WW3 - New World Order - Pole Shift - Age of Peace (2006-2012)

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:04 pm

Well Koan, I am not yet finished with my work here.

If you would like me to fully engage you, then I would have to ask that you at least let me finish with what I started.

When I am done with this thread, there will be more than enough time for anyone to try and pick it apart and attack it's weak spots, but as for now, you are going to have to wait until I am finished if you want me to get Majorly indulged with what I posted.

koan · Post by **koan** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:56 pm

TruthBringer wrote: Well Koan, I am not yet finished with my work here.

If you would like me to fully engage you, then I would have to ask that you at least let me finish with what I started.

When I am done with this thread, there will be more than enough time for anyone to try and pick it apart and attack it's weak spots, but as for now, you are going to have to wait until I am finished if you want me to get Majorly indulged with what I posted.

ok.

any idea when that will be?

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 1:57 am

koan wrote: ok.

any idea when that will be?
If you're looking for predictions, my guess is sometime in October.....2027 AD.

koan · Post by **koan** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 11:35 am

I don't think I can wait that long.

TruthBringer,

Here's the first problem: The first posts #1-#79 focus on WW3 predictions. They all hinge on Russia being attacked by China and Russia being an ally of the US. Hate to break it to you but Russia is allied to China and Iran. There are a number of articles talking about their growing alliance. Even if that alliance falls apart, it's not going to happen in timing with other events you are relying on.

Post by **spot** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:13 pm

TruthBringer wrote: Well Koan, I am not yet finished with my work here.

If you would like me to fully engage you, then I would have to ask that you at least let me finish with what I started.

When I am done with this thread, there will be more than enough time for anyone to try and pick it apart and attack it's weak spots, but as for now, you are going to have to wait until I am finished if you want me to get Majorly indulged with what I posted.Where is the request for "Majorly" or "fully"? All koan asked you to do was consider "one point at a time" in dialog. Not a huge effort on your part, I'd have thought, since you have so many "facts" at your fingertips.

You've engendered in me a powerful desire to see everything you've predicted here eventuate exactly as you've told it. If any "Controller" wants a willing assistant, he knows where to find me. It's almost a matter of regret that so much of it is witless unhinged disassociated hot air.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:38 pm

Anyways....here's a good question for you guys.

Could The Illuminati And The U.S. Government Be Planning Concentration Camps For People Who Believe In God?

What....here goes Truth again....talking all his nonsense right? Well guess what.....if this turns out to be True, which I believe it is, you might just find yourself as a member of one of these camps.

And this "theory" is pritty creepy.

So what does this mean for all of us who believe in the Supreme Creator/God and Jesus Christ? What will become of all of us when these people truly gain control of our entire country?

They are using the "security" factor to get us all to let them try and keep more on more tabs on the people here almost as if they are trying to eventually reach a point where we will all need ID cards that the government has for all of us to travel from place to place, so that they have our information and so that when their "Master Plan" or "Global Agenda" is put in place, they can find us when they need to.

Why in the world would the Illuminati/Satanists want to allow people who believe in God (at least for the next 6 years why they will still be in power) to roam free and continue to practice our beliefs?

What will they do to try and stop us all while they still have a chance?

Well, with what I am about to post, it may seem a little far out to you guys, and it even does to me, but the more I think about it, the more I have to post it because I can at least say that there is obvious reason to believe that Satanists and the Illuminati do not want people who believe in the One True Supreme Creator - God - to be around on this planet for too much longer. I mean why would they? It totally goes against their beliefs, and it undermines their authority.

But anyways I'm just going to get straight to the post here, you guys can decide for yourselves whether it can be a possibility for us during the next 6 years or not.....

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:41 pm

Perhaps several years ago, many people who believe in God/Christ would not give heed to such a message as this. Only in recent months are many believers suddenly waking up to the sobering reality that we may be facing end time persecution in our nation as never before. Terrorist events never thought possible to occur on our soil have happened. And now, on the wings of public outcry over the twin tragedies of September 11, 2001, draconian laws are being raced through Congress, supposedly in the effort to help curb terrorism, but suspiciously beginning to sound as if we are slowly being turned into a police state. (Go to www.infowars.com for more on the coming police state.)

Many groups and civil liberties organizations are alarmed at what is unfolding in our nation. Are our liberties being sacrificed for "security?" And who can prove that surrendering vital liberties has EVER brought forth "security" or "protection? Some of the harshest dictatorships with the most stringent and oppressive laws in place have provided no genuine security for it's citizens, only oppression and greater controls over the people.

