Another immigation post

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 7:47 am

Well stop letting them in!:wah: It seems to me that white america is finding out how it was for the Indians. Comeuppance comes in all shapes and sizes. Guess Mexico still has a grudge over Texas!

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:05 am

Trust me, that isnt anything compared to the way it is here! You will hear a 100 different languages in 1 mile square radius than anywhere else on the planet! Noone speaks english here, but the English! (The welsh only speak it when they have to!):wah:

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:07 am

They are on medicaid, foodstamps, and all the other gov't assistance programs, but yet they drive brand new Cadillacs. Sorry no sympathy here. :rolleyes:

Maxi_Uno · Post by **Maxi_Uno** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:10 am

JAB wrote: Don't even get me started on this one. I am a Polish immigrant and it burns me to no end that people of other countries that come here wanting to stay don't have the dignity to learn the language of the country that accepts them. I have examples of it within my own family and it irritates the hell out of me.

Your grudge should be with the people that hire them for cheap labor.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:27 am

Sheryl wrote: They are on medicaid, foodstamps, and all the other gov't assistance programs, but yet they drive brand new Cadillacs. Sorry no sympathy here. :rolleyes:
Yep. same here. Only it's BMW's.

Maxi_Uno · Post by **Maxi_Uno** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:35 am

JAB wrote: I don't deny that but I still have an BIG issue with them - and I include my relatives in this! - not learning the language so that they can assimilate into our society. Inexcusable.

I belive they do, there was a study done and I think 80% of third generation Mexicans speak English.

Maxi_Uno · Post by **Maxi_Uno** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:50 am

JAB wrote: Why wait until the third generation? I'm not expecting recently arrived immigrants to become linguists but I do expect them to become functionally literate so that they can go to the grocery store and be able to read what's on the packages.

I find a lot of them do, you do not learn a language in a day. If they are not wanted here people who employee them should be prosecuted, simple as that, no jobs, no reason to stay.

Maxi_Uno · Post by **Maxi_Uno** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:00 am

ArnoldLayne wrote: Only 80 % of third generation Mexicans speak English. Thats a travesty How can you not speak the language of the country you were born in ?

The study went on to say that English was primary language for these families. The older people did not speak it as much.

You will find here that it is the children of Mexicans that do the translating for the families and it is a fallacy that these people do not try to learn.

pantsonfire321@aol.com · Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:18 am

Immigrant's living in the UK need never learn English... why should they when the council's are bending over backward's to give them interpreter's and print all document's in 5 hundred different language's :-5 .

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:51 am

Try working in a hospital with them! I thought it would be a safe bet, when I came over, that I would at least be able to communicate with most people. I was wrong. You see, english is the only language I speak! :wah:

pantsonfire321@aol.com · Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:23 am

Raven wrote: Try working in a hospital with them! I thought it would be a safe bet, when I came over, that I would at least be able to communicate with most people. I was wrong. You see, english is the only language I speak! :wah:

Silly question time .........

are immigrant NHS worker's screened for HIV/TB seeing as they come into direct contact with patient's .

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:40 am

pantsonfire321@aol.com wrote: Silly question time .........

are immigrant NHS worker's screened for HIV/TB seeing as they come into direct contact with patient's .
For TB, in theory, yes. Not in practice.

For HIV, no.

So it's not such a silly question after all.

golem · Post by **golem** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 12:26 am

IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m a polyglot as were my parents and grandparents.

My Ã¢â‚¬ËœbirthÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ tongue was Hebrew though in our home Yiddish was often used as was English and Arabic. It rather depended on which newspaper my parents were reading at the time (Hebrew / English / Arabic) or if they were having a row (Yiddish!) ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a funny thing, when I use a different language I think in that language. I know many other people who claim that they do not but I canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t see how thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s possible. Anyone any comments on that?

When I came to England for my (theoretically) better education obviously I was totally immersed in English from day one and so picked up a lot of the finer points of the Grammar not to mention a marked extension to my vocabulary including many words comprising of only four letters.

(As an aside the grammar and syntax involved in the use of profanities in English is actually very precise!)

Later I was employed in Germany and set about learning German You think English is difficult to learn? Try German. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s not all that hard to learn to speak German badly but to learn to speak German well is more an art form than a means of communication! The way objects can change gender even in the same sentence is staggering at first!

Try this to see what Mark Twain had to say on the subject.

http://www.crossmyt.com/hc/linghebr/awfgrmlg.html

To me it was a matter of pride and also a matter of respect towards the people of the country in which I was a Ã¢â‚¬ËœGast ArbeiterÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ to learn the language as well as I could. For someone to take up permanent residence in a country and not learn the language of the country is beyond my understanding. Are these people immigrants or colonists?

In England I am constantly amazed at the amount of investment that is being made in producing documentation in foreign languages. I can understand producing official documentation in the major languages of the EU but in Hindi? Gujarati? Chinese? And others besides? Crazy. More to the point, wrong.

The British government must spend an absolute fortune on this.

pantsonfire321@aol.com · Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:30 am

Raven wrote: For TB, in theory, yes. Not in practice.

For HIV, no.

So it's not such a silly question after all.

That's a scandal they should be screened for HIV and barred from contact with patient's ..personally i don't care how hard up the NHS claim to be but letting HIV infected staff have patient contact that's disgusting we have a right to know .

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:05 am

Until that is made part of the immigration and asylum process, it's never going to happen. And it IS scandalous!

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon May 01, 2006 10:44 am

JAB wrote: Don't even get me started on this one. I am a Polish immigrant and it burns me to no end that people of other countries that come here wanting to stay don't have the dignity to learn the language of the country that accepts them. I have examples of it within my own family and it irritates the hell out of me.

Well Jabberwocky, theyre not all like that. Living in Fl for sometime I was introduced to some fine hardworking taxpaying immigrants. You really cant be that absolute by lumping them all into the same.........uhh lump.