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McCartneys put spotlight on seal hunt
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pass it on gang
we have been trying to end this for decades. Your help is appreciated.
we have been trying to end this for decades. Your help is appreciated.
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minks wrote: pass it on gang
we have been trying to end this for decades. Your help is appreciated.
BTW we have a current 3 year ban on hunting the grizzly bear due to it's near extinction, if we don't stop the dam seal hunts we will be in the same boat. DON"T BUY FUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we have been trying to end this for decades. Your help is appreciated.
BTW we have a current 3 year ban on hunting the grizzly bear due to it's near extinction, if we don't stop the dam seal hunts we will be in the same boat. DON"T BUY FUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
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the cruel reality.......:-1
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OpenMind wrote: I found it here.
www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/566342047
This gives the article as well.
thanks OM that worked. I signed.
www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/566342047
This gives the article as well.
thanks OM that worked. I signed.
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Thanks Open for the link, I went and signed it.
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lady cop wrote: McCartneys put spotlight on seal huntTalk about biting the hand that saves you! :-3
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objecti ... _page.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objecti ... _page.html
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tmbsgrl wrote: om.. I did post another link.. It is on page 1 post 3. 
Yes, I saw it. I just thought it would be better in the first post.
Yes, I saw it. I just thought it would be better in the first post.
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Life’s tough. There’s a limited amount of resources including or rather especially fish.
Seals eat fish, it’s them or us.
It’s not as if the species is being exterminated, simply kept to sustainable numbers. The way it’s done? Ever been in a slaughter house? Or a Chicken processing factory? You’ll see far worse there, especially in the case of chickens. Pig processing is even worse, yet it’s done each and every day.
Sorry, folks, welcome to the real world. It’s dog eat dog, eat or be eaten.
Get used to it – if you don’t like what you see – simple.
Don’t look.
Seals eat fish, it’s them or us.
It’s not as if the species is being exterminated, simply kept to sustainable numbers. The way it’s done? Ever been in a slaughter house? Or a Chicken processing factory? You’ll see far worse there, especially in the case of chickens. Pig processing is even worse, yet it’s done each and every day.
Sorry, folks, welcome to the real world. It’s dog eat dog, eat or be eaten.
Get used to it – if you don’t like what you see – simple.
Don’t look.
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tmbsgrl wrote: I used to live next to a PIG slaughter house. They made the most horrile noise.. Pigs CRY AND SCREAM LIKE A LITTLE GIRL OR A WOMAN when they get killed. When I first moved into those apartments I didn't know that it was a slaughter house.. My ex and I heard someone "screaming" about 8 pm and we ran outside to help.. As we got closer to that slaughter house it got louder.. We made the mistake of opening the door. Since that day I haven't touched pork. If my hubby eats it I want to puke. I still have nightmares about those poor things screaming so loud. Sounded like a child was getting murdered. One day one got loose and I hid it in my APT. Then I gave it to my friend that had a farm.. He calls it lucky. :-1
That's horrific, Tmbsgrl
That's horrific, Tmbsgrl
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golem wrote: Life’s tough. There’s a limited amount of resources including or rather especially fish.
Seals eat fish, it’s them or us.
It’s not as if the species is being exterminated, simply kept to sustainable numbers. The way it’s done? Ever been in a slaughter house? Or a Chicken processing factory? You’ll see far worse there, especially in the case of chickens. Pig processing is even worse, yet it’s done each and every day.
Sorry, folks, welcome to the real world. It’s dog eat dog, eat or be eaten.
Get used to it – if you don’t like what you see – simple.
Don’t look.
and so we kill off the seals for eating our fish then the next thing ya know we have an over population of fish causing some other biological over population problem. We raise cows and pigs etc to eat without throwing mother nature into a tizzy. If we keep slaughtering the seals like we do, we will not have any seals left. As well this issue is about the method used for killing these creatures. Again this is where we cry foul.
Seals eat fish, it’s them or us.
It’s not as if the species is being exterminated, simply kept to sustainable numbers. The way it’s done? Ever been in a slaughter house? Or a Chicken processing factory? You’ll see far worse there, especially in the case of chickens. Pig processing is even worse, yet it’s done each and every day.
Sorry, folks, welcome to the real world. It’s dog eat dog, eat or be eaten.
Get used to it – if you don’t like what you see – simple.
