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When I talk to my friends or family about my relationship, especially things that I am upset about, a common phrase comes up: "oh that's just a guy thing, they are all like that." I understand that I have a lot to learn about men, because despite their "simplicity," I am completely baffled sometimes. My question here, is how do I tell if my guy is being a jerk, or if it's just "a guy thing?"

There are some parts of life, such as women with their menstrual cycles, that go without saying as something that we (women AND men) need to accept. These so-called "normal" behaviors that come from hormonal changes or stress are excused as being such as a general rule. Since I am only in my second "big" relationship, and the two men couldn't be more different, I have yet to make these kinds of blanket statements about how men act.

So anyway, let's get to the crux of my issue(s). It might be easier if I just make a list, then maybe you all can tell me if these are normal or just jerk things to do. (Where do the two overlap?)

Some background: We met in college, graduated in 04, have been together 3 years, live 85 miles away from each other, have our own jobs and houses, and care very much for each other.

My problems with him:

- Communication; he is very stingy with his feelings and rarely shows any kind of emotion, and thus, I rarely know how he's really feeling about anything, which is very damaging in a long distance relationship where it really matters to hear how he's feeling when I can't see him

- Communication; as a long distance relationship, there needs to be an overcompensation of communication to make up for the lack in closeness, right? Well, he has 2 cell phones, a work phone, a home computer, laptop, and work computer - but is the single most IMPOSSIBLE person to get a hold of (phones break, networks go down, etc.) at any given time

- Schedule; he is the busiest person I have ever met in my life. He might have ADD, or maybe just 5 mens worth of ambition, but he is always running around, always doing something (works 60+ hours a week, goes to Grad School, etc.) and I am usually the last on the list of his priorities

- Schedule; he never makes plans. We don't talk about the weekend, the only time we have together during the week, until Thursday or Friday unless I bring it up and come up with something. If it is up to him, we never talk about it, and I end up sitting around waiting for him to make a move, while he does everything BUT something with me

- Independence; I moved out on my own as soon as I graduated. He just now bought a townhouse and started moving a year later, which is fine. However, he refuses to move ALL of his stuff out of his parent's house because apparently his mom will be really upset and have some kind of separation anxiety attack. He has been in his townhouse for 5 months and his room at his parent's house looks like he never left...

- Affection/Attention; I am a woman, and though an independent one, I have womanly needs. When we are together, he spends most of the time on the computer, watching TV, or running around doing errands of some kind. He doesn't believe in PDAs, and I could swear sometimes he doesn't believe in Private Displays of Affection! Unless he wants to have sex, which isn't often, he will rarely touch me. I, on the other hand, can't keep my hands off him and am always touching him in some way. When I do, he will either ignore me or walk away (not every time, but a lot of the time). I feel like I am just in the way.

Now, I understand that relationships change over time, that stress keeps people from doing their best in terms of pleasing their partners, and that men have different needs than women. I also want to mention that for the most part, he is very very sweet and caring. He tells me he loves me every day, he'd do anything for me if I were in any kind of trouble, he gets along great with my friends and parents, we are very happy together when we are together, he's extremely intelligent and almost too ambitious, he was an eagle scout, and is generally one of those do-gooder people. I just want to make sure I don't give all the negatives without mentioning some positives, because to be together for 3 years there has to be a reason! :)

I've asked him several times in the relationship if he thinks maybe he should be on his own to focus on school and work and then worry about a relationship in the future. I have always felt like I am just on the list of things he has to do, and that sometimes I am pretty close to the bottom of that list. Then again, he calls me every day at least once, drives back and forth to my house almost every weekend, has a lot of life changes going on, and clearly loves me very much.

Back to the original question: of the problems I've listed, are they just gender differences, or would I be valid in being upset about them? I can't help being upset, but I don't want to be giving him a hard time constantly if it's just something internalized that cannot be changed.

Sorry this is so long - thanks for reading...and any advice would be GREATLY appreciated. Thank you!!

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Well, at the risk of sounding harsh, whether it's a "guy thing" or not, I say

cut your losses and get out of this relationship.



Oprah had on an author recently, Greg Behrendt, who co-authored a

book called He's Just Not That Into You. This relationship sounds a lot

like many of the things he talked about.



I think you deserve better than what you are getting, but that's just

me.



Maybe it's time for an ultimatum, or at the very least a serious talk.



Listen to your gut, sweetie, I think it's already telling you what you

know you need to do!



