I know I am in the Victor Meldrew age, but I can remember when Britain was great. I'm talking about the days when murderers got their come uppance.
I know capital punishment was still around when I was a young girl and I won't go down that road because I know it will open a can of worms. O.K then why doesn't life mean life now ? Only this week the killer of Phillip Lawrence the school headmaster, was let out after only serving a small part of his sentence. Where's the justice in that and what does his poor wife and family feel? All too often the criminals welfare comes before the victims' families.
On another tack, the couple who tortured their 4 month old daughter who later died from her injuries, escaped sentencing.
This country is the pits in my opinion and I'm sure there are some younger people out there who feel as us "oldens" do.
Why are we so soft on other crime as well ? School bullies, happy slappers and other scum of the earth in my opinion should get a taste of their own medicine and see how they like it.
Why are we so afraid in this country to dish out tough punishments?
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good question. i am engaged to an Englishman, and we talk about this a lot. i read BBC every day and cannot believe the the lax sentencing. especially considering England's history. i am very anxious to see how those who murdered the woman constable fare in court.
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Sorry, didn't realise before I posted a new thread on crime - that it is an American website. I thought it was a British based discussion site.
There will be a lot of folks out there who haven't a clue at what I've been preaching about ? Unless of course you are married to an English person like the lady who answered me.
I know in other countries that the death penalty is still in force and I wish it was still here in England. I know mistakes have been made, but with DNA proving without doubt that they have the right person, then why should they be allowed to live.
I always thought the America was much tougher on murders and the like, unless you of course know differently !
There will be a lot of folks out there who haven't a clue at what I've been preaching about ? Unless of course you are married to an English person like the lady who answered me.
I know in other countries that the death penalty is still in force and I wish it was still here in England. I know mistakes have been made, but with DNA proving without doubt that they have the right person, then why should they be allowed to live.
I always thought the America was much tougher on murders and the like, unless you of course know differently !
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Hi there...I'm a Brit (there's quite a few of us here) and absolutely agree with you. What has happened to philip Lawrences Killer has astounded me.
The article below from the BBC....
Widow's shock at killer's 'jaunt'
Frances Lawrence said she had been left traumatised by the news
The widow of a head teacher murdered outside his school gates said she was shocked to learn that his killer had been let out on day release.
Frances Lawrence said she was totally traumatised after learning about Learco Chindamo's "jaunt" from a newspaper.
Her husband Philip was stabbed to death as he tried to protect a pupil in Maida Vale, west London, in 1995.
The Prison Service confirmed Chindamo, now 25, was let out for the day, in preparation for his eventual release.
He was 16 when he killed Mr Lawrence outside the gates of St George's Roman Catholic School and was jailed for life in 1996.
The judge told him he would have to serve at least 12 years in prison.
Need for debate
But it emerged this week that Chindamo had been let out of prison on Saturday, to prepare for his release.
Mrs Lawrence told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "I am a great believer in rehabilitation. That's what I want for Chindamo.
"But it seems very soon. But also the shock that he had gone unescorted with his brother along a motorway up to London - the expectation is that you don't go on a jaunt."
Chindamo murdered Philip Lawrence outside his school gates
She said she might not have known of it at all, if the story had not broken in The Sun newspaper.
"That did seem extraordinary," she said.
Day releases are used to maintain and develop prisoners' contact with their families and friends, and prepare them for their eventual release.
The Prison Service said it was allowed following stringent risk assessment.
It comes as a report by Victim Support suggested families of murder and manslaughter victims needed more sensitive treatment by police, courts and support groups. Mrs Lawrence said there was a need for real debate on the issue. "You need to know that justice is working in the interests of the victim," she said.
The article below from the BBC....
Widow's shock at killer's 'jaunt'
Frances Lawrence said she had been left traumatised by the news
The widow of a head teacher murdered outside his school gates said she was shocked to learn that his killer had been let out on day release.
Frances Lawrence said she was totally traumatised after learning about Learco Chindamo's "jaunt" from a newspaper.
Her husband Philip was stabbed to death as he tried to protect a pupil in Maida Vale, west London, in 1995.
The Prison Service confirmed Chindamo, now 25, was let out for the day, in preparation for his eventual release.
He was 16 when he killed Mr Lawrence outside the gates of St George's Roman Catholic School and was jailed for life in 1996.
The judge told him he would have to serve at least 12 years in prison.
Need for debate
But it emerged this week that Chindamo had been let out of prison on Saturday, to prepare for his release.
Mrs Lawrence told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "I am a great believer in rehabilitation. That's what I want for Chindamo.
"But it seems very soon. But also the shock that he had gone unescorted with his brother along a motorway up to London - the expectation is that you don't go on a jaunt."
Chindamo murdered Philip Lawrence outside his school gates
She said she might not have known of it at all, if the story had not broken in The Sun newspaper.
"That did seem extraordinary," she said.
Day releases are used to maintain and develop prisoners' contact with their families and friends, and prepare them for their eventual release.
The Prison Service said it was allowed following stringent risk assessment.
