her little fluffy way of coming on to you Misha. Word of warning though, shes a real meatgrinder. :wah:
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yes maam :o
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Misha wrote: It gets more self explanatory then the first post but if you are not interested then I'll leave it at that in referance to your reply.
And I do plan on reading the entire post, but I don't want my own replies influenced by what others have said. That said, I believe my interest shouldn't be questioned based solely on the fact that I posted in your thread at all.
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Misha wrote: As I expected the same from you. Now that is a response I can live with.

Let all this pass but as you have so curtly

admonished me, I see no reason why my situation be ridiculed and expect not to react. I am saying this with the utmost sincerity and not typed in rudeness.

I am well aware of forums and etiquette and I don't wish to have to defend myself for actions of others that provoke a response. I have been in situations in many forums where I come in with a legitamate query and always find one or two that are just there to provoke.

I came here for advice and excuse me for miswording.

Opinion, advice, whatever. I trusted the heading of this forum and didn't expect someone to nitpick whether I said opinion.

I meant advice, not a scolding like I was some child.

Whether someone has cancer, goes to prison, dies in a war, or lost love,

each is as important to that individual.Not one should be held higher then the other. We all mourn and hopefully get over it and are able to move on.

I am using this forum as a way to get positive reinforcement so that I can do the same.

Belittling my situation is not helpful.



Let's move away and not keep dragging my indescretions through the muck. Be nice, please and I will reply in kind.



Peace


You quote Nomad and then take stabs at me. That's your being nice and

replying in kind? No way.



I'm not just here to provoke. Never have been. I took time out of

MY morning, gave it to you, a newbie. Opinions or advice, whatever,

I was just trying to make you SEE which you refuse to do.



I brought up the cancer and the beloved going to prison because

the 2 members involved in those things are FIGHTING and will

continue to FIGHT the very good fight against very tough odds.



You're NOT getting over your situation. YOU told us that by the content

of your posts. I haven't used anything that you haven't said

to us yourself.



Drag your indiscretions through the muck? Please. You were the one

who brought them to our atttention in the first place.



You aren't going to get the same things from a forum that you

just MIGHT get from a good therapist.



My advice? Get thee to a therapist, and quit with the snarky

comments so carefully (you obviously think) couched in terms of

being "nice".
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I personally think this topic has exhausted itself ....
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SnoozeControl wrote: Unless Misha can insert AA batteries somewhere, I'm not interested. And this forum is for 'serious discussions only" so stop it!


What!!! Are you saying that you have a battery operated...

Oh no. I am not going down that road... :lips:
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annabelle wrote: I personally think this topic has exhausted itself ....


That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But maybe you'd better

try some "advice" for the OP. He's oh-so-craving it, apparently.
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valerie wrote: That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But maybe you'd better

try some "advice" for the OP. He's oh-so-craving it, apparently.


Maybe I should have made that clearer...

What I meant by that comment is, no matter what opinion anyone gives him, he's just not listening. Probably because no one has said what he wants to hear.
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BabyRider wrote: And I do plan on reading the entire post, but I don't want my own replies influenced by what others have said. That said, I believe my interest shouldn't be questioned based solely on the fact that I posted in your thread at all.


That's democracy.
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Misha wrote: That's democracy.
No, that's me saying, plain and clear, that if I had no interest, I would not have posted at all.
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annabelle wrote: Maybe I should have made that clearer...

What I meant by that comment is, no matter what opinion anyone gives him, he's just not listening. Probably because no one has said what he wants to hear.


Gawd, here we go!

Now you turn on me. Who are you people? It's like a close knit group.

You keep wishing to move on and the hell with the discussion.

If you don't wish to add anything more then why keep coming back.

Now it is being dragged way off topic to these depths.

It seems that all this is, is for your entertainment.

And just what is it you think I want to hear? No, not opinions but helpful advice. My mistake for first miswording and asking for opinions.

Do you not know what a discussion is?

It is where people get together and hash out a topic and not just blurt out an opinion and walk away bored and unto the next forum.

I have heard quite a few responses and was not aware that there was a limit to a discussion. Some of them have been very helpful ,including yours and some not. Some how I feel betrayed by those who originally gave advice and treat me like I am some sort of pariah.

It seems that there is only a small populace that frequent this forum and that they have nothing left to add. So be it and leave it at that.

If you noticed there are hundreds who come through this thread and say nothing at all because they have little to add and say nothing.

Is this an advice forum or just someplace to insert one's opinions and not give a damn whether it is important to the poster.
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Hey, thanks for the tips on what a discussion forum is about. How we managed over 300,000+ posts and over 3,000 members before you came along just boggles the mind.

