Too Close to Home

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:33 pm

sadly, serial killers are not rare in the US...there are approx. 27 operating at any given time in this country. most of them are transient. but as in lee's case, not all. he's a rara avis, one who is home-grown and/or operates in his own back yard. it is very much an American phenomenon. the FBI at Quantico has specialists in this discipline, and there are many excellent books out there. i am very conversant with bundy's case. and we have a particularly nasty thing here named danny rolling who ought to be executed without much further delay. he butchered 5 U. of Fla. college students. and i mean butchered. i watched entire bundy and rolling trials. with utter fascination and horror.

weeder · Post by **weeder** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:42 pm

Son of Sam was prowling the area I lived in in the middle 70s.It was a horrible feeling

sitting in a car after a date or dinner with a friend. .Being a nervous wreck. I used to jump right out of the car and run into the building. Awful

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:52 pm

well Lila, now i am fully engaged...my favorite topic in the world is homicide/criminology. i could go on ad infinitum. what is your daughter's goal? law school? law enforcement? the home-grown killer is compelled by impulses he cannot control (only rarely is it a female)..bundy probably killed a teenage neighbor when he was 15. it escalates. it is controlled for a while, but the frenzy goes out of control. bundy the perfect example. if they do not get caught or die, (green river) they will move on when it gets too hot in the area. but not all of them. some cannot leave their familiar hunting grounds. lee knew he'd get caught. so did bundy eventually. they challenge LE and think they will outsmart LE. but they always make a mistake. i am 99% sure bundy wanted to be captured .the transient serial killers, usually truckers, are opportunists, they pick up high risk females (hookers) who may not be missed. they do it for sport.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:06 pm

actually, bundy was not a butcher, just a prolific gsrden-variety sex strangler a la the boston strangler, desalvo. statistics do not bear out washington state preponderance, but they have had their infamous ones. bundy went from washington to utah to colorado to florida. as for ann rule, i have never been very impressed...she has been dining out on having BRIEFLY known bundy on a suicide hotline, for years, she is a reporter, nothing more, nothing in her books that wasn't gleaned from news reports and trial transcripts.then paraphrased, but good for her. i can see why the public likes to read her. try anything by Robert Ressler, and your daughter might find him compelling. he was FBI profiler. the real deal.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:25 pm

i personally know over 20 murderers. one is definately a vicious serial killer. FBI profiling seems sometimes to be pretty predictable, "loner, white (lee the exception there), blah blah. transient. inadequate" *yawn*. as for the serial killer i do know very well, he is young, very polite, cooperative, and one of the few people i have met in my career with dead shark eyes, nobody home. and i do not mean insane. i mean cold. we have video tapes of him up and down the eastern seaboard shooting and slitting the throats of college kids trying to make a little money in fast food or convenience stores. and begging for their lives. just kids.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:44 pm

bundy in florida...he escaped from colorado jails twice. he could have gone anywhere. but he went to florida, a state guaranteed to execute him. he went to a college sorority,Chi Omega, sneaked in, beat and raped three females, horribly, viciously, a bloody mess, (with a log), he left deep bites. 2 died. this crime was bound to create panic and chaos. then he went way afield of his MO...he kidnapped a 12 year old girl from a schoolyard. and raped and murdered her. an alert patrol cop got him on a driving violation. found burgler tools and other suspicious items. ran his prints, they had a wanted killer. bundy thought he was smart. there is a myth he was so brilliant and personable...not so. he was an arrogant ass and fired his own attorneys. the bite marks and the only living witness convicted him. when it was finally his time he was a sniveling coward who tried to trade his life for where the bodies were buried. nope, too late for that teddy. he went to his execution whining and crying. doesn't bother me a bit. i spent 12 hours with a death row inmate who was about to be executed who told me plenty about ted. he was a dead man walking, and spent 18 years on the row, and had no reason to lie, he wanted to talk. so i picked his brain.

koan · Post by **koan** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:03 pm

Very fascinating topic. I always enjoyed real life stories over fictional in this field. I am a foolish woman who used to go out at 2 am for "a walk" in Toronto by myself just to prove I could. I didn't want to live in fear...and still don't. One night I wasn't sure if someone was following me for a few blocks and realized that it was one thing to go out when I needed something and another to make myself a target for no good reason. I generally walk like I have no fear and haven't been bothered so far. Knock on wood. You just never know. But then if I think about it I will lose the enjoyment of my life. When it's your time...

I don't think being murdered is really that common an event. I've got more chance of dying from cigarettes. So they tell me in large print on my packages.

Bothwell · Post by **Bothwell** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 2:31 am

By coincidence I watched a documentary here last night about Mr Bundy and knowing the case fairly well I have to agree with LC about this, Anne Rule was all over the place spouting off as if she had spent years in his company. In truth as LC has said she spent a few months with him answering phones on a suicide hotline.

Robert Ressler was on and he was very informative. What was interesting to me was that in his earlier killing sprees I believe that Bundy was caught almost by accident, ie he ran when pulled over for a traffic stop. I wonder how many serial killers have actually been caught by the likes of Quantico or by just luck. Our very own Yorkshire Ripper (Peter Sutcliffe) was never going to be caught until two beat coppers pulled him over and saw him ditch a screwdriver into the bushes nearby, even then they ignired it until one thought he would go back later on and have a look to see what it was.

Incidentally our most prolific killer to date (Dr Harold Shipman) who was convicted of 20 or so killings (I might be wrong) but was almost certainly responsible for in excess of 200 is now being investigated for killings that occurred whilst he was training to be a doctor. Doc harold may get over 300

koan · Post by **koan** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:28 am

lilafran wrote: Bothwell....hi......

What do you think of Patricia Cornwell's work of non-fiction where she claims to have solve the Jack-the- Ripper murders?

Lila

I saw that on tv. I think her theory has a lot of merit. I was impressed.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:16 am

hello Lila...the young killer in question , a white male, age about 25, has been languishing in my sheriff's jail for over three years awaiting trial. since it is a death penalty case the game plan is delay, delay, delay. he is deemed a flight risk and is kept locked down 23 hours a day, only let out for an hour a night for shower and phone. he cannot be moved anywhere without two officers and shackles. this guy has nothing to lose. ....i don't know a lot about lee, he did not compell my attention in any unusual way. but i do remember the mothers of his victims and how they drove that investigation. Ressler had a book a few years back, something about hunting or fighting monsters...check your local bookseller or library for his works.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:54 am

i am shocked barnes and noble had no ressler

, did you ask if they could order it? very odd. glad you found something good, come back and say what you think of it