It comes as a report by Victim Support suggested families of murder and manslaughter victims needed more sensitive treatment by police, courts and support groups. Mrs Lawrence said there was a need for real debate on the issue. "You need to know that justice is working in the interests of the victim," she said.
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Does anybody else get angry about crime and murder?
It's not just England that lenient with their sentencing. Here in NZ the typical time spent in jail for capital murder is 7 years. There actually tougher in some cases on white collar crime than crimes of violence.
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The only thing that comes to my mind as a reason is that we cannot afford to build enough prisons to house all these offenders. And, there are a lot more offenders these days.
Does anybody else get angry about crime and murder?
I'm willing to bet that one of the reasons that you are more upset about crime and murder these days is because you are seeing more of it.
Why the upswing?
Well, in the U.S. and my town in particular, gang activity is on the rise. I hear a similar thing is going on in Britain with an increase of "townies" and "gits".
The single greatest reason for gang membership is inclusion and belonging. When these kids don't get the love and attention that they need at home, they turn to the gangs for it.
So we can most likely blame this trend, if there is one, on the trend towards broken families, lack of parental supervision, lax parenting, and absentee parenting. Most of the kids in my school are disciplinary cases. 95% come from divorced families, and 98% are minority. 100% are low socio-economic status.
I think that the last statistic is one of the most telling. Poverty is a common thread. The lack on money is a major cause for the breakup of marriages. Three gangsters I know actually have an excellent mother. A real sweetheart. But since she has to work from 6 am to 9 pm every day, these kids have basically raised themselves since they were 7. They filled the parental vacuum with a gang.
So the violence we see is a result of all the factors...
caused by poverty.
That....and violent media.:rolleyes:
Why the upswing?
Well, in the U.S. and my town in particular, gang activity is on the rise. I hear a similar thing is going on in Britain with an increase of "townies" and "gits".
The single greatest reason for gang membership is inclusion and belonging. When these kids don't get the love and attention that they need at home, they turn to the gangs for it.
So we can most likely blame this trend, if there is one, on the trend towards broken families, lack of parental supervision, lax parenting, and absentee parenting. Most of the kids in my school are disciplinary cases. 95% come from divorced families, and 98% are minority. 100% are low socio-economic status.
I think that the last statistic is one of the most telling. Poverty is a common thread. The lack on money is a major cause for the breakup of marriages. Three gangsters I know actually have an excellent mother. A real sweetheart. But since she has to work from 6 am to 9 pm every day, these kids have basically raised themselves since they were 7. They filled the parental vacuum with a gang.
So the violence we see is a result of all the factors...
caused by poverty.
That....and violent media.:rolleyes:
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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Oh... I forgot...Am I mad about the violence?
I threw one little ganster out of my school for threatening to "put a cap" in another student and "do a drive-by on their house" and "shoot their whole family."
For this, I got a live bullet in my mailbox and two death threats mailed to my employer. My poor wife who has traumatic stress disorder and medical problems found it. It gave her nightmares thinking I was going to be killed. I had to build a secret passage in my house from the bedroom to the front door to calm everyone down. (Including myself.)
FREAKIN' A, I'M UPSET!!!:mad:
I threw one little ganster out of my school for threatening to "put a cap" in another student and "do a drive-by on their house" and "shoot their whole family."
For this, I got a live bullet in my mailbox and two death threats mailed to my employer. My poor wife who has traumatic stress disorder and medical problems found it. It gave her nightmares thinking I was going to be killed. I had to build a secret passage in my house from the bedroom to the front door to calm everyone down. (Including myself.)
FREAKIN' A, I'M UPSET!!!:mad:
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
Does anybody else get angry about crime and murder?
Glad you remembered the contribution of the media, Jives. Like bad publicity is good publicity. Plus, the media shows how easily they get away with it, and how lax the laws are (at least over here). It has become an honorary award to serve time, even if it's only a young offenders' prison.
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Yeah, no kidding. After "Grand Theft Auto : San Andreas" came out I had kids telling me that thye thought "prison was cool." Sheesh!
Thanks a lot, fifty-cent and Hollywood.:-5
Ask ladycop how she feels about "True Crime: Streets of New York" a game where you are rewarded for killing cops.
Thanks a lot, fifty-cent and Hollywood.:-5
Ask ladycop how she feels about "True Crime: Streets of New York" a game where you are rewarded for killing cops.
All the world's a stage and the men and women merely players...Shakespeare
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an organization which memorializes fallen officers has recently circulated a petition to all LEOs to protest those video games. i hope parents will boycott these obscenities.
Does anybody else get angry about crime and murder?
I don't think I need to. These games represent a particularly disrespectful attitude to society as a whole.
Another thing that has been reported over here is how so many children spend their evenings in their bedrooms. One child, one bedroom. There is the minimum of interaction between the family members. They eat in their bedrooms and spend time on their PCs playing these games over the Internet (instead of doing their homework). each bedroom also has a TV and hi-fi. This is the average working class home.
Another thing that has been reported over here is how so many children spend their evenings in their bedrooms. One child, one bedroom. There is the minimum of interaction between the family members. They eat in their bedrooms and spend time on their PCs playing these games over the Internet (instead of doing their homework). each bedroom also has a TV and hi-fi. This is the average working class home.
