Double-Standard On Remarks?

[ChiptBeef]

On Martin Luther King Day, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin (black, liberal, male) said that "God is mad at America" and "promised that New Orleans will be a "chocolate" city again." Source article by AP writer Brett Martel.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/16/D8F65JUG5.html

On Martin Luther King Day, Senator Hillary Clinton (white, liberal, female) said "When you look at the way the House of Representatives has been run, it has been run like a plantation and you know what I'm talking about..." Source article by Marcia Kramer.

http://wcbstv.com/local/local_story_016200030.html

Recently, Pat Robertson (white, conservative, male) said that Ariel Sharon's medical plight was God's wrath for Sharon's "dividing God's land." Robertson apologized for the remarks after intense media pressure and outrage from certain sectors nation-wide.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/05/robertson.sharon/

http://www.patrobertson.com/Pressreleas ... aronPR.asp

Do you think there will be the same outrage from the same sectors denouncing the politically and racially charged remarks by Mayor Nagin and Senator Clinton? Do you think they will apologize for those same remarks?



Note: Before someone plays the "nazis" or "racist" cards, I listed the race, political stance and gender of each public figure to show a potential disparity.

[StupidCowboyTricks]

ChiptBeef wrote: On Martin Luther King Day, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin (black, liberal, male) said that "God is mad at America" and "promised that New Orleans will be a "chocolate" city again." Source article by AP writer Brett Martel.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/01/16/D8F65JUG5.html

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On Martin Luther King Day, Senator Hillary Clinton (white, liberal, female) said "When you look at the way the House of Representatives has been run, it has been run like a plantation and you know what I'm talking about..." Source article by Marcia Kramer.

http://wcbstv.com/local/local_story_016200030.html



Recently, Pat Robertson (white, conservative, male) said that Ariel Sharon's medical plight was God's wrath for Sharon's "dividing God's land." Robertson apologized for the remarks after intense media pressure and outrage from certain sectors nation-wide.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/05/robertson.sharon/

http://www.patrobertson.com/Pressreleas ... aronPR.asp



Do you think there will be the same outrage from the same sectors denouncing the politically and racially charged remarks by Mayor Nagin and Senator Clinton? Do you think they will apologize for those same remarks?





Note: Before someone plays the "nazis" or "racist" cards, I listed the race, political stance and gender of each public figure to show a potential disparity.




(CBS) NEW YORK The Martin Luther King Day celebration



“We have a culture of corruption, we have cronyism we have incompetence I predict to you that this administration will go down on history as one of the worst that has ever governed out country.”

Clinton actually got an easy question. “I need you to tell us what distinguishes Democrats from Republicans right now,” she was asked.

Clinton's answer was provocative.

Said Clinton, “When you look at the way the House of Representatives has been run, it has been run like a plantation and you know what I'm talking about..."

Some House Republicans took immediate offense at Senator Clinton's choice of words.

Said Republican Congressman Peter King, of Long Island, "It's always wrong to play the race card for political gain by using a loaded word like plantation. But it is particularly wrong to do so on Martin Luther King Day."



I have no problem with what she said....it's true, as for your labels "Republican and Liberal", wasn't it two Democrats and a Cleric you are asking about?

[ChiptBeef]

StupidCowboyTricks wrote: as for your labels "Republican and Liberal", wasn't it two Democrats and a Cleric you are asking about?
I didn't use "Republican." I do not know the exact political party affiliation of the three public figures. I do not know Mr. Robertson's exact religious title, if any. The offensive racially and politically motivated remarks by Mayor Nagin and Senator Clinton are still unjustifiable, in my opinion. I am thankful that Mr. Robertson had the integrity to apologize.

[StupidCowboyTricks]

[quote=ChiptBeef]I didn't use "Republican." I do not know the exact political party affiliation of the three public figures.



That is my point .......your label



the article states what they are. You are big on the "liberal word"



LMAO at your Robertson statement!



Hillary has nothing to apologize for in her statement.

[DesignerGal]

Both remarks were racially charged, and I think an apology is in order in both instances.

SO New Orleans got hit with a hurricane because it was too "vanilla"?

[DesignerGal]

''It's time for us to rebuild New Orleans -- the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans... This city will be a majority African American city. It's the way God wants it to be.''

Yep. That’s what Ray Nagin said. He is the Mayor of New Orleans.

Perhaps, if I said, “Its time for us to rebuild Gulf Port, Mississippi – the one that should be a vanilla Gulf Port… This city will be a majority White people’s city. It’s the way God wants it to be.”

You would allege that I’m a racist and a member of the Klan and I would be ostracized, ridiculed and taunted by the public. I wouldn’t get away with saying such things out loud in public. Doesn’t seem right does it?