Don’t look.
and so we kill off the seals for eating our fish then the next thing ya know we have an over population of fish causing some other biological over population problem. We raise cows and pigs etc to eat without throwing mother nature into a tizzy. If we keep slaughtering the seals like we do, we will not have any seals left. As well this issue is about the method used for killing these creatures. Again this is where we cry foul.
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tmbsgrl wrote: Very.. It sounds really stupid but I'll never get over living there. We moved as soon as our lease was up. 
The nearest I came to this "reality" was seeing a lorry pass by and I could see through the slats in the container... seemingly millions of live chickens were packed in there, none able to move and all crying out. Makes me ashamed to be a part of it all but I am because I don't actively try to stop it.
The nearest I came to this "reality" was seeing a lorry pass by and I could see through the slats in the container... seemingly millions of live chickens were packed in there, none able to move and all crying out. Makes me ashamed to be a part of it all but I am because I don't actively try to stop it.
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It’s not as if the species is being exterminated, simply kept to sustainable numbers. The way it’s done? Ever been in a slaughter house? Or a Chicken processing factory? You’ll see far worse there, especially in the case of chickens. Pig processing is even worse, yet it’s done each and every day.
Sorry, folks, welcome to the real world. It’s dog eat dog, eat or be eaten.
Get used to it – if you don’t like what you see – simple.
That's hardly an excuse. We can do something about it. Culling and slaughtering could at least be done humanely.:-5
It’s not as if the species is being exterminated, simply kept to sustainable numbers. The way it’s done? Ever been in a slaughter house? Or a Chicken processing factory? You’ll see far worse there, especially in the case of chickens. Pig processing is even worse, yet it’s done each and every day.
Sorry, folks, welcome to the real world. It’s dog eat dog, eat or be eaten.
Get used to it – if you don’t like what you see – simple.
That's hardly an excuse. We can do something about it. Culling and slaughtering could at least be done humanely.:-5
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Oh if we think this is bad I could tell you what happens to calves who are raised for veal? Very awful.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
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minks wrote: Oh if we think this is bad I could tell you what happens to calves who are raised for veal? Very awful.
Don't spare us the details, Minks.
Don't spare us the details, Minks.
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Clipper wrote: Well I don't want to come across as callous or cruel but I raise animals here to feed me and my family. I raise/slaughter 2 pigs and at least 2 beef cows every year. My animals are treated better than most folks treat their own kids. I don't hesitate to call the Vet in even tho he charges me $100 just to put the ignition key into his truck. Come slaugher time I put em down as humanely as possible using my trusty rifle. I do not condone cruelty in any manner and have raised my sons to respect the animals that are losing their lives to fill our freezers.
Now I don't know all of the facts concerning the slaughter of these baby seals but I have heard that tradition plays a big part in how the Indians there dispose of them and also that this is a food source for the tribe.
At any rate....until I get unbiased facts I'm not going to pass judgement on any man for trying to feed his family using animals that are available in his area.
The slaughter of the seals by the fishermen is not always throrough so these seals often suffer and are still living at times when they are being skinned. I have no problem with the native folks wanting them as food and for the skins... However the natives actually ensure the seals are dead before they carry on. The fishermen are careless. Seals are not killed for food beyond what the natives need. Fishermen see them as a nusience and are careless on how they kill.
As for you clipper, there is nothing wrong with raising animals for feed that is what humans have to have, we need our meet, the whole thing is it has to be done so no cruelty is done to the animals.
Veal is horrible.... Veal is young Calf meet, and for the tenderness the meat has to not get much exercise as this will make it tough. Young calves are put into pens and raised to optimum age (not very old) they are not allowed to wander about, they are fed high quality grain, laced with hormones. Many calves can barely stand as they are not developed enough to hold up their weight. They are treated merely like a vessel for the tender young meat. Yes it is nourishment for us humans but I am sorry the entire time of the calves life they are being treated inhumanely. Veal is evil.
Now I don't know all of the facts concerning the slaughter of these baby seals but I have heard that tradition plays a big part in how the Indians there dispose of them and also that this is a food source for the tribe.
At any rate....until I get unbiased facts I'm not going to pass judgement on any man for trying to feed his family using animals that are available in his area.
The slaughter of the seals by the fishermen is not always throrough so these seals often suffer and are still living at times when they are being skinned. I have no problem with the native folks wanting them as food and for the skins... However the natives actually ensure the seals are dead before they carry on. The fishermen are careless. Seals are not killed for food beyond what the natives need. Fishermen see them as a nusience and are careless on how they kill.