Does anybody else get angry about crime and murder?
Jives wrote:
The single greatest reason for gang membership is inclusion and belonging. When these kids don't get the love and attention that they need at home, they turn to the gangs for it.
So we can most likely blame this trend, if there is one, on the trend towards broken families, lack of parental supervision, lax parenting, and absentee parenting. Most of the kids in my school are disciplinary cases. 95% come from divorced families, and 98% are minority. 100% are low socio-economic status.
I think that the last statistic is one of the most telling. Poverty is a common thread. So the violence we see is a result of all the factors... caused by poverty.
That....and violent media.:rolleyes:
I agree with you Jives. The chinese kid who murdered Phillip Lawrence was part of a chinese Triad gang.
St. Georges is a very rough school and the kids who go there are from very poor family backgrounds, including single parent families and minority groups. As I remember it, there were two gangs within the school who had started attacking each other. Then they started carrying knives. I think on the day in question, the chinese Triad gang had decided that a certain member of the opposing gang had to die, and they waited for him after school. They were joined by other older Triad members. Phillip Lawrence was in the playground, watching the children leave, as violence tends to flare up at that time of day. He saw the gang members and knew what was happening and went to break up the fight. This Triad kid had been psyched up by his fellow gang members to kill. He was going to stab the other kid, but with Phillip Lawrence in the way he stabbed him instead!
I can see that the courts may believe that he has served his time. They want to rehabilitate youngsters and also give them part of their lives back, so they don't suffer for ever because of one moment of madness. However, if he's going back to his brothers then he will probably rejoin his gang! Surely they should at least have banned him from London and put him on probation for another 10 years?
This is very similar to the Jamie Bulger murder. The murderers were about 10 years old, sent to rehab and released at 18 to 'get on with their lives'. I think all these kids should have served longer and been released when they are more mature. Perhaps in their 30s. They are all still young, probably still unable to fully control their tempers and still led by likeminded peers. Considering the violence in all of their lives, I would be amazed if any of them went on to lead pure and blameless lives.
I just hope that they are all being monitored and receiving counselling and will continue to do so for many years to come!
I also agree with minnie, I think we should bring back the death penalty!
Keeping a person in prison costs the taxpayer £1,000 per week! I like the American system of putting people on Death Row for 10 years. That allows time for appeals and ensuring all possible avenues are explored, so that by the time the sentence is due to be carried out, the issues are no longer emotive and you can be pretty sure that the person is guilty as charged!
It might also be a good deterrent as people seem to have no care for the crimes they commit today. I wouldn't want it to be a common thing, but I certainly think the Moors murderers and the Yorkshire Ripper should be put on Death Row! (And I know Myra Hindley is 'dead', but I think her death was convenient timing and I wouldn't be surprised if that was all hushed up and she was actually released and given a new identity!)
The single greatest reason for gang membership is inclusion and belonging. When these kids don't get the love and attention that they need at home, they turn to the gangs for it.
So we can most likely blame this trend, if there is one, on the trend towards broken families, lack of parental supervision, lax parenting, and absentee parenting. Most of the kids in my school are disciplinary cases. 95% come from divorced families, and 98% are minority. 100% are low socio-economic status.
I think that the last statistic is one of the most telling. Poverty is a common thread. So the violence we see is a result of all the factors... caused by poverty.
That....and violent media.:rolleyes:
I agree with you Jives. The chinese kid who murdered Phillip Lawrence was part of a chinese Triad gang.
St. Georges is a very rough school and the kids who go there are from very poor family backgrounds, including single parent families and minority groups. As I remember it, there were two gangs within the school who had started attacking each other. Then they started carrying knives. I think on the day in question, the chinese Triad gang had decided that a certain member of the opposing gang had to die, and they waited for him after school. They were joined by other older Triad members. Phillip Lawrence was in the playground, watching the children leave, as violence tends to flare up at that time of day. He saw the gang members and knew what was happening and went to break up the fight. This Triad kid had been psyched up by his fellow gang members to kill. He was going to stab the other kid, but with Phillip Lawrence in the way he stabbed him instead!
I can see that the courts may believe that he has served his time. They want to rehabilitate youngsters and also give them part of their lives back, so they don't suffer for ever because of one moment of madness. However, if he's going back to his brothers then he will probably rejoin his gang! Surely they should at least have banned him from London and put him on probation for another 10 years?
This is very similar to the Jamie Bulger murder. The murderers were about 10 years old, sent to rehab and released at 18 to 'get on with their lives'. I think all these kids should have served longer and been released when they are more mature. Perhaps in their 30s. They are all still young, probably still unable to fully control their tempers and still led by likeminded peers. Considering the violence in all of their lives, I would be amazed if any of them went on to lead pure and blameless lives.
I just hope that they are all being monitored and receiving counselling and will continue to do so for many years to come!
I also agree with minnie, I think we should bring back the death penalty!
