Why do people feel compelled to be religious. In your opinion.
There are the generic answers such as a need to search or to feel safe and secure.
Why are some people not religious?
Do they feel no need to search they feel more safe and secure without religious belief?
Why choose religion?
Why choose religion?
koan wrote: Why do people feel compelled to be religious. In your opinion.
There are the generic answers such as a need to search or to feel safe and secure.
Why are some people not religious?
Do they feel no need to search they feel more safe and secure without religious belief?
I think all of us need something to believe or trust in. Some find it in themselves, others need something omnipotent. My mother was a "HOLY ROLLER", but content to let others roll for her. It was her intention that I become a fire breathing evangelist, suffice to say, I was a huge dissapointment. We finally made a truce when I began to walk out every time she inquired about my soul.
I am an agnostic, it's hard to deny the existance of a greater being when you are in the middle of a beautiful forest, as an engineer however, I demand that everything be quantified, measured, and proven. Do I feel conflicted?, not at all, I'm comfortable with my own intellect.
There are the generic answers such as a need to search or to feel safe and secure.
Why are some people not religious?
Do they feel no need to search they feel more safe and secure without religious belief?
I think all of us need something to believe or trust in. Some find it in themselves, others need something omnipotent. My mother was a "HOLY ROLLER", but content to let others roll for her. It was her intention that I become a fire breathing evangelist, suffice to say, I was a huge dissapointment. We finally made a truce when I began to walk out every time she inquired about my soul.
I am an agnostic, it's hard to deny the existance of a greater being when you are in the middle of a beautiful forest, as an engineer however, I demand that everything be quantified, measured, and proven. Do I feel conflicted?, not at all, I'm comfortable with my own intellect.
Old age and treachery, is an acceptable response to overwelming youth and skill 
Why choose religion?
koan wrote: Why do people feel compelled to be religious. In your opinion.
There are the generic answers such as a need to search or to feel safe and secure.
Why are some people not religious?
Do they feel no need to search they feel more safe and secure without religious belief?
I think that ones home enironment has a major role in what religious path you chose, my mother an atheist was adamant that we would'nt be christened & dad went along with her wishes, dad who is Catholic & a strict catholic at that was disapointed that none of his 7 children decided not to follow his path.
Dad was brought up strict & he has now lapsed although will always believe in god and each one of his now 6 children envy him of that belief.
I (and i'm sure many other atheists) would like to have that comfort & spirituality that people who have religion enjoy, unfortunately it just is'nt there.
I have friends with different religious beliefs and 9 times out of 10 they'll tell me that they think its all bs & only really turn to religion when needed, maybe they only say it because of my beliefs?
Over the years i have been to several churches to see what goes on and wonder if i'll feel anything and apart from the warmth that i get from the parishoners i don't get it, i feel like i'm missing something
I've got a feeling i've gone off the thread here, sorry for that.
There are the generic answers such as a need to search or to feel safe and secure.
Why are some people not religious?
Do they feel no need to search they feel more safe and secure without religious belief?
I think that ones home enironment has a major role in what religious path you chose, my mother an atheist was adamant that we would'nt be christened & dad went along with her wishes, dad who is Catholic & a strict catholic at that was disapointed that none of his 7 children decided not to follow his path.
Dad was brought up strict & he has now lapsed although will always believe in god and each one of his now 6 children envy him of that belief.
I (and i'm sure many other atheists) would like to have that comfort & spirituality that people who have religion enjoy, unfortunately it just is'nt there.
I have friends with different religious beliefs and 9 times out of 10 they'll tell me that they think its all bs & only really turn to religion when needed, maybe they only say it because of my beliefs?
Over the years i have been to several churches to see what goes on and wonder if i'll feel anything and apart from the warmth that i get from the parishoners i don't get it, i feel like i'm missing something
I've got a feeling i've gone off the thread here, sorry for that.
Why choose religion?
My Catholic upbringing never met my needs. I gave it up when I was 16 years old.
To me it was all rituals, and secrets,and teachings that made you feel fearful .Because I seemed to always know that nuns and priests were not perfect people.. I could not have any reverance for them, but rather I kind of found them ,
to be very sad people,living very limited lives. I went on a quest to try to find a church that could be my home. Never found one. Finally I began to look inside myself for spiritual answers. I rely on myself in every area of my life. I guess I realized that my relationship with God ,or the universe was my responsibility also.
Not something to be fed to me by man or an organization. I do have to say that I appreciate the fact that my parents did start us off catholic or with some kind of religion. Because the experience did form the concept of conscience in me.. and made me give thought to right and wrong.. which is a start down the long road
leading to each persons personal character. Character needed not only in ones religious life.. but in every area of life.
To me it was all rituals, and secrets,and teachings that made you feel fearful .Because I seemed to always know that nuns and priests were not perfect people.. I could not have any reverance for them, but rather I kind of found them ,
to be very sad people,living very limited lives. I went on a quest to try to find a church that could be my home. Never found one. Finally I began to look inside myself for spiritual answers. I rely on myself in every area of my life. I guess I realized that my relationship with God ,or the universe was my responsibility also.
Not something to be fed to me by man or an organization. I do have to say that I appreciate the fact that my parents did start us off catholic or with some kind of religion. Because the experience did form the concept of conscience in me.. and made me give thought to right and wrong.. which is a start down the long road
leading to each persons personal character. Character needed not only in ones religious life.. but in every area of life.