As for you clipper, there is nothing wrong with raising animals for feed that is what humans have to have, we need our meet, the whole thing is it has to be done so no cruelty is done to the animals.
Veal is horrible.... Veal is young Calf meet, and for the tenderness the meat has to not get much exercise as this will make it tough. Young calves are put into pens and raised to optimum age (not very old) they are not allowed to wander about, they are fed high quality grain, laced with hormones. Many calves can barely stand as they are not developed enough to hold up their weight. They are treated merely like a vessel for the tender young meat. Yes it is nourishment for us humans but I am sorry the entire time of the calves life they are being treated inhumanely. Veal is evil.
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Now I don't know all of the facts concerning the slaughter of these baby seals but I have heard that tradition plays a big part in how the Indians there dispose of them and also that this is a food source for the tribe.
At any rate....until I get unbiased facts I'm not going to pass judgement on any man for trying to feed his family using animals that are available in his area.
That's fair comment, Clipper. But I don't think that the traditional folk were this inhumane. Clubbing doesn't always bring about death, and these creatures are being skinned and cut open while still alive.
At any rate....until I get unbiased facts I'm not going to pass judgement on any man for trying to feed his family using animals that are available in his area.
That's fair comment, Clipper. But I don't think that the traditional folk were this inhumane. Clubbing doesn't always bring about death, and these creatures are being skinned and cut open while still alive.
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OpenMind wrote:
That's fair comment, Clipper. But I don't think that the traditional folk were this inhumane. Clubbing doesn't always bring about death, and these creatures are being skinned and cut open while still alive.
zactly
That's fair comment, Clipper. But I don't think that the traditional folk were this inhumane. Clubbing doesn't always bring about death, and these creatures are being skinned and cut open while still alive.
zactly
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Clipper wrote: Well I'm with ya on the veal calves deal minks. I refuse to eat veal and I'd vote to outlaw the use of calves for veal inna minnit.
I buy my beef calves from a friend who breeds Belted Galloways just for beef purposes. That damn fool even installed a car wash in his barn just for them durn cows....LOL!!
Yep I don't do veal either. Tis criminal how they are raised. That is my whole issue on eating meat. Humane treatment. Sadly it is a NON issue with large corporation.
I buy my beef calves from a friend who breeds Belted Galloways just for beef purposes. That damn fool even installed a car wash in his barn just for them durn cows....LOL!!
Yep I don't do veal either. Tis criminal how they are raised. That is my whole issue on eating meat. Humane treatment. Sadly it is a NON issue with large corporation.
�You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.�
• Mae West
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minks wrote: Oh if we think this is bad I could tell you what happens to calves who are raised for veal? Very awful.
So what exactly should be done to male calves? They're no use for dairy other than select animals being used for sperm production and not a lot of use for beef as the meat is not at all good. In the case of the vast majority of bull calves if they are not used for veal then they simply go into pet food.
They get killed either way.
Anyway veal is great! Shoulder of veal is wonderful with new potatoes and as for wiener schnitzel - really nice with an echter jager-sauce.
What’s more veal doesn’t automatically equate to veal crates.
Veal crates do produce the whitest flesh but the difference in eating quality is virtually impossible to notice between a piece of veal from a crated animal or from a barn animal.
In any case the use of veal crates is banned in the UK production of veal.
So what exactly should be done to male calves? They're no use for dairy other than select animals being used for sperm production and not a lot of use for beef as the meat is not at all good. In the case of the vast majority of bull calves if they are not used for veal then they simply go into pet food.
They get killed either way.
Anyway veal is great! Shoulder of veal is wonderful with new potatoes and as for wiener schnitzel - really nice with an echter jager-sauce.
What’s more veal doesn’t automatically equate to veal crates.
Veal crates do produce the whitest flesh but the difference in eating quality is virtually impossible to notice between a piece of veal from a crated animal or from a barn animal.
In any case the use of veal crates is banned in the UK production of veal.
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golem wrote: So what exactly should be done to male calves? They're no use for dairy other than select animals being used for sperm production and not a lot of use for beef as the meat is not at all good. In the case of the vast majority of bull calves if they are not used for veal then they simply go into pet food.
They get killed either way.