Keeping a person in prison costs the taxpayer £1,000 per week! I like the American system of putting people on Death Row for 10 years. That allows time for appeals and ensuring all possible avenues are explored, so that by the time the sentence is due to be carried out, the issues are no longer emotive and you can be pretty sure that the person is guilty as charged!
It might also be a good deterrent as people seem to have no care for the crimes they commit today. I wouldn't want it to be a common thing, but I certainly think the Moors murderers and the Yorkshire Ripper should be put on Death Row! (And I know Myra Hindley is 'dead', but I think her death was convenient timing and I wouldn't be surprised if that was all hushed up and she was actually released and given a new identity!)
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Violent games are horrible. My husband rented San Andreas and I refused to see any more of it after watching him play for a little bit. I'm also fed up with some of the violent and just plain gross cartoons they have for children now. I agree with Jives about the poverty and broken homes being a cause of gangs thriving.
I wish sometimes the government would take a page out of Singapore's punishment system.
I wish sometimes the government would take a page out of Singapore's punishment system.
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OpenMind wrote:
Another thing that has been reported over here is how so many children spend their evenings in their bedrooms. One child, one bedroom. There is the minimum of interaction between the family members. They eat in their bedrooms and spend time on their PCs playing these games over the Internet (instead of doing their homework). each bedroom also has a TV and hi-fi. This is the average working class home.
The problem today is the extremely high cost of living. Both parents have to work just to pay the bills. House prices are increasing at such a vast rate that many are priced out of the market. So people are forced to rent and rented homes are generally shoddy, as owners prefer to collect rents not spend money on improvements. People on low-incomes can earn, say £800-£1,000 per month, and pay that exact amount out again on rent or mortgage! So the second partner has to pay the bills - food, water, electric, gas, council tax, house & contents insurance, car tax, car insurance, MOT, TV licence, the list is endless. Then they need money for clothes, shoes, birthday and christmas presents, fares to work and petrol. Unless you're extremely rich, BOTH parents wil have to work!
So they come home and find they need to cook, clean, help with homework, and they're just exhausted. and want to crash out for a while, watch a little tv and go to bed. Kids are left to their own devices. Also, many kids today are not allowed to play out on their bikes, as we did when we were kids. You cannot guarantee their safety any more. So they stay in their rooms, listen to their music, text and email their friends. Thats the way society is now. It's a shame, but there are pros and cons for this way of life, as there were for the society we grew up in.
Another thing that has been reported over here is how so many children spend their evenings in their bedrooms. One child, one bedroom. There is the minimum of interaction between the family members. They eat in their bedrooms and spend time on their PCs playing these games over the Internet (instead of doing their homework). each bedroom also has a TV and hi-fi. This is the average working class home.
The problem today is the extremely high cost of living. Both parents have to work just to pay the bills. House prices are increasing at such a vast rate that many are priced out of the market. So people are forced to rent and rented homes are generally shoddy, as owners prefer to collect rents not spend money on improvements. People on low-incomes can earn, say £800-£1,000 per month, and pay that exact amount out again on rent or mortgage! So the second partner has to pay the bills - food, water, electric, gas, council tax, house & contents insurance, car tax, car insurance, MOT, TV licence, the list is endless. Then they need money for clothes, shoes, birthday and christmas presents, fares to work and petrol. Unless you're extremely rich, BOTH parents wil have to work!
So they come home and find they need to cook, clean, help with homework, and they're just exhausted. and want to crash out for a while, watch a little tv and go to bed. Kids are left to their own devices. Also, many kids today are not allowed to play out on their bikes, as we did when we were kids. You cannot guarantee their safety any more. So they stay in their rooms, listen to their music, text and email their friends. Thats the way society is now. It's a shame, but there are pros and cons for this way of life, as there were for the society we grew up in.
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Jives wrote: I'm willing to bet that one of the reasons that you are more upset about crime and murder these days is because you are seeing more of it.The total for all homicides (murder, manslaughter and infanticide) in England and Wales was fairly static between 2003/4 and 2004/5, at 853 and 859 respectively. The detection rate increased from 89% to 98%. (from: http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs05/hosb1105.pdf Home Office Statistical Bureau, Crime in England and Wales, Table 7.01 Recorded crime: detection rates by individual offence, 2003/04 and 2004/05).
Longer-term trends in the British Crime Survey for violence show substantial declines. Violent crime reported to the BCS has fallen by 43 per cent from the peak in 1995 to the current level and by 34 per cent since 1997 (Figure 5.1, Table 2.01).
Longer-term trends in the British Crime Survey for violence show substantial declines. Violent crime reported to the BCS has fallen by 43 per cent from the peak in 1995 to the current level and by 34 per cent since 1997 (Figure 5.1, Table 2.01).
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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It's a depressing picture world wide isn't it ? In the 'old days', a family lived on whatever the father could provide. The better his job, the better the families standard of living. From the 60s onwards, and maybe as a reaction to hardships of WW2, the western world and more latterly the eastern world has become more materialistic, hence the 'need' for both parents to work. It is a sad state of affairs for the children who only benefit from their parents time for a few hours per day.