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Why choose religion?
Just reading in "Quantum Theology" and another book on quantum theory the present thinking is that man's desire for a relationship with the Divine goes back to the very beginning of man and is praoble innate.
I would also like to respond to the idea of fear being used in the Christian faith. I believe that is an error and a serious one. The Christian faith is not about belief in dogma or a doctrine etc. It is about developing and increasing a transforming relationship with the Risen Christ if you are a Christian and about developing and increasing a transforming relationship with God if you are not. Remembering here that God has a thousand names.
Shalom
Ted :-6
I would also like to respond to the idea of fear being used in the Christian faith. I believe that is an error and a serious one. The Christian faith is not about belief in dogma or a doctrine etc. It is about developing and increasing a transforming relationship with the Risen Christ if you are a Christian and about developing and increasing a transforming relationship with God if you are not. Remembering here that God has a thousand names.
Shalom
Ted :-6
Why choose religion?
lesley wrote: no body gets to the father unless they go through the son........the one name will do
The reason for your religious belief is...?
The reason for your religious belief is...?
Why choose religion?
lesley :-6
That is an opinion that you and some other Christians hold. However, not all Christians hold to the traditional interpretation of that phrasing. I am of a different interpretation then you would appear to be. I say "appear to be" because I am really not sure what you mean by that phrase.
Shalom
Ted :-6
That is an opinion that you and some other Christians hold. However, not all Christians hold to the traditional interpretation of that phrasing. I am of a different interpretation then you would appear to be. I say "appear to be" because I am really not sure what you mean by that phrase.
Shalom
Ted :-6
Why choose religion?
One of the things that stuck in my head is the part in the Bible that says that we are God. Not God-like or in the image of God but God. That is the part of my nature that I try to focus on in the world. I am God. You are God. We are God. The Muslims are God. The Jews are God. And on life goes.
Why choose religion?
lesley wrote: Jesus said it Himself........the Jews have already denied their own messiah......its in isiah that it is said we are gods.....with a small "g" ..we are creators.........my belief stems from a lifetime of looking fro the truth and finally coming home to the scriptures and finding there the truth of all things......Jesus Christ is not for debate. Hes not an intellectual discussion.... its the experience you should seek
It was god with a capital "G". Who's debating Christ, the Father or the Spirit? I'm not.
It was god with a capital "G". Who's debating Christ, the Father or the Spirit? I'm not.
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Why choose religion?
I was raised Catholic, but I always had questions and thought some of the teachings, and lifestyle were/are just not what I am about. I went to Catholic school, my children go to public school.
I stopped going to Church when I got married, something that bugged my Mother to no end, but I always felt that being a good person, not hurting anyone and helping out when you can is being close to God. Going to Church makes you as much as a Catholic/Christian/whatever you may be as being called a car if you are standing in a parking lot.
Recently I started going to an Pentecostal Church (My Mother won't even talk to me about it), I love the music, the singing, and the way the preacher interupts the bible to relate to life in the 21st century. He is also very funny, he tells jokes all the time. It is also very multicultural, people from every ethnic background attend (this is Toronto after all) They also do alot of things for the community, and I appreciate that.
In my youth Church was probably the most boring thing I could think of. I look forward to it now, and try to go every week. My youngest kids like Sunday school and all the activities that go along with it, my son sits with me and enjoy's the sermons. My Mother had to drag me to Church when I was younger, but my kids are excited to go. If they did not want to go I wouldn't force them to.
There are certain things that my Church believes that I do not. They don't believe in gay marriage, I don't have a problem with it. But then we all have different opinions, thoughts and beliefs, and that is okay with me.
I stopped going to Church when I got married, something that bugged my Mother to no end, but I always felt that being a good person, not hurting anyone and helping out when you can is being close to God. Going to Church makes you as much as a Catholic/Christian/whatever you may be as being called a car if you are standing in a parking lot.
Recently I started going to an Pentecostal Church (My Mother won't even talk to me about it), I love the music, the singing, and the way the preacher interupts the bible to relate to life in the 21st century. He is also very funny, he tells jokes all the time. It is also very multicultural, people from every ethnic background attend (this is Toronto after all) They also do alot of things for the community, and I appreciate that.
In my youth Church was probably the most boring thing I could think of. I look forward to it now, and try to go every week. My youngest kids like Sunday school and all the activities that go along with it, my son sits with me and enjoy's the sermons. My Mother had to drag me to Church when I was younger, but my kids are excited to go. If they did not want to go I wouldn't force them to.
There are certain things that my Church believes that I do not. They don't believe in gay marriage, I don't have a problem with it. But then we all have different opinions, thoughts and beliefs, and that is okay with me.
Why choose religion?
timgd wrote: I posted a response to this earlier and I think someone responded to me. I liked the story they told and I agree, religion should be a choice, not forced, but I dont believe that young children should be given a choice. Of course they wont want to goto church alot, cartoons may be on or thier friends may want to play video games, but handing them the authority to make a choice that may lead them away from God is a decision that may have impacts throughout their lives. Im all for freedom of choice and independence, but giving children the power to make life altering decicions I am not in ageement with
You can tell the child what to do and take away the choice but they will make their choice regardless of what you may think. It is their free will that leads them and keeps them with their spirituality. Much as you would like to think that it is your pressure that keeps them on the course it doesn't mean that it will work.
