Brokeback Mountain

jennyswan · Post by **jennyswan** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:13 pm

Thank you Jenny, Wow what a dangerous trend from our youth, I wonder how much the media influences them?

I think they are just being raised differently! I don't know if it's good or bad, just different. They see sex as less of a big deal and have more confidence. They think it won't happen to me.

Of course sex is a big seller on TV.

Think of all the popular shows. They use sex to market them and all the people look good.

Do you think if the two guys from this movie were played by two ugly, beer bellied, fat guys with pimples anyone would watch it? :-3

Yavanna · Post by **Yavanna** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:14 pm

Hmmm, you still didn't answer my question........

Slade1 · Post by **Slade1** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:15 pm

Far Rider wrote: Link and abstract please.

news.nationalgeographic.com/ news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html - 34k - 18 Jan 2006

I don't know whether the link works, you may have to copy & paste.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:18 pm

Yavanna wrote: Oops, sorry, missed this - yes, they both marry. One has two kids and the other marries into a well-to-do family business.

So the movie endorses homosexual relations - to which many are saying so what. But it's also disregarding the importance of monogamy - which is supposed to be universal even today!

Bad movie. Stay away.

Slade1 · Post by **Slade1** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:21 pm

Jives wrote: Hmmm... I LIKE that line. I think that I'll make that my final statement here. It's obvious that those of us who consider anal sex between men indecent, dangerous, and immoral will not convince those of you that think it's good, wholesome, and acceptable. We don't seem to be able to convince you that negative media influences behavior either.

So you all can have your anal sex, I'm outta here! ROFL!:wah:

I'm not posting any more on here either. You just can't educate pork (excluding those who have posted on here that see sense and obviously have a bit of intelligence).

What frightens me is that 42% of Americans hold these opinions. I am so thankful for the 56% that don't.

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:24 pm

Slade1 wrote: those who have posted on here that see sense and obviously have a bit of intelligence)..

Why thank you, Slade! That was nice of you to say that about me.

:D

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:25 pm

What was that you said about being insulting?

Oh yeah, I remember..."those are the statements of one who has lost an argument.":D

Katy1 · Post by **Katy1** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:34 pm

Jives wrote: You've made your self very clear, katy. You are permissive. You are not for drawing any kind of line as to what is acceptable and what is not. (See my post about a "A Day in the Life of a Child Molester" or "NeoNazis are People Too!")

So, truthfully, when you said you didn't like the erosion of morals in society, you were lying, since it is these very kinds of things that erode those values.

Jives, I think that resorting to playground insults-name calling, telling me 'I'm lying' really isn't my type of debate. I don't think that merely stating that 'you have proved' this or that means that you have.

I know my own moral code, one that doesn't involve the ignorance of scientific realities and reliance on out dated prejudices. If you want to delude yourself that I am lying then go ahead. You have your freedoms.

Katy :-5

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:51 pm

Far, do me a favor? Take out that graphic from your post?

I'd appreciate it.

:-1

Slade1 · Post by **Slade1** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:48 pm

http://www.geocities.com/ninure/cameron.html

http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/answers.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/thisweek ... 64,00.html

http://www.postfun.com/pfp/sex/lolite/homotest.html

(Ha, ha, ha)

http://mwillett.org/atheism/homosexual.htm

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/1979boswell.html

My last, last post on here...

SOJOURNER · Post by **SOJOURNER** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:28 pm

As my husband would not go to see this movie, I went to see it by myself this afternoon. With all the discussion on this forum about it, I needed to view it myself.

IN MY OPINION:

This was not a love story.

This was a very sad story and it made me sad.

I was very uncomfortable with the intimate encounters.

There was nothing in this movie that showed this relationship to be acceptable. It did show the wide circle of hurt it brought to those close to them, as well as the hurt they caused themselves.

Nothing in this movie would make a person want to step into their shoes and live their life. It did show how violently some people will physically attack those who are different from themselves -- to the point that they will kill them to set an example of what can happen to those of 'that persuasion' (something the news shows us from time to time).

I am glad I went and saw for myself. Would I recommend it. No. Curiosity about the movie can be cured by someone telling you about the story. Has it changed me? I don't think so. Will I think about these two men? Yes, with sadness.

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:35 pm

SOJOURNER wrote: As my husband would not go to see this movie,

lol. Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

IN MY OPINION:This was not a love story. This was a very sad story and it made me sad.I was very uncomfortable with the intimate encounters.

There was nothing in this movie that showed this relationship to be acceptable. It did show the wide circle of hurt it brought to those close to them, as well as the hurt they caused themselves.

Well, thank Heaven for that!

What did the movie have to say about the adultery of their relationship, Sojo? I guess there really isn't any redeeming feature of this movie, huh?:o

SOJOURNER · Post by **SOJOURNER** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:47 pm

Jives wrote:

What did the movie have to say about the adultery of their relationship, Sojo? I guess there really isn't any redeeming feature of this movie, huh?:o

Both marriages were a sham. Maybe not so much when they began, but as the two men's relationship continued to be acted on, their relationship with their marriage partner deteriorated -- much the same as in straight relationship.

Tho it was adultrey, you did not view it as such. It was a cheat -- dishonest.

Puts me in mind now of Dr. Zhigwa -- another "love story", but in actuality, it is just plain old adultrey.

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 2:53 pm

HEY! I have scrupulously avoided using derogatory terms towards poofs.. I mean Homosexuals here, (oh except for the "butt buddies" remark.) So let's keep it clean!:wah:

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:02 pm

Come over here, Clancy...I have this thing I want to show you. it's called an "Iron maiden" That's it, just lean forward a bit more....

:wah:

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:21 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: Yeah, and adultery with two fudge packers! How gross is that, Jives?:sneaky:
Adultery is bad enough.

And both of them are committing it.

Why on earth would anyone conceive of being sympathetic toward such people?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:27 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: Since you quoted me, are you insinuating that I'm sympathetic to two cheaters? I don't give a rat's ass if they're gay or not, but I feel strongly about someone betraying a loved one.Good. I was hoping that's how it was.

SOJOURNER · Post by **SOJOURNER** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:11 pm

Clancy wrote: Jives would have done well during the Spanish Inquisition......

SOJOURNER · Post by **SOJOURNER** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 7:20 pm

Clancy wrote: ....I knew he was one of them. Thats Jives at the back in the flying helmet

By jove! I think you've got him!:)

Yavanna · Post by **Yavanna** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:11 pm

And he's wearing a frock. I am utterly shocked!

Uncle Kram · Post by **Uncle Kram** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:14 pm

Are there any scenes with pot pourri?

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:37 pm

Uncle Kram wrote: Are there any scenes with pot pourri?

we'll have no pot pourri here (to paraphrase Ian Paisley)

Uncle Kram · Post by **Uncle Kram** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 3:13 pm

gmc wrote: we'll have no pot pourri here (to paraphrase Ian Paisley)

And a merry xmas to you too :wah:

Yavanna · Post by **Yavanna** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:18 pm

Isn't that in fact Freddie Mercury in a ball gown ?

aimnyamer · Post by **aimnyamer** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:10 am

I think this is the best film i've ever seen...

I also made a review, here it is:

Pure and simple, black and white, this movie is undeniably amazing. All film elements were superb maybe except for some voice inflections because of their western cowboy accent that makes it hard to understand some of the words, but all in all, it was great. The actors were so amazing, so submersed in their roles; their real-life personas disappeared within minutes. The movie takes place over a 20-year time frame, and each of the actors aged so well, so gracefully. There was no forcing myself to buy into their acting, I just watched and was deeply moved. The majestic scenery, of course the mountain, also contributes a great factor to the filmÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s magnificence. Lastly, one of the best things I appreciate is the music used.

Here is the amazing part: once the movie ended, I realized that I hadn't cried up at all. There wasn't even a moment in the movie where I felt the waterworks

coming on.

It doesn't take much for me to cry a bit in movies, I'll admit it, but this movie in particular went beyond that. It didn't aim to make the viewers or theatergoers wallow in their tears as they swam to the exits, it aimed to get into your heart, your mind, your soul, and break you.

It broke me.

I woke up this morning and my heart was aching. I couldn't stop thinking about the movie and its characters. Every scene in the movie, every line of dialogue, just

tears you up inside.

It all seemed so real, I felt as if I had experienced every range of

emotions on the emotional spectrum during the two hours I spent watching. Never before have I been this deeply affected by a film that I probably couldn't quote you a single joke from the film after it was over.

This movie haunts me still.

It haunts me.

I don't know how to explain it, except to say that if you think you can handle it,

I would without a doubt recommend this movie to you.

I don't care if youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re a member of a conservative group or how your fears and prejudices shape what you do in life, you must see this movie. It could very easily

change your entire outlook.

Love. It's such an amazing thing. To find it and be UNABLE to nurture it may

very well be one of the most heart-wrenching ideas you could possibly imagine. Can you?

Imagine being madly in love with someone for over 20 years and never being

able to do a thing about it for fear of being ostracized for life, shaming your family, or perhaps even killed. If that doesn't make your heart ache, I don't know what will. Now imagine a movie that allows you to quite literally step into the lives

of two people going through that exact same thing.