While I firmly believe in Human rights, I believe that we have gone too far and are far too soft in our treatment of criminals.
Lastly...all youngsters, boys and girls should do at least 1 or 2 years National Service......even if the girls have babies / children.
Glad I got 'some' of it off my chest !!!!
While I firmly believe in Human rights, I believe that we have gone too far and are far too soft in our treatment of criminals.
Lastly...all youngsters, boys and girls should do at least 1 or 2 years National Service......even if the girls have babies / children.
Glad I got 'some' of it off my chest !!!!
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Thanks to all who answered my posting. Interesting to hear that it's not only Britain that has problems in dealing with criminals. And Bez, I see you live in Sussex like I do. I live in Stone Cross, near Eastbourne.
Another thing that seems to have taken off in this country is so called "happy slapping". This phrase make me cross as well. Nothing happy about it, I can assure you. On our news yesterday some yobs beat up a man minding his own business and another one knocked a lady cyclist off her bike and then filmed these horrible scenes on their mobiles and sent the footage to their friends. All the time this scum of society were laughing their heads off at their victims' distress. I'm surprised there is not more vigilantes around that can give these bullies a taste of their own medicine. Schools don't take bullying seriously either. What makes me sad is that too many bullied children/teenagers take their own life because they can't take it any more. Again in my opinion bullies should be dealt with with a little rough treatment. So, my blood pressure rises once more.
I have just become a grandmother twice last year and have 2 beautiful grandchildren, a granddaughter - Rebecca 6 months old and Joel Benjamin - 3 months old. Woe betide anyone giving these two angels grief when they get older - you can just the see the headlines - grandmother attacks school bullies.
Sorry but I'm afraid the soft treatment of lowlife scum does not work.
Wish I could do something constructive to help the victims of such atrocities. I have emailed various help groups, but have had no reply as yet. This might help me in some way to overcome the anger and sadness I feel. I wonder if anybody else in Britain could join up with me and perhaps march in London outside Downing Street. Mind you, I would probably be arrested as it seems you can't even demonstrate peacefully in your own country.
Anyway, sorry to have gone on again. I may come across as very hard, but believe me, underneath that tough exterior, there is a soft underneath. Every time I see a bereaved family who lost their loved ones through murder, I weep with them.
Another thing that seems to have taken off in this country is so called "happy slapping". This phrase make me cross as well. Nothing happy about it, I can assure you. On our news yesterday some yobs beat up a man minding his own business and another one knocked a lady cyclist off her bike and then filmed these horrible scenes on their mobiles and sent the footage to their friends. All the time this scum of society were laughing their heads off at their victims' distress. I'm surprised there is not more vigilantes around that can give these bullies a taste of their own medicine. Schools don't take bullying seriously either. What makes me sad is that too many bullied children/teenagers take their own life because they can't take it any more. Again in my opinion bullies should be dealt with with a little rough treatment. So, my blood pressure rises once more.
I have just become a grandmother twice last year and have 2 beautiful grandchildren, a granddaughter - Rebecca 6 months old and Joel Benjamin - 3 months old. Woe betide anyone giving these two angels grief when they get older - you can just the see the headlines - grandmother attacks school bullies.
Sorry but I'm afraid the soft treatment of lowlife scum does not work.
Wish I could do something constructive to help the victims of such atrocities. I have emailed various help groups, but have had no reply as yet. This might help me in some way to overcome the anger and sadness I feel. I wonder if anybody else in Britain could join up with me and perhaps march in London outside Downing Street. Mind you, I would probably be arrested as it seems you can't even demonstrate peacefully in your own country.
Anyway, sorry to have gone on again. I may come across as very hard, but believe me, underneath that tough exterior, there is a soft underneath. Every time I see a bereaved family who lost their loved ones through murder, I weep with them.
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Im with you MM i hate what the UK has become .Why are kids roaming the streets ? Whats wrong with a blanket curfew no child under the age of 18 should be out after 9pm. If it were my choice i would make all teenage boys do national service, that would make men of them. Also asylem seekers if they break the law they should be deported ,and life in prison should mean life not four years with good behaviour .This country is a laughing stock. would any of you fight for this country i wouldnt ... ...why fight for a country thats being given away to foreigners.
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lady cop wrote: an organization which memorializes fallen officers has recently circulated a petition to all LEOs to protest those video games. i hope parents will boycott these obscenities.
Hi LC, I dont have kids (as we all know) but my husband is a PLayststion Junkie. I bought a game he wanted a couple of years ago called Call of Duty. Its a war game (World War II). Its so bloody and awful, I told him to get rif of it!! Not that IM a crazy aggressive, bossy type, but that is my limit! And I have forbid Grand Theft Auto and other games where you can murder someone from coming across the threshhold of my house.
Hi LC, I dont have kids (as we all know) but my husband is a PLayststion Junkie. I bought a game he wanted a couple of years ago called Call of Duty. Its a war game (World War II). Its so bloody and awful, I told him to get rif of it!! Not that IM a crazy aggressive, bossy type, but that is my limit! And I have forbid Grand Theft Auto and other games where you can murder someone from coming across the threshhold of my house.
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moaning minnie wrote: Schools don't take bullying seriously either. What makes me sad is that too many bullied children/teenagers take their own life because they can't take it any more. Again in my opinion bullies should be dealt with with a little rough treatment. So, my blood pressure rises once more.
MM: I graduated from HS 11 years ago. My junior year, a sophomore shot himself in the classroom. His last words were "Im tired of it". He was bullied relentlessly for his size. It was awful. I wasnt in the classroom, I had lunch that period, but I will never make fun of another person to this day. And I will make sure my children dont either. It was very traumatizing to the entire school and for four years after no one bullied, too bad it took that to wake everyone up and too bad the not bullying didnt last!
Google: Bryan Head commits suicide in Woodstock, Georgia at Etowah High school
MM: I graduated from HS 11 years ago. My junior year, a sophomore shot himself in the classroom. His last words were "Im tired of it". He was bullied relentlessly for his size. It was awful. I wasnt in the classroom, I had lunch that period, but I will never make fun of another person to this day. And I will make sure my children dont either. It was very traumatizing to the entire school and for four years after no one bullied, too bad it took that to wake everyone up and too bad the not bullying didnt last!
Google: Bryan Head commits suicide in Woodstock, Georgia at Etowah High school
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Well I have to agree with some points made here. I do think that the law sentancing here is a joke. How serious criminals who have commited a crime, are able to knock months and even years of their sentence, for any reason is beyond me.
I also agree that the laws should be looked at on issues like bullying, especially in schools. School bullying is a real serious issue, and as you say MM, schools really aren't doing enough as they could to help stop this. But as far as the Government is concerned, school bullying really isn't at the top of the list on priorties that they would look at. I do feel at times that they spend too much time looking at the same kind of issues, and not looking at a lot of the ones that go un-noticed, despite being a serious issue in our society.
About the law curfew that u suggest for children under 18 Pants, now that in my opinion is somewhat stupid. I agree that there are too many occuring cases of youth gangs attacking others at night, or vandalising bus shelters or even robbing corner stores. But a curfew for all under 18, how on Earth would decent, honest kids re-act to that, especially during the summer months when they are off school and jsut want to play at the park with some friends.
We have lots of young kids living near us, and they are a delight. They play pretty late outside, and at times can go on pretty late. All they are simply doing is trying to enjoy as much free time as they can, which is very little when u spend most of the day at school or college. Young kids would revolt all over the place, if something like this were even considered to be introduced I'm sure.
I also agree that the laws should be looked at on issues like bullying, especially in schools. School bullying is a real serious issue, and as you say MM, schools really aren't doing enough as they could to help stop this. But as far as the Government is concerned, school bullying really isn't at the top of the list on priorties that they would look at. I do feel at times that they spend too much time looking at the same kind of issues, and not looking at a lot of the ones that go un-noticed, despite being a serious issue in our society.
About the law curfew that u suggest for children under 18 Pants, now that in my opinion is somewhat stupid. I agree that there are too many occuring cases of youth gangs attacking others at night, or vandalising bus shelters or even robbing corner stores. But a curfew for all under 18, how on Earth would decent, honest kids re-act to that, especially during the summer months when they are off school and jsut want to play at the park with some friends.
We have lots of young kids living near us, and they are a delight. They play pretty late outside, and at times can go on pretty late. All they are simply doing is trying to enjoy as much free time as they can, which is very little when u spend most of the day at school or college. Young kids would revolt all over the place, if something like this were even considered to be introduced I'm sure.
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chrisb84uk wrote: Well I have to agree with some points made here. I do think that the law sentancing here is a joke. How serious criminals who have commited a crime, are able to knock months and even years of their sentence, for any reason is beyond me.
I also agree that the laws should be looked at on issues like bullying, especially in schools. School bullying is a real serious issue, and as you say MM, schools really aren't doing enough as they could to help stop this. But as far as the Government is concerned, school bullying really isn't at the top of the list on priorties that they would look at. I do feel at times that they spend too much time looking at the same kind of issues, and not looking at a lot of the ones that go un-noticed, despite being a serious issue in our society.
About the law curfew that u suggest for children under 18 Pants, now that in my opinion is somewhat stupid. I agree that there are too many occuring cases of youth gangs attacking others at night, or vandalising bus shelters or even robbing corner stores. But a curfew for all under 18, how on Earth would decent, honest kids re-act to that, especially during the summer months when they are off school and jsut want to play at the park with some friends.
We have lots of young kids living near us, and they are a delight. They play pretty late outside, and at times can go on pretty late. All they are simply doing is trying to enjoy as much free time as they can, which is very little when u spend most of the day at school or college. Young kids would revolt all over the place, if something like this were even considered to be introduced I'm sure.
Actually the town next to me has a curfew. 18 and under have to be home by midnight. The only way they can be out later is if they are with parents or returning home from a job. It's actually worked in keeping down the vandelism.