Constant reminders that there is a Supreme Being is better than all the attendance at services that they wil go through as being a part of the congregation. Sometimes it is better to do that thanit is to let them be the hour a week holy that so many people have as their religious basis.
The medical establishment is only now beginning to figure out how intelligent children are. People are only now beginning to realize that free choice starts earlier than their particular brand of religion tells them it starts. You can do more damage to faith by forcing them to do something that they don't want to do, than giving them the opportunity to say that they do it because they want to do it.
You can tell the child what to do and take away the choice but they will make their choice regardless of what you may think. It is their free will that leads them and keeps them with their spirituality. Much as you would like to think that it is your pressure that keeps them on the course it doesn't mean that it will work.
Constant reminders that there is a Supreme Being is better than all the attendance at services that they wil go through as being a part of the congregation. Sometimes it is better to do that thanit is to let them be the hour a week holy that so many people have as their religious basis.
The medical establishment is only now beginning to figure out how intelligent children are. People are only now beginning to realize that free choice starts earlier than their particular brand of religion tells them it starts. You can do more damage to faith by forcing them to do something that they don't want to do, than giving them the opportunity to say that they do it because they want to do it.
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chicagolosina
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Why choose religion?
Absolutley kensloft! Well said! 
Why choose religion?
chicagolosina wrote: Absolutley kensloft! Well said!
Thank you. Which college will you be attending?
Thank you. Which college will you be attending?
Why choose religion?
My daughter is very interested in religion. I have told her that she should find out as much as possible about all the religions of the world before deciding if she wants to belong to one. I will support whatever choice she makes...except Satanism. If there was one true religion it would speak to all people who searched for it. This is the essential flaw, IMHO, in anyone saying that one religion is the only true religion.
BTW, she was very into Christianity until certain Christians got all preachy and self righteous with her. I have told her that she should still read the bible anyway and decide for herself what it means.
BTW, she was very into Christianity until certain Christians got all preachy and self righteous with her. I have told her that she should still read the bible anyway and decide for herself what it means.
Why choose religion?
koan wrote: My daughter is very interested in religion. I have told her that she should find out as much as possible about all the religions of the world before deciding if she wants to belong to one. I will support whatever choice she makes...except Satanism. If there was one true religion it would speak to all people who searched for it. This is the essential flaw, IMHO, in anyone saying that one religion is the only true religion.
BTW, she was very into Christianity until certain Christians got all preachy and self righteous with her. I have told her that she should still read the bible anyway and decide for herself what it means.
There is a theme in all the Holy Books and that is to love God. The one that exalts God over earthly pleasures without destroying the pleasures that God has instilled in the lives of His children will reveal itself as being the Way. Being allowed to interpret for one's self, with the aid of the parent, is the greatest gift that can be given to a child by a parent.
BTW, she was very into Christianity until certain Christians got all preachy and self righteous with her. I have told her that she should still read the bible anyway and decide for herself what it means.
There is a theme in all the Holy Books and that is to love God. The one that exalts God over earthly pleasures without destroying the pleasures that God has instilled in the lives of His children will reveal itself as being the Way. Being allowed to interpret for one's self, with the aid of the parent, is the greatest gift that can be given to a child by a parent.
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Why choose religion?
And why Religion at all in this new century. Have we not moved on?
Why choose religion?
timgd wrote: Hello Kensloft:
Your response was very interesting. Yes, I have been exposed to the intelligence of children on many occasions, I have witnessed them stick their fingers in light sockets, walk out in front of traffic, and attempt to swallow poisonous substances. These attempts were prevented by the intervention of adults responsible for their well being. As far as adolescents are concerned, I can simply look at the juvenile crime rates, the tremendous percentage of teenage pregnancies, and see for myself the outcome of giving children the right to exercise complete free will. We would not hand a gun to someone without experience with firearms and not give them instruction to assure their safety. Metaphoriccally speaking, this is what we do when we allow children to make adult decicions without proper guidance.
Yes sir, I am 100% aware of the medical research that has been done, are you? A twin study comparing one to the other, when one was given more freedom over life choices than the other actually has been done, and the outcome of the study did not conclude that more freedom was in any way good for the children, nor did it imply any adult "intelligence" within the child allowed more control, the conclusion was actually on the other side of the issue. I do not mean to imply that kids should not have "free will," I only mean that as adults, we have an obligation to steer them in directions that will have positive effects on their life. If a child refuses to go to school, do we consider them intelligent enough to make such decisions? The answer is NO.
We expose them to education until the time when they can be trusted to decide if they wish to continue it on their own. Church is not an attempt to be "holy" for an hour a week, it is an education of spirituality. I understand that some people want to "showcase" their "holiness," and I am in total disagreement with that. I am not saying unless a child is Christian that they will end up in deplorable situations and will be doomed to a life of misery. What I am saying is if parents who are Christian and they believe that God has worked positively in thier life, they have the right, if not the responsibility to expose thier kids to the workings of God.
Would you like me to e-mail you the twin study or anything else in the abundance of medical studies completed on this matter?
To the person responding with the question of college attended, are you asking me or Kensloft? If you are asking me, I will be happy to disuss this with you. I will not BE attending, I AM attending....
Thank you for taking me and my views to make me look as if I am some cro-magnon raising its brood. Perhaps I didn't specify that the parent is watching what is going on and in the parent manner pushing the child away from the cliff or car barreling down the road.