I call Ray Nagin what he is: A racist. And he should be punished for what he said. Punished by whom? Well, let’s starts with the ACLU, because he hurt my feelings. Second, we’ll call the FCC and tell them that was racism aired on live TV and it was offensive. He should be fined.

[ChiptBeef]

DesignerGal wrote: ''It's time for us to rebuild New Orleans -- the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans... This city will be a majority African American city. It's the way God wants it to be.''

Yep. That’s what Ray Nagin said. He is the Mayor of New Orleans.

Perhaps, if I said, “Its time for us to rebuild Gulf Port, Mississippi – the one that should be a vanilla Gulf Port… This city will be a majority White people’s city. It’s the way God wants it to be.”

You would allege that I’m a racist and a member of the Klan and I would be ostracized, ridiculed and taunted by the public. I wouldn’t get away with saying such things out loud in public. Doesn’t seem right does it?

I call Ray Nagin what he is: A racist. And he should be punished for what he said. Punished by whom? Well, let’s starts with the ACLU, because he hurt my feelings. Second, we’ll call the FCC and tell them that was racism aired on live TV and it was offensive. He should be fined.


Excellent post. Another thought. What do you think would happen if Pat Robertson had made the exact same statements as Mayor Nagin? Or if President Bush had made the same statement as Senator Clinton, only referring to the Democrats? I think they would be building the gallows, as we speak.

Sometimes people tag you as a racist or linked to a neo-nazi group even when you don't say a word or take any action to justify the allegations. I guess it just depends on who you are, your political stance, your gender, your assumed race or other non-merit factors.

[ChiptBeef]

I heard Mayor Ray Nagin on the radio this evening apologizing for his racist statements. I wonder how much longer we will have to wait before Hillary does the right thing. Or is that an oxymoron?

[ChiptBeef]

StupidCowboyTricks wrote: Hillary has nothing to apologize for in her statement.


Others feel that you are wrong in that opinion.

"Black Dem Blasts 'Plantation' Hillary Clinton" - January 18, 2006

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006 ... html?s-icp



This is not the first time Hillary has tasted her own toenails.

"Hillary: Iraq Women Better Off under Saddam" - February 27, 2004

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004 ... 1415.shtml



I, and many others, think she has a lot to apologize for.

[ChiptBeef]

Well known racial huckster Al Sharpton supports Hillary Clinton's racist remarks referring to the Congress as being run like a "plantation." So much for parity.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006 ... 5052.shtml

[Accountable]

I've never had anything nice to say about Sharpton until last night, so I'm saying it before he screws it up again.



On O'Reilly (quiet SCT :p ) he said Nagin was wrong to make that "chocolate" remark and should have apologized as he did.



He also promised he would go to Vermont to make sure the little girl raped from ages 6-10 would be taken care of properly, since the rapist is only getting 60 days. This is significant because the little girl is from a poor white family. This is the first time I know of Sharpton making any gesture toward a non-black.

[greydeadhead]

OH CRAP.... the Rev. Al is coming here.. gimme a break...bwahahahahahahahahahahahaa.. that is the funniest thing I have ever heard. Like he has any credibility.. sorry.. really I am.. I just find this totally hilarious...right.. can you say Tawana Brawley.... (sp??)....

Like he can change the sentence that freakazoid got.. he can't change a freaking dirty diaper much less have the intelligence to take on a volatile legal controversy

[Accountable]

greydeadhead wrote: OH CRAP.... the Rev. Al is coming here.. gimme a break...bwahahahahahahahahahahahaa.. that is the funniest thing I have ever heard. Like he has any credibility.. sorry.. really I am.. I just find this totally hilarious...right.. can you say Tawana Brawley.... (sp??)....

Like he can change the sentence that freakazoid got.. he can't change a freaking dirty diaper much less have the intelligence to take on a volatile legal controversy
By and large, I agree. But with Sharpton comes national press attention, and his point is that since this little girl is not from an affluent family, her case may not be getting the attention and priority it deserves. Now this is something that can go a long way toward erasing that fiction called 'race'.

[greydeadhead]

National attention.. well maybe in this case..but highly doubtful. Vermont is too small of a state to command a large national audience, no matter what the topic. This story has already garnered some national attention, but overall it was just a blip on the radar...

And I agree, if Rev. Al is sincere in his intentions. but, judging by his past public appearances in support of issues, usually it is to stand on a soapbox and blow his own horn.. I highly doubt his sincerity in this case..

[Accountable]

greydeadhead wrote: National attention.. well maybe in this case..but highly doubtful. Vermont is too small of a state to command a large national audience, no matter what the topic. This story has already garnered some national attention, but overall it was just a blip on the radar...