The emerging government/intelligence community definition of "terrorist" is vague, but perhaps quite deliberately. What IS the definition of a "terrorist?" Great penalties are now being dictated both against "terrorists" and those who "harbor terrorists." "Suspected terrorists" can now be detained indefinitely, without a warrant. The term "potential terrorist" is also being used as well.

But what is a "potential terrorist?" You would be concerned to know that under the Clinton Administration, Louis Freeh (former director of the FBI) and Janet Reno (former U.S. Attorney General) put forth the Justice Department's latest definition of a "potential terrorist," which still stands. A copy of this disturbing report was smuggled out of the Justice Department during the Clinton Administration.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:45 pm

Read the following carefully and decide if YOU might fit into their category of a "potential terrorist":

US Attorney General Janet Reno has sent a confidential memo to the U.S. attorneys that an investigation would take place against "right wing and fundamentalist Christ believers."

It states that investigation and surveillance of right wing political groups and fundamentalists, religious organizations and individuals will take place in certain states. Dossiers on targeted individuals are to be compiled and retained in the Washington, D.C. in the Justice Department.

"In the event of a wide spread uprising (as in martial law or a national disaster) these individuals must be viewed as "potential terrorists."

- Janet Reno, former U.S. Attorney General

Wait wait, let's take a look at her statement again to see who is going to be a victim of "martial law" as she called it.

Right wing political groups and fundamentalists, religious organizations and individuals.

Hmmmm....do you fit into any of those categories?

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:53 pm

Now are you alarmed? With our nation in this present state of national disaster and increasing turmoil as biological warfare agents are being mailed out and reports of new threats surface continually, can you see that the above document refers to this time frame we are in?

Do you begin to understand the sobering implications of the term "potential terrorist?" Many Americans could nod their heads in agreement over the harsh new laws being enacted against "potential terrorists," naively thinking that the government's definition of such terrorists might be "wild eyed Moslem religious fanatics" intent on inflicting terror and pain on "the great Satan," America. But now you know there is a much broader definition of "terrorist" that the government has in mind! And that broader definition includes "right wing political groups, fundamentalist believers in God, religious organizations and individuals."

NOW that you realize this, can you nod your head in agreement over these laws being passed...when you realize they can be used against YOU??? Against your Church? Against your Pastor? Against your religious organization? Against your belief system?

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:57 pm

TruthBringer wrote: Now are you alarmed?Finally! A closed question!

No!

Please, for pity's sake, just tell us where to send the money!

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:59 pm

spot wrote: Finally! A closed question!

No!

Please, for pity's sake, just tell us where to send the money!
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!.....*snort*.....*gasp*.......

Oh my GOD, Spot, you're killin me!! Thanks, I needed that laugh!! :yh_rotfl

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:00 pm

Right wing groups also include America's militias as well, not surprisingly. And note how they are now being targeted WITHOUT SUBSTANTIATION as "potential sources" for the anthrax scare! Today it is both Moslem extremists and America's militias being targeted: tomorrow will it be America's Spiritual people/Christ believers and other "potential terrorists"?

People are beginning to become alarmed when they begin to hear government sources being interviewed on national television following September 11th, who constantly used this term "potential terrorists." For most fellow Americans, the hidden meaning was veiled. But for researchers like myself, the term "police state" began to register in my mind. And with it, the indication of end time persecution that will accompany it for the Believers in America.

All that I have been hearing recently in various news reports tends to confirm the hidden government agenda of intense persecution of the Believers in America to come. And, how such persecution would be activated under the great national disasters anticipated to come to our nation (and tragically welcomed or actually encouraged by those elements who have long planned to use such circumstances to bring this persecution into operation and the New World Order into power.)

koan · Post by **koan** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:13 pm

TruthBringer wrote: Anyways....here's a good question for you guys.

That's it? I discredit almost 80 posts with one fact and you reply "anyways". I suggest you look up the definition of conversation. If you don't want a dialogue then you should refrain from asking questions yourself.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:16 pm

koan wrote: That's it? I discredit almost 80 posts with one fact and you reply "anyways". I suggest you look up the definition of conversation. If you don't want a dialogue then you should refrain from asking questions yourself.
It's still a puzzle to me why he didn't put this in the "Journals" area to begin with. Then he could preach and prattle all day long without fear of anyone challenging him. *shrug*

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:29 pm

koan wrote: That's it? I discredit almost 80 posts with one fact and you reply "anyways". I suggest you look up the definition of conversation. If you don't want a dialogue then you should refrain from asking questions yourself.