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Ummmm, find a new guy. While I am sure this one is great, it doesn't sound to me like he is aware of you and your needs. You shouldn't have to beg for communication and affection. Somewhere out there is a guy who is willing to talk and hold your hand.
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this guy does not have the time, desire or interest. you are not his priority. and you are not going to change him. sorry to be blunt, but if YOU read your post dispassionately what would you really think? ..."ain't no mountain high enough" when a man really WANTS to be with a woman.
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Basically the only person you can change is yourself. The relationship is what it is. Do you love him enough to accept him as he is? Cause no matter how he might try to be different for you, he is what he is........ No changing that in any big way.

There are talkers and non-talkers and usually they are married to each other. Opposites truly do attract.

If accepting him for how he is would be "settling" for you, you need to walk.

If you are looking for a person to be all you want them to be, perhaps you need to rethink what a relationship is...........

Picking a partner for life if one of the very most important decisions you make during your lifetime. You should be crazy in love and you need to "want him" and only "him". You are not picking out a car...... although many people do know more about the car they pick that the partner they select...... This is passion, maddness, emotions, all those non-thinking type things that play very heavily in the mating ritual. and it is these items that help to keep you together too, as long as you are also grounded in similar values and goals........

When you find the right guy, you won't care what anyone else has to say, good or bad -- you will know you can do nothing else but.
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valerie wrote: Well, at the risk of sounding harsh, whether it's a "guy thing" or not, I say

cut your losses and get out of this relationship.



Oprah had on an author recently, Greg Behrendt, who co-authored a

book called He's Just Not That Into You. This relationship sounds a lot

like many of the things he talked about.



I think you deserve better than what you are getting, but that's just

me.



Maybe it's time for an ultimatum, or at the very least a serious talk.



Listen to your gut, sweetie, I think it's already telling you what you

know you need to do!



:-4


Thank you Valerie, I appreciate your input. Funny thing - I am very familiar with that book and was actually reading it in the bookstore while he was with me as a BIG hint that I was thinking that way.

I definitely think you are right about everything you said - I had a HUGE talk with him this past week and basically told him that I was unhappy, that my needs were not being met, and that I wanted him to make a decision about what he wants from me. He was very sweet and listened, apologized, took me home and made me feel wonderful.

By the end of the week, we hadn't discussed the weekend - and this weekend we did not see each other at all. He did his own thing at home and didn't mention getting together once. He has called constantly but I am too hurt and angry and confused right now to talk to him. Someone telling you that they are unhappy and need more attention - doesn't warrant ignoring them over the weekend. I really don't get him at all sometimes.

Sorry to babble even more, thanks again for your response!
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LilacDragon wrote: Ummmm, find a new guy. While I am sure this one is great, it doesn't sound to me like he is aware of you and your needs. You shouldn't have to beg for communication and affection. Somewhere out there is a guy who is willing to talk and hold your hand.


Thank you so much for reading and giving me your opinion - I think you are right...
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lady cop wrote: this guy does not have the time, desire or interest. you are not his priority. and you are not going to change him. sorry to be blunt, but if YOU read your post dispassionately what would you really think? ..."ain't no mountain high enough" when a man really WANTS to be with a woman.


No need to apologize for the bluntness, that was exactly what I was looking for. I really need the outside opinion sometimes because the people around me seem to say what I want to hear a lot of the time.

I wonder though, if he put his story up if you all would feel the same way? I never know if I am being objective enough in explaining the situation. I tend to exaggerate. I guess there's really no way to know though.

Thank you for your response, I appreciate it!
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SOJOURNER wrote: Basically the only person you can change is yourself. The relationship is what it is. Do you love him enough to accept him as he is? Cause no matter how he might try to be different for you, he is what he is........ No changing that in any big way.

There are talkers and non-talkers and usually they are married to each other. Opposites truly do attract.

If accepting him for how he is would be "settling" for you, you need to walk.

If you are looking for a person to be all you want them to be, perhaps you need to rethink what a relationship is...........

Picking a partner for life if one of the very most important decisions you make during your lifetime. You should be crazy in love and you need to "want him" and only "him". You are not picking out a car...... although many people do know more about the car they pick that the partner they select...... This is passion, maddness, emotions, all those non-thinking type things that play very heavily in the mating ritual. and it is these items that help to keep you together too, as long as you are also grounded in similar values and goals........

When you find the right guy, you won't care what anyone else has to say, good or bad -- you will know you can do nothing else but.