I am sure that you can find scads of children that have been given their right to free choice by people who are doing it to get the children out of their hair so that they can live their myopic lives. I say short-sighted because it is not done with the children's best interests at heart It is for them, the paents, more than it is for the children.
Your words are well taken and they are absolutely correct when you apply them to the variety of personalities to which you refer but they are not the way that I have done things. I was there to gently push aside the perils that endanger their lives or well being. When the child didn't want to go to school it was talked out and the anxieties that were held by the child were discussed. Reluctantly, the child went to school only to have a child return that no longer remembered why they didn't want to go to school in the first place.
I appreciate your concern that the child would not be guarded but, as I say, it is not given to them but taught to them. If you can't talk to your child then you are bringing up a robot.
The college question is from kensington to chicago because our igloos are not too far from each other. We live in the same city. What are you studying?
Your response was very interesting. Yes, I have been exposed to the intelligence of children on many occasions, I have witnessed them stick their fingers in light sockets, walk out in front of traffic, and attempt to swallow poisonous substances. These attempts were prevented by the intervention of adults responsible for their well being. As far as adolescents are concerned, I can simply look at the juvenile crime rates, the tremendous percentage of teenage pregnancies, and see for myself the outcome of giving children the right to exercise complete free will. We would not hand a gun to someone without experience with firearms and not give them instruction to assure their safety. Metaphoriccally speaking, this is what we do when we allow children to make adult decicions without proper guidance.
Yes sir, I am 100% aware of the medical research that has been done, are you? A twin study comparing one to the other, when one was given more freedom over life choices than the other actually has been done, and the outcome of the study did not conclude that more freedom was in any way good for the children, nor did it imply any adult "intelligence" within the child allowed more control, the conclusion was actually on the other side of the issue. I do not mean to imply that kids should not have "free will," I only mean that as adults, we have an obligation to steer them in directions that will have positive effects on their life. If a child refuses to go to school, do we consider them intelligent enough to make such decisions? The answer is NO.
We expose them to education until the time when they can be trusted to decide if they wish to continue it on their own. Church is not an attempt to be "holy" for an hour a week, it is an education of spirituality. I understand that some people want to "showcase" their "holiness," and I am in total disagreement with that. I am not saying unless a child is Christian that they will end up in deplorable situations and will be doomed to a life of misery. What I am saying is if parents who are Christian and they believe that God has worked positively in thier life, they have the right, if not the responsibility to expose thier kids to the workings of God.
Would you like me to e-mail you the twin study or anything else in the abundance of medical studies completed on this matter?
To the person responding with the question of college attended, are you asking me or Kensloft? If you are asking me, I will be happy to disuss this with you. I will not BE attending, I AM attending....
Thank you for taking me and my views to make me look as if I am some cro-magnon raising its brood. Perhaps I didn't specify that the parent is watching what is going on and in the parent manner pushing the child away from the cliff or car barreling down the road.
I am sure that you can find scads of children that have been given their right to free choice by people who are doing it to get the children out of their hair so that they can live their myopic lives. I say short-sighted because it is not done with the children's best interests at heart It is for them, the paents, more than it is for the children.
Your words are well taken and they are absolutely correct when you apply them to the variety of personalities to which you refer but they are not the way that I have done things. I was there to gently push aside the perils that endanger their lives or well being. When the child didn't want to go to school it was talked out and the anxieties that were held by the child were discussed. Reluctantly, the child went to school only to have a child return that no longer remembered why they didn't want to go to school in the first place.
I appreciate your concern that the child would not be guarded but, as I say, it is not given to them but taught to them. If you can't talk to your child then you are bringing up a robot.
The college question is from kensington to chicago because our igloos are not too far from each other. We live in the same city. What are you studying?
Why choose religion?
koan wrote: The reason for your religious belief is...?
OK you will be able to poke a lot of holes in this but here goes
I wish I could tell you why I am a born again Christian but the truth is I'm not sure myself.
I'll tell you this you don't get there by following the rules. See the rules get you to religion and that can get you to God but religion isn't God.
And it's not about your parent's faith. That can be a roadsign but it's their's not yours
And as I have said before sometimes churches cause people to lose God.
And I'm not going to explain everything I say cause I'd have to write a book.
He has to come or you have to come to Him on a personal level It's not a I'll be good and only good will happen to me thng, I'll go to church and then all will be right. No way
I can't explain it well because I don't understand it well , I just know it. But then I can't explain many of my friends so you certainly cannot expect me to understand my friend God. It is not about being good at following the rules.
He is above the rules.
I got interested in God for different reasons but some things happen to me that were intensely personal between God and me and I don't know if I want to share them. I guess I should but they were gifts from him to me and I guess I'm selfish, I don't want to share them. I will tell you this sometimes it will take years for you to understand that He was there when you needed Him and asked his help. even though you didn't know it at the time.
I'm not telling people not to follow God's rules, blessings can come by following the rules but that is only a step toward God it's not getting there.
I could say a lot more but long epistles bore me so I'll stop here
OK you will be able to poke a lot of holes in this but here goes
I wish I could tell you why I am a born again Christian but the truth is I'm not sure myself.
I'll tell you this you don't get there by following the rules. See the rules get you to religion and that can get you to God but religion isn't God.
And it's not about your parent's faith. That can be a roadsign but it's their's not yours
And as I have said before sometimes churches cause people to lose God.
And I'm not going to explain everything I say cause I'd have to write a book.