Koan....get over yourself man. Perhaps in your own little mind you have "discredited what I have been posting"....and thats fine. Continue to believe that.....lol. But just don't expect me to do the same.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:39 pm

TruthBringer wrote: Koan....get over yourself man.
Uh...dude....koan is a woman. And her mind is a lot bigger than most here. Especially when compared to your narrow one.

koan · Post by **koan** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:49 pm

TruthBringer wrote: Koan....get over yourself man. Perhaps in your own little mind you have "discredited what I have been posting"....and thats fine. Continue to believe that.....lol. But just don't expect me to do the same.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. The point is that you are supposed to be convincing us.

Let me explain something, by saying "anyways", with no other comment or defence of your position, you are say "Yes, I know all 80 posts have a fatal flaw but anyways..."

If insulting the size of my brain makes you feel better about having lost round one, then I will excuse it (though with a thank you to BR)

Let me also position myself. I want to believe the world will suddenly come to a blinking end. Unfortunately I see no proof of that. I think there are some serious villians in this world and I want to be able to catch them, but lame ramblings like this thread end up cloaking the very conspiracies they seek to reveal.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:08 pm

This isn't about who's ****** brain is bigger folks. Thats for the "nerds" at the poker table.

No my friends. This thread is about the Truth. A Truth which we will all soon be facing, where none of our opinions will save us, and where we will all be forced to take ACTION if we ever expect to change it.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:12 pm

TruthBringer wrote: This isn't about who's ****** brain is bigger folks. Thats for the "nerds" at the poker table.

No my friends. This thread is about the Truth. A Truth which we will all soon be facing, where none of our opinions will save us, and where we will all be forced to take ACTION if we ever expect to change it.
Sorry, TB, this is a thread about YOUR truth. Not everyone's.

koan · Post by **koan** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:04 pm

TruthBringer wrote: This isn't about who's ****** brain is bigger folks. Thats for the "nerds" at the poker table.

No my friends. This thread is about the Truth. A Truth which we will all soon be facing, where none of our opinions will save us, and where we will all be forced to take ACTION if we ever expect to change it.

Since you repeat yourself so often I will try to speak your language.

koan wrote: I want to believe the world will suddenly come to a blinking end. Unfortunately I see no proof of that. I think there are some serious villians in this world and I want to be able to catch them, but lame ramblings like this thread end up cloaking the very conspiracies they seek to reveal.
Translation: I want to believe you. I want to know the truth. I have been diligently reading your posts so that I might possibly find a shred of evidence or truth in them. I ask you for help resolving a major problem with your reasoning and you refuse.

If you will not answer questions then I will systematically go through the entire thread of 500 posts and follow every spout of yours with a list of errors. Why? Because if we had to listen to you for so long you can damn well listen to me for a while too. It appears to be the only form, other than insults, of communication you know.

koan · Post by **koan** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:29 pm

You introduce Jeane Dixon (then introduce her again, apparently forgetting your train of thought)

Let's talk about Jeane Dixon.

Regarding predicting Kennedy's assasination: She predicted a Democrat would be elected then "But he will be assassinated or die in office though not necessarily in his first term." She later admitted that Ã¢â‚¬Å“During the 1960 election, I saw Richard Nixon as the winner." she predicted unequivocally that "John F. Kennedy would fail to win the presidency". The latter part of the prophesy is as wishy washy as they come. Either/or scenarios.

More Jean Dixon predictions:

World War III would begin in 1958

She foresaw a holocaust for the 1980s

She predicted there would be a cure for cancer in 1967

She foresaw peace on earth by the year 2000.

Ms. Dixon has had a larger number of predictions come true than most psychics but even she made mistakes. But TruthBringer, our very own TruthBringer, apparently does not make mistakes.

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:34 pm

koan wrote: If you will not answer questions then I will systematically go through the entire thread of 500 posts and follow every spout of yours with a list of errors. Why? Because if we had to listen to you for so long you can damn well listen to me for a while too. It appears to be the only form, other than insults, of communication you know.Seriously, don't. I did that between Post #323 and Post #362 over a claimed "quotation" which didn't appear at all in the [inadequately] annotated source, the which source in any event directly contradicting what the "quote" claimed. I ended up posting the entire 2000 words of the original article in here, and TruthBringer still maintains that his "quote" at least paraphrases what the article says. You might note that it doesn't.

The man is not amenable to logic or enquiry. The thread doubtless generates income for the maintenance of the site, so perhaps we should thank TruthBringer and merely leave him to his obsession.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:40 pm

Those who study Bible prophecy have long known that great persecution of believers in Christ shall come to every nation, especially in the end times prior to Jesus Christ's return (In consciousness or physical form). Matthew 24 makes this abundantly clear.