You want advice? Here's some advice. Get your own girl. Stop messing around with married ones. Open your eyes to the FACT that this woman is NOT going to leave her husband for you. Get over it. Move on. Fare thee well, and all that stuff. This is not going to happen and you are killing yourself thinking it will. Break it off with her and stick to it, and find someone actually available to you.

That's my "advice" as opposed to my "opinion."
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Misha wrote: Gawd, here we go!

Now you turn on me. Who are you people? It's like a close knit group.

It seems that all this is, is for your entertainment.

.


I have NOT turned on you, but have merely stated that no matter what anyone has said, you appear not to want to know.

As for being a close knit group, I have yet to determine that as I'm a new member myself, and as for entertainment, please don't flatter yourself, I can and do find far more interesting thing's to pass my time with.

My mistake seems to be taking a few minutes out to try and attempt to answer a complete stranger who appeared, on the surface at least, to be crying out for help. In future, I won't bother!
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*sniff, sniff*



anyone else smell Agnes? :rolleyes:
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annabelle wrote: I have NOT turned on you, but have merely stated that no matter what anyone has said, you appear not to want to know.



As for being a close knit group, I have yet to determine that as I'm a new member myself, and as for entertainment, please don't flatter yourself, I can and do find far more interesting thing's to pass my time with.



My mistake seems to be taking a few minutes out to try and attempt to answer a complete stranger who appeared, on the surface at least, to be crying out for help. In future, I won't bother!


Well done, my dear!!



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Grow up man! Go out and shoot something, or take up knitting or something.

It seems as if you need help, bigstyle...

Oh and before you go down the "nobody understands what I have gone through" routine. Let me tell you. I too had a similar relationship for 10 years. I too got "bitten." however, I also knew when to call it a day.

That is why I have Annabelle. Because I stopped being a victim, and got pro-active... Get over it man. It seems to me that you have been strung out like the fairy lights in Brighton. My "ADVICE" not opinion is.... Get a bottle of something strong and alcoholic. Drink it. Call her all the names under the sun. Get up next day. Do nothing much because of the hangover. Burn all the pics and letters. Change your clothes. Then get ye hence to a place of leisure, and start afresh...
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Accountable wrote: *sniff, sniff*



anyone else smell Agnes? :rolleyes:
Nah, Agnes wasn't this literate.



Hey, Misha...you asked for help. We told you what we thought. You didn't like it. Why is that our problem?? We speak what we feel here, and as for a close-knit group...bet your ass on it. Give it some time, you may be lucky enough to be part of it. If you can stand up under the honesty and straight-forward thinking people here.
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Misha wrote: Gawd, here we go!

Now you turn on me. Who are you people? It's like a close knit group.

You keep wishing to move on and the hell with the discussion.

If you don't wish to add anything more then why keep coming back.

Now it is being dragged way off topic to these depths.

It seems that all this is, is for your entertainment.



And just what is it you think I want to hear? No, not opinions but helpful advice. My mistake for first miswording and asking for opinions.

Do you not know what a discussion is?

It is where people get together and hash out a topic and not just blurt out an opinion and walk away bored and unto the next forum.

I have heard quite a few responses and was not aware that there was a limit to a discussion. Some of them have been very helpful ,including yours and some not. Some how I feel betrayed by those who originally gave advice and treat me like I am some sort of pariah.

It seems that there is only a small populace that frequent this forum and that they have nothing left to add. So be it and leave it at that.

If you noticed there are hundreds who come through this thread and say nothing at all because they have little to add and say nothing.



Is this an advice forum or just someplace to insert one's opinions and not give a damn whether it is important to the poster.


You are the one with your panties in a bunch here, jefe. You blast right

past my post giving you straight up advice.



Okay, here's a suggestion. Let's have a little "discussion" about my advice.

Here's a link in case you missed it:

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showp ... stcount=61



Arighty then, I'll coach ya, since you need it. Cher was the first to

mention a therapist, so how about you reply to me when I reiterate?

Something along the lines of "Oh gee, do you really think it would

help?" Or, "I feel so messed up I don't know where to start". SOMETHING

besides your almost constant carping to other posters.



Rapunzel said "Wake up and smell the coffee". Okie dokie artichokie,

let's think about THAT. See, it just isn't ONE person saying something

to you along the same lines, it's several.



Capisce?



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Hugh Janus wrote: Grow up man! Go out and shoot something, or take up knitting or something.

It seems as if you need help, bigstyle...



Oh and before you go down the "nobody understands what I have gone through" routine. Let me tell you. I too had a similar relationship for 10 years. I too got "bitten." however, I also knew when to call it a day.

That is why I have Annabelle. Because I stopped being a victim, and got pro-active... Get over it man. It seems to me that you have been strung out like the fairy lights in Brighton. My "ADVICE" not opinion is.... Get a bottle of something strong and alcoholic. Drink it. Call her all the names under the sun. Get up next day. Do nothing much because of the hangover. Burn all the pics and letters. Change your clothes. Then get ye hence to a place of leisure, and start afresh...


