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Change in the RC church comes oh so slowly. Just maybe it will speed up a little bit. Let's hope anyway.
Shalom
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Perhaps the Goddess is not far away in the making.
All Religions Discriminates Against Women
capt_buzzard wrote: Perhaps the Goddess is not far away in the making.
I can see it now, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit bow politely and step aside as the MC for the New World Order presents the Goddess who will now be in first chair due to popular demand..
I can see it now, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit bow politely and step aside as the MC for the New World Order presents the Goddess who will now be in first chair due to popular demand..
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
All Religions Discriminates Against Women
To be honest I think that this Women's Lib and equality talk is kind of what has led to the demise of our society. Although more people today are given the chance to be whatever they want, its left the door open for corruption and a watering down of moral character. Men and women were created different for a reason. One was not deemed inferior in any sense. Just because they were given different roles does not mean they were given a different value. The value of their jobs is only different in terms of how you interpret it. Although I agree that if someone has the skills they should be allowed to do what they'd like, I also think that there are some duties that we need to make sure are still fulfilled. Prime example is motherhood, or parenting for that matter. Women entering the work force is a beautiful thing, dont get me wrong. Women have a lot of insight and skills that men lack. The problem lies in the fact that when they become parents they turn their children over to babysitters, child care centers, etc, and leave the parenting up to a third party because the actual parents have to get back to their "real job." (Another example of how society has put too much emphasis on money.) Children then lack respect for their parents because they arent around. Morals are thrown out the window, and a general lack of interest in life ensues. If there was a parent around, that wouldnt happen. Im not saying women should just stay home, I'm just trying to give an example of how our diregard of roles has led to problems.
And "sin" by the way, is not breaking what the church says, but what God says. For the most part, every church I know obeys the same set of commandments that were given by God.
And "sin" by the way, is not breaking what the church says, but what God says. For the most part, every church I know obeys the same set of commandments that were given by God.
All Religions Discriminates Against Women
lanc4510 wrote: To be honest I think that this Women's Lib and equality talk is kind of what has led to the demise of our society. Although more people today are given the chance to be whatever they want, its left the door open for corruption and a watering down of moral character. Men and women were created different for a reason. One was not deemed inferior in any sense. Just because they were given different roles does not mean they were given a different value. The value of their jobs is only different in terms of how you interpret it. Although I agree that if someone has the skills they should be allowed to do what they'd like, I also think that there are some duties that we need to make sure are still fulfilled. Prime example is motherhood, or parenting for that matter. Women entering the work force is a beautiful thing, dont get me wrong. Women have a lot of insight and skills that men lack. The problem lies in the fact that when they become parents they turn their children over to babysitters, child care centers, etc, and leave the parenting up to a third party because the actual parents have to get back to their "real job." (Another example of how society has put too much emphasis on money.) Children then lack respect for their parents because they arent around. Morals are thrown out the window, and a general lack of interest in life ensues. If there was a parent around, that wouldnt happen. Im not saying women should just stay home, I'm just trying to give an example of how our diregard of roles has led to problems.
And "sin" by the way, is not breaking what the church says, but what God says. For the most part, every church I know obeys the same set of commandments that were given by God.
Very well said. We are becoming a society that has a “career†for everything. Soon their will be a career for giving birth, a career for infant care and a career for toddler through puberty care. By the time the child enters puberty to adult care, they will have been associated with a string of people who’s only obligation to them has been contractual, with the only reward being money. They will grow up to be calculating, cold hearted money making machines because that will have been the example life has given them.
Regarding sin….does that mean I can have a glass of wine now? :wah:
And "sin" by the way, is not breaking what the church says, but what God says. For the most part, every church I know obeys the same set of commandments that were given by God.
Very well said. We are becoming a society that has a “career†for everything. Soon their will be a career for giving birth, a career for infant care and a career for toddler through puberty care. By the time the child enters puberty to adult care, they will have been associated with a string of people who’s only obligation to them has been contractual, with the only reward being money. They will grow up to be calculating, cold hearted money making machines because that will have been the example life has given them.
Regarding sin….does that mean I can have a glass of wine now? :wah:
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
All Religions Discriminates Against Women
Clint :-6
Why not our Lord drank wine?
Shalom
Ted :-6
Why not our Lord drank wine?
Shalom
Ted :-6
All Religions Discriminates Against Women
Ted wrote: Clint :-6
Why not our Lord drank wine?
Shalom
Ted :-6
Deuteronomy 14:26…â€You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires;……………â€
Oh my goodness, "strong drink", wait until the Elders hear about this. God is going to be in trouble.
Why not our Lord drank wine?
Shalom
Ted :-6
Deuteronomy 14:26…â€You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires;……………â€
Oh my goodness, "strong drink", wait until the Elders hear about this. God is going to be in trouble.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
All Religions Discriminates Against Women
The moment you have all been waiting for. It’s the truth, the whole
truth and nothing, but the truth from “Saintsman!â€
All of you who have responded to my new membership in the FG have been
part of my university assigned law lab-project over the past 5 days!