Matthew 24:3 - And as He sat upon the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately and saying, "tell us, when shall these things be? And what shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the end?" (Note carefully the time frame they are speaking of, and realize that He is speaking especially of this end-time period prior to His return).

Jesus begins to explain to them many things. He warns of false Christ's, wars and rumors of wars, of nation rising against nation. He warns them of famines and pestilences and earthquakes in many different places. But then He states that "All these are the beginning of sorrows."

He then begins to expound on the coming reality of end-time persecution.

Matthew 24:9 - "Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you, and YE SHALL BE HATED OF ALL NATIONS for My name's sake. And THEN shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another."

koan · Post by **koan** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:41 pm

Thanks for your concern, spot

I don't think this thread will do much to help his cause.

My attempts to engage this person are over. You are right it is useless. I am merely embarking on a journal of my own that will intertwine with his own. I'm creating a mosaic. It will be beautiful. It will be mine.

koan · Post by **koan** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:44 pm

TruthBringer wrote: He warns of false Christ's, wars and rumors of wars, of nation rising against nation.

Wonderfully placed apostrophe there. Shall we take you to be the false Christ? Since you are infallable, and you are the one spreading rumours of all these things.

Wait. Don't answer that. It's a rhetorical question.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:45 pm

Jesus speaks of false prophets arising and deceiving many.

Matthew 24:11 - He reveals that iniquity, or rebellion, will abound, and the love of many shall grow cold as a result. (Matthew 24:12)

(We know we are witnessing that hour in which rebellion is abounding and even glorified, both in America and throughout the world. Acts of rebellion which people were formerly ashamed of are now being paraded openly in public and glorified on televisions and movies and rap music.)

He concludes this passage describing the nature of end-time persecution before His return by stating, "BUT HE THAT SHALL ENDURE UNTO THE END, THE SAME SHALL BE SAVED ." Matthew 24:13

Note carefully that He did NOT say, "But he that is RAPTURED, the same shall be saved," but rather "He that shall ENDURE UNTO THE END, the same shall be saved." This is speaking of overcoming persecution and temptation and remaining faithful to Jesus Christ even unto death, and it is speaking clearly in the context of end-time persecution.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:45 pm

TB, just how is it you can simply ignore the points and counters made to your arguments and beliefs and expect any credibility at all?? You want a monologue, not a discussion. Why don't you move this drivel to a journal, where you don't have to bother with the tiresome replies and challenges of other members, since you seem to have no interest in addressing them? Your throat-cramming approach will do you more harm than good. 98% of the members here do not even bother to reply to your hyperbole, let alone even read it in the first place.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:52 pm

Only under a coming ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT that is against God and His Christ (the "New World Order" as it is often referred to today) can believers in Jesus Christ be simultaneously hated in every nation. Jesus declares that ALL NATIONS shall hate His followers in the end times prior to His return, and deliver them up to be afflicted (persecution) and to ultimately be put to death.

And when Jesus states "ALL NATIONS," He means "all nations." All nations must then include the United States of America, in order to fulfill His prophetic word which cannot be broken.

Many believers in Christ have lived under the present delusion that serious persecution unto imprisonment and martyrdom can NEVER take place in America. They point to America's God-fearing founders, the Constitution, First Amendment rights, etc., and many other factors to insist that end-time persecution of this nature can not happen on American soil. Or, they insist that before such persecution could ever take place, the "Rapture" will occur (even before they can "suffer the loss of a hangnail" for Jesus' sake) and they will be taken out from end-time persecution before it can come.

Both of these doctrines are deceptions. They have no foundation in the Word of God and in the words of Jesus Christ (Who IS the Word of God.)

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 8:56 pm

TruthBringer wrote: Only under a coming ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT that is against God and His Christ (the "New World Order" as it is often referred to today) can believers in Jesus Christ be simultaneously hated in every nation. Jesus declares that ALL NATIONS shall hate His followers in the end times prior to His return, and deliver them up to be afflicted (persecution) and to ultimately be put to death.

And when Jesus states "ALL NATIONS," He means "all nations." All nations must then include the United States of America, in order to fulfill His prophetic word which cannot be broken.

Many believers in Christ have lived under the present delusion that serious persecution unto imprisonment and martyrdom can NEVER take place in America. They point to America's God-fearing founders, the Constitution, First Amendment rights, etc., and many other factors to insist that end-time persecution of this nature can not happen on American soil. Or, they insist that before such persecution could ever take place, the "Rapture" will occur (even before they can "suffer the loss of a hangnail" for Jesus' sake) and they will be taken out from end-time persecution before it can come.