Anyway veal is great! Shoulder of veal is wonderful with new potatoes and as for wiener schnitzel - really nice with an echter jager-sauce.
What’s more veal doesn’t automatically equate to veal crates.
Veal crates do produce the whitest flesh but the difference in eating quality is virtually impossible to notice between a piece of veal from a crated animal or from a barn animal.
In any case the use of veal crates is banned in the UK production of veal.
Golem, you really do appear to have missed the point of this thread.:-5
They get killed either way.
Anyway veal is great! Shoulder of veal is wonderful with new potatoes and as for wiener schnitzel - really nice with an echter jager-sauce.
What’s more veal doesn’t automatically equate to veal crates.
Veal crates do produce the whitest flesh but the difference in eating quality is virtually impossible to notice between a piece of veal from a crated animal or from a barn animal.
In any case the use of veal crates is banned in the UK production of veal.
Golem, you really do appear to have missed the point of this thread.:-5
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minks wrote: Yep I don't do veal either. Tis criminal how they are raised. That is my whole issue on eating meat. Humane treatment. Sadly it is a NON issue with large corporation.
I refuse to eat veal, lamb or baby ANYTHING!
Might as well make kitten pies!:mad:
As for the harp seal slaughter, HOW CAN THEY!!!! Get peta to interfere! They are great at sabbing an op like this!
I will never wear fur, yet I do wear leather. But I also eat beef. Full grown, and I drink milk. I am thankful for the animal that provides me food.
We have much to answer for on the stewardship of the living things that share our planet.
I dont get anything from KFC. I buy free range eggs. And I absolutely am against fox hunting. I wear makeup that isnt made from whale fat, and I eat dolphin friendly tuna!
It's time to make a stand against barbaric clubbing of baby seals! I puke at the thought of those helpless babies being slaughtered like that! For what???? So j-lo can wear her fur? :-1 :-5 Looks better on the babies if you ask me! Mink looks better on the minks! How many species are we willing to annilhate?
I refuse to eat veal, lamb or baby ANYTHING!
Might as well make kitten pies!:mad:
As for the harp seal slaughter, HOW CAN THEY!!!! Get peta to interfere! They are great at sabbing an op like this!
I will never wear fur, yet I do wear leather. But I also eat beef. Full grown, and I drink milk. I am thankful for the animal that provides me food.
We have much to answer for on the stewardship of the living things that share our planet.
I dont get anything from KFC. I buy free range eggs. And I absolutely am against fox hunting. I wear makeup that isnt made from whale fat, and I eat dolphin friendly tuna!
It's time to make a stand against barbaric clubbing of baby seals! I puke at the thought of those helpless babies being slaughtered like that! For what???? So j-lo can wear her fur? :-1 :-5 Looks better on the babies if you ask me! Mink looks better on the minks! How many species are we willing to annilhate?
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
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lady cop wrote: McCartneys put spotlight on seal hunt
This is just sickening. I cant stand it. It absolutely breaks my heart.:-1
This is just sickening. I cant stand it. It absolutely breaks my heart.:-1
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
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OpenMind wrote: Golem, you really do appear to have missed the point of this thread.:-5
I don’t think that I have.
Seal culling is one of those things that has to be done. Like a lot of things it’s not something that you can take any Joe Blow out from his office, hand him a club, and say ‘Go seek’, it’s a thing that people who live in a specific environment simply have to do. Ot copes with the territory.
The reaction to the seal cull is in many ways like the horror that many people feel when they see the realities of war brought into their livingrooms. They’re exposed to a bit of reality and it comes as a shock.
When I was university one of the jobs that I had to help pay my way was in a slaughterhouse. I was at first horrified and sickened at what I saw. It didn’t last long.
It wasn’t that I became hardened, it was that I learned about what had to be done and soon was able to work along with the rest.
If people were exposed to the reality of a slaughterhouse on TV on their livingrooms and it was presented in the same saccharine doused over sentimentalised manner that the cull of the seal pups is there would in all probability be rioting in the streets wherever there was a meat outlet.
For that matter the calm so often shown in the cockpit of a jetliner as it comes in to land is often way off the mark when there’s a crosswind, a short runway, and a stack of aircraft behind and on finals. Just sit in the jump seat of a Shorts 360 as it comes in to land at Belfast City airport on a rainy windy night in December. It’s a learning experience.