I am currently sitting in the university library finalizing my many,
many printed FG notes from the posts I got through those of you over
the past couple of days so I can begin my essay. Are you a bit curious? Here is the real story!
Indeed, I am a law student and one week ago, I was one of 28 students
assigned a project by our social behaviors & psychology law professor
who has been engaging in this lab-project for five years now. The
assignment and mission was as follows per the syllabi:
Task:
1.) To seek, enroll and investigate a public forum to determine if
you are capable of engaging in intelligent discourse among the members
you interact with. The determination of intelligent discourse will be
graded on conversations and debates that are void of irrational
bantering, dead dogmas, useless expressions of demoralization and ill-
tempered emotional eruptions. (These behaviors are shunned in our
courts and not protocol.)
2.) To experience the “general public’s†ability in rapport,
rationalization, articulation, linguistic ability, maturity and
ability to receive, process, deliberate verbal expressions as
compared to the behavior, demeanor and protocol expected by future
attorneys in a courtroom. (These respondents will represent a general
foundation for the type of character making up your future witnesses
and juries, for better or worse.)
Rules:
The student entering the public forum must continually pose
intelligent questions and responses relevant to the topic and
respondents questions. This will be determined on the basis of the
conversations and debates you print from the web-site discourse and
display on the overhead projector during your oral presentation. The
student has only three days of university sponsored computer lab hours
(no more than eight sitting hours in one period) to conduct, complete
and finalize the discourse.
Objective:
In seeking to engage in a deliberate, rational and productive
discourse in pursuit of knowledge, understanding and truth, the
student must bring up at least one of three controversial subjects in
the forum.
1.) Religion
2.) Politics
3.) Sexual behavior.
Through the duration of the discourse, the student is allowed to
attempt to emotionally debase or incite negative responses by the
respondents of senseless rhetoric providing the student remains civil,
non-abusive and in-control of intelligent rapport throughout. This
will determined, again, by the overhead conversations you display
during your oral presentation of the actual posts, threads or IM’s.
If any student is banned prior to the completion of the discourse,
that will be evidence that a ruling body of the forum determined the
student’s behavior below standard unless the student can provide
physical proof by printing out actual posts and discourse showing
blatant and unjust action on the part of a moderator, web-advisor or
governing partisan of the forum. I would advise students not be
banned for the purpose of your overall evaluation during this lab.
All material must be researched, compiled, analyzed and put into
syllabi required essay form by Tuesday, February 15th, 2005.
Any and all alterations of this prescribed format must be approved by
this professor prior to any action on the student’s part. Questions pertaining to this project are acceptable if posted to my university e-mail address only.
There you have it! Yes, I guess you were guinea pigs, but it was all for the pursuit of education!
For any of you who are interested in my conclusions, I welcome you to read on.
First, my professor was ABSOLUTELY correct when he said it would probably be very easy to incite and draw an unknown respondent into a state of emotional disarray and illogical thought patterns. The more one is able to debase and rock the boat by getting their addressee to act in unacceptable behaviors, the better for that attorney’s foundation of sensible reasoning and controlled behavior.
Notice what my posts were: 1.) “Religion, Children and Whipping Toolsâ€
Actually, I thought I had a good chance of proving my professor wrong as that thread and its posts were quite good and I did not incite a lot of craziness on behalf of the respondents and I did maintain intelligent questions are responses through out.
So, I moved onto to another attempt with a post that would hopefully stir up a bit more emotion, but indeed, be founded on logic! Yes, politics and that of censorship. Ah, my next thread to see if I could appease my professor with the “common folk†who appear in our nation’s courtrooms was titled, “Censorshit … I mean ‘ship’!†The pun was clever I thought. Well, that did it! I got the reaction I was aiming for and not only that, all of the areas of my “character reaction sheet†were soon filled in with all the ugly responses that good ole prof. said would come thanks to those of you who responded.
My conclusion at this point only applies to you FG ppl. who participated with responses.
1. Bill Sikes: You did prove my prof. wrong and represented yourself and your country in an inspiring and intelligent debate in my “religion†thread with rational and well supported debate. Kuddos to you if you want them.
2. Jives: You should be proud too, but you made it clear that you
are an educator and your demeanor represented exactly that of
an educated respondent.
3. For the Canadian responders: Koan (moderator)& Kensloft …
very disappointing. Kensloft, you threatened me in your post!?
Koan, it started off good, but went down hill fast into a pit of
insults and rhetoric that has no place in intelligent debate.
Minks … You represented Canada most beautifully and I truly
appreciate your support (you know what I mean) even though you
were unaware that I was on a mission. You scored highly!
4. For us Americans, I have mixed feelings. There was good, but then we should be ashamed or at least I am! One of the posters said in a thread that American’s know they rule the world and act like it … pompus, arrogant and I will add irrational.
It was quite easy for me to lure Anastrophe into debate, but I conclude that most all your arguments were built one opinion without support before you began the ill criticism and negative demeanor toward me.
Godiva Girl: started off very intelligent and well in the relgion and spanking topic, but went deep south at the end with needless insults and so on.
Babyrider … well, you already know how I have to present your demeanor as one of the “common folkâ€. My goodness, just go over your responses to me and feel the hate, anger and pain I was able to stir up in you. One person should not be capable of inciting such behaviors from another when in a public debate or forum.
Abbey, both good and bad.
Enigma: Bravo to YOU!
Lon: Bravo to YOU!
A Karenia: Bravo to YOU!
Tmbsgrl:
Carla: What the heck was that all about?
Anyhow, I could go on, but I won’t
Onto my biggest challenge. Capt. Buzzard! As the day was nearing an end and I had spent almost 7 hours in the library computer lab, I was unable to entice Capt. Buzzard to join the rhetoric and BS. I was unable to get him to break. His fortitude was impressive, but I continued on and … although I admire your stamina, indeed, at the end of the day Capt. Buzzard did fall in to the trap, at first in a very neutral way, which is commendable, but the last comment posted was one of an ill and emotional statement concerning sunshine and goodness in my life. I had succeeded! I drew him and he took a side! And he made a polite, but still needless emotional comment. Whew, you almost got me.
Now, for all of you who may have been reading all along, but never did join it, I commend you. For those who did join in, but remained calm and intelligent (tombstone man, Bill Sikes, A karenia, Lon, CVX, Capt. Buzzard for 99% of the way, the gentleman with the Shakespeare Avatar [sorry I don’t recall your name] and so on) I commend you more.
Finally, last and most certainly not least! My prime target who I will make as my main subject to prove my professor’s point during my oral presentation … of course, you all know her, Ms. Lady Cop! With all due respect, I have to say that you represented yourself in a manner of ill emotion, irrational thought and combative abuse with no intelligent base or valid debate fashion. I was afraid you were not going to engage, but you did and what a dozzie it was. Not only that, you followed up with another thread to continue it all on!
And for all of you saying I was mean and aggressive toward her, you are right. I had to be to get the results I was investigating for my research. I thought Anastrophe was going to be my target, but then Lady Cop came along and made it all too easy! My luring you into debate is over and I stand true to some of the things I said in my posts, like I do respect you for your infinite worth as a soul, but in court, you would be a prosecuting attorney’s dream to tear apart on the stand.
I even went as far as to do a little research on Linda, I mean Lady Cop per the help of some friends to “investigate†her and nail her to the cross with that web site I posted where she truly was banned, but that action did not get nearly the response that the earlier on did and plus, the “administrator moderator†e-mailed me and told me to be good or I would be banned and that would defeat my entire project.
Okay, it is all said and done on my end as my work here is complete and now must be put into essay and presentation forum. Oh yeah, the question my professor posed about the common public and being able to conduct an intelligent debate per courtroom protocol … and I know, none of you thought you were in a courtroom, but tendencies are usually habitual or … the apple doesn’t fall from the tree theory, well, I will let you guess what my opinion is.
Someone kept responding with several posts telling me to apologize to Cop Lady or else … or else I don’t know what. I think it was that wild Canadian guy, but anyhow, I really am a nice guy who is a law student and enjoyed this project. You may be very distraught that you were unknowingly participants in it, but this is the web and its all public access! My point about the apology thing is that if I offended you, I am sorry as I don’t operate in such a manner on a regular basis, but also remember, I am going to be an attorney too.
Further, I admit that I am arrogant and opinionated, but am usually more couth in how I dispense it. I only had 3 days to get all of you going! Yes, I do like myself and NO, I don’t have 27 children. Anyone who bought into that was kind of goofy! Most all the info on my profile page was made up except I have been to Scotland and Ireland and I did study at Oxford University. The two pictures I posted under the name of Saintsman, well, I am sure you can guess! It all seemed so real! Especially for Lady Cop who really got missed-off with a “pâ€.
I really have no intention or desire to stay at a public forum where I am not wanted so Anastrophe’s analogy of me being a troll that needed to get attention or boost my ego or seek attention and all the rest was humorous! Those who chimed in with their psych eval. of me that mirrored Anastrophe’s were entertaining too. Anyhow, I can clearly see when Mr. “Saintsman†is not loved and he will disappear as mid-terms are coming soon and this thing can get addicting for sure!
Capt. Buzzard, stand your ground from now on and don’t fall prey to cheap “newbies†like me! Man, I thought you had me, but I got you in the end. Like Lady Cop “tipping her King.†Boy, I talked the talk in those posts, aye! That should be the icing on the cake to get me an “Aâ€!
Interestingly enough, I was not banned and for a while there, I thought for sure I would be, but at that point I did not care as I had more than enough proof to present my case as the discussion and or debate went to all emotional Hell and continued on for quite some time! My prof. would have said I was unjustly booted should I have been banned, but FG never did, no matter how many posts there were asking them to from LC and others.
Also, I certainly am not here to create any controversy now, but I will say that some of the censorship that LC did last night probably wasn’t appropriate while other deletions were. Just something for all of you to ponder. I couldn’t care less, I only used the juvenile third grade potty talk story to incite a debate that I would tie to politics over censorship while leading you all down a path of emotional ranting to show my professor (who is a judge in a U.S. circuit court) how well I did in debasing the “common Folkâ€.
I really am truly interested in your comments on this specific post right here and not any of my other ones. Anyone who has read this far now, well … should voice some opinion and at this point, Capt. Buzzard, there are no tricks! I really would like to hear your thoughts on all this.
Then Come Monday evening, I shall unsubscribe myself from your garden and be on my merry way … unless of course, you would like me to stay just a wee bit longer!
Education. It is a wonderful and entertaining experience!
truth and nothing, but the truth from “Saintsman!â€
All of you who have responded to my new membership in the FG have been
part of my university assigned law lab-project over the past 5 days!
I am currently sitting in the university library finalizing my many,
many printed FG notes from the posts I got through those of you over
the past couple of days so I can begin my essay. Are you a bit curious? Here is the real story!
Indeed, I am a law student and one week ago, I was one of 28 students
assigned a project by our social behaviors & psychology law professor
who has been engaging in this lab-project for five years now. The
assignment and mission was as follows per the syllabi:
Task:
1.) To seek, enroll and investigate a public forum to determine if
you are capable of engaging in intelligent discourse among the members
you interact with. The determination of intelligent discourse will be
graded on conversations and debates that are void of irrational
bantering, dead dogmas, useless expressions of demoralization and ill-
tempered emotional eruptions. (These behaviors are shunned in our
courts and not protocol.)
2.) To experience the “general public’s†ability in rapport,
rationalization, articulation, linguistic ability, maturity and
ability to receive, process, deliberate verbal expressions as
compared to the behavior, demeanor and protocol expected by future
attorneys in a courtroom. (These respondents will represent a general
foundation for the type of character making up your future witnesses
and juries, for better or worse.)
Rules:
The student entering the public forum must continually pose
intelligent questions and responses relevant to the topic and
respondents questions. This will be determined on the basis of the
conversations and debates you print from the web-site discourse and
display on the overhead projector during your oral presentation. The
student has only three days of university sponsored computer lab hours
(no more than eight sitting hours in one period) to conduct, complete
and finalize the discourse.
Objective:
In seeking to engage in a deliberate, rational and productive
discourse in pursuit of knowledge, understanding and truth, the
student must bring up at least one of three controversial subjects in
the forum.
1.) Religion
2.) Politics
3.) Sexual behavior.
Through the duration of the discourse, the student is allowed to
attempt to emotionally debase or incite negative responses by the
respondents of senseless rhetoric providing the student remains civil,
non-abusive and in-control of intelligent rapport throughout. This
will determined, again, by the overhead conversations you display
during your oral presentation of the actual posts, threads or IM’s.
If any student is banned prior to the completion of the discourse,
that will be evidence that a ruling body of the forum determined the
student’s behavior below standard unless the student can provide
physical proof by printing out actual posts and discourse showing
blatant and unjust action on the part of a moderator, web-advisor or
governing partisan of the forum. I would advise students not be
banned for the purpose of your overall evaluation during this lab.
All material must be researched, compiled, analyzed and put into
syllabi required essay form by Tuesday, February 15th, 2005.
Any and all alterations of this prescribed format must be approved by
this professor prior to any action on the student’s part. Questions pertaining to this project are acceptable if posted to my university e-mail address only.
There you have it! Yes, I guess you were guinea pigs, but it was all for the pursuit of education!
For any of you who are interested in my conclusions, I welcome you to read on.
First, my professor was ABSOLUTELY correct when he said it would probably be very easy to incite and draw an unknown respondent into a state of emotional disarray and illogical thought patterns. The more one is able to debase and rock the boat by getting their addressee to act in unacceptable behaviors, the better for that attorney’s foundation of sensible reasoning and controlled behavior.
Notice what my posts were: 1.) “Religion, Children and Whipping Toolsâ€
Actually, I thought I had a good chance of proving my professor wrong as that thread and its posts were quite good and I did not incite a lot of craziness on behalf of the respondents and I did maintain intelligent questions are responses through out.
So, I moved onto to another attempt with a post that would hopefully stir up a bit more emotion, but indeed, be founded on logic! Yes, politics and that of censorship. Ah, my next thread to see if I could appease my professor with the “common folk†who appear in our nation’s courtrooms was titled, “Censorshit … I mean ‘ship’!†The pun was clever I thought. Well, that did it! I got the reaction I was aiming for and not only that, all of the areas of my “character reaction sheet†were soon filled in with all the ugly responses that good ole prof. said would come thanks to those of you who responded.
My conclusion at this point only applies to you FG ppl. who participated with responses.
1. Bill Sikes: You did prove my prof. wrong and represented yourself and your country in an inspiring and intelligent debate in my “religion†thread with rational and well supported debate. Kuddos to you if you want them.
2. Jives: You should be proud too, but you made it clear that you
are an educator and your demeanor represented exactly that of
an educated respondent.
3. For the Canadian responders: Koan (moderator)& Kensloft …
very disappointing. Kensloft, you threatened me in your post!?
Koan, it started off good, but went down hill fast into a pit of
insults and rhetoric that has no place in intelligent debate.
Minks … You represented Canada most beautifully and I truly
appreciate your support (you know what I mean) even though you
were unaware that I was on a mission. You scored highly!
4. For us Americans, I have mixed feelings. There was good, but then we should be ashamed or at least I am! One of the posters said in a thread that American’s know they rule the world and act like it … pompus, arrogant and I will add irrational.
It was quite easy for me to lure Anastrophe into debate, but I conclude that most all your arguments were built one opinion without support before you began the ill criticism and negative demeanor toward me.
Godiva Girl: started off very intelligent and well in the relgion and spanking topic, but went deep south at the end with needless insults and so on.
Babyrider … well, you already know how I have to present your demeanor as one of the “common folkâ€. My goodness, just go over your responses to me and feel the hate, anger and pain I was able to stir up in you. One person should not be capable of inciting such behaviors from another when in a public debate or forum.
Abbey, both good and bad.
Enigma: Bravo to YOU!
Lon: Bravo to YOU!
A Karenia: Bravo to YOU!
Tmbsgrl:
Carla: What the heck was that all about?
Anyhow, I could go on, but I won’t
Onto my biggest challenge. Capt. Buzzard! As the day was nearing an end and I had spent almost 7 hours in the library computer lab, I was unable to entice Capt. Buzzard to join the rhetoric and BS. I was unable to get him to break. His fortitude was impressive, but I continued on and … although I admire your stamina, indeed, at the end of the day Capt. Buzzard did fall in to the trap, at first in a very neutral way, which is commendable, but the last comment posted was one of an ill and emotional statement concerning sunshine and goodness in my life. I had succeeded! I drew him and he took a side! And he made a polite, but still needless emotional comment. Whew, you almost got me.
Now, for all of you who may have been reading all along, but never did join it, I commend you. For those who did join in, but remained calm and intelligent (tombstone man, Bill Sikes, A karenia, Lon, CVX, Capt. Buzzard for 99% of the way, the gentleman with the Shakespeare Avatar [sorry I don’t recall your name] and so on) I commend you more.
Finally, last and most certainly not least! My prime target who I will make as my main subject to prove my professor’s point during my oral presentation … of course, you all know her, Ms. Lady Cop! With all due respect, I have to say that you represented yourself in a manner of ill emotion, irrational thought and combative abuse with no intelligent base or valid debate fashion. I was afraid you were not going to engage, but you did and what a dozzie it was. Not only that, you followed up with another thread to continue it all on!
And for all of you saying I was mean and aggressive toward her, you are right. I had to be to get the results I was investigating for my research. I thought Anastrophe was going to be my target, but then Lady Cop came along and made it all too easy! My luring you into debate is over and I stand true to some of the things I said in my posts, like I do respect you for your infinite worth as a soul, but in court, you would be a prosecuting attorney’s dream to tear apart on the stand.
I even went as far as to do a little research on Linda, I mean Lady Cop per the help of some friends to “investigate†her and nail her to the cross with that web site I posted where she truly was banned, but that action did not get nearly the response that the earlier on did and plus, the “administrator moderator†e-mailed me and told me to be good or I would be banned and that would defeat my entire project.
Okay, it is all said and done on my end as my work here is complete and now must be put into essay and presentation forum. Oh yeah, the question my professor posed about the common public and being able to conduct an intelligent debate per courtroom protocol … and I know, none of you thought you were in a courtroom, but tendencies are usually habitual or … the apple doesn’t fall from the tree theory, well, I will let you guess what my opinion is.
Someone kept responding with several posts telling me to apologize to Cop Lady or else … or else I don’t know what. I think it was that wild Canadian guy, but anyhow, I really am a nice guy who is a law student and enjoyed this project. You may be very distraught that you were unknowingly participants in it, but this is the web and its all public access! My point about the apology thing is that if I offended you, I am sorry as I don’t operate in such a manner on a regular basis, but also remember, I am going to be an attorney too.
Further, I admit that I am arrogant and opinionated, but am usually more couth in how I dispense it. I only had 3 days to get all of you going! Yes, I do like myself and NO, I don’t have 27 children. Anyone who bought into that was kind of goofy! Most all the info on my profile page was made up except I have been to Scotland and Ireland and I did study at Oxford University. The two pictures I posted under the name of Saintsman, well, I am sure you can guess! It all seemed so real! Especially for Lady Cop who really got missed-off with a “pâ€.
I really have no intention or desire to stay at a public forum where I am not wanted so Anastrophe’s analogy of me being a troll that needed to get attention or boost my ego or seek attention and all the rest was humorous! Those who chimed in with their psych eval. of me that mirrored Anastrophe’s were entertaining too. Anyhow, I can clearly see when Mr. “Saintsman†is not loved and he will disappear as mid-terms are coming soon and this thing can get addicting for sure!
Capt. Buzzard, stand your ground from now on and don’t fall prey to cheap “newbies†like me! Man, I thought you had me, but I got you in the end. Like Lady Cop “tipping her King.†Boy, I talked the talk in those posts, aye! That should be the icing on the cake to get me an “Aâ€!
Interestingly enough, I was not banned and for a while there, I thought for sure I would be, but at that point I did not care as I had more than enough proof to present my case as the discussion and or debate went to all emotional Hell and continued on for quite some time! My prof. would have said I was unjustly booted should I have been banned, but FG never did, no matter how many posts there were asking them to from LC and others.
Also, I certainly am not here to create any controversy now, but I will say that some of the censorship that LC did last night probably wasn’t appropriate while other deletions were. Just something for all of you to ponder. I couldn’t care less, I only used the juvenile third grade potty talk story to incite a debate that I would tie to politics over censorship while leading you all down a path of emotional ranting to show my professor (who is a judge in a U.S. circuit court) how well I did in debasing the “common Folkâ€.
I really am truly interested in your comments on this specific post right here and not any of my other ones. Anyone who has read this far now, well … should voice some opinion and at this point, Capt. Buzzard, there are no tricks! I really would like to hear your thoughts on all this.
Then Come Monday evening, I shall unsubscribe myself from your garden and be on my merry way … unless of course, you would like me to stay just a wee bit longer!
Education. It is a wonderful and entertaining experience!
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Hey Tombstone,
You got any weed killer?
You got any weed killer?
All Religions Discriminates Against Women
Ah! but the wonderful Lot did that. Nice guy. Of course the story is pure myth as folks don't turn into salt.
Shalom
Ted :-6
Shalom
Ted :-6
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There are two words in the Bible for wine: trux is unfermented grape juice. oinos is fermented grape juice. Whenever we read about Jesus drinking wine it refers to oinos.
So no doubt Jesus enjoyed a good glass of wine with the boys at the pub on any particular evening.
Shalom
Ted :-6
So no doubt Jesus enjoyed a good glass of wine with the boys at the pub on any particular evening.
Shalom
Ted :-6
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kalanu wrote: The sinless Christ went to no pub, would go to no pub to set an example like that. He knew/knows the horrors of this drug that some can handle and others can't, and none should ingest. This should be obvious and common logic.
Oh? And just where do you get this decisive piece of information? Do you have God on hold at the moment? Now that you have saved the world from itself, what is your next trick? There is no need to ask if I am being sarcastic!
Oh? And just where do you get this decisive piece of information? Do you have God on hold at the moment? Now that you have saved the world from itself, what is your next trick? There is no need to ask if I am being sarcastic!
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Dixiespurgirl
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I have always been informed that Jesus partook of the "un" fermented grape juice. I will have to get back with you all on that one..... 
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A Karenina
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kalanu wrote: The Bible contains information on what to do and what not to do. When you learn what to do, you learn what not to do at the same time. And sleeping with one's father is a not to do, neither is offering one's daughter to a mob.
I believe you've missed the point of my post. What to do and what not to do lies largely on one's interpretation of what the Bible means. There are some who defend the story of offering the daughter to the mob, saying that the angel was more important than the girl.
I believe you've missed the point of my post. What to do and what not to do lies largely on one's interpretation of what the Bible means. There are some who defend the story of offering the daughter to the mob, saying that the angel was more important than the girl.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
Aristotle
Aristotle
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kalanu :-6
Sorry to contradict you but according the the Greek NT which I can and have read when it talks about Jesus drinking wine the word used was oinos and that is fermented wine.
Alcohol is not in itself evil. But you are correct that some people cannot handle it so they should leave it alone. Like any drug alcohol has its positive side as well.
And yes Jesus in all likelihood went to the pub at times with the disciples etc.
Shalom
Ted :-6
Sorry to contradict you but according the the Greek NT which I can and have read when it talks about Jesus drinking wine the word used was oinos and that is fermented wine.
Alcohol is not in itself evil. But you are correct that some people cannot handle it so they should leave it alone. Like any drug alcohol has its positive side as well.
And yes Jesus in all likelihood went to the pub at times with the disciples etc.
Shalom
Ted :-6
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capt_buzzard wrote: A Roman Catholic woman in Ireland, has accused the world's religions, including Christianity, of doing serious damage to their credibility by ' systematically' discriminating against women down through the centuries.
The dramatic claim is made in a new book by Sr Nellie McLaughlin, an academic and member of the Sisters of Mercy. She lectures on ecology and her book 'Out of Wonder' is a religious interpretation of evolution of the universe. She says that the earliest religions involved "the worship of a devine and powerful Goddess".
She blames the rise of patriarchy, for the decline of goddess worship and the relegation of women to "second class citizenry".
Its all male world in the major religions.
www.unison.ie
I am a strong and practicing Roman Catholic. Yes I believe women are discriminated against. And I believe that women are treated as second class and for the life of me I cannot understand how the Catholic Church hierarchy have been allowed to get away with it this long. I know that when I (and many others like me) talk about it and try to raise awareness of it, we are ignored even by other women - even my wife does not agree with me! Have we been so deeply ingrained to a way of behaviour that we now just accept it as right?
Whether it is the actual religion or the members of the religious community that treat women as the lesser people I am not sure.
I believe however that to function effectively any religious society or community must replicate the structure of a family. Equal input from all members of the family is vital for its good functioning.
The Roman Catholic Church has never been democratic or fair in treatment of all their members equally - whether it be listening to men and women equally or even allowing different cultures/races an equal say. This I believe is the reason why many of the “decisions†or "rules" handed to the congregation are not treated with any respect and are almost ignored by many people.
As long as this unfairness continues we will continue to lose our members. Less and less of us will remain who will continue to fight from within for a more fair community. I personally envisage troubling times ahead for the Roman Catholic Church unless it amends its unfair ways.
The dramatic claim is made in a new book by Sr Nellie McLaughlin, an academic and member of the Sisters of Mercy. She lectures on ecology and her book 'Out of Wonder' is a religious interpretation of evolution of the universe. She says that the earliest religions involved "the worship of a devine and powerful Goddess".
She blames the rise of patriarchy, for the decline of goddess worship and the relegation of women to "second class citizenry".
Its all male world in the major religions.
www.unison.ie
I am a strong and practicing Roman Catholic. Yes I believe women are discriminated against. And I believe that women are treated as second class and for the life of me I cannot understand how the Catholic Church hierarchy have been allowed to get away with it this long. I know that when I (and many others like me) talk about it and try to raise awareness of it, we are ignored even by other women - even my wife does not agree with me! Have we been so deeply ingrained to a way of behaviour that we now just accept it as right?
Whether it is the actual religion or the members of the religious community that treat women as the lesser people I am not sure.
I believe however that to function effectively any religious society or community must replicate the structure of a family. Equal input from all members of the family is vital for its good functioning.
The Roman Catholic Church has never been democratic or fair in treatment of all their members equally - whether it be listening to men and women equally or even allowing different cultures/races an equal say. This I believe is the reason why many of the “decisions†or "rules" handed to the congregation are not treated with any respect and are almost ignored by many people.
As long as this unfairness continues we will continue to lose our members. Less and less of us will remain who will continue to fight from within for a more fair community. I personally envisage troubling times ahead for the Roman Catholic Church unless it amends its unfair ways.
All Religions Discriminates Against Women
nev wrote: I am a strong and practicing Roman Catholic. Yes I believe women are discriminated against. And I believe that women are treated as second class and for the life of me I cannot understand how the Catholic Church hierarchy have been allowed to get away with it this long. I know that when I (and many others like me) talk about it and try to raise awareness of it, we are ignored even by other women - even my wife does not agree with me! Have we been so deeply ingrained to a way of behaviour that we now just accept it as right?
Whether it is the actual religion or the members of the religious community that treat women as the lesser people I am not sure.
I believe however that to function effectively any religious society or community must replicate the structure of a family. Equal input from all members of the family is vital for its good functioning.
The Roman Catholic Church has never been democratic or fair in treatment of all their members equally - whether it be listening to men and women equally or even allowing different cultures/races an equal say. This I believe is the reason why many of the “decisions†or "rules" handed to the congregation are not treated with any respect and are almost ignored by many people.
As long as this unfairness continues we will continue to lose our members. Less and less of us will remain who will continue to fight from within for a more fair community. I personally envisage troubling times ahead for the Roman Catholic Church unless it amends its unfair ways.
One of the main reasons that I left the RC was because they could not or would not practice what they preached. Do as I say and not as I do was their cop out.
Whether it is the actual religion or the members of the religious community that treat women as the lesser people I am not sure.
I believe however that to function effectively any religious society or community must replicate the structure of a family. Equal input from all members of the family is vital for its good functioning.
The Roman Catholic Church has never been democratic or fair in treatment of all their members equally - whether it be listening to men and women equally or even allowing different cultures/races an equal say. This I believe is the reason why many of the “decisions†or "rules" handed to the congregation are not treated with any respect and are almost ignored by many people.
As long as this unfairness continues we will continue to lose our members. Less and less of us will remain who will continue to fight from within for a more fair community. I personally envisage troubling times ahead for the Roman Catholic Church unless it amends its unfair ways.
One of the main reasons that I left the RC was because they could not or would not practice what they preached. Do as I say and not as I do was their cop out.
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A Karenina
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nev wrote: I am a strong and practicing Roman Catholic. Yes I believe women are discriminated against. And I believe that women are treated as second class and for the life of me I cannot understand how the Catholic Church hierarchy have been allowed to get away with it this long. I know that when I (and many others like me) talk about it and try to raise awareness of it, we are ignored even by other women - even my wife does not agree with me! Have we been so deeply ingrained to a way of behaviour that we now just accept it as right?
Hey there, Nev.
We're all products of our environment to some degree. If your wife was raised in a "traditional" home, taught that good women behave a specific way, then it's very hard to get out of that mindset.
I'm not sure that we always take into account how scary that is. If you've been raised to be child-like all your life, and suddenly are thrust into a position of personal ownership, decision-making, and worst of all - responsibility for your own life/choices...well, it takes a good bit of courage to make that leap.
I think a lot of people just accept it as right because it's easier than trying to change. Some days I'm impatient with it, but usually I feel bad for those who live in fear.
Maybe in time we'll all come around.
Hey there, Nev.
We're all products of our environment to some degree. If your wife was raised in a "traditional" home, taught that good women behave a specific way, then it's very hard to get out of that mindset.
I'm not sure that we always take into account how scary that is. If you've been raised to be child-like all your life, and suddenly are thrust into a position of personal ownership, decision-making, and worst of all - responsibility for your own life/choices...well, it takes a good bit of courage to make that leap.
I think a lot of people just accept it as right because it's easier than trying to change. Some days I'm impatient with it, but usually I feel bad for those who live in fear.
Maybe in time we'll all come around.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
Aristotle
Aristotle
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capt_buzzard
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I believe that women are used by the hierarchy. Its a man's world up there on high and women don't belong. Women in general according to them should be seen to be mothers, and tied to the home. Looking after the husband and children as in any islamic home. But then the Virgin Mary is hailed as the Queen of Heaven and the earth.
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It will only change when Roman Catholics make it change. One can vote with their feet or their pocket book. Either will ultimately work.
Shalom
Ted :-6
Shalom
Ted :-6
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A Karenina wrote: Hey there, Nev.
We're all products of our environment to some degree. If your wife was raised in a "traditional" home, taught that good women behave a specific way, then it's very hard to get out of that mindset.
I'm not sure that we always take into account how scary that is. If you've been raised to be child-like all your life, and suddenly are thrust into a position of personal ownership, decision-making, and worst of all - responsibility for your own life/choices...well, it takes a good bit of courage to make that leap.
I think a lot of people just accept it as right because it's easier than trying to change. Some days I'm impatient with it, but usually I feel bad for those who live in fear.
Maybe in time we'll all come around.
Hi there. I liked your message and sorry for the delay in responding to you.
Men too (in my culture anyway) are brought up in a structured way with clearly defined expectations - what is a good catholic expected to be like? It is quite frightening for us too.
There are sections of any community who feel they are the stronger and pressure others to do as they are told. So whole sections can be brought up to understand their place, no deviation tolerated.
We all need the courage to understand what we have to do to stand up for ourselves.
We're all products of our environment to some degree. If your wife was raised in a "traditional" home, taught that good women behave a specific way, then it's very hard to get out of that mindset.
I'm not sure that we always take into account how scary that is. If you've been raised to be child-like all your life, and suddenly are thrust into a position of personal ownership, decision-making, and worst of all - responsibility for your own life/choices...well, it takes a good bit of courage to make that leap.
I think a lot of people just accept it as right because it's easier than trying to change. Some days I'm impatient with it, but usually I feel bad for those who live in fear.
Maybe in time we'll all come around.
Hi there. I liked your message and sorry for the delay in responding to you.
Men too (in my culture anyway) are brought up in a structured way with clearly defined expectations - what is a good catholic expected to be like? It is quite frightening for us too.
There are sections of any community who feel they are the stronger and pressure others to do as they are told. So whole sections can be brought up to understand their place, no deviation tolerated.
We all need the courage to understand what we have to do to stand up for ourselves.
All Religions Discriminates Against Women
capt_buzzard wrote: I believe that women are used by the hierarchy. Its a man's world up there on high and women don't belong. Women in general according to them should be seen to be mothers, and tied to the home. Looking after the husband and children as in any islamic home. But then the Virgin Mary is hailed as the Queen of Heaven and the earth.
Yes I agree but I would also add that we must recognise further that the heirarchy uses anyone to further their ambitions. It is a man's world yes, but it is also a world where there are those who consider themselves above others, and will expect these "others" to do as they are told. The majority of these "others" will prefer to let things be as they are for the sake of living comfortable lives, even if it means letting themselves be treated as second class. Some of those who are frustrated enough will just walk away from it. Then there are the small minority of us who say NO! and will use everything in our power to fight the injustice - winning is not what matters, the actual battling against unfairness keeps us going in the hope that what's right will ultimately happen.
So yes women are discriminated against. But so are many others and we must recognise and fight against all injustice or not at all.
Yes I agree but I would also add that we must recognise further that the heirarchy uses anyone to further their ambitions. It is a man's world yes, but it is also a world where there are those who consider themselves above others, and will expect these "others" to do as they are told. The majority of these "others" will prefer to let things be as they are for the sake of living comfortable lives, even if it means letting themselves be treated as second class. Some of those who are frustrated enough will just walk away from it. Then there are the small minority of us who say NO! and will use everything in our power to fight the injustice - winning is not what matters, the actual battling against unfairness keeps us going in the hope that what's right will ultimately happen.
So yes women are discriminated against. But so are many others and we must recognise and fight against all injustice or not at all.