My biggest realization from this film is: Ã¢â‚¬Å“LOVE, the more it gets

hindered

and complicated,

the more GRAND it becomes.Ã¢â‚¬

BUT the most important thing for all of you is to go see this film!!!!

Not just because it is a rare, unique, wonderful film, but it will be years before

another serious gay-themed film gets "green lighted."

I bet Hollywood should stretch its mind out to produce another gay film

as good as this. A lot of people are saying that it is so good, it is getting so many

rave reviews and awards

(Best Picture: Golden Globes, Critics Choice, NYFCA, LAFCA, DFFCA and

Golden Lions (Venice Film Festival Ã¢â‚¬Ëœ05), Hopefully, i wish that it'll also be this year's Oscar Best PictureÃ¢â‚¬Thanks to Ang Lee!)

Thus, it draws in a straight crowd, too.

Just remember to take into account the time and place that the story takes place, and, howÃ¢â‚¬

because this is why the film is so importantÃ¢â‚¬for too many, it could

have been written about their TOMORROW.

I dare you to see "Brokeback Mountain" and not come back a changed human

being.

StupidCowboyTricks · Post by **StupidCowboyTricks** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:14 am

aimnyamer wrote: I think this is the best film i've ever seen...

I also made a review, here it is:

Pure and simple, black and white, this movie is undeniably amazing. All film elements were superb maybe except for some voice inflections because of their western cowboy accent that makes it hard to understand some of the words, but all in all, it was great. The actors were so amazing, so submersed in their roles; their real-life personas disappeared within minutes. The movie takes place over a 20-year time frame, and each of the actors aged so well, so gracefully. There was no forcing myself to buy into their acting, I just watched and was deeply moved. The majestic scenery, of course the mountain, also contributes a great factor to the filmÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s magnificence. Lastly, one of the best things I appreciate is the music used.

Here is the amazing part: once the movie ended, I realized that I hadn't cried up at all. There wasn't even a moment in the movie where I felt the waterworks

coming on.

It doesn't take much for me to cry a bit in movies, I'll admit it, but this movie in particular went beyond that. It didn't aim to make the viewers or theatergoers wallow in their tears as they swam to the exits, it aimed to get into your heart, your mind, your soul, and break you.

It broke me.

I woke up this morning and my heart was aching. I couldn't stop thinking about the movie and its characters. Every scene in the movie, every line of dialogue, just

tears you up inside.

It all seemed so real, I felt as if I had experienced every range of

emotions on the emotional spectrum during the two hours I spent watching. Never before have I been this deeply affected by a film that I probably couldn't quote you a single joke from the film after it was over.

This movie haunts me still.

It haunts me.

I don't know how to explain it, except to say that if you think you can handle it,

I would without a doubt recommend this movie to you.

I don't care if youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re a member of a conservative group or how your fears and prejudices shape what you do in life, you must see this movie. It could very easily

change your entire outlook.

Love. It's such an amazing thing. To find it and be UNABLE to nurture it may

very well be one of the most heart-wrenching ideas you could possibly imagine. Can you?

Imagine being madly in love with someone for over 20 years and never being

able to do a thing about it for fear of being ostracized for life, shaming your family, or perhaps even killed. If that doesn't make your heart ache, I don't know what will. Now imagine a movie that allows you to quite literally step into the lives

of two people going through that exact same thing.

My biggest realization from this film is: Ã¢â‚¬Å“LOVE, the more it gets

hindered

and complicated,

the more GRAND it becomes.Ã¢â‚¬

BUT the most important thing for all of you is to go see this film!!!!

Not just because it is a rare, unique, wonderful film, but it will be years before

another serious gay-themed film gets "green lighted."

I bet Hollywood should stretch its mind out to produce another gay film

as good as this. A lot of people are saying that it is so good, it is getting so many

rave reviews and awards

(Best Picture: Golden Globes, Critics Choice, NYFCA, LAFCA, DFFCA and

Golden Lions (Venice Film Festival Ã¢â‚¬Ëœ05), Hopefully, i wish that it'll also be this year's Oscar Best PictureÃ¢â‚¬Thanks to Ang Lee!)

Thus, it draws in a straight crowd, too.

Just remember to take into account the time and place that the story takes place, and, howÃ¢â‚¬

because this is why the film is so importantÃ¢â‚¬for too many, it could

have been written about their TOMORROW.

I dare you to see "Brokeback Mountain" and not come back a changed human

being.

I didn't get all that from this movie.....It was an OK movie, suitable for a "Land Mark Movie" (as they call it)

The acting was OK, the dialog was rather dull and boring, the Love story wasn't all that intense.....