As for veal – these calves are going to be killed They are not going to be let to grow into bulls and then killed, they’re doomed – end of story.
On that basis why not eat the meat from them as the alternative is that it will end up as pet food as the bits that aren’t edible do anyway.
As an aside – here in the UK we’re finally getting free from the devastation of a devils combination of foot and mouth disease and an incompetent government. It wasn’t that long ago that there were huge pyres of dead beasts being shown on our TV each night.
The amazing thing was the reaction that so many of our kids had to this. They really couldn’t associate beast with food and saw the dead animals as destroyed farmers pets – really.
So although cruelty in the form of torture or the deliberate prolongation of the slaughtering of an animal is unquestionably wrong there is simply no nice clean easy soft gentle way to kill any living creature.
In reality the clubbing of a seal pup is probably far more humane than shooting the things where instant unconsciousness is most unlikely unless a head shot is always achieved – and it won’t be,
Furthermore the people doing the culling have no desire to cause suffering to anything. I take stories about animals being flayed alive being common practice very much with a pinch of salt.
I don’t think that I have.
Seal culling is one of those things that has to be done. Like a lot of things it’s not something that you can take any Joe Blow out from his office, hand him a club, and say ‘Go seek’, it’s a thing that people who live in a specific environment simply have to do. Ot copes with the territory.
The reaction to the seal cull is in many ways like the horror that many people feel when they see the realities of war brought into their livingrooms. They’re exposed to a bit of reality and it comes as a shock.
When I was university one of the jobs that I had to help pay my way was in a slaughterhouse. I was at first horrified and sickened at what I saw. It didn’t last long.
It wasn’t that I became hardened, it was that I learned about what had to be done and soon was able to work along with the rest.
If people were exposed to the reality of a slaughterhouse on TV on their livingrooms and it was presented in the same saccharine doused over sentimentalised manner that the cull of the seal pups is there would in all probability be rioting in the streets wherever there was a meat outlet.
For that matter the calm so often shown in the cockpit of a jetliner as it comes in to land is often way off the mark when there’s a crosswind, a short runway, and a stack of aircraft behind and on finals. Just sit in the jump seat of a Shorts 360 as it comes in to land at Belfast City airport on a rainy windy night in December. It’s a learning experience.
As for veal – these calves are going to be killed They are not going to be let to grow into bulls and then killed, they’re doomed – end of story.
On that basis why not eat the meat from them as the alternative is that it will end up as pet food as the bits that aren’t edible do anyway.
As an aside – here in the UK we’re finally getting free from the devastation of a devils combination of foot and mouth disease and an incompetent government. It wasn’t that long ago that there were huge pyres of dead beasts being shown on our TV each night.
The amazing thing was the reaction that so many of our kids had to this. They really couldn’t associate beast with food and saw the dead animals as destroyed farmers pets – really.
So although cruelty in the form of torture or the deliberate prolongation of the slaughtering of an animal is unquestionably wrong there is simply no nice clean easy soft gentle way to kill any living creature.
In reality the clubbing of a seal pup is probably far more humane than shooting the things where instant unconsciousness is most unlikely unless a head shot is always achieved – and it won’t be,
Furthermore the people doing the culling have no desire to cause suffering to anything. I take stories about animals being flayed alive being common practice very much with a pinch of salt.
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riiiiiiiiiiiight. and the US didnt kill thousands of children in japan with a nuke either.
Mankind as a general rule of thumb, is a cruel and heartless lot. A little bit of conscience never hurts a thing.
What you are trying to make excuses for, is the slaughter of the BABY seals! Why not cull the adults? Because their skin isnt what they are after. It's the white fur of the BABIES!
Where in the FU**ING world is it sooooooooooooo FU**ING cold that people NEED to wear BABY seal fur???? FU**ING NOWHERE!!!
(sorry for the obscenity, but this subject REALLY winds me up!)
Mankind as a general rule of thumb, is a cruel and heartless lot. A little bit of conscience never hurts a thing.
What you are trying to make excuses for, is the slaughter of the BABY seals! Why not cull the adults? Because their skin isnt what they are after. It's the white fur of the BABIES!
Where in the FU**ING world is it sooooooooooooo FU**ING cold that people NEED to wear BABY seal fur???? FU**ING NOWHERE!!!
(sorry for the obscenity, but this subject REALLY winds me up!)
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
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Clipper wrote: Of course we did. We were at war with an enemy who struck at us first on 7 December. Japan needed to be beaten into surrender....the bomb did just that....and saved countless American lives. No one goes to war with the intent of losing.....especially not America. Deal with it.....always been that way....always will be that way.
Dude, I was in the US navy during the first persian gulf war.
Japan struck a MILITARY base in hawaii which wasnt a state yet.
I was being quite sarcastic with that comment.
I believe we could have done better at targeting with those bombs.
I understand what motivated the government in using them.
My dad was a vietnam era vet.
And I also understand what kind of enemy japan was. I treat loads of burma vets over here. Let me tell you! They have stories that would curl your hair!
Thats when they talk of it. Alot of them wont.
My objection is to the useless slaughter of lives. What threat did those children pose to the US? Lets be honest....absolutely none.
Dude, I was in the US navy during the first persian gulf war.
Japan struck a MILITARY base in hawaii which wasnt a state yet.
I was being quite sarcastic with that comment.
I believe we could have done better at targeting with those bombs.
I understand what motivated the government in using them.
My dad was a vietnam era vet.
And I also understand what kind of enemy japan was. I treat loads of burma vets over here. Let me tell you! They have stories that would curl your hair!
Thats when they talk of it. Alot of them wont.
My objection is to the useless slaughter of lives. What threat did those children pose to the US? Lets be honest....absolutely none.
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
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Clipper wrote: Of course we did. We were at war with an enemy who struck at us first on 7 December. Japan needed to be beaten into surrender....the bomb did just that....and saved countless American lives. No one goes to war with the intent of losing.....especially not America. Deal with it.....always been that way....always will be that way.
I couldn’t agree more.
All people today see is the use of a devastating weapon, a weapon that the Japanese were desperately trying to make themselves at the time as was Nazi Germany and had it not been for the loss of the deutritium in the attack by British forces in Norway so robbing the Nazis of the material that was to be used as a moderator in the German design bomb and had the shipment of fissile material from Germany reached Japan then the boot would have very much been on the other foot.
The US carries no guilt for the use of the A bomb on Japan. It undoubtedly saved hundreds of thousands of lives on both sides by so doing.
And why cull the juvenile seals? asks Raven.
Simple.
The primary object is not the pelt, it’s the mouth. It’s the mouth that devastates fish populations, fish that are needed for people.
By the time the seals reach maturity they’ve eaten tons of fish each. Take out the young and you take out future consumption. Simple when you think about it.
I couldn’t agree more.
All people today see is the use of a devastating weapon, a weapon that the Japanese were desperately trying to make themselves at the time as was Nazi Germany and had it not been for the loss of the deutritium in the attack by British forces in Norway so robbing the Nazis of the material that was to be used as a moderator in the German design bomb and had the shipment of fissile material from Germany reached Japan then the boot would have very much been on the other foot.
The US carries no guilt for the use of the A bomb on Japan. It undoubtedly saved hundreds of thousands of lives on both sides by so doing.
And why cull the juvenile seals? asks Raven.
Simple.
The primary object is not the pelt, it’s the mouth. It’s the mouth that devastates fish populations, fish that are needed for people.
By the time the seals reach maturity they’ve eaten tons of fish each. Take out the young and you take out future consumption. Simple when you think about it.
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golem wrote: I couldn’t agree more.
All people today see is the use of a devastating weapon, a weapon that the Japanese were desperately trying to make themselves at the time as was Nazi Germany and had it not been for the loss of the deutritium in the attack by British forces in Norway so robbing the Nazis of the material that was to be used as a moderator in the German design bomb and had the shipment of fissile material from Germany reached Japan then the boot would have very much been on the other foot.
The US carries no guilt for the use of the A bomb on Japan. It undoubtedly saved hundreds of thousands of lives on both sides by so doing.
And why cull the juvenile seals? asks Raven.
Simple.
The primary object is not the pelt, it’s the mouth. It’s the mouth that devastates fish populations, fish that are needed for people.
By the time the seals reach maturity they’ve eaten tons of fish each. Take out the young and you take out future consumption. Simple when you think about it.
You are saying it's the seals fault for the lack of cod? BOLLOCKS! Its those very same fisherman who have over fished the waters. It's greed mate. Pure and simple greed. They are culling to get an extra $10k to top off their 30-40k they already get per year. Not good enough argument in my book.