I also agree that the laws should be looked at on issues like bullying, especially in schools. School bullying is a real serious issue, and as you say MM, schools really aren't doing enough as they could to help stop this. But as far as the Government is concerned, school bullying really isn't at the top of the list on priorties that they would look at. I do feel at times that they spend too much time looking at the same kind of issues, and not looking at a lot of the ones that go un-noticed, despite being a serious issue in our society.
About the law curfew that u suggest for children under 18 Pants, now that in my opinion is somewhat stupid. I agree that there are too many occuring cases of youth gangs attacking others at night, or vandalising bus shelters or even robbing corner stores. But a curfew for all under 18, how on Earth would decent, honest kids re-act to that, especially during the summer months when they are off school and jsut want to play at the park with some friends.
We have lots of young kids living near us, and they are a delight. They play pretty late outside, and at times can go on pretty late. All they are simply doing is trying to enjoy as much free time as they can, which is very little when u spend most of the day at school or college. Young kids would revolt all over the place, if something like this were even considered to be introduced I'm sure.
Actually the town next to me has a curfew. 18 and under have to be home by midnight. The only way they can be out later is if they are with parents or returning home from a job. It's actually worked in keeping down the vandelism.
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Sheryl wrote: Actually the town next to me has a curfew. 18 and under have to be home by midnight. The only way they can be out later is if they are with parents or returning home from a job. It's actually worked in keeping down the vandelism.
That seems more sensible to me. Having a curfew of 9pm I just think is too early if one had to be introduced. I wonder though how a curfew would be maintained if introduced, surely it would be a lot of hassle??
That seems more sensible to me. Having a curfew of 9pm I just think is too early if one had to be introduced. I wonder though how a curfew would be maintained if introduced, surely it would be a lot of hassle??
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It's not that hard. The cool thing to do is cruise main and hang out on public parkinglots. So the cops just have to pull up and check ids. :wah:
Ahh the good ol days of cruising main and jamming to the radio.
Ahh the good ol days of cruising main and jamming to the radio.
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Thanks Pants on fire. I agree with all you say as well.
With regard to asylum seekers, how right you are. What makes me angry (yet again) is why the likes of him with the hook hand and his cronies have gone all this time inciting hatred against the British. He has only just been taken to task over this. Sometimes I wonder if I am still living in my own country, because we can't say what we like, otherwise we are accused of being racist. A few weeks ago if you remember, although I don't always agree with them entirely, the BNP were arrested over what they had said (albeit being filmed privately). One law for immigrants, another for us Brits.
We have bent over backwards to all immigrants and look how some of them have paid us back. They sponge off the government, get houses laid on for them and God know what else. Yet pensioners are dealt a rough deal and our hospitals are at breaking point because of lack of funding. Get rid of all time wasters, whatever the colour of their skin. If that sounds racist, then tough !!
If they don't like it, why don't they all .... off. The trouble is Britain is a laughing stock and too soft an option.
Before I have the Race Relations Board coming down hard on me, I must say in all honesty that in my working life (and that is a long time), some of the nicest people I have worked with are West Indians and Pakistanis. I am not saying this just to let myself off the hook. Just recently when out pushing my granddaughter in her pushchair - not one English person opened any doors for me after seeing me struggling. Only one person helped me and that was an Indian.
With regard to asylum seekers, how right you are. What makes me angry (yet again) is why the likes of him with the hook hand and his cronies have gone all this time inciting hatred against the British. He has only just been taken to task over this. Sometimes I wonder if I am still living in my own country, because we can't say what we like, otherwise we are accused of being racist. A few weeks ago if you remember, although I don't always agree with them entirely, the BNP were arrested over what they had said (albeit being filmed privately). One law for immigrants, another for us Brits.
We have bent over backwards to all immigrants and look how some of them have paid us back. They sponge off the government, get houses laid on for them and God know what else. Yet pensioners are dealt a rough deal and our hospitals are at breaking point because of lack of funding. Get rid of all time wasters, whatever the colour of their skin. If that sounds racist, then tough !!
If they don't like it, why don't they all .... off. The trouble is Britain is a laughing stock and too soft an option.
Before I have the Race Relations Board coming down hard on me, I must say in all honesty that in my working life (and that is a long time), some of the nicest people I have worked with are West Indians and Pakistanis. I am not saying this just to let myself off the hook. Just recently when out pushing my granddaughter in her pushchair - not one English person opened any doors for me after seeing me struggling. Only one person helped me and that was an Indian.
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Sorry just done another posting and forgot to mention what is the Big Day in London in May ? If it is to demonstrate about what we have all been saying - then count me in !! Mind you I would probably be arrested and put in a straight jacket.
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About the law curfew that u suggest for children under 18 Pants,
Chris its only my view.... i have a 16 yearold who is not allowed to roam the streets she can got to a friends house but still has to be home by 8pm.. harsh i know an we take her to and from if its a party or something else .The sad thing is kids today are feral they carry knifes and guns ,and they dont care who they hurt they have no respect .How many times will a juvernile be arrested before they end up in a detention center, why should it take 30/40 crimes before that little **** is taken off the streets only to be back 6 months later meaner than ever .why should the good kids suffer because of the bad ones .we have kids having kids to get a council flat . .... For me bring back the shame factor encourge kids to inform on others and reward them make it shameful for the little slapper down the road to have three kids by the time shes 18 .its only my little world and im sure there wont be many that agree .
