Iranian Paper Plans Holocaust Cartoons

Benjamin · Post by **Benjamin** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:39 am

"TEHRAN, Iran - A prominent Iranian newspaper said Tuesday it would hold a competition for cartoons on the Holocaust to test whether the West extends the principle of freedom of expression to the Nazi genocide as it did to the caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060207/ap_ ... MlJVRPUCUl

These people are like spoiled little kids who throw a temper tantrum over any little thing they don't like. They've already called for Israel to be "wiped off the map." How could any cartoon possibly top that? :wah:

That being said, there's going to come a day when the world is fed up with all their crap and countries are going to start deporting them. Or worse.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:51 am

I just saw the article over their little contest. And I agree they are like little kids throwing tantrums. To bad we cannot just through some water in thier face to get them to calm down.

Ok I've never thrown water in my daughter's face when she's thrown a tantrum, just squirted her with a water gun.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:05 pm

I thought they were already awash in anti-Jew cartoons.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:31 am

Benjamin wrote: "TEHRAN, Iran - A prominent Iranian newspaper said Tuesday it would hold a competition for cartoons on the Holocaust to test whether the West extends the principle of freedom of expression to the Nazi genocide as it did to the caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060207/ap_ ... MlJVRPUCUl

These people are like spoiled little kids who throw a temper tantrum over any little thing they don't like. They've already called for Israel to be "wiped off the map." How could any cartoon possibly top that? :wah:

That being said, there's going to come a day when the world is fed up with all their crap and countries are going to start deporting them. Or worse.
Notice how they always go back to the jews? And we all know what will be their first target if they (iran) develope a nuke. And the fact that Israel is ready for them....

Benjamin · Post by **Benjamin** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:40 am

Raven wrote: Notice how they always go back to the jews? And we all know what will be their first target if they (iran) develope a nuke. And the fact that Israel is ready for them....
You're right. It seems that to most Arab Muslems, hatred of Jews and of Israel is central to their doctrine.

It's pretty well accepted that Israel has nukes, but something occured to me yesterday. In a country that small, how were they able to test them?

Fletch · Post by **Fletch** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 12:46 am

Benjamin wrote: You're right. It seems that to most Arab Muslems, hatred of Jews and of Israel is central to their doctrine.

Is this a balanced opinion based on fact, or just your own personal opinion?

The 'muslems' don't have a central doctrine of hatred towards the Jews.

The fact that they lived side by years peacfully, shows that.

If you actually want the real history of the war, I'd suggest you look at the following for a start.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab-Israe ... efore_1947

Just to throw this one out.

Israel has broken more U.N resolutions that Iraq ever did.

Don't believe me?

Well here are a few links.

The fact that a couple are from a Middle East website should hardly be a reason to doubt.

The facts are legit and can be double checked via the UN's website itself.

Failing that, a search on any engine will show you the list in it's entirety.

In fact, I'll balance it out myself with UN links as well.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle ... temID=2417

http://www.middleeastnews.com/unresolutionslist.html

http://www.musalman.com/news/musalman-U ... Israel.htm

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2002/sc7509.doc.htm

http://www.un.org/documents/scres.htm

You can verify them all at the last link.

Rather than jump on a bandwagon, it's sometimes best to look into things with an open mind.

Realistically, do you really think Iran could drop a nuke on Israel and not feel the radial blast?

They would end up contaminating themselves and their neighbours.

I'm not so worried about 10 states that want a nuclear weapon, I'm just worried about one that can hold the world to ransom.

He who has the biggest balls has the biggest tools? No wait, that can't be right.

The biggest toys will no doubt be used on the unsuspecting to prove how big & superior they are and how 'These things had to be done'.

History shows it.

Don't forget the millions affected by the Atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

120,000 people died instantly.

95% were innocent civillians.

Roughly 60,000 died through radiation poisoning.

Around 270,000 bomb affected people are still living.

Those that weren't lucky to die instantly, died slow painful deaths and their number goes off the scale.

Here's a link to that as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bom ... d_Nagasaki

Now the west thought it was the best move ever.

But if you was an innocent on the other side, it'd hardly be a case of singing "Collateral damage" or the praises of the west.

If you think, "Well it had to be done"...why?

Why has it never been done since even though certain situations would seem to warrant it.

Would it be fair to say it was one of the worst acts of terrorism ever committed?

To defeat the spirit of a country to gain moral control?

I see no difference with the actions of the West & the current actions of the East.

No ifs, buts or maybes about it.

Can you imagine if that had been done to the UK or US?

