The Book of Ghosts

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:45 pm

[Mod edit.

This is a spin-off from the Ghosts thread. It got prety far off topic, and it seemed logical to take the discussion to its own thread.]

I've seen plenty of Ghosts and I know what they are. They are not human. They are demonic, fallen angels. They work for satan and they are at war with God. Proof? If you command a ghost to leave in the name of Jesus Christ it will flee. In the name of buddha, mohammad, hindu, it will laugh. Jesus Christ is the only one who can help you. All of the others are still in the grave and were just men. Aliens too. They are also demonic. I was attacked by these things when I was younger after watching UFO videos. In the middle of sleeping, I felt a presence standing over me. It grabbed my arms and I knew it was demonic. I resisted (although I was sleeping) and felt pain in my arms from it grabbing me and the struggle. When I woke up, my arms were tired and hurting. I began to see bruises forming on the upper part of my arm, about midway between my wrists and elbos. I showed my wife and she saw them. There have been studies done on UFO abductions and in every instance where the name of Jesus Christ was invoked, the abduction stopped IMMEDIATELY. There truly is a spirit world and it's exactly as the Bible says.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:49 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1514499 wrote: I've seen plenty of Ghosts and I know what they are. They are not human. They are demonic, fallen angels. They work for satan and they are at war with God. Proof? If you command a ghost to leave in the name of Jesus Christ it will flee. In the name of buddha, mohammad, hindu, it will laugh. Jesus Christ is the only one who can help you. All of the others are still in the grave and were just men. Aliens too. They are also demonic. I was attacked by these things when I was younger after watching UFO videos. In the middle of sleeping, I felt a presence standing over me. It grabbed my arms and I knew it was demonic. I resisted (although I was sleeping) and felt pain in my arms from it grabbing me and the struggle. When I woke up, my arms were tired and hurting. I began to see bruises forming on the upper part of my arm, about midway between my wrists and elbos. I showed my wife and she saw them. There have been studies done on UFO abductions and in every instance where the name of Jesus Christ was invoked, the abduction stopped IMMEDIATELY. There truly is a spirit world and it's exactly as the Bible says.Haha! We should have known this was coming.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:13 am

Clodhopper;1514504 wrote: I think you had a bad dream and did it to yourself .

It wasn't physically possible for me to squeeze my own arms in those places midway between my writs and elbows and with enough force to leave bruises. Impossible.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:23 am

xfrodobagginsx;1514540 wrote: It wasn't physically possible for me to squeeze my own arms in those places midway between my writs and elbows and with enough force to leave bruises. Impossible.

Rough sex? Perhaps your lover or wife did it.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:11 pm

Ahso!;1514543 wrote: Rough sex? Perhaps your lover or wife did it.

My wife was facing the wall in a pitch black room, upstairs where there was no one else in the room. I was on the outside of the bed and there was no way anyone else did it. My wife was to my right and the person who grabbed me was on my left standing next to the bed. This is only 1 of many times I've been attacked in my sleep by demonic creatures. It has a lot to do with the fact that I share the Gospel. satan doesn't want me doing it. I could give you 100 stories at least. The point is that God is real and the devil is real. When people die without Christ, they have no protection from satan.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:32 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1514585 wrote: My wife was facing the wall in a pitch black room, upstairs where there was no one else in the room. I was on the outside of the bed and there was no way anyone else did it. My wife was to my right and the person who grabbed me was on my left standing next to the bed. This is only 1 of many times I've been attacked in my sleep by demonic creatures. It has a lot to do with the fact that I share the Gospel. satan doesn't want me doing it. I could give you 100 stories at least. The point is that God is real and the devil is real. When people die without Christ, they have no protection from satan.So this is what you tell your wife when she asks you what the marks are from. You can be honest with us, we won't tell - promise. I notice you conveniently left your lover out of the post. Not to say he/she did it. For all we know you might be self-abusing.

We're here to help.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:27 am

Ahso!;1514588 wrote: So this is what you tell your wife when she asks you what the marks are from. You can be honest with us, we won't tell - promise. I notice you conveniently left your lover out of the post. Not to say he/she did it. For all we know you might be self-abusing.

We're here to help.
Come on, frodo, open up.

Those of us based in reality know there's no such thing as demons because we know there is no spiritual world, which allows us to focus on and examine what's actually happening with or to you.

Here are options or possibilities of what I've come up with (my list may not be complete, but it's all I can think of at the moment, so if anyone else has any reality-based ideas please add them):

1) you're making these marks yourself either intentionally or not.

2) someone else is doing this to you with or without your consent

3) you have a medical condition that you may want to consider having a professional look into

4) you're making it all up

Which one is closest, frodo?

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:47 pm

Ahso!;1514588 wrote: So this is what you tell your wife when she asks you what the marks are from. You can be honest with us, we won't tell - promise. I notice you conveniently left your lover out of the post. Not to say he/she did it. For all we know you might be self-abusing.

We're here to help.

It's not even possible that I could have done it to myself. It was demonic. I began seeking God as a result.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:30 pm

Demonic beatings?.......something's in the holy water today.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:12 am

xfrodobagginsx;1514686 wrote: It's not even possible that I could have done it to myself. It was demonic. I began seeking God as a result.That's an interesting reply, however, let's start with the medical possibility first. Demonic or not, have you at least had the marks looked at by a medical doctor for possible treatment and relief? After all, you did begin getting these marks before you turned to God, so I assume seeking medical care was your first reaction? Only makes sense, right?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:15 am

magentaflame;1514689 wrote: Demonic beatings?.......something's in the holy water today.He could have ingested the little demon bugger. I recall hearing about such happenings when I was a born-again Christian. They come out with some pretty wild stuff.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:23 am

Ahso!;1514691 wrote: That's an interesting reply, however, let's start with the medical possibility first. Demonic or not, have you at least had the marks looked at by a medical doctor for possible treatment and relief? After all, you did begin getting these marks before you turned to God, so I assume seeking medical care was your first reaction? Only makes sense, right?

They were bruises in the exact areas where I felt the demonic creature grab me on my arms and I couldn't physically have done it to myself whether in my sleep or not. I don't need a doctor to tell me what happened. I was a Christian at the time but I was not where I needed to be. I know a lot of other people who have had similar experiences. I have had other experiences with them where they have manipulated objects, awakened me in my sleep, seen them, had out of body experiences, ect. The point is that this stuff is real, but the source is satan. In every instance where I have been attacked by these creatures, they reacted violently to rebuking them in the name of Jesus Christ. They leave and the attack stops. God is real. The Bible is true.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:12 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1514700 wrote: They were bruises in the exact areas where I felt the demonic creature grab me on my arms and I couldn't physically have done it to myself whether in my sleep or not. I don't need a doctor to tell me what happened. I was a Christian at the time but I was not where I needed to be. I know a lot of other people who have had similar experiences. I have had other experiences with them where they have manipulated objects, awakened me in my sleep, seen them, had out of body experiences, ect. The point is that this stuff is real, but the source is satan. In every instance where I have been attacked by these creatures, they reacted violently to rebuking them in the name of Jesus Christ. They leave and the attack stops. God is real. The Bible is true.You're certain the bruising is not being caused by any of the conditions in either of the following two links?

7 Health Conditions That Cause Strange Bruising And Bleeding, From Scurvy To Aging

https://www.healthline.com/symptom/bruises-easily

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:44 pm

The Bible is not an a history book.. It is a piece of religious work.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:58 pm

Ted;1514736 wrote: The Bible is not an historical writing. It is a piece of religious work.

It's a piece of literature altered and changed to suit whichever King was in charge at the time.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:45 pm

Ted;1514736 wrote: The Bible is not an a history book.. It is a piece of religious work.

The Bible IS a history book. It's the History of the Jewish race, how it came to be and it's history of the lineage of the Messiah and His works, followers, message, ect.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:41 pm

Sorry but the book is not a history book. Read literally it presents absurdities. At the crucifixion the saints came out of their graves and walked around in Jerusalem!!!!! That is totally unbelievable. Same with the sun standing syill for 24 hours while Joshua finished his destruction of innocent people. Talking snakes!!! These and many others are simply ludicrous. This does not happen and the church if it maintains such will die. Most of the Bible is "Midrash". and has to be read as such. The four gospels contain the parables of Jesus as well as the parables about Jesus. If the saints coming out of t heir graves is historically accurate why is it not in the history books. That would be an incredible story to write about.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:49 pm

Betty in many ways you are correct. However let's not lose track of the wisdom therein. Yes the book has been redacted, added to and and subtract from. The ancient manuscriips were also copied and recopied by humans and so there is no doubt that things changed over time.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:01 pm

Ted;1514748 wrote: Sorry but the book is not a history book. Read literally it presents absurdities. At the crucifixion the saints came out of their graves and walked around in Jerusalem!!!!! That is totally unbelievable. Same with the sun standing syill for 24 hours while Joshua finished his destruction of innocent people. Talking snakes!!! These and many others are simply ludicrous. This does not happen and the church if it maintains such will die. Most of the Bible is "Midrash". and has to be read as such. The four gospels contain the parables of Jesus as well as the parables about Jesus. If the saints coming out of t heir graves is historically accurate why is it not in the history books. That would be an incredible story to write about.

But it IS a history book. You just don't believe the history that's written in it. I do believe it. Question if God is able to create the whole earth out of nothing, don't you think He's strong enough to make the sun stand still? Make the saints come out of the graves at the Crucifixion? Make a Donkey talk? The Bible is not Midrash. You are kidding yourself. I have seen miracles from God in my own life. Were THEY Midrash too?

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:13 pm

Xfrod I'm not denying that miracles do seem to happen. I simply don't believe God works that way. Oh yes it is not history. It is midrash. It;s not even reasonable to believe that.. I do think you are making God in your own image and you have made God into a being with a multiple personality disorder. Jesus was all about love and the kingdom and not the carrot and stick man.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:58 pm

Ted;1514780 wrote: Xfrod I'm not denying that miracles do seem to happen. I simply don't believe God works that way. Oh yes it is not history. It is midrash. It;s not even reasonable to believe that.. I do think you are making God in your own image and you have made God into a being with a multiple personality disorder. Jesus was all about love and the kingdom and not the carrot and stick man.

Well, I've seen Him work that way and it IS history. It's not Midrash. It's not reasonable to think that God could create all things out of nothing, but He can't do the other things recorded in the Bible. I think you are making God in YOUR image because you don't believe what's actually written in the Bible. Jesus was about love, but He was also about judgement. Read the Bible. It means what it says and says what it means.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:39 pm

Xfrod if you want to believe it that way go for it. I'm busy following in the footsteps of Jesus. Historian Bart Ehrmann started out as a fundamentalist but that drove him to declare that he had become an atheist then leter he decided he was an agnostic.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:14 am

Betty Boop;1514738 wrote: It's a piece of literature altered and changed to suit whichever King was in charge at the time.
If that's true then why do all the prophecies fit together as they do hundreds of them?

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:01 pm

If you look at the prophets you will find that the whole of the life of the historical Jesus comes right out of the OT. "That the scriptures be fulfilled. Thus it doesn't matter where the historical Jesus was really born but the OT predicted he would be born in Bethlehem when in fact he was born in Nazareth. "That the prophecy be fulfilled." It seems to me that the desire to have the Bible literally true is a result of a lack of trust in God. It is like making the Bible into a contract that if broken can be tested in a court.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:09 pm

Ted;1514836 wrote: If you look at the prophets you will find that the whole of the life of the historical Jesus comes right out of the OT. "That the scriptures be fulfilled. Thus it doesn't matter where the historical Jesus was really born but the OT predicted he would be born in Bethlehem when in fact he was born in Nazareth. "That the prophecy be fulfilled." It seems to me that the desire to have the Bible literally true is a result of a lack of trust in God. It is like making the Bible into a contract that if broken can be tested in a court.

Jesus Himself quoted the OT as authoritatively God's word. The eyewitnesses say that these things did happen as the OT predicted and there are many authors. They were the direct followers of Christ. There are hundreds of prophecies in the OT that could not have been coincidence.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:39 pm

Many of those prophesies were written in hind sight. "That the prophesies may be fulfilled". Translation error "A version shall conceive" is incorrect It does read a Maiden has conceived and maiden has nothing whatsoever to do with sexuality. It is a young girl. Prophesies were written about the time of writing not about some distant event that will happen.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:05 pm

Ted;1514866 wrote: Many of those prophesies were written in hind sight. "That the prophesies may be fulfilled". Translation error "A version shall conceive" is incorrect It does read a Maiden has conceived and maiden has nothing whatsoever to do with sexuality. It is a young girl. Prophesies were written about the time of writing not about some distant event that will happen.

They were written after they were fulfilled. That term for virgin can mean virgin or it can mean young maiden. Immanuel literally means "God with us". How can Jesus be God if He wasn't conceived of the Holy Ghost as the NT says? You are saying that she had sex before she was married and yet the baby is a sign from God?

A VIRGIN SHALL CONCEIVE AND BEAR A SON

All these translators disagree with you:

Verse (Click for Chapter)

New International Version

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

New Living Translation

All right then, the Lord himself will give you the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means 'God is with us').

English Standard Version

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

New American Standard Bible

"Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.

King James Bible

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Holman Christian Standard Bible

Therefore, the Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive, have a son, and name him Immanuel.

International Standard Version

"Therefore the LORD himself will give you a sign. Watch! The virgin is conceiving a child, and will give birth to a son, and his name will be called Immanuel.

NET Bible

For this reason the sovereign master himself will give you a confirming sign. Look, this young woman is about to conceive and will give birth to a son. You, young woman, will name him Immanuel.

New Heart English Bible

Therefore the LORD himself will give you a sign. Look, the virgin will conceive, and bear a son, and will name him Immanuel.

GOD'S WORD® Translation

So the Lord himself will give you this sign: A virgin will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and she will name him Immanuel [God Is With Us].

JPS Tanakh 1917

Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

New American Standard 1977

“Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.

Jubilee Bible 2000

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son and shall call his name Immanuel.

King James 2000 Bible

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

American King James Version

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

American Standard Version

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Douay-Rheims Bible

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel.

Darby Bible Translation

Therefore will the Lord himself give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and shall bring forth a son, and call his name Immanuel.

English Revised Version

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Webster's Bible Translation

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

World English Bible

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin will conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Young's Literal Translation

Therefore the Lord Himself giveth to you a sign, Lo, the Virgin is conceiving, And is bringing forth a son, And hath called his name Immanuel,

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:08 am

I dont understand.

You say that you were attacked because you spread the gospel......but then you say you sort god as a response to being attacked.

Which is it?

And if you sought god as a response to the attack ..... why would a demon drive you toward god?

And...... why arent athiests attacked by demons.?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:01 am

I wouldn't expect an answer, not a truthful one anyway. This is obviously frodo's personal bs story on his Christianity. It's no more real than Pahu's science or the other member's being raised from the dead or the other member's biblical intellect or the one who's claiming a healing of an illness. They're all exaggerations at a minimum and most likely outright lies.

Christians don't have to take questions when witnessing to each other (nor do the listeners have the capacity to think of critical questions to ask) so they can just endlessly bs one another. That's how they practice their spiel.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Thu Nov 23, 2017 5:54 pm

magentaflame;1514873 wrote: I dont understand.

You say that you were attacked because you spread the gospel......but then you say you sort god as a response to being attacked.

Which is it?

And if you sought god as a response to the attack ..... why would a demon drive you toward god?

And...... why arent athiests attacked by demons.?

I have been attacked very much for spreading the Gospel by satan because he is at war with God and wants to convince people not to accept Jesus Christ's free gift of salvation. Yes, when I call out to God for help, He sends help. That is true. I have been attacked in many different ways. One way was that the demons have tried to smother me to death in my sleep. As it was smothering me, I called out for God to help me in my mind and I felt something knock it off me and I was able to breathe. That is one of many examples. Why aren't atheists attacked by demons? Because they are doing exactly what satan wants them to. They are believing a lie and satan likes that because he wants them to go to hell. There are times when they do get attacked in other ways that that person doesn't realize is demonic.

Post by **Betty Boop** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:49 am

xfrodobagginsx;1514902 wrote: I have been attacked very much for spreading the Gospel by satan because he is at war with God and wants to convince people not to accept Jesus Christ's free gift of salvation. Yes, when I call out to God for help, He sends help. That is true. I have been attacked in many different ways. One way was that the demons have tried to smother me to death in my sleep. As it was smothering me, I called out for God to help me in my mind and I felt something knock it off me and I was able to breathe. That is one of many examples. Why aren't atheists attacked by demons? Because they are doing exactly what satan wants them to. They are believing a lie and satan likes that because he wants them to go to hell. There are times when they do get attacked in other ways that that person doesn't realize is demonic.

See, it's all about words and their meanings. Within the spiritual movement all the above would be interpreted as you having quite a dark energy, maybe even an attachment, which in turn attracts dark spirits to you who need rescuing. You call upon God to help you rid yourself of Demons, spirit workers would call upon their Guides to help move this energy from you and send them on to rest in peace. You're either sensitive to this sort of thing or you aren't and there is no Heaven and no Hell to threaten people with.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:49 am

But it's more likely either a total fib or perhaps a panic attack.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:36 pm

Ahso!;1514938 wrote: But it's more likely either a total fib or perhaps a panic attack.

The human imagination is a vast and mysterious place.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:58 pm

LarsMac;1514942 wrote: The human imagination is a vast and mysterious place.The mind is not mysterious at all. Complex, yes - mysterious, no! We only do what we believe will benefit us. That's the total sum game. Frodo is posting all this nonsense either for attention, or to sell snake oil (his personal bs story). Panic attack or not, the fact that he has never sought expert advise means he's most likely lying through and through. The more he tells the story the more he thinks he's refining it.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 2:55 pm

Ahso!;1514947 wrote: The mind is not mysterious at all. Complex, yes - mysterious, no! We only do what we believe will benefit us. That's the total sum game. Frodo is posting all this nonsense either for attention, or to sell snake oil (his personal bs story). Panic attack or not, the fact that he has never sought expert advise means he's most likely lying through and through. The more he tells the story the more he thinks he's refining it.

I did not say mind.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:11 pm

LarsMac;1514958 wrote: I did not say mind.

Give me a break, ffs. Imagination is in the mind, or, brain. Equivocating again.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 3:16 pm

Ahso!;1514962 wrote: Give me a break, ffs. Imagination is in the mind, or, brain. Equivocating again.

Dude! Chill.

(I don't think I have ever actually uttered that before, but it seemed appropriate, here. )

But to be perfectly pedantic, the imagination is a product of the mind.

A human mind can come up with a lot of fascinating stuff when imagination is allowed to free-flow.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:00 pm

LarsMac;1514964 wrote: Dude! Chill.

(I don't think I have ever actually uttered that before, but it seemed appropriate, here. )

But to be perfectly pedantic, the imagination is a product of the mind.

A human mind can come up with a lot of fascinating stuff when imagination is allowed to free-flow.Funny! You're the equivocator.

Yes, the mind can contrive imagination, however, for the vast majority of us who are lucid, those episodes are temporary and distinguishable. Frodo either is or isn't lucid, but I think he is by some of his posts which is another reason I expect he's lying.

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:20 pm

Ahso!;1514965 wrote: Funny! You're the equivocator.

Yes, the mind can contrive imagination, however, for the vast majority of us who are lucid, those episodes are temporary and distinguishable. Frodo either is or isn't lucid, but I think he is by some of his posts which is another reason I expect he's lying.

I have to ask.

Do you ever just sit back and let your imagination run free?

I suppose not. I think that you and Frodo are far more alike than either of you would like to admit.

Dealing with all of those boundaries must get tiresome.

I'm not saying that I don't have any, but for the most part, mine are within the realm of the physical world.

But, that may be a subject for an entirely different thread.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:43 pm

LarsMac;1514967 wrote: I have to ask.

Do you ever just sit back and let your imagination run free?

I suppose not. I think that you and Frodo are far more alike than either of you would like to admit.

Dealing with all of those boundaries must get tiresome.

I'm not saying that I don't have any, but for the most part, mine are within the realm of the physical world.

But, that may be a subject for an entirely different thread.

Priceless!

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 4:47 pm

Ahso!;1514968 wrote: Priceless!

I imagined that you would say something like that.

:yh_giggle

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:08 pm

Betty Boop;1514921 wrote: See, it's all about words and their meanings. Within the spiritual movement all the above would be interpreted as you having quite a dark energy, maybe even an attachment, which in turn attracts dark spirits to you who need rescuing. You call upon God to help you rid yourself of Demons, spirit workers would call upon their Guides to help move this energy from you and send them on to rest in peace. You're either sensitive to this sort of thing or you aren't and there is no Heaven and no Hell to threaten people with.

Which mysteriously only is thwarted by the name and blood of Jesus Christ? Yes, there is a heaven and a hell, not only is it Biblical, but Jesus Christ has gave me a vision of the road to hell. I saw a hole in the earth, He was holding me by my legs and I was looking down into it. Demons were coming out to grab me and put me in hell, but He would pull me out of the way and dodge them at the last second. Those things are the enemies of God. I have worked with exorcists who have confronted these monsters and they speak out of the mouths of their victims. They have talked about their struggles with the Lord and His angels. Had I not seen these things myself and had my own struggles, it might be hard for me to believe it myself. But I have seen it and understand what it is. The Power of Christ is the only thing that can defeat satan and his demons.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 1:27 pm

Ahso!;1514947 wrote: The mind is not mysterious at all. Complex, yes - mysterious, no! We only do what we believe will benefit us. That's the total sum game. Frodo is posting all this nonsense either for attention, or to sell snake oil (his personal bs story). Panic attack or not, the fact that he has never sought expert advise means he's most likely lying through and through. The more he tells the story the more he thinks he's refining it.

Not everything that happens to you is explained in the physical. The mind can't perform miracles. I am not posting for attention, trust me, if I didn't believe this stuff I would probably be playing Candy Crush on Facebook or Maybe Words With Friends or something. I don't come here because I think I'm gonna be popular. I have had plenty of expert advice from people who have helped me more than you can understand. They understand where I am coming from and they know WHO can help me and has helped me.

Mark Aspam · Post by **Mark Aspam** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:21 pm

Can't decide whether the man is insane or the whole thing is just a big joke.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:56 pm

Physical things that happen trigger the brain to incorporate the sensations into the dream. Just how the dreamer will interpret the sensations is purely in the mind of the dreamer. He bashes his arm against something (perhaps while sleepwalking, even) & his warped Religiously fanatical mind instinctively interprets it as something Religious.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:03 pm

FourPart;1515019 wrote: Physical things that happen trigger the brain to incorporate the sensations into the dream. Just how the dreamer will interpret the sensations is purely in the mind of the dreamer. He bashes his arm against something (perhaps while sleepwalking, even) & his warped Religiously fanatical mind instinctively interprets it as something Religious.

That's not true. Here's another one for you that happened in my family:

Several years ago, My cousin was playing with a lighter in his bedroom. He caught a newspaper or comic book or something on fire and threw it on his bed. There were several people sleeping there. The whole house went up in flames. Everyone got out except for my 3 year old cousin sarah. They had written her off as dead. The whole house was in flames and filled with smoke. An off duty fireman happened to be driving by and saw the smoke. He stopped to help. He looked into the bedroom window and saw her sitting under the window with her hands on her head. He pulled her out and she was burned and has some scars to this day. He asked her how she knew to come over to that window and sit on the ground. She said that the man in the fire told her "Don't be afraid, to go over to the window sit down and put your hands over your head and face". Years later, she recounted her story with me. She said that the man had no face, light shining from it, he was 3 feet tall and dressed in white. He was floating in the corner of the room. My Grandparents were deeply committed Christians. Often times my Grandmother would be up all night, having trouble sleeping, praying for the safety of the family. At the same exact time that the fire was going on, my grandmother was several miles away sleeping in her bed. She heard a voice that told her "There's been a fire, Liz and the kids got out ok". A few minutes later, my Grandfather got the call on the phone "There's been a fire, liz and the kids got out ok" He tried to tell her what they said, but she already knew. The reason that God Spoke to her, I believe, is because it was HER prayer that the Lord was answering. Otherwise, my cousin would have died in the fire.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Nov 26, 2017 6:44 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1515096 wrote: That's not true. Here's another one for you that happened in my family:I'm not sure why to bother.

xfrodobagginsx;1515096 wrote: Several years ago, My cousin was playing with a lighter in his bedroom. He caught a newspaper or comic book or something on fire and threw it on his bed. There were several people sleeping there.Uh oh - this sounds dramatic.xfrodobagginsx;1515096 wrote: The whole house went up in flames.Oh no, the whole house is up in flames.xfrodobagginsx;1515096 wrote: Everyone got outThank goodness!....But wait! xfrodobagginsx;1515096 wrote: except for my 3 year old cousin sarah.Oh no! xfrodobagginsx;1515096 wrote: They had written her off as dead.Nobody could get close enough to the house to check?xfrodobagginsx;1515096 wrote: The whole house was in flames and filled with smoke.Yes, we know, you've already told us that, but it must have been so bad it needs reiteration.xfrodobagginsx;1515096 wrote: An off duty fireman happened to be driving by and saw the smoke.Oh good! But wait - it was at night since people were sleeping (unless you're Vampires) and he spotted the smoke and not the flames that were apparently engulfing the home? xfrodobagginsx;1515096 wrote: He stopped to help.You mean he didn't call for the rest of the fire department? Did anyone? xfrodobagginsx;1515096 wrote: He looked into the bedroom windowYou mean after all this time the whole house was up in flames that by the time this fireman comes along and decides to "stop and help" he can still get close enough to the window to look into the bedroom? xfrodobagginsx;1515096 wrote: and saw her sitting under the window with her hands on her head.Through all that smoke and all those flames? Really? What a guy! xfrodobagginsx;1515096 wrote: He pulled her outYou mean he did what no person in their right mind would do in such an enormouse fire situation and opened the window?xfrodobagginsx;1515096 wrote: and she was burned and has some scars to this day. He asked her how she knew to come over to that window and sit on the ground. She said that the man in the fire told her "Don't be afraid, to go over to the window sit down and put your hands over your head and face". Years later, she recounted her story with me. She said that the man had no face, light shining from it, he was 3 feet tall and dressed in white. He was floating in the corner of the room. My Grandparents were deeply committed Christians. Often times my Grandmother would be up all night, having trouble sleeping, praying for the safety of the family. At the same exact time that the fire was going on, my grandmother was several miles away sleeping in her bed. She heard a voice that told her "There's been a fire, Liz and the kids got out ok". A few minutes later, my Grandfather got the call on the phone "There's been a fire, liz and the kids got out ok" He tried to tell her what they said, but she already knew. The reason that God Spoke to her, I believe, is because it was HER prayer that the Lord was answering. Otherwise, my cousin would have died in the fire.The rest is just the imaginary story of people who are raised in a fundamentalist Christian family!

It's pