Brokeback Mountain

Yavanna · Post by **Yavanna** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:45 am

Anyone seen this yet? It sounds intriguing, and very well made.

Or is it just the subject matter which is getting all the attention ?

SOJOURNER · Post by **SOJOURNER** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:52 am

Tell us more about this. I've not heard of it, yet.

Yavanna · Post by **Yavanna** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:01 am

It's directed by Ang Lee (the chap who directed Sense and Sensibility) and it's had some rave reviews for its peformances. It's likely to be up for a number of awards (although whether it gets Oscars is another matter).

It's about the relationship between 2 cowboys who fall in love (I think in the 19th century). A gay cowboy movie - sounds great!

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:37 am

All I know is our local cinema (in a very FAMILY oriented town) isn't

showing it. Kinda surprising. Maybe they will run it later, after all the

buzz dies down. If I wanted to see it now I'd have to drive up the

freeway a few miles.

Yavanna · Post by **Yavanna** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:00 am

Thanks Snoozecontrol - I hadn't realised it was set in the 60's. I guess I always associate Ang Lee with Regency dresses and men in breeches. :wah:

I can never understand why it's acceptable to show films which include horrendous violence or degradation of women, but a love story is such a shock-horror incident.

I also don't understand why fundies don't simply refuse to watch it, whilst leaving everyone else to choose. If I was living in one of those towns which weren't showing it, I'd feel pretty miffed that my right to choose my own entertainment was impeded by someone else's morality. But in the UK, we aren't likely to have such a problem - things are more relaxed, generally speaking. (Although the Jerry Springer opera caused a furore).

In any event, the film is based on fact. There are plenty of contemporaneous sources from the 19th century (and probably later) showing that cowboys had sexual experiences with each other. At least it gave the cows a break.

Adam Zapple · Post by **Adam Zapple** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:58 am

No one is being impeded from seeing Brokeback Mountain. Some smaller towns and cinemas can't show every film so they play the ones that will bring the most profit. Fundies have nothing to do with it.

Wolverine · Post by **Wolverine** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 12:40 pm

i'll pass. sorry.

not much into chick flicks. unless i get dragged there.

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:19 pm

Wolverine wrote: i'll pass. sorry.

not much into chick flicks. unless i get dragged there.

That was funny ..............

valerie · Post by **valerie** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:27 pm

Just saw it this afternoon... this is a GOOD movie.

StupidCowboyTricks · Post by **StupidCowboyTricks** » Fri Dec 30, 2005 5:24 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: No one really cares, but the whole theatre experience bugs me. Do we really know who's been touching those arm rests?

I'll wait for the DVD.

No telling how thats been touched.:wah:

mominiowa · Post by **mominiowa** » Sat Dec 31, 2005 11:50 am

I read the book and it was AWESOME writing-- I will try and watch it but our town had stated - we are 95% Catholic and are a privately owned theater and it will NOT be shown..Blah blah-- its there loss-it's already up for some Nomi's isn't it?

Yavanna · Post by **Yavanna** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:37 pm

Yep, it's likely to win plenty of awards.

I've seen some trailers, which looked pretty powerful to me. I like Jake Gyllenhaal in most things (must not make crude joke at this point) - and I bet he's great in this.

StupidCowboyTricks · Post by **StupidCowboyTricks** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:16 pm

I saw this movie Monday, It was good, it wasn't great, it wasn't bad or horrible. Let's just say I think of it as a stepping stone. Up to this point most movies about "Gays" are poking fun at "gay stereo types".......It was a "love story".........and the majority in theater were women.

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:40 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: I guess quite a few men are offended by the fact they're cowboys... like its an insult to the memory of John Wayne.:rolleyes:

Don't roll your eyes at me, Snooze. I happen to think that taking one of the most masculine genres and making it homosexual is a crying shame and more than a little gross.

Go ahead, call me homophobic, but I can't see how this does anyone any good.