It beggars belief and the hatred we would have for the enemy would go off the scale.

There's your catalyst for haterd in place.

When all the politicians have finished measuring their balls to see who is the biggest moron, it's the innocent men, women & children who suffer.

We don't have to buy into the politics of war you know.

They have their own agendas, we don't need one!

Peace

Fletch

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:35 am

Fletch you need to meet Scrat. I think you two may be cousins.

Fletch · Post by **Fletch** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:38 am

Hey, I'm not anti-west.

I live here, but it doesn't mean I have to like these bully boy tactics.

What has happened on a political scale these last ten years, to create such an unstable situation.

Even during the 80's thing were nowhere near this bad.

What political ideology screwed things up?

'Oil' leave that for you guys.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:43 am

Fletch wrote: Hey, I'm not anti-west.

I live here, but it doesn't mean I have to like these bully boy tactics.

What has happened on a political scale these last ten years, to create such an unstable situation.

Even during the 80's thing were nowhere near this bad.

What political ideology screwed things up?

'Oil' leave that for you guys.
I'm not convinced Scrat is anti-west either, tbh.

Hopefully, we can find someone to draw people away from the Republicratic Party.

Fletch · Post by **Fletch** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:49 am

As long as you guys don't change the constitution to allow Ahhnuld to take control of the button.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:55 am

Fletch wrote: As long as you guys don't change the constitution to allow Ahhnuld to take control of the button.
No way, baby! I don't vote for anyone that comes with his own stunt-president. :wah:

Fletch · Post by **Fletch** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:57 am

I said it with you in mind as I saw your name at the bottom of the page!

But seriously, Kaali-fornia Man, may be aiming for the top and it kinda worries me.

But not as much as his friendship with Jorg Haider or Kurt Waldheim.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:09 am

Fletch wrote: I said it with you in mind as I saw your name at the bottom of the page!

But seriously, Kaali-fornia Man, may be aiming for the top and it kinda worries me.

But not as much as his friendship with Jorg Haider or Kurt Waldheim.
Not happenin'. The Great and Expansive Midwest will never stand for it. Nobody on the east coast except NYC would consider it. The deep south is way too suspicious of anybody whose accent they can't understand.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:11 am

LINK

The New York Times has refused to show the cartoons that have outraged so many Muslims, calling them "gratuitous assaults on religious symbols." But the Times has frequently published "art" that offend Christians, and this week re-printed the infamous portrait of the Virgin Mary splattered with elephant feces. Fox News analyst Jim Pinkerton accused the paper of stark hypocrisy. "When it's Christians peacefully protesting obnoxious art, the Times bashes the Christians. But when it's Muslims violently protesting obnoxious art, the Times bashes the artists. They called the Danish artists juvenile." Journalism expert Joe Strupp added that other papers are also censoring themselves. "Most papers in the US are not running the cartoons. The story here is these images, and they're not showing the images. They're afraid." The Factor denounced the Times for its obvious double standard. "They're hypocrites. There is no question in my mind that the New York Times is anti-Christian. Mary covered with dung is fine, but no images of Mohammed."

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:11 am

Fletch wrote: Is this a balanced opinion based on fact, or just your own personal opinion?

The 'muslems' don't have a central doctrine of hatred towards the Jews.

The fact that they lived side by years peacfully, shows that.

If you actually want the real history of the war, I'd suggest you look at the following for a start.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab-Israe ... efore_1947

Just to throw this one out.

Israel has broken more U.N resolutions that Iraq ever did.

Don't believe me?

Well here are a few links.

The fact that a couple are from a Middle East website should hardly be a reason to doubt.

The facts are legit and can be double checked via the UN's website itself.

Failing that, a search on any engine will show you the list in it's entirety.

In fact, I'll balance it out myself with UN links as well.

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle ... temID=2417

http://www.middleeastnews.com/unresolutionslist.html

http://www.musalman.com/news/musalman-U ... Israel.htm

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2002/sc7509.doc.htm

http://www.un.org/documents/scres.htm

You can verify them all at the last link.

Rather than jump on a bandwagon, it's sometimes best to look into things with an open mind.

Realistically, do you really think Iran could drop a nuke on Israel and not feel the radial blast?

They would end up contaminating themselves and their neighbours.

I'm not so worried about 10 states that want a nuclear weapon, I'm just worried about one that can hold the world to ransom.

He who has the biggest balls has the biggest tools? No wait, that can't be right.

The biggest toys will no doubt be used on the unsuspecting to prove how big & superior they are and how 'These things had to be done'.