All people today see is the use of a devastating weapon, a weapon that the Japanese were desperately trying to make themselves at the time as was Nazi Germany and had it not been for the loss of the deutritium in the attack by British forces in Norway so robbing the Nazis of the material that was to be used as a moderator in the German design bomb and had the shipment of fissile material from Germany reached Japan then the boot would have very much been on the other foot.
The US carries no guilt for the use of the A bomb on Japan. It undoubtedly saved hundreds of thousands of lives on both sides by so doing.
And why cull the juvenile seals? asks Raven.
Simple.
The primary object is not the pelt, it’s the mouth. It’s the mouth that devastates fish populations, fish that are needed for people.
By the time the seals reach maturity they’ve eaten tons of fish each. Take out the young and you take out future consumption. Simple when you think about it.
You are saying it's the seals fault for the lack of cod? BOLLOCKS! Its those very same fisherman who have over fished the waters. It's greed mate. Pure and simple greed. They are culling to get an extra $10k to top off their 30-40k they already get per year. Not good enough argument in my book.
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
Blood On Canadas Ice.
Clipper wrote: Well I did my job with 3 combat tours in Nam from 68-71 doing tough duty with Riverine Patrol Forces operating/based in DaNang. Wounded 3 times. Continued my military career and saw action in the Gulf War as well. I make no excuses for my Confirmed Kill Record.
Japan targetted American military forces at Pearl Harbor and no amount of spin you put on it can alter that fact.
Now I never killed any babies or kids over in Nam. But I returned to a welcome home party in Frisco that was comprised of a whole bunch of nice long haired folks. They offered me nice presents of throwing animal blood,human feces,and heart-warming name-calling at me..... the likes of which have been burned into my memory and I will carry to my grave with me.
For your further reference my name here is Clipper and NOT Dude. If you can not see your way to addressing me as such I suggest you keep yer trap shut and not address me at all.
LOL! oh dear! alrighty then CLIPPER!
fair enough. But may I remind you, it was YOU who addressed ME. Just defending my side of the debate. But since I was not one of those in that welcoming commitee I would appreciate a little less hostility from you.
Japan targetted American military forces at Pearl Harbor and no amount of spin you put on it can alter that fact.
Now I never killed any babies or kids over in Nam. But I returned to a welcome home party in Frisco that was comprised of a whole bunch of nice long haired folks. They offered me nice presents of throwing animal blood,human feces,and heart-warming name-calling at me..... the likes of which have been burned into my memory and I will carry to my grave with me.
For your further reference my name here is Clipper and NOT Dude. If you can not see your way to addressing me as such I suggest you keep yer trap shut and not address me at all.
LOL! oh dear! alrighty then CLIPPER!
fair enough. But may I remind you, it was YOU who addressed ME. Just defending my side of the debate. But since I was not one of those in that welcoming commitee I would appreciate a little less hostility from you.
~Quoth the Raven, Nevermore!~
Blood On Canadas Ice.
Raven wrote: You are saying it's the seals fault for the lack of cod? BOLLOCKS! Its those very same fisherman who have over fished the waters. It's greed mate. Pure and simple greed. They are culling to get an extra $10k to top off their 30-40k they already get per year. Not good enough argument in my book.
I’ve not related the scarcity or otherwise of cod or any other fish populations to the seal numbers, all that I have identified is that there is a finite resource in terms of fish stocks and there needs to be a balance maintained between the needs of man and seals.
In any case living in the EU we should be VERY careful about apportioning blame for over fishing since the behaviour of the Spanish and Portuguese fishing fleet are responsible for mega damage to Grand Bank fish stocks and more besides.
Having decimated OUR fish stocks around the British Isles they’re ‘at it’ wherever they can get away with it.
And please be a little careful with your casual use of the word ‘mate’.
I’m not your mate
I’ve not related the scarcity or otherwise of cod or any other fish populations to the seal numbers, all that I have identified is that there is a finite resource in terms of fish stocks and there needs to be a balance maintained between the needs of man and seals.
In any case living in the EU we should be VERY careful about apportioning blame for over fishing since the behaviour of the Spanish and Portuguese fishing fleet are responsible for mega damage to Grand Bank fish stocks and more besides.
Having decimated OUR fish stocks around the British Isles they’re ‘at it’ wherever they can get away with it.
And please be a little careful with your casual use of the word ‘mate’.
I’m not your mate