I still remember my history classes in junior high and the teacher talking about the concern folks had of Kennedy being Catholic.
Folks seem less concerned with a Muslim mayor than a Jewish one in this case.
Although how a guy born in New York got the job last time is confusing. Do you guys not care where someone is from if he can do the job?
London Poised to Elect Muslim Mayor After 'Nasty' Campaign - NBC News
Opinion polls suggest that Sadiq Khan is the frontrunner in Thursday's election to replace New York-born Boris Johnson and take charge of transportation and strategic planning in one of the world's most diverse cities.
The moderate Muslim, who supports LGBT rights including gay marriage, is up to 20 percentage points ahead of main rival Zac Goldsmith, the son of a Jewish billionaire.
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flopstock;1495305 wrote: I still remember my history classes in junior high and the teacher talking about the concern folks had of Kennedy being Catholic.
Folks seem less concerned with a Muslim mayor than a Jewish one in this case.
Although how a guy born in New York got the job last time is confusing. Do you guys not care where someone is from if he can do the job?
London Poised to Elect Muslim Mayor After 'Nasty' Campaign - NBC News
Well, that IS a rather novel concept.
Folks seem less concerned with a Muslim mayor than a Jewish one in this case.
It may be more about the other guy being a Billionaire that his being Jewish, these days.
Just because the guy is rich doesn't mean he knows anything about politics. Unless his name is Trump.
Folks seem less concerned with a Muslim mayor than a Jewish one in this case.
Although how a guy born in New York got the job last time is confusing. Do you guys not care where someone is from if he can do the job?
London Poised to Elect Muslim Mayor After 'Nasty' Campaign - NBC News
Well, that IS a rather novel concept.
Folks seem less concerned with a Muslim mayor than a Jewish one in this case.
It may be more about the other guy being a Billionaire that his being Jewish, these days.
Just because the guy is rich doesn't mean he knows anything about politics. Unless his name is Trump.
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flopstock;1495305 wrote: I still remember my history classes in junior high and the teacher talking about the concern folks had of Kennedy being Catholic.
Folks seem less concerned with a Muslim mayor than a Jewish one in this case.
Although how a guy born in New York got the job last time is confusing. Do you guys not care where someone is from if he can do the job?
I didn't know Boris was born in the US, it wouldn't alter my opinion of him though. There is a lot more behind the label Jew and Muslim,Goldsmith is the son of a billionaire,Khan the son of a Busdriver. They are at opposite ends of the political range, one is a ultra rich right winger, the other more of a working class lefty.
I have no vote in this one, but I hope it is political views of the contenders that weigh heaviest in the mind of Londoners.
Folks seem less concerned with a Muslim mayor than a Jewish one in this case.
Although how a guy born in New York got the job last time is confusing. Do you guys not care where someone is from if he can do the job?
I didn't know Boris was born in the US, it wouldn't alter my opinion of him though. There is a lot more behind the label Jew and Muslim,Goldsmith is the son of a billionaire,Khan the son of a Busdriver. They are at opposite ends of the political range, one is a ultra rich right winger, the other more of a working class lefty.
I have no vote in this one, but I hope it is political views of the contenders that weigh heaviest in the mind of Londoners.
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I think it's less to do with whether either is Jewish or Muslim and more to do with peoples perception of each as profiled in the media. Zac Goldsmith has done himself no favours by labelling Sadiq Kahn as a "friend of the terrorists". Oddly enough Goldsmith was found to have shared the same platform as the ones Kahn had been accused of.
The Right has done all it can to sully Kahn's image. I think we are beginning to suss out the trashy tabloids for what they are and are finding other, more reliable sources for our information. The Sun can go to Hell. The Mail is already there.
The Right has done all it can to sully Kahn's image. I think we are beginning to suss out the trashy tabloids for what they are and are finding other, more reliable sources for our information. The Sun can go to Hell. The Mail is already there.
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flopstock;1495305 wrote: I still remember my history classes in junior high and the teacher talking about the concern folks had of Kennedy being Catholic. Well, I remember that too, except that I was in college (tho' not quite old enough to vote), and I would substitute the word "morons" for "folks".
I didn't know ANYONE - of any faith - who expressed any such concern. Some of them certainly might have voted against JFK for other, political reasons. It was a very close election.
I didn't know ANYONE - of any faith - who expressed any such concern. Some of them certainly might have voted against JFK for other, political reasons. It was a very close election.