History shows it.

Don't forget the millions affected by the Atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

120,000 people died instantly.

95% were innocent civillians.

Roughly 60,000 died through radiation poisoning.

Around 270,000 bomb affected people are still living.

Those that weren't lucky to die instantly, died slow painful deaths and their number goes off the scale.

Here's a link to that as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bom ... d_Nagasaki

Now the west thought it was the best move ever.

But if you was an innocent on the other side, it'd hardly be a case of singing "Collateral damage" or the praises of the west.

If you think, "Well it had to be done"...why?

Why has it never been done since even though certain situations would seem to warrant it.

Would it be fair to say it was one of the worst acts of terrorism ever committed?

To defeat the spirit of a country to gain moral control?

I see no difference with the actions of the West & the current actions of the East.

No ifs, buts or maybes about it.

Can you imagine if that had been done to the UK or US?

It beggars belief and the hatred we would have for the enemy would go off the scale.

There's your catalyst for haterd in place.

When all the politicians have finished measuring their balls to see who is the biggest moron, it's the innocent men, women & children who suffer.

We don't have to buy into the politics of war you know.

They have their own agendas, we don't need one!

Peace

Fletch

Ok apparatnly your rants are not gonna stop.

Here goes. Islam and Judism are brother religions. Ishmael and his mother were sent away after his half brother Isaac was born. But before being sent away God promised that Ishmaels people would be a mighty people. i don't know the exact verse. It's in Genesis. I'm typing oneyed here cause I just woke up.

AS to your other points anti-semintism is a factual thing among Muslims, why because in 1947 after WWII the Jews were given Israel or their homeland back. They became a nation. Others jeolous of this action started fighting with Israel for land they believed belonged to them.

Ok my steam ran out ...........be back after I've had some caffiene.

Fletch · Post by **Fletch** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:34 am

Sheryl wrote: Ok apparatnly your rants are not gonna stop.

How the hell is that a rant?

Get over yourself?

Christ, I gave enough links to back a salient point & you still want to do the hackneyed cliche of rant.

Give me a break.

All the facts about the start of the spate of Palestinian/Israeli violence are there.

You want to talk theology?

Fine with me.

But the post wasn't about theology.

I'll tell you what pisses me off and that is the fact that I addressed a particular quote and took it from there.

Originally Posted by Benjamin

You're right. It seems that to most Arab Muslems, hatred of Jews and of Israel is central to their doctrine.

Most Arab Muslims?

Hatred of Jews is indoctrinated?

Have you any idea how offensive that is?

Didn't you think that might be a generalisation and a ridiculous one at that?

Instead, you decide to bang on about a 'rant'.

If the Jewish brothers & sisters were given this level of contempt, this board would be flamed to death by now.

I just don;t get you people some times.

It's double standards to the hilt.

I'm disgusted at that.

It beggars belief.

If a single negative thing is said about Israel, instantly you bleat anti-semitism, but there isn't a term to cover muslims from the kind of ridicule and abuse they suffer.

Why is that?

Why are 'all arab muslims' banded together?

I don't really care for your coffee break Theology or history lesson.

The facts, I already know however, a little respect towards faith is more in need.

As I said, I don't subscribe to any religion but this is beyond a joke.

Also love to know your view point on Israels UN resolution breaking habit.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:48 am

Sorry shouldn't of accused you of ranting, I was still half awake.

It's just that your posts always seem to have a superiority tone to them. Yea Israel had done things to tick off the U.N. but what country hasn't done something that pisses off another country.

No I don't think it's doctrine for Muslims to dislike Jews, but when Israel became a country things heated up. If you have a link that gives the whole history of this dissagreement, please share it. If you have already, sorry I must have overlooked it.

My post was just giving my knowledge of how the 2 religions were supposed to be brothers. And instead of being loving brothers, they are now hating each other.

Give me a minute to go through your links.

Fletch · Post by **Fletch** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:12 am

Sheryl wrote: It's just that your posts always seem to have a superiority tone to them.

Sheryl, when I address someone that is showing blatant signs of offensive or racist behaviour, I wont be bothered about being respectful as they dictate the pace with their comments.

If my posts have an air of superiority, it's only because what I respond to, has an air of racist contempt and ignorance.

This link will give a good overview into the situation for a first timer and is littered with links that can be explored.

It's not the final word by a long shot, but is concise enough for most.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab-Israe ... efore_1947

Yea Israel had done things to tick off the U.N. but what country hasn't done something that pisses off another country.

You're not seriously trying to use that as a defense are you?

Then perhaps we should have let Iraq off the hook.

Come on now Sheryl, surely you have to see how ridiculous your comment must sound!

Is it so hard to accept that Israel has broken more resolutions than Iraq?

It's a fact and the figures from the UN will back it up, so saying "but what country hasn't done something that pisses off another country" is really weak and self destructive an argument.

As for Theology.

Read the Quran & the Bible and you'll see that they are not so different after all.

Many of the same characters appear in the same roles.

It's not the religion, but the fanatics on both sides that ruin it.

I would never dream of saying all whitemen believe in hanging black men on the back of the actions of WASP KKK'rs.

It would be ludicrous, yet that is what is happening here with the whole bashing of muslims.

It is disgusting and offensive and will only breed more anger and resentment,

That has always been my issue.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:16 am

No my comment about what other country has ticked off U.N. wasn't my defense.

I agree with you that the extremeist in both religions make the situations worse.

I'm reading the wikipedia link you have given. It's helpful in understanding alot of the conflict. Let me read on though.

Fletch · Post by **Fletch** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:22 am

Benjamin, This is for you.

A cut & Paste from the previous link.

Actually for anyone who thinks this is an indoctrinated hatred.

The Arab-Israeli conflict is a modern phenomenon, which dates back to the end of the 19th century. The conflict became a major international issue after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in 1917, and in various forms it continues to this day.

Indoctrinated?

I don't think so.

There are a billion plus muslims spread across the globe.

It's not indoctrinated that they must hate Jews.

That's ignorant and wrong.

Think about it.

If a billion people stamped there feet all at once, how much would it register on a global richter scale?

What if they did more than just jump.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:34 am

The Qur'an states that "Abraham was not a Jew, nor yet a Christian; but he was an upright man who had surrendered (to Allah), and he was not of the idolaters." (III - The house of Imran 67). This verse asserts that the biblical patriarch Abraham was not a Jew, but that he was a "Muslim" in the word's etymological sense of "one who has surrendered (to God)". Many Jews consider this to be anti-Semitic, arguing that it creates a historical anachronism that usurps the founding patriarch of Judaism, for the purpose of promoting a different religion. Muslims argue that calling him a Jew is itself anachronistic; if Abraham was an ethnic Jew, then the Arabs, as his traditional descendants through Ishmael, would equally have to be called Jews, and Judaism as we know it did not take shape until many centuries later. (Such arguments ignore Jewish rules relating to status and matrilineal descent.) Many sceptics would argue that even if Abraham existed at the time, monotheism did not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_anti-Semitism

Could this be the root of the Jews claiming anti-semitism.

Fletch · Post by **Fletch** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:46 am

I think there are tons more anachronisms and debatable issues in the books.

But I do not believe it to be the root of all evil, nor does it form an indoctrination.

Might I recommned a translation of the Quran into english?

You wont find passages of vitriolic hatred in there.

The interpretations you find on the web are loose and sketchy at best.

When I picked up the Bible, I didn't just scan a website that gave choice passages and it's own bias..

As for the term anti-semitic.

It's a hijacked term really.

Arabic and Hebrew are both semitic languages so for it to be claimed anti-semitic is an own goal.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:51 am

If it was easy for me to just run to local bookstore and buy a copy of the Quran I would, but umm not possible. I'll see if I can find one somewhere else though.

In simple terms I think this all can be compared to some brothers quarrelling (sp?) over who's idea is the right one.

Fletch · Post by **Fletch** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:55 am

It's just that one brother has a magic anti-abuse cloak!

Now let's be fair.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:56 am

Fletch wrote: It's just that one brother has a magic anti-abuse cloak!

Now let's be fair.

Which brother?

Fletch · Post by **Fletch** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:00 am

Well ma'am, like I said, the abuse Muslim brothers & sisters get on these boards would never be tolerated if it was aimed at the Jewish brothers & sisters.

Sheryl · Post by **Sheryl** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:03 am

Fletch wrote: Well ma'am, like I said, the abuse Muslim brothers & sisters get on these boards would never be tolerated if it was aimed at the Jewish brothers & sisters.

You are correct. Even though it's not right to batter one religion but allow another that has extremist too, to go unbashed.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:30 am

Fletch wrote: [...]

If the Jewish brothers & sisters were given this level of contempt, this board would be flamed to death by now.

I just don;t get you people some times.

It's double standards to the hilt.

I'm disgusted at that.

It beggars belief.

It's true. One guy got banned for it just recently.

http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showt ... light=jews