Priceless, absolutely priceless!!



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Misha wrote: I have been in love with a woman for 30 years but she is married and not relating so well with her spouse for many years but she is dependent on him. She left 4 times and has come back in one way or another and they still relate.

I see her errors in repeating this charade as she is trying to keep face with her family. Not one child feels much for him as he has in the past not been involved in raising them or showing much interest in family activities.

Her and I were close friends for most of this time and on her last separation of 3.5 years ago, I told her how I felt. We had a wonderful loving time for 2 years but then she had second thoughts and though she is not co-habiting with her spouse, she is back with him and I am now out of the loop, so to speak.

He knows about us and is extremely jealous of my frienship with her and makes life difficult for her to the point where though we still share time as friends, she asks me to disappear when he is in town. Though I may not be popular for this indescretion by you readers, I am still much in love but know my place.

Any opinions as to where this should go. I know that this may be the end of our relationship as lovers and friends as life is just to complicated with her remaining married to a man who does not know how to love or treat a woman.



Feeling lost and alone.


as one who has been on one anti-depressant or another (or multiple) continuously for more than a decade, i can tell you that those little pills *can* make a difference in your life. a huge difference. they can break the cycle of obsession/compulsion that often rides along with depression and emotional dependence.



i hate the fact that i have to take them. i resent it. i tried dramatically lowering my dose a month and a half ago - and recently paid a great cost for it, in alienating people i care about with words and actions that are 'out of character' with who i really am - and the meds let me be who i really am. they don't turn me into something else, they yank the plug on parts of me that make me miserable. it's hard to describe.



no, they aren't the answer for everything. however, a 30 year unrequited love seems like something that could respond to such therapy. to break a cycle that is clearly not good for you.....otherwise, you would not be "feeling lost and alone".
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I have read this entire thread and in my opinion we don't and probably never will know the whole story.....it seem a tad bizarre.

My observations are that although there may have been some happy times, and Misha has supported this lady and her children in their times of need, most of the 30 years have been wasted in terms of his happiness.

My advice.......give the lady an ultimatum...."spend the rest of her life with you OR you will move on and try and find happiness on your own or with someone new".

There is of course the other option....carry on in the same way for the next 20 years or so with a life full of regrets, 'if onlys', 'why didn't I's' , 'I should haves' etc.

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Unlike Bez, i havent read the whole thread just your initial post and it seems to me that she has the best of both worlds, a husband who supports her and an old flame that worships the ground she walks on!

Be honest with yourself micha if you read that post on a forum what advice would you give?

My advice is just let her get on with her life and you move on and and get on with yours, all of us have had a "first love" but we get on with life, try to find a new one and new experiences, you've wasted 30 years on this unrequited love.

my god man life is but a mere blink of an eye, dont waste your years.
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Accountable wrote: *sniff, sniff*



anyone else smell Agnes? :rolleyes:
Complete sentences tell me it's not Agnes herself. I don't think it's a stranger though.
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Peg wrote: Complete sentences tell me it's not Agnes herself. I don't think it's a stranger though.I still think it's something from BN stuck to his shoe he tracked in.
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anastrophe wrote: as one who has been on one anti-depressant or another (or multiple) continuously for more than a decade, i can tell you that those little pills *can* make a difference in your life. a huge difference. they can break the cycle of obsession/compulsion that often rides along with depression and emotional dependence.



i hate the fact that i have to take them. i resent it. i tried dramatically lowering my dose a month and a half ago - and recently paid a great cost for it, in alienating people i care about with words and actions that are 'out of character' with who i really am - and the meds let me be who i really am. they don't turn me into something else, they yank the plug on parts of me that make me miserable. it's hard to describe.



no, they aren't the answer for everything. however, a 30 year unrequited love seems like something that could respond to such therapy. to break a cycle that is clearly not good for you.....otherwise, you would not be "feeling lost and alone".


Sound and oh-so-thoughtful advice.

Paul, thanks for sharing your own personal struggles in an effort to help this man. That was brave and took guts.

Val, you got a good guy there:)
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Peg wrote: Complete sentences tell me it's not Agnes herself. I don't think it's a stranger though.I agree, i have a feeling it could be moverguy.
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BabyRider wrote: Hey, thanks for the tips on what a discussion forum is about. How we managed over 300,000+ posts and over 3,000 members before you came along just boggles the mind.

You want advice? Here's some advice. Get your own girl. Stop messing around with married ones. Open your eyes to the FACT that this woman is NOT going to leave her husband for you. Get over it. Move on. Fare thee well, and all that stuff. This is not going to happen and you are killing yourself thinking it will. Break it off with her and stick to it, and find someone actually available to you.

That's my "advice" as opposed to my "opinion."




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