And I agree, if Rev. Al is sincere in his intentions. but, judging by his past public appearances in support of issues, usually it is to stand on a soapbox and blow his own horn.. I highly doubt his sincerity in this case..
:yh_rotfl Of course he's not sincere! He's Al Sharpton! It's the attention that's important, not the speaker.

[greydeadhead]

Well.. I guess publicity from a noncredible source is better than none at all..

[ChiptBeef]

Huckster Al will get plenty of attention... for himself. Just like Hillary today running her mouth again in front of the cameras blaming our President for all the worlds problems (Iran). I guess Billary and her colleagues are just bystanders? :rolleyes:

[TruthSeekerToo]

An en.wikipedia.org article says "Tremendous political controversy ensued following remarks Lott made on Dec. 5, 2002 at Strom Thurmond's 100th birthday party." Under intense media pressure, Trent Lott resigned his Senate leadership post. That is common knowledge.

Where's the media and political pressure for Hillary to resign her Senate post?

[ChiptBeef]

The following letter to the editor appeared in the January 25, 2006 Roanoke Times newspaper ( www.roanoke.com ).

"Racism found in all skin tones"

"The Rev. Jesse Jackson delivered a message on Jan. 16 to a packed Burrus Hall Auditorium crowd at Virginia Tech in honor of Martin Luther King Jr. Explaining that Tech's success in football wouldn't exist if the school were segregated, he said, "You'd still be all-white, inadequate and slow." I wondered why people responded with laughter? They obviously didn't get the message."

"It is well documented what happens when notable figures of other ethnic origins utter similarly sterotypical opinions (e.g. Jimmy "the Greek" Snyder, Rush Limbaugh and Fischer DeBerry). It is certainly not laughter. Can it be there is a double standard for racism?"

"Your Jan. 17 news article, "Jesse Jackson says King's dreams have yet to be realized," was certainly proved by the comments of the hypocritical Jackson. It just goes to show that the color of a person's skin does not indicate his position on racism."

"Ed Hokanson"

"Blacksburg"

[greydeadhead]

Well CB.. tis the age old question..

why is it okay for one black person to call another black person n*****..and to call a white person a hon***..?? Double standards abound..

And as far as Jesse the counselor goes.. well.. I wonder how the child support payments are coming..

[ChiptBeef]

The main reason that letter to the editor caught my eye was the title. When I read it, I was surprised because Jesse Jackson's racist comments didn't make front-page headlines, at least in some of the regional papers here in Virginia. Ususally, Jesse's got plenty of cameras around from the mainstream media whenever he talks, so you would think a few of the larger media outlets would have covered it. But no, he gets a free pass. Typical double standard.

[ChiptBeef]

How about the remarks by Mr. Lowery and Mr. Carter at the funeral of Coretta Scott King? Just imagine if Pat Robertson and George Bush Sr. had made simlilar remarks during the Clinton years at a funeral for a high profile person about Clinton's unjust war in Kosovo or references to Chappaquidick.

[Accountable]

They wouldn't have. I think that's the point.



Bill Clinton didn't either, to his credit. Excellent and appropriate, as were both Presidents Bush.

[ChiptBeef]

I agree all the way to the bone. There are certain social standards that should not be violated. I think Lowery and Carter shattered those standards when they turned a funeral memorial service into a political platform with rants.

[Adam Zapple]

Jimmy Carter is a man I once admired. I thought he was a disasterous president but I respected him as a man. Unfortunately, he seems to have fallen into the Marxist camp in the last few years, at least he sounds like one. I've lost all respect for him.

[Accountable]

Yup. He was one of the greatest ex-Presidents ever.

[Bez]

Accountable wrote: They wouldn't have. I think that's the point.



Bill Clinton didn't either, to his credit. Excellent and appropriate, as were both Presidents Bush.


I know absolutely nothing about American politics, but out of all the presidents i have seen over the years Bill Clinton was my favourite....maybe I just fancied him a bit. I admired JFK a lot but I was a teenager (17) when he was assasinated and he was a heroic figure to us in those days .

[TruthSeekerToo]

Adam Zapple wrote: Jimmy Carter is a man I once admired. I thought he was a disasterous president but I respected him as a man. Unfortunately, he seems to have fallen into the Marxist camp in the last few years, at least he sounds like one. I've lost all respect for him.
Very well stated. I lived in Pennsylvania during the Three Mille Island accident and witnessed Carter's dog and pony show there. Even still, I thought he redeemed himself somewhat in the decades following his administration. His leaning towards extreme leftists in this decade has tainted that prior progress, in my mind. His antics at Ms. King's memorial was "the straw that broke the camel's back," as far as I'm concerned.

[ChiptBeef]

I wonder how much outrage the media will display, and how they will report on, the anti-American comments Al Gore made in Saudi Arabia. That will be interesting to watch.