He has to come or you have to come to Him on a personal level It's not a I'll be good and only good will happen to me thng, I'll go to church and then all will be right. No way
I can't explain it well because I don't understand it well , I just know it. But then I can't explain many of my friends so you certainly cannot expect me to understand my friend God. It is not about being good at following the rules.
He is above the rules.
I got interested in God for different reasons but some things happen to me that were intensely personal between God and me and I don't know if I want to share them. I guess I should but they were gifts from him to me and I guess I'm selfish, I don't want to share them. I will tell you this sometimes it will take years for you to understand that He was there when you needed Him and asked his help. even though you didn't know it at the time.
I'm not telling people not to follow God's rules, blessings can come by following the rules but that is only a step toward God it's not getting there.
I could say a lot more but long epistles bore me so I'll stop here
GOD CREATED MAN AND SAM COLT MADE THEM EQUAL
Why choose religion?
jahamaa wrote: OK you will be able to poke a lot of holes in this but here goes
I wish I could tell you why I am a born again Christian but the truth is I'm not sure myself.
I'll tell you this you don't get there by following the rules. See the rules get you to religion and that can get you to God but religion isn't God.
And it's not about your parent's faith. That can be a roadsign but it's their's not yours
And as I have said before sometimes churches cause people to lose God.
And I'm not going to explain everything I say cause I'd have to write a book.
He has to come or you have to come to Him on a personal level It's not a I'll be good and only good will happen to me thng, I'll go to church and then all will be right. No way
I can't explain it well because I don't understand it well , I just know it. But then I can't explain many of my friends so you certainly cannot expect me to understand my friend God. It is not about being good at following the rules.
He is above the rules.
I got interested in God for different reasons but some things happen to me that were intensely personal between God and me and I don't know if I want to share them. I guess I should but they were gifts from him to me and I guess I'm selfish, I don't want to share them. I will tell you this sometimes it will take years for you to understand that He was there when you needed Him and asked his help. even though you didn't know it at the time.
I'm not telling people not to follow God's rules, blessings can come by following the rules but that is only a step toward God it's not getting there.
I could say a lot more but long epistles bore me so I'll stop here
Well said!
I wish I could tell you why I am a born again Christian but the truth is I'm not sure myself.
I'll tell you this you don't get there by following the rules. See the rules get you to religion and that can get you to God but religion isn't God.
And it's not about your parent's faith. That can be a roadsign but it's their's not yours
And as I have said before sometimes churches cause people to lose God.
And I'm not going to explain everything I say cause I'd have to write a book.
He has to come or you have to come to Him on a personal level It's not a I'll be good and only good will happen to me thng, I'll go to church and then all will be right. No way
I can't explain it well because I don't understand it well , I just know it. But then I can't explain many of my friends so you certainly cannot expect me to understand my friend God. It is not about being good at following the rules.
He is above the rules.
I got interested in God for different reasons but some things happen to me that were intensely personal between God and me and I don't know if I want to share them. I guess I should but they were gifts from him to me and I guess I'm selfish, I don't want to share them. I will tell you this sometimes it will take years for you to understand that He was there when you needed Him and asked his help. even though you didn't know it at the time.
I'm not telling people not to follow God's rules, blessings can come by following the rules but that is only a step toward God it's not getting there.
I could say a lot more but long epistles bore me so I'll stop here
Well said!
Why choose religion?
helen wrote: I think people need faith more than they need religion. It took me a long time to work that one out for myself.
Religion is the excuse fanatics use to wage wars and what power freaks use to control us.
I want no part of the God or belief system any religion offers.
Faith for me means that no matter what - someone is looking out for me.
When times get tough - its good to know that I won't be alone.
I don't expect others to believe that - I'm only passing on my beliefs.
Preaching to the choir,huh!
Religion is the excuse fanatics use to wage wars and what power freaks use to control us.
I want no part of the God or belief system any religion offers.
Faith for me means that no matter what - someone is looking out for me.
When times get tough - its good to know that I won't be alone.
I don't expect others to believe that - I'm only passing on my beliefs.
Preaching to the choir,huh!
Why choose religion?
timgd wrote: Hello Kensloft, First of all, I must apologize to you. I never meant to demean you in any way. I am very sorry if I have come across to sound like that. I am just so involved in the process of developing college level essays and so forth these days that my writing has taken a straight to the point approach. I will do my best to tone it down so as not to come across as hateful or disapproving. I am not yet familiar with the forum structure, and when I read responses I am not sure who they are directed to. That is why I answered the college question. I was trying to imply that I am OVERWHELMED is what I meant when saying I AM attending. I understand your stance and respect everyones right to opinions. I may sometimes seem overbearing and forceful when relaying my opinions, this is simply the way I write. You asked what I am studying, well, I am currently studying English, and plan to major in such, but not to teach, I hope to be involved in journalism to an extent, more on the acedimic side than news though. Maybe acedemic journals, hence the "to the point approach". Again I apologize for any insult you may have felt my response implied. Have a good day sir
First off I was not insulted by what you wrote. I said that I realize that it did not apply to me. There is a lot of truth in what you say. It just doesn't apply to me from my perspective and children. My children are fine and believe in the better things in life especially God.
I hope that you love English as I do. It is a beautiful language filled with beautiful words and significance that makes it the language that it is. I speak read and write French but English is the language that I love to write in. I think that you have made a great choice for yourself and I wish you well with your studies.
All we had was a misunderstanding. Nothing more.
I am looking forward to your posts because they are to the point.
Love Ya.
Kensloft
First off I was not insulted by what you wrote. I said that I realize that it did not apply to me. There is a lot of truth in what you say. It just doesn't apply to me from my perspective and children. My children are fine and believe in the better things in life especially God.
I hope that you love English as I do. It is a beautiful language filled with beautiful words and significance that makes it the language that it is. I speak read and write French but English is the language that I love to write in. I think that you have made a great choice for yourself and I wish you well with your studies.
All we had was a misunderstanding. Nothing more.
I am looking forward to your posts because they are to the point.
Love Ya.
Kensloft
Why choose religion?
Another note here Koan, I did not choose religion I chose God.
And as some of us have been saying that has to be much more personal than being religious.
See, believing in God as Supreme Being and Creator and never getting to that position of Father and Friend is why so many people can point at the church, meaning believers, and talk about how many have been killed in His name.
If He is just the Supreme Being then you just Know he has to be obeyed. And if anybody messes with His rules and may cause others to doubt, well then. you see the simple answer, Just eliminate the offender,
But as my Lord Jesus said to the servant who struck out on the day of His arrest You know not the spirit you serve.
That's the point, anyone who even suspects God is his/her Father and is their Friend then they start to suspect His nature and there is nothing is His nature that calls anyone to kill in His name.
I'm not 100 pecent right here but again I'm not writing a book and that is what I would have to do qualify everything I've said here that needs to be qualified
And there is a place for religion but again a difficult disccussion especially from someone who hasn't been to church in a couple of years.
And as some of us have been saying that has to be much more personal than being religious.
See, believing in God as Supreme Being and Creator and never getting to that position of Father and Friend is why so many people can point at the church, meaning believers, and talk about how many have been killed in His name.
If He is just the Supreme Being then you just Know he has to be obeyed. And if anybody messes with His rules and may cause others to doubt, well then. you see the simple answer, Just eliminate the offender,
But as my Lord Jesus said to the servant who struck out on the day of His arrest You know not the spirit you serve.
That's the point, anyone who even suspects God is his/her Father and is their Friend then they start to suspect His nature and there is nothing is His nature that calls anyone to kill in His name.
I'm not 100 pecent right here but again I'm not writing a book and that is what I would have to do qualify everything I've said here that needs to be qualified
And there is a place for religion but again a difficult disccussion especially from someone who hasn't been to church in a couple of years.
GOD CREATED MAN AND SAM COLT MADE THEM EQUAL
Why choose religion?
jahamaa wrote: Another note here Koan, I did not choose religion I chose God.
And as some of us have been saying that has to be much more personal than being religious.
See, believing in God as Supreme Being and Creator and never getting to that position of Father and Friend is why so many people can point at the church, meaning believers, and talk about how many have been killed in His name.
If He is just the Supreme Being then you just Know he has to be obeyed. And if anybody messes with His rules and may cause others to doubt, well then. you see the simple answer, Just eliminate the offender,
But as my Lord Jesus said to the servant who struck out on the day of His arrest You know not the spirit you serve.
That's the point, anyone who even suspects God is his/her Father and is their Friend then they start to suspect His nature and there is nothing is His nature that calls anyone to kill in His name.
I'm not 100 pecent right here but again I'm not writing a book and that is what I would have to do qualify everything I've said here that needs to be qualified
And there is a place for religion but again a difficult disccussion especially from someone who hasn't been to church in a couple of years.
Haven't been to church myself for a lot of years. Sometimes demons get out of hand e.g. Hitler. Stalin. Etc.
And as some of us have been saying that has to be much more personal than being religious.
See, believing in God as Supreme Being and Creator and never getting to that position of Father and Friend is why so many people can point at the church, meaning believers, and talk about how many have been killed in His name.
If He is just the Supreme Being then you just Know he has to be obeyed. And if anybody messes with His rules and may cause others to doubt, well then. you see the simple answer, Just eliminate the offender,
But as my Lord Jesus said to the servant who struck out on the day of His arrest You know not the spirit you serve.
That's the point, anyone who even suspects God is his/her Father and is their Friend then they start to suspect His nature and there is nothing is His nature that calls anyone to kill in His name.
I'm not 100 pecent right here but again I'm not writing a book and that is what I would have to do qualify everything I've said here that needs to be qualified
And there is a place for religion but again a difficult disccussion especially from someone who hasn't been to church in a couple of years.
Haven't been to church myself for a lot of years. Sometimes demons get out of hand e.g. Hitler. Stalin. Etc.
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Why choose religion?
kensloft wrote: Haven't been to church myself for a lot of years. Sometimes demons get out of hand e.g. Hitler. Stalin. Etc.and buzzards
Why choose religion?
timgd wrote: Hello Kensloft, As I am somewhat of a computer illiterate, I did not know how to contact you without simply posting this up on the forum for all. I couldn't get over your last message to me. I am amazed, you speak and read and write French! That is such a beautiful language also. Im assuming your from France. If I am wrong, I am even more amazed. I dont think I have the gift of aquiring other languages fluently as some do, and I have always been intrigued by those who do! The reason for my post is a question for you. I have been reading alot about the issue of abortion lately, and came upon some new issues within. The parental consent for pregnant teenagers who wish to have an abortion. Should they require parental consent, or not? That is the question posed. Abortion is a highly debaited issue as you know, especially within the church. I beleive that the church has alot of influence on the outcomes of such debaits. Whan I say church, Im not referring to one denomination in general, but to Christianity as a whole because I cant even decide a particular belief to take as mine. I simply believe in God and his son Jesus. Also, I have always had a hard time taking a stance on abortion because I am a man, and I dont feel I have the right to tell a woman what to do with their bodies. That is just for me, I am not pro life, nor am I pro choice, I just really dont know what is right. Anyway, as a parent I thought you may have some views on this issue. I am not a parent either, the only reason I had such opinions about the childrens choice issue is because I was a kid allowed to make decisions that ultimately hurt me alot. Share your views on the consent issue with me if you would, Im really interested.
Being a man and being in the throes of being close by supporters of Morgentaular, The Canadian Dean of getting the abortion laws changed, I like you was a male and it was not my place to say yes or no.
However that did not stop me from from pointing out the drawbacks to this insanity. What was always my main theme was that today it would be OK. How will you feel tomorrow? When life goes bye... how will you adjust to having taken away another life so that you wouldn't have to live burdened by a child. When life starts is the question that many asked and they can say all that they will about it but we, as of yet, not figured it out. Children are absolutely cognizant when they leave the womb. They just don't know how to communicate without the noise of frustration that you don't understand them elicits from them. It can go on for months and monthhs and months. It has been known to go on for lifetimes.
Men are a big source of the problem in that they would like to dip the wick but won't work with the circumstances that evolve from the tryst. Not many sacrifice their lives for the infant.
Today, many years later there is a groundswell of people that were in on this, that are now having the thoughts that I had then. It is not easy. Everyone is going to have to make up their own minds about how theyare going to feel about this.
My druthers are that I would rather have the children around me. They fill your life with beauty and joy. They give a purpose to an otherwise boring existence.
If you want to find out go and ask some woman that has undergone the procedure. Don't listen to the ones that have gotten cushy jobss to push their beliefs on unsuspecting, unknowing, desperate women in times of stress. They are merely parrots.
Being a man and being in the throes of being close by supporters of Morgentaular, The Canadian Dean of getting the abortion laws changed, I like you was a male and it was not my place to say yes or no.
However that did not stop me from from pointing out the drawbacks to this insanity. What was always my main theme was that today it would be OK. How will you feel tomorrow? When life goes bye... how will you adjust to having taken away another life so that you wouldn't have to live burdened by a child. When life starts is the question that many asked and they can say all that they will about it but we, as of yet, not figured it out. Children are absolutely cognizant when they leave the womb. They just don't know how to communicate without the noise of frustration that you don't understand them elicits from them. It can go on for months and monthhs and months. It has been known to go on for lifetimes.
Men are a big source of the problem in that they would like to dip the wick but won't work with the circumstances that evolve from the tryst. Not many sacrifice their lives for the infant.
Today, many years later there is a groundswell of people that were in on this, that are now having the thoughts that I had then. It is not easy. Everyone is going to have to make up their own minds about how theyare going to feel about this.
My druthers are that I would rather have the children around me. They fill your life with beauty and joy. They give a purpose to an otherwise boring existence.
If you want to find out go and ask some woman that has undergone the procedure. Don't listen to the ones that have gotten cushy jobss to push their beliefs on unsuspecting, unknowing, desperate women in times of stress. They are merely parrots.
Why choose religion?
capt_buzzard wrote: and buzzards
Now. Don't be flattering yourself.
Now. Don't be flattering yourself.
Why choose religion?
JAB wrote: Bluescooter, I think you misread Kensloft. He was referring to those with the cushy jobs as being parrots, not those such as yourself who have had an abortion.
Thank You, Jab. For a moment I thought I'd struck upon a cushy jobber voicing sentiments. Blue scoote,r this is a very emotional topic and it is easy to miss things because of the emotions involved. Take care and talk to ya later.
Thank You, Jab. For a moment I thought I'd struck upon a cushy jobber voicing sentiments. Blue scoote,r this is a very emotional topic and it is easy to miss things because of the emotions involved. Take care and talk to ya later.
Why choose religion?
I believe in the existence of a God. And I have used his word as a guide to my lifestyle and behaviour. Cheers.
Why choose religion?
Bluescooter wrote: What is a "cushy jobber," please? Perhaps I am one and do not realize it. Would a cushy jobber know they are such a thing? By the way, sorry to get "off thread." Abortion is a very sensitive topic. People are killed over this particular topic. I still very adamently believe in allowing choice -- choice of all kinds -- and that this particular choice is between a woman and her God as she knows Him. Perhaps in that regard, why religion? - to guide us from right versus wrong but again who dictates right versus wrong in our society? It is different for every spectrum of being: men, women, children, churches, atheists, priests, preachers, wiccas, ....
Being a man it is not my choice.
A cushy jobber is someone that has gotten into the abortion debate and made themselves into one of the office holders of the debate. They couldn't make it in the real world so they've made sure that their financial yearnings are commensurate with what they think they are worth. Spokespeople for these organizations are the some of the cushy jobs that I am talking about. List is long and... ?
All I can do is say what I feel about the debate. My own personal opinions that were formulated by me are what I speak. I can rationalize to the nth and explain how I came to the conclusions that I have arrived at in my heart of hearts. Some people agree, some people don't. I don't care. I am saying what I feel and think.
By the way, sorry to get "off thread." Abortion is a very sensitive topic. People are killed over this particular topic. I still very adamently believe in allowing choice -- choice of all kinds -- and that this particular choice is between a woman and her God as she knows Him. Perhaps in that regard, why religion? - to guide us from right versus wrong but again who dictates right versus wrong in our society? It is different for every spectrum of being: men, women, children, churches, atheists, priests, preachers, wiccas, ....Being a man it is not my choice.
A cushy jobber is someone that has gotten into the abortion debate and made themselves into one of the office holders of the debate. They couldn't make it in the real world so they've made sure that their financial yearnings are commensurate with what they think they are worth. Spokespeople for these organizations are the some of the cushy jobs that I am talking about. List is long and... ?
All I can do is say what I feel about the debate. My own personal opinions that were formulated by me are what I speak. I can rationalize to the nth and explain how I came to the conclusions that I have arrived at in my heart of hearts. Some people agree, some people don't. I don't care. I am saying what I feel and think.
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kensloft wrote: Being a man it is not my choice.
A cushy jobber is someone that has gotten into the abortion debate and made themselves into one of the office holders of the debate. They couldn't make it in the real world so they've made sure that their financial yearnings are commensurate with what they think they are worth. Spokespeople for these organizations are the some of the cushy jobs that I am talking about. List is long and... ?
All I can do is say what I feel about the debate. My own personal opinions that were formulated by me are what I speak. I can rationalize to the nth and explain how I came to the conclusions that I have arrived at in my heart of hearts. Some people agree, some people don't. I don't care. I am saying what I feel and think.I have to agree with you on this.
A cushy jobber is someone that has gotten into the abortion debate and made themselves into one of the office holders of the debate. They couldn't make it in the real world so they've made sure that their financial yearnings are commensurate with what they think they are worth. Spokespeople for these organizations are the some of the cushy jobs that I am talking about. List is long and... ?
All I can do is say what I feel about the debate. My own personal opinions that were formulated by me are what I speak. I can rationalize to the nth and explain how I came to the conclusions that I have arrived at in my heart of hearts. Some people agree, some people don't. I don't care. I am saying what I feel and think.I have to agree with you on this.
Why choose religion?
I haven't posted here for a while. We had "Do you believe in God" enter here and, somehow, abortion. Threads can wander.
Originally it was a fairly philosophical question regarding why people feel drawn to churches or spirituality. What is it in our hearts and mind that compels us to search for God and meaning, and why does it not compel us all?
Originally it was a fairly philosophical question regarding why people feel drawn to churches or spirituality. What is it in our hearts and mind that compels us to search for God and meaning, and why does it not compel us all?
Why choose religion?
koan wrote: I haven't posted here for a while. We had "Do you believe in God" enter here and, somehow, abortion. Threads can wander.
Originally it was a fairly philosophical question regarding why people feel drawn to churches or spirituality. What is it in our hearts and mind that compels us to search for God and meaning, and why does it not compel us all?
Although this is momentarily a bout of abortion, pro or con, it does still use reference to God and the types of religion and religious choices is yet to be discussed.
Thanks for keeping an eye on us and keeping us on board with the topic. :-4
Originally it was a fairly philosophical question regarding why people feel drawn to churches or spirituality. What is it in our hearts and mind that compels us to search for God and meaning, and why does it not compel us all?
Although this is momentarily a bout of abortion, pro or con, it does still use reference to God and the types of religion and religious choices is yet to be discussed.
Thanks for keeping an eye on us and keeping us on board with the topic. :-4
Why choose religion?
koan wrote: I haven't posted here for a while. We had "Do you believe in God" enter here and, somehow, abortion. Threads can wander.
Originally it was a fairly philosophical question regarding why people feel drawn to churches or spirituality. What is it in our hearts and mind that compels us to search for God and meaning, and why does it not compel us all?
Religious organizations and thereby religions are somtimes reduced to groups who debate right and wrong.
I think the reason the beleif in God will not, as Capt. asked why in this day and age religion, not pass is because it is not about right and wrong.
God is alive and he keeps tweaking our noses to keep us interested. At least that is what I beleive.
Originally it was a fairly philosophical question regarding why people feel drawn to churches or spirituality. What is it in our hearts and mind that compels us to search for God and meaning, and why does it not compel us all?
Religious organizations and thereby religions are somtimes reduced to groups who debate right and wrong.
I think the reason the beleif in God will not, as Capt. asked why in this day and age religion, not pass is because it is not about right and wrong.
God is alive and he keeps tweaking our noses to keep us interested. At least that is what I beleive.
GOD CREATED MAN AND SAM COLT MADE THEM EQUAL
Why choose religion?
timgd wrote: The Bible says " In all thy ways aknowledge him and he shall direct thy paths " . For me, this means look to god for help in any matter, and ask that His will be done; therefore, I dont beleive it to be a reduction when beleivers include God in seeking answers to the rights and wrongs of life's decisions
I agree totally, my problem is when beleiveing in God is reduced to only a concept of right and wrong, when it gets to be the main focus of your beleif I think it gets in the way of truly following Him.
In short, you can't be good enough to deserve Him, there has to be more to it.
I agree totally, my problem is when beleiveing in God is reduced to only a concept of right and wrong, when it gets to be the main focus of your beleif I think it gets in the way of truly following Him.
In short, you can't be good enough to deserve Him, there has to be more to it.
GOD CREATED MAN AND SAM COLT MADE THEM EQUAL