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:45 pm

StupidCowboyTricks wrote: .and the majority in theater were women.

Figures.

Let's see...what's the most feminine of genres? I know, let's make a fairy-tale Disney movie of Cinderella.

Only this time Cinderella is a lesbian and she sleeps with her sisters, then another lesbian princess comes along and marries her!

Wow! Instant hit!

The list doesn't end there either!

Gay Bugs Bunny - The movie, Bugs sleeps with Daffy!

The Gay Three Stooges!

Gay Star Trek!

Gay Star Wars! Obi Wan and Darth Vader are a couple!

Lesbian Simpsons!

Homosexual Terminator!

Sheesh! All of this stuff is just plain disgusting.

Yavanna · Post by **Yavanna** » Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:15 am

Hmmmm.......hysteria, homophobia and sexism all in one post. That's value for money.....

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:46 am

Hmmmm....a lack of morals, loose values, and sexual-identity baggage all in one poster...now that's value.

Yavanna · Post by **Yavanna** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:07 pm

Oh no, my secret is out ! :-3 :wah:

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:00 am

SnoozeControl wrote: t the Heath Ledger character is supposed to be bitterly ashamed of his homosexuality.

Good. This movie is just another of a long list of examples of Hollywood eroding family and Christian values.

It's OK to be a bank robber, it's OK to be a drug dealer, it's Ok to be a homosexual cowboy, the litany of callous disregard for civilized values and the constant degradation of our society goes on.

Like I said, nothing is sacred to them and shame on everyone in this thread for turning your backs on decency. I'm not only boycotting this film, I'm advising everyone I know to boycott it.

Let's, instead, send the message that we aren't for this kind of indecency. Let's stand up for right instead of wrong.

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:07 am

SnoozeControl wrote:

Why are you offended by the idea of a gay cowboy?

For the exact same reason your gandfather wsa ashamed of it, it's indecent. Something you have either forgotten or never learned. Shame on you.

There's no use denying and/or being insulted by the idea of a gay cowboy or any other gay man in a "manly" career, its a fact of life that's been ignored till now.

Actually, it hasn't been ignored. Up till now it was villified instead of glorified. People used to have innocence and civility. Unfortunately, thanks to the media's preoccupation with violence, sex, and evil most of that childlike innocence has been stripped away along with the Chritian values that go with it.

What's left is a sad, morose, violent, homosexual, depressed, selfish, twisted ragged shadow of a formerly great society.

But don't take my word on it, let's ask our local cowboy what he thinks of men who were formerly and still may be heros to young boys having intercourse on the big screen.

Like I said, Gross. And if you like this movie, you are gross and more than a little twisted inside too. I'll pray for your soul.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:17 am

Jives wrote: Actually, it hasn't been ignored. Up till now it was villified instead of glorified. People used to have innocence and civility. Unfortunately, thanks to the media's preoccupation with violence, sex, and evil most of that childlike innocence has been stripped away along with the Chritian values that go with it.

I think you do the values injustice. You restrict them by calling them Christian. These values are supported by Jewish, Christian, and Muslim tradition, as well as others, I'm sure.

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:20 am

Accountable wrote: I think you do the values injustice. You restrict them by calling them Christian. These values are supported by Jewish, Christian, and Muslim tradition, as well as others, I'm sure.

Thanks for reminding me, ACC! You're absolutely right! Good people the world over have cause to detest this movie. I stand corrected!:D

SOJOURNER · Post by **SOJOURNER** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:12 am

SnoozeControl wrote: "It's OK to be a bank robber, it's OK to be a drug dealer, it's Ok to be a homosexual cowboy, the litany of callous disregard for civilized values and the constant degradation of our society goes on."

You're comparing homosexuality with criminal and unlawful behavior? What century are you from?

I love it when you talk serious! :-6

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:01 am

A question ! What would ANY of you do if your son or daughter told you that they were GAY. Bear in mind that homosexuality is not an illness that you can cure, nor is it a cultish thing that you can persuade someone not to join. It is not an addiction neither is it a mental illness. A gay person is gay for life.