About the law curfew that u suggest for children under 18 Pants,
Chris its only my view.... i have a 16 yearold who is not allowed to roam the streets she can got to a friends house but still has to be home by 8pm.. harsh i know an we take her to and from if its a party or something else .The sad thing is kids today are feral they carry knifes and guns ,and they dont care who they hurt they have no respect .How many times will a juvernile be arrested before they end up in a detention center, why should it take 30/40 crimes before that little **** is taken off the streets only to be back 6 months later meaner than ever .why should the good kids suffer because of the bad ones .we have kids having kids to get a council flat . .... For me bring back the shame factor encourge kids to inform on others and reward them make it shameful for the little slapper down the road to have three kids by the time shes 18 .its only my little world and im sure there wont be many that agree .
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moaning minnie wrote: Sorry just done another posting and forgot to mention what is the Big Day in London in May ? If it is to demonstrate about what we have all been saying - then count me in !! Mind you I would probably be arrested and put in a straight jacket.
Hahaha no the big day isn't about a demonstration. A lot of FG members around the London area are meeting up for the first time in London on that day, to celebrate the arrival of our good friend Minks who is arriving from Canada.
Hahaha no the big day isn't about a demonstration. A lot of FG members around the London area are meeting up for the first time in London on that day, to celebrate the arrival of our good friend Minks who is arriving from Canada.
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pantsonfire321@aol.com wrote: .
About the law curfew that u suggest for children under 18 Pants,
Chris its only my view.... i have a 16 yearold who is not allowed to roam the streets she can got to a friends house but still has to be home by 8pm.. harsh i know an we take her to and from if its a party or something else .The sad thing is kids today are feral they carry knifes and guns ,and they dont care who they hurt they have no respect .How many times will a juvernile be arrested before they end up in a detention center, why should it take 30/40 crimes before that little **** is taken off the streets only to be back 6 months later meaner than ever .why should the good kids suffer because of the bad ones .we have kids having kids to get a council flat . .... For me bring back the shame factor encourge kids to inform on others and reward them make it shameful for the little slapper down the road to have three kids by the time shes 18 .its only my little world and im sure there wont be many that agree .
I have no disagreement with what you say Pants. I agree that sadly so many kids are carrying knifes and guns, and as you mention have no care for anyone or anything. I agree that something should seriously be done about this, and if I had children I'm sure I would be seriously worried about my child wondering around the streets at night. But as you mention why should the majority of good kids out suffer because of the minority of rebel kids out there. I can't say I'm against some kind of curfew, but to prevent all 18 year olds and under from being out after 9pm, that in my opinion is going a little far. I think that parents have a huge responsibility of course for their child's welfare, and should think before just letting them go down to the pub, to come back home at around 2am completely drunk.
I agree though that children should be made more aware at school of having kids at such an early age. If they want to do that then fine, but they should be aware of the consequences and made to truly understand what it is they are doing. They should be bringing kids into our world, becuase they want to love them and care for them, and not just because they decided to have a fling at 16. I know that schools are introducing new teachings about this, but I'm afraid that in the end it is up to parents and the children themselves to stop, and at this point in time I really can't see that happening.
About the law curfew that u suggest for children under 18 Pants,
Chris its only my view.... i have a 16 yearold who is not allowed to roam the streets she can got to a friends house but still has to be home by 8pm.. harsh i know an we take her to and from if its a party or something else .The sad thing is kids today are feral they carry knifes and guns ,and they dont care who they hurt they have no respect .How many times will a juvernile be arrested before they end up in a detention center, why should it take 30/40 crimes before that little **** is taken off the streets only to be back 6 months later meaner than ever .why should the good kids suffer because of the bad ones .we have kids having kids to get a council flat . .... For me bring back the shame factor encourge kids to inform on others and reward them make it shameful for the little slapper down the road to have three kids by the time shes 18 .its only my little world and im sure there wont be many that agree .
I have no disagreement with what you say Pants. I agree that sadly so many kids are carrying knifes and guns, and as you mention have no care for anyone or anything. I agree that something should seriously be done about this, and if I had children I'm sure I would be seriously worried about my child wondering around the streets at night. But as you mention why should the majority of good kids out suffer because of the minority of rebel kids out there. I can't say I'm against some kind of curfew, but to prevent all 18 year olds and under from being out after 9pm, that in my opinion is going a little far. I think that parents have a huge responsibility of course for their child's welfare, and should think before just letting them go down to the pub, to come back home at around 2am completely drunk.
I agree though that children should be made more aware at school of having kids at such an early age. If they want to do that then fine, but they should be aware of the consequences and made to truly understand what it is they are doing. They should be bringing kids into our world, becuase they want to love them and care for them, and not just because they decided to have a fling at 16. I know that schools are introducing new teachings about this, but I'm afraid that in the end it is up to parents and the children themselves to stop, and at this point in time I really can't see that happening.