I think a movie that wasn't making fun of the stereotypes was somewhat refreshing..... "Boy's dont Cry" was a far more intense movie then this.....

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:38 am

aimnyamer wrote: I think this is the best film i've ever seen...

I also made a review, here it is:

Pure and simple, black and white, this movie is undeniably amazing. All film elements were superb maybe except for some voice inflections because of their western cowboy accent that makes it hard to understand some of the words, but all in all, it was great. The actors were so amazing, so submersed in their roles; their real-life personas disappeared within minutes. The movie takes place over a 20-year time frame, and each of the actors aged so well, so gracefully. There was no forcing myself to buy into their acting, I just watched and was deeply moved. The majestic scenery, of course the mountain, also contributes a great factor to the filmÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s magnificence. Lastly, one of the best things I appreciate is the music used.

Here is the amazing part: once the movie ended, I realized that I hadn't cried up at all. There wasn't even a moment in the movie where I felt the waterworks

coming on.

It doesn't take much for me to cry a bit in movies, I'll admit it, but this movie in particular went beyond that. It didn't aim to make the viewers or theatergoers wallow in their tears as they swam to the exits, it aimed to get into your heart, your mind, your soul, and break you.

It broke me.

I woke up this morning and my heart was aching. I couldn't stop thinking about the movie and its characters. Every scene in the movie, every line of dialogue, just

tears you up inside.

It all seemed so real, I felt as if I had experienced every range of

emotions on the emotional spectrum during the two hours I spent watching. Never before have I been this deeply affected by a film that I probably couldn't quote you a single joke from the film after it was over.

This movie haunts me still.

It haunts me.

I don't know how to explain it, except to say that if you think you can handle it,

I would without a doubt recommend this movie to you.

I don't care if youÃ¢â‚¬â„¢re a member of a conservative group or how your fears and prejudices shape what you do in life, you must see this movie. It could very easily

change your entire outlook.

Love. It's such an amazing thing. To find it and be UNABLE to nurture it may

very well be one of the most heart-wrenching ideas you could possibly imagine. Can you?

Imagine being madly in love with someone for over 20 years and never being

able to do a thing about it for fear of being ostracized for life, shaming your family, or perhaps even killed. If that doesn't make your heart ache, I don't know what will. Now imagine a movie that allows you to quite literally step into the lives

of two people going through that exact same thing.

My biggest realization from this film is: Ã¢â‚¬Å“LOVE, the more it gets

hindered

and complicated,

the more GRAND it becomes.Ã¢â‚¬

BUT the most important thing for all of you is to go see this film!!!!

Not just because it is a rare, unique, wonderful film, but it will be years before

another serious gay-themed film gets "green lighted."

I bet Hollywood should stretch its mind out to produce another gay film

as good as this. A lot of people are saying that it is so good, it is getting so many

rave reviews and awards

(Best Picture: Golden Globes, Critics Choice, NYFCA, LAFCA, DFFCA and

Golden Lions (Venice Film Festival Ã¢â‚¬Ëœ05), Hopefully, i wish that it'll also be this year's Oscar Best PictureÃ¢â‚¬Thanks to Ang Lee!)

Thus, it draws in a straight crowd, too.

Just remember to take into account the time and place that the story takes place, and, howÃ¢â‚¬

because this is why the film is so importantÃ¢â‚¬for too many, it could

have been written about their TOMORROW.

I dare you to see "Brokeback Mountain" and not come back a changed human

being.
Wow! You make adultery sound so cool! I think I'll go register on one of those singles websites.

Surprising how irrelevant a long marriage with children is in the face of true love. Yup, It's better to be happy than responsible.

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:42 am

hey ACC, i'd like to see attribution for that 'review'.

StupidCowboyTricks · Post by **StupidCowboyTricks** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:43 am

Accountable wrote: Wow! You make adultery sound so cool! I think I'll go register on one of those singles websites.

Surprising how irrelevant a long marriage with children is in the face of true love. Yup, It's better to be happy than responsible.

That isn't what he said Ginger.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:46 am

StupidCowboyTricks wrote: That isn't what he said Ginger.://">
HUH?!? :-2 That's what the movie's about, right? Two people who forsake their love and marry someone else (poor saps) then realize that their own love is more important than the sham marriages or the children that came from them.

Ah love! :-4

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:47 am

lady cop wrote: hey ACC, i'd like to see attribution for that 'review'.
Mine? :wah:

lady cop · Post by **lady cop** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:49 am

Accountable wrote: Mine? :wah:no, you i trust!