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Mark Aspam;1495313 wrote: Well, I remember that too, except that I was in college (tho' not quite old enough to vote), and I would substitute the word "morons" for "folks".
I didn't know ANYONE - of any faith - who had any such concern. Some of them certainly might have voted against JFK for other, political reasons. It was a very close election.
Well, I lived in South Florida back then, and there were a number of Southern Baptists types who spent a lot of time fretting over his possible "Mixed Loyalties"
I also had a number of Catholic friends who were excited about the idea of a Catholic in the White House.
The John Birchers also had a lot to say about him.
I wasn't old enough to vote, but volunteered in the local Democratic office. It was my first venture into political activity. I remember that a lot of the local Democrats were not entirely enthusiastic about him being the Democratic candidate. They were the seedlings of the Southern Democrat movement that later spawned the George Wallace campaign.
I didn't know ANYONE - of any faith - who had any such concern. Some of them certainly might have voted against JFK for other, political reasons. It was a very close election.
Well, I lived in South Florida back then, and there were a number of Southern Baptists types who spent a lot of time fretting over his possible "Mixed Loyalties"
I also had a number of Catholic friends who were excited about the idea of a Catholic in the White House.
The John Birchers also had a lot to say about him.
I wasn't old enough to vote, but volunteered in the local Democratic office. It was my first venture into political activity. I remember that a lot of the local Democrats were not entirely enthusiastic about him being the Democratic candidate. They were the seedlings of the Southern Democrat movement that later spawned the George Wallace campaign.
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It's the media stirring up the religious aspect imo unless sadiq khan was wanting to introduce sharia law most londoners I suspect don't really care what religion eithger of them are.
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LarsMac;1495315 wrote: Well, I lived in South Florida back then, and there were a number of Southern Baptists types who spent a lot of time fretting over his possible "Mixed Loyalties"...They were the seedlings of the Southern Democrat movement that later spawned the George Wallace campaign.And of course, we know how well Wallace did - or didn't.
This morning my wife was watching something on the internet - I was busy with other concerns and got only a brief glimpse - that had two Brits discussing the "Muslim threat" to GB - it was probably in connection with the topic of this thread.
This morning my wife was watching something on the internet - I was busy with other concerns and got only a brief glimpse - that had two Brits discussing the "Muslim threat" to GB - it was probably in connection with the topic of this thread.
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That's it - let's kick Boris out & send him to stand for election as American Pres - he does, after all, qualify - and it would keep him out of our hair - and he's mad enough to gain credibility over there.
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FourPart;1495329 wrote: That's it - let's kick Boris out & send him to stand for election as American Pres - he does, after all, qualify - and it would keep him out of our hair - and he's mad enough to gain credibility over there.
If he can beat The Donald, I'm game.
If he can beat The Donald, I'm game.
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Many Londoners remember Zac Goldsmith's deplorable litigious Etonian bully of a father James who had a whole stack of unattractive ideas, ties with “the unacceptable face of capitalism (to quote Ted Heath), and bred wherever he was allowed entrance.
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So even though the media is playing up the religion factor, that doesn 't matter to most voters?
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flopstock;1495418 wrote: So even though the media is playing up the religion factor, that doesn 't matter to most voters?In Northern Ireland, if you're a Roman Catholic voter you absolutely will not vote for an Orangeman, how could you. If you're Protestant there's no way you'd vote for a Fenian.
Elsewhere in Great Britain, honestly, no. Whether a candidate for any office here is self-declared proud-to-be-atheist, or church-going, or practices yoga, it's only a very few fringe voters who'd decide on that basis and they're just the obsessed sort who would vote prejudice over talent every time.
Scotland and Wales may differ in details, especially in Glasgow where your vote is dictated by football allegiance.
Zac Goldsmith's being a Jew is a trivial aspect for all but a few voters when deciding to vote or not to vote for him, what matters is his policies and his personal history. When I think Zac Goldsmith, which isn't often, I think privileged wealth.
Sadiq Khan's being a Muslim is an interesting, more apparent, aspect of his political presence but it's not a deciding factor for all but a few voters when deciding to vote or not to vote for him. He has rebel written all through him and I'd expect there's a higher proportion of London Muslims who disapprove of him than non-Muslims on an Islamic basis, but those who choose because he's a Muslim are still small minorities. He doesn't represent Muslims, he represents the non-privileged non-wealthy regardless of their religion.
Elsewhere in Great Britain, honestly, no. Whether a candidate for any office here is self-declared proud-to-be-atheist, or church-going, or practices yoga, it's only a very few fringe voters who'd decide on that basis and they're just the obsessed sort who would vote prejudice over talent every time.
Scotland and Wales may differ in details, especially in Glasgow where your vote is dictated by football allegiance.
Zac Goldsmith's being a Jew is a trivial aspect for all but a few voters when deciding to vote or not to vote for him, what matters is his policies and his personal history. When I think Zac Goldsmith, which isn't often, I think privileged wealth.
Sadiq Khan's being a Muslim is an interesting, more apparent, aspect of his political presence but it's not a deciding factor for all but a few voters when deciding to vote or not to vote for him. He has rebel written all through him and I'd expect there's a higher proportion of London Muslims who disapprove of him than non-Muslims on an Islamic basis, but those who choose because he's a Muslim are still small minorities. He doesn't represent Muslims, he represents the non-privileged non-wealthy regardless of their religion.
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spot;1495424 wrote: Scotland and Wales may differ in details, especially in Glasgow where your vote is dictated by football allegiance.
And that allegiance based on religion ?
And that allegiance based on religion ?
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Bruv;1495433 wrote: And that allegiance based on religion ?
For some, it is.
For some, it is.
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LarsMac;1495435 wrote: For some, it is.
OK OK I got it the first time.........Rangers and Celtic are infamously Protestant and Catholic.
OK OK I got it the first time.........Rangers and Celtic are infamously Protestant and Catholic.
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Bruv;1495437 wrote: OK OK I got it the first time.........Rangers and Celtic are infamously Protestant and Catholic.
And Hibs and Hearts in the other big city are of the same divide
And Hibs and Hearts in the other big city are of the same divide
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It's why every aspiring politician has to tell the electorate what his favorite football team is so he'll get votes?
David Cameron blames 'brain fade' for getting his football team wrong | Politics | The Guardian
David Cameron blames 'brain fade' for getting his football team wrong | Politics | The Guardian
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spot;1495448 wrote: It's why every aspiring politician has to tell the electorate what his favorite football team is so he'll get votes?
David Cameron blames 'brain fade' for getting his football team wrong | Politics | The Guardian
No.....he is just a knob.
David Cameron blames 'brain fade' for getting his football team wrong | Politics | The Guardian
No.....he is just a knob.
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This campaign has been a disgrace, especially from the Tory side, deliberately trying to turn everything into a Race / Religion issue. The idea of accusing Corbyn of being a Racist is laughable. He's probably the only Politician to have been arrested for being ANTI-Racist, whilst protesting, back in the Anti-Apartheid days.
The whole anti-semmite thing was, quite rightly, nipped in the bud by imposing suspensions pending investigation, yet it was a bone the Tories would not let go of, despite it having absolutely nothing to do with the suitability of the candidate.
The whole anti-semmite thing was, quite rightly, nipped in the bud by imposing suspensions pending investigation, yet it was a bone the Tories would not let go of, despite it having absolutely nothing to do with the suitability of the candidate.
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It's a tactic that seems to have backfired on them. The trouble with racists like goldsmith is they think everyone else is one as well.
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For anyone wondering, Sadiq Khan has now been Mayor of London since 2016 and doing a fine job as far as I can tell. He keeps getting boosts to his ego and the likelihood of further re-election by being attacked by President Trump. We have a long-standing expression in England for such futile windbagging: "The phrase 'savaged by a dead sheep' is a humorous expression used to describe a weak or ineffective attack, originally coined by Denis Healey to describe Geoffrey Howe's debating style."
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Should anyone wish to recognize the most improbable blowback on current White House practice, New York will today vote a Ugandan Asian Muslim aged 34 into office as city mayor. This on a platform declaring the city should enable free Internet and urban bus transport to counter the dreadful rises in the cost of living since King Donny crowned himself the world's favorite stand-up. I wish the new mayor every success. Donny has been reduced to instructing his faithful to vote for the appallingly compromised one-time Democrat Governor Andrew Cuomo, whose many sins I have forgotten and refuse to look up. Except I just checked - he is, to the year, twice Zohran Mamdani's age but still more than ten years younger than the President who will be 80! in June.
So, Sadiq Khan in London and Zohran Mamdani in New York? Perhaps they've started a trend based on annoying the chap in the White House.
Zohran Mamdani supports Arsenal.
Trump had earlier posted on social media that if Mamdani was elected “it is highly unlikely that I will be contributing Federal Funds, other than the very minimum as required”. The president repeatedly called Mamdani a “communist” and urged voters to back Andrew Cuomo, who’s running as an independent, for mayor.
“The MAGA movement’s embrace of Andrew Cuomo is reflective of Donald Trump’s understanding that this would be the best mayor for him – not the best mayor for New York City, not the best mayor for New Yorkers, but the best mayor for Donald Trump and his administration,” Mamdani said at the campaign event.
“This funding is not something that Donald Trump is giving us here in New York City,” Mamdani added. “This is something that we are, in fact, owed in New York.”
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So, Sadiq Khan in London and Zohran Mamdani in New York? Perhaps they've started a trend based on annoying the chap in the White House.
London Mayor Sadiq Khan has been informally guiding Zohran Mamdani, the socialist candidate in New York’s mayoral race, as he attempts to secure victory this November.
Last month, Mamdani sent shockwaves through the US political establishment after defeating former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo in the Democratic primary contest.
According to Times, Khan and Mamdani have been in direct contact, with the pair exchanging messages and speaking by phone. People close to the London mayor have also been liaising with Mamdani’s campaign team remotely.
Officials familiar with the discussions suggest that Khan has encouraged Mamdani to reposition himself closer to the centre to broaden his voter base and keep centrist Democrats on side.
Mamdani’s political rise is reminiscent of Khan’s own path to the mayoralty, where he initially won Labour’s nomination by outflanking rivals from the left, before shifting toward the centre to beat Conservative opponent Zac Goldsmith in 2016.
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Zohran Mamdani supports Arsenal.
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It needs expansion:
Trump’s comments echo those broadcast on Sunday during his appearance on CBS’s 60 minutes, in which he said: “It’s gonna be hard for me as the president to give a lot of money to New York, because if you have a communist running New York, all you’re doing is wasting the money you’re sending there.”
The president does not directly determine how much money any city receives from the federal government; appropriation is the constitutional function of Congress. Control over how money is spent – or withheld in acts of impoundment, which are forbidden under federal law – has become a point of increasing legal contention.
The Trump administration is well on its way toward making good on this threat even before the votes have been counted. The White House began sparring with the state over New York’s plan to enforce congestion pricing for car traffic earlier this year, which Trump revisited in a separate Truth Social post on Monday evening. The White House withheld $18bn for a tunnel project as the government shutdown started. A federal judge ordered the federal government to reverse the rescission about $34m in counterterrorism funding for the New York City, ruling the move as “arbitrary, capricious and a blatant violation of the law”.
Trump’s post described a vote for Mamdani’s fellow candidate Republican mayoral nominee Curtis Sliwa as “a vote for Mamdani” and alluded to a preference for the independent candidate, former New York governor Andrew Cuomo.
“I would much rather see a Democrat, who has had a Record of Success, WIN, than a Communist with no experience and a Record of COMPLETE AND TOTAL FAILURE,” Trump wrote.
Cuomo, who has been a lifelong Democrat but ran in this year’s mayoral race as an independent to bypass the Democratic primary, repeated the president’s line moments after the post while speaking with 77WABC radio.
“Now it’s gonna be up to the Republicans, and I hope they listen to the president,” he said.
In an interview on Fox News later, Cuomo said: “We need a mayor who can stand up to Donald Trump.” He repeated Trump’s threat to stop funding the city and send in the national guard. “Trump will go through Mamdani like a hot knife through butter,” Cuomo said.
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And this:
I'm at a loss there. What possible function has any elected official regarding a mass murder or a terrorist attack? Where's the link? Absolutely anything done or said by any elected official regarding a mass murder or a terrorist attack is opportunistic self promotion. It's heinously amoral, it should bar whoever does it from further public service. It's none of their business. A statement or action from the police or a cleric, that's within their competence. Not a mayor. A mayor belongs behind a desk making systems work. Regarding a mass murder or a terrorist attack, any elected official no more than a member of the public.
“Never ran anything,” former New York state governor Andrew Cuomo charged, as he dissed his opponent on Fox News. “There’s no time for on-the-job training when any given morning, God forbid, you could have a mass murder or a terrorist attack.”
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I'm at a loss there. What possible function has any elected official regarding a mass murder or a terrorist attack? Where's the link? Absolutely anything done or said by any elected official regarding a mass murder or a terrorist attack is opportunistic self promotion. It's heinously amoral, it should bar whoever does it from further public service. It's none of their business. A statement or action from the police or a cleric, that's within their competence. Not a mayor. A mayor belongs behind a desk making systems work. Regarding a mass murder or a terrorist attack, any elected official no more than a member of the public.
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