Both of these doctrines are deceptions. They have no foundation in the Word of God and in the words of Jesus Christ (Who IS the Word of God.)
See? There he goes again. Avoidance, evasiveness, and flat-out ignoring anything that he sees as a challenge to his points. Just complete unresponsiveness. You have nailed the final nail into your coffin, because your unwillingness to actually engage in discussion discredits you completely.

koan · Post by **koan** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:07 pm

And the world shall be filled with people who don't take their medication. And it shall be filled seers throughout time who fail to realize that the whole world is just an illusion even though the proof is right before us. If you close your eyes it isn't there anymore. Yet these open eyed people persist. When will they realize the error of their ways?

Post by **spot** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:04 pm

it seems you can "Talk the Talk" but not "Walk the Walk".

You seem filled with knowledge ("and HATE") others do not have, but yet are not capable of implementing what you say is Gods ONLY law, you have simplified Gods word to a PHRASE taken from the book you say is lies, and yet can't seem to implement it in your own life, why is that?

koan · Post by **koan** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:07 pm

I choose to love you from a distance, your Soul anyways, and I have good reason to do so. There is no rule against this, and I feel strongly in my heart that God wants me to keep out of reach of those who wish to harm me or those who don't resonate well with my Life purpose. Even such as those who push against it.

What paths I have chosen for myself are my own business.

However, if I stated that much of religion is based upon lies, of which it is, than I am only exposing the Truth. People deserve to know the Truth. And they will.

So in all due respect to you, that is pritty[sic] much how the cookie crumbles.

Spectralcloud · Post by **Spectralcloud** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:01 am

...Had to join to see how this soap opera plays out and at times to add my two cents worth

Post by **spot** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:07 am

SnoozeControl wrote: I posted a very nice monkey-with-a-rocket-on-his-back graphic in response to one of his posts about the way AIDS might've been delivered throughout the world, and I didn't get a thanks for my generosity and effort. I was deeply hurt by that.We were all equally upset, Snooze. I almost called you Dorothy for days after.

I'm hoping we'll get him to stop his write-only side for a few days and discuss his motivation. We've tried various ways during the thread. He's solely interested in talking. He hoovers things up and uses them with no discrimination. I doubt if he ever goes near source material, he just googles incessantly and feeds off other sites like a whale on plankton. But perhaps this time he'll come out from under his shell and converse.

Post by **spot** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:22 am

Pinky wrote: OMG - How many fundamental lunatics are on FG exactly?

The suffix of fundamental is quite apt in this case.:rolleyes:Pinky, let me introduce you. Pinky, this is TruthBringer, who is a very clever chap. Nobody doubts his ability to think. I would like to explore his ability to reason, but for the last 500 posts he's refused to allow me to do that. I think he's about to change his mind. TruthBringer, this is my niece Pinky, she's Membership Secretary of the Campaign for Real Zoophilia and Editor of their monthly magazine "Some Like It Wuff". She's looking for donations.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:44 pm

sixyearsleft wrote: TB is lost just like everybody, all you know is wonder, this is his way of learning,

somebody trying to find the answers to life, it's not a crime,
If he was actually "trying to find the answers to life", he would be engaging in conversation and discussion. Not monologue. He is avoiding direct questions, and ignoring what the few who respond to him have to say.

Post by **spot** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:48 pm

sixyearsleft wrote: TB is lost just like everybody, all you know is wonder, this is his way of learning,

somebody trying to find the answers to life, it's not a crime,TruthBringer suffers from inordinate pride, six. He needs to talk head to head on here. Ask yourself whether we're here to diminish him or to heal him, and why we might want to do either. The man needs to learn silence and tears, neither of which are currently a part of his life. If you're going to watch, then at least have the wit to do it in silence.

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:55 pm

sixyearsleft wrote: Whats the point of that BR, if you dont like it dont post here, its easy to avoid,

stop insulting ppl, man your so rude...

I don't feel even the slightest need to obey orders from you, young'un. If you think THAT was rude, wait till you pop into a thread just to call me out again. You need to have all the facts before you go around trying to tell people what to do.

Post by **spot** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:55 pm

sixyearsleft wrote: Your not here to do anything.... it's just a forum:-2We - strange as it may seem - share the same world, six. Of course we're here to do things. Why else does it exist?

BabyRider · Post by **BabyRider** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:57 pm

sixyearsleft wrote: Your not here to do anything.... it's just a forum:-2
We're not here to do anything??? Then WTF is a "DISCUSSION" forum for, exactly? Gee, somehow I thought it was to have discussions. Silly me...