Thank you for the reply - I agree with what you said. Actually, I am crazy in love and I do want him and only him. The problem is how he feels about me, and how he conveys it. I don't want to be giving everything and he barely reciprocates. I know I can't change him, but I also know that he HAS to have the same feelings for me somewhere in there or he wouldn't be with me. I just want to SEE them every once in a while. Does that make sense? He has shown me before, he has been great in the past....that shows that he is ABLE to be that way. It's just hard to tell why it stopped and whether or not it was something that changed forever.

I don't want to make something simple be complicated but I really am set on him for so many reasons. He's a good hearted guy, family oriented and just overall honorable and sweet. My sister says that the honeymoon is over and he thinks he's done his work, and again, that "most guys" are like that.

I'm so confused and frustrated...

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SnoozeControl wrote: Warning, warning!

Seriously, his concern for mommy being upset is touching, but a big fat warning sign for you.

I don't think its a guy thing, I think its because he's immature. Put yourself in his position. What would cause you to act that way? I bet you wouldn't.

You sound like an intelligent, sensitive person. You don't need to put up with that kind of shabby treatment.


Thank you sweety, I appreciate your insightful comments. I think you're absolutely right. He is immature and not ready to be in this kind of relationship.

I am seeing the red flags all over the place.
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lady cop wrote: this guy does not have the time, desire or interest. you are not his priority. and you are not going to change him. sorry to be blunt, but if YOU read your post dispassionately what would you really think? ..."ain't no mountain high enough" when a man really WANTS to be with a woman.


You are right!!
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Print this post & hand it to him. Then talk about it.
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Guys are complex just like girls, so you should just do your best to understand aspects that you dont understand, just as he should, and if its a real problem then try and work it out, if possible. But if he ever really hits you (not just a little temper slap now (which I still think is out of order, unless he is defending himself), (I mean a punch), dump him immeadiatly and don't look back, cause guys that do that are no good, and they never ever will be, I know about this, I'm a guy.
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Galbally wrote: Guys are complex just like girls, so you should just do your best to understand aspects that you dont understand, just as he should, and if its a real problem then try and work it out, if possible. But if he ever really hits you (not just a little temper slap now (which I still think is out of order, unless he is defending himself), (I mean a punch), dump him immeadiatly and don't look back, cause guys that do that are no good, and they never ever will be, I know about this, I'm a guy.


Oh he's never and never would hit me, that wouldn't ever be a question. I would be out the door before he blinked an eye. That's not the issue here
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KittylovingBlond wrote: Thank you for the reply - I agree with what you said. Actually, I am crazy in love and I do want him and only him. The problem is how he feels about me, and how he conveys it. I don't want to be giving everything and he barely reciprocates. I know I can't change him, but I also know that he HAS to have the same feelings for me somewhere in there or he wouldn't be with me. I just want to SEE them every once in a while. Does that make sense? He has shown me before, he has been great in the past....that shows that he is ABLE to be that way. It's just hard to tell why it stopped and whether or not it was something that changed forever.

I don't want to make something simple be complicated but I really am set on him for so many reasons. He's a good hearted guy, family oriented and just overall honorable and sweet. My sister says that the honeymoon is over and he thinks he's done his work, and again, that "most guys" are like that.

I'm so confused and frustrated...

:-5


There is nothing simple about human relationships. :D

I understand that you are mad about the guy and I am sure that at some point in this relationship he was wonderful to you. And he may be family oriented - but it sounds like it is more "mommy oriented".

Just so you know what is out there - I have been with my husband for 10 years. He is in a warzone and hardly a day goes by when there is not a message on my computer from him telling me he loves me. No, things haven't always been great, but I can't think of a day when I went to bed not knowing that he loved me.

THAT is what you deserve.
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I have to agree with Val. Leave him. The way i would do it is; stop calling him. don't email, don't fax, sever all communication with him. See how long it takes for him to notice that you aren't around. a little sociologocal experiment.

now, this might not be easy. maybe you'll want some sort of closure.

with the rest. He doesn't seem to have the time or desire to have any sort of relaionship. With anyone, not just you.

the communication... from the view of just one guy, me.

I don't communicate well either. Now don't get me wrong, i'll talk to you til i'm blue in the face. But i won't get to anything that's really bothering me or important until it's almost too late.

But is sounds as tho his lack of talking is more of an effort thing or just lack of interest.

But before you do anything, drop him a couple of hints. Nothing too subtle(he is a guy after all). that you have plans some weekend with someone else. actually make plans with someone. see what he does. then put a hiatus on talking with him. Make him make a move. If nothing happens, you're better off without him.


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