Many people here have very strong family values....would these be shattered if a child proclaimed themselves to be gay ? How much would it test your love and support for them ?

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:26 am

Far Rider wrote: Snooze..

I gay couple does not make a family, that is not a family. How can you have family values when its does not exist in the union?

Amazingly well-put, Far.

This movie is all about normalizing homosexuality. Homosexuality is listed in the abnormal psychology section of the textbook. Why? Because two members of the same gender cannot propagate. It's unnatural. (And that's not even raising the whole Biblical thing)

I'm not so much against homosexuality, after all it is a birth defect, as I am against making it a mainstream choice for all our children.

Call me selfish, but I'm personally glad my son had daughters so that I could enjoy grandchildren.

That is normal, that is family.

And why is anyone here surprised that two masculine men like Far and I would object to making male-role models butt-buddies? I don't want that message relayed to either my children or my grandchildren!

And neither should you.

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:34 pm

Far Rider wrote: I strongly disagree Bez. Its not a natural way, if it was then it would be at least 50% of our society.

My children will never choose to do that, so Its very safe for me to say I'd love them, but not accept their behavior.

I'll bet you all the money I have and all my childrens inheritance that my chidlren wont even have heterosexual sex prior to marriage.

Far...I didn't actually SAY it was 'a natural way' did I, I was only stating the facts that I have read and asking a question from a parents point of view. In fact I haven't actually expressed an opion.

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:38 pm

Way to be noncommital, Bez... Come on! Take a stand on the side of dignity, morality and civility with us!:o

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:43 pm

Jives wrote: Amazingly well-put, Far.

This movie is all about normalizing homosexuality. Homosexuality is listed in the abnormal psychology section of the textbook. Why? Because two members of the same gender cannot propagate. It's unnatural. (And that's not even raising the whole Biblical thing)

I'm not so much against homosexuality, after all it is a birth defect, as I am against making it a mainstream choice for all our children.

Call me selfish, but I'm personally glad my son had daughters so that I could enjoy grandchildren.

That is normal, that is family.

And why is anyone here surprised that two masculine men like Far and I would object to making male-role models butt-buddies? I don't want that message relayed to either my children or my grandchildren!

And neither should you.

I'm not at all surprised at yours and Fars objections and opinions and I respect them as much as I do Snoozys or anyone elses. That is the true value of our Forum that we can debate and discuss such topics.

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:54 pm

lol. Very diplomatic of you, Bez. :wah:

Forgive me if I get a little worked up with this topic. Everyday I see the terrible damage that our decay of moral and civil values is causing society. Worse yet, I see the damage reflected in the absolute worst place to see it.

My students.

This morning, for example, one of the African American students in my classroom was srceaming the F-word at the top of her lungs at another student. When I told her that she couldn't speak like that and that it wasn't either "ladylike" or "feminine" she laughed and told me, "I don't want to be a lady."

Yesterday I had to explain to a young man that it's not nice to look up girl's dresses. He truly didn't understand that. No one had ever taught him that before.

You see why I have such a problem with the erosion of morals?

What will these young men and women be like when they are parents?

What will their children be like?

And more importantly....

What will happen to our country?!!

:(

Jives · Post by **Jives** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:05 pm

SnoozeControl wrote: I can't really say I appreciate the implication that if you're not mortally offended by homosexuality then you're morally bankrupt. Which I'm assuming is what you're trying to imply about ME, Jives?

You don't have to be mortally offended about it, but you certainly shouldn't condone it's being sold mainstream to our children, Snooze.

What happened to "discretion?"

Honestly, would you grandmother have been OK with this wholesale attack on morality and decency?

I think not.

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:09 pm

Jives wrote: Way to be noncommital, Bez... Come on! Take a stand on the side of dignity, morality and civility with us!:o

O.K..... seeing as I'm being challenged, I will climb down from the fence ( before I'm knocked down )

I have a wonderful male relation that is gay. He is witty, intelligent, kind and as masculine a person as you could find. Runs marathons, cycles up mountains for fun and charity, is very successful in his career etc etc.

I had a very good female friend at work who is gay...she was a wonderful, successful person who left work to take up voluntary work with underpriviledged kids in South America.

I know other gay people through my Buddhist practise who lead normal quiet, hardworking lives.

I do have a problem with gay couples as families with children, not because they can't provide a loving, safe environment but because of societies reactions to that particular family group and the effect that that could have on the children in the future.

I do have problems with some of the exhibitionist antics a few get up to.

In short, I have no problem with gay people, people who practise other religions or people from other countries. I speak as I find.

Good people are the treasures of this planet.

Bad people are poison....simple as that.

SOJOURNER · Post by **SOJOURNER** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:12 pm

Bez wrote: A question ! What would ANY of you do if your son or daughter told you that they were GAY. Bear in mind that homosexuality is not an illness that you can cure, nor is it a cultish thing that you can persuade someone not to join. It is not an addiction neither is it a mental illness. A gay person is gay for life.

Many people here have very strong family values....would these be shattered if a child proclaimed themselves to be gay ? How much would it test your love and support for them ?

NOTHING would separate me from my child.

It is not a lifestyle I would want for my child cause

it is a very rough road for them to walk. But if they

were, they would not cease to be someone I loved

and cared about. They would, perhaps, need all the

more care and nurturing than if they were straight.

SOJOURNER · Post by **SOJOURNER** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:18 pm

Far Rider wrote:

I'll bet you all the money I have and all my childrens inheritance that my chidlren wont even have heterosexual sex prior to marriage.

Oh FAR............. :-3 You are tempting fate with that statement. I wish you

well in your parenting, but unless you are going to keep them alone, at home, on the ranch, away from all members of the opposite sex......... well, even then they could depart from Papa's teachings..........:-2

SOJOURNER · Post by **SOJOURNER** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:24 pm

Jives wrote: I'm not so much against homosexuality, after all it is a birth defect, as I am against making it a mainstream choice for all our children.

JIVES, you cannot have it both ways.

If it is a birth defect, then it is not a choice.

If it is not a choice, you cannot influence it

with movies.

SOJOURNER · Post by **SOJOURNER** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:28 pm

Jives wrote: lol. Very diplomatic of you, Bez. :wah:

Forgive me if I get a little worked up with this topic. Everyday I see the terrible damage that our decay of moral and civil values is causing society. Worse yet, I see the damage reflected in the absolute worst place to see it.

My students.

This morning, for example, one of the African American students in my classroom was srceaming the F-word at the top of her lungs at another student. When I told her that she couldn't speak like that and that it wasn't either "ladylike" or "feminine" she laughed and told me, "I don't want to be a lady."

Yesterday I had to explain to a young man that it's not nice to look up girl's dresses. He truly didn't understand that. No one had ever taught him that before.

You see why I have such a problem with the erosion of morals?

What will these young men and women be like when they are parents?

What will their children be like?

And more importantly....

What will happen to our country?!!

:(

What you are recounting here has nothing to do with homosexuality. You are choosing to lump it all together. The children you wrote about just have not been properly brought up -- whether in a straight or a gay household.

Bez · Post by **Bez** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:47 pm

Jives wrote: Way to be noncommital, Bez... Come on! Take a stand on the side of dignity, morality and civility with us!:o

Noncommital - I've already posted my stand on homosexuality

Dignity, morality, civility....add to those respect, love, kindess, honesty, integrity, tolerance, generosity of spirit etc etc. These are the things where I do stand side by side with you...:-4

These are also the things missing in some of your pupils lives Jives....we see it in the UK. I am thankful that my own kids have grown up with with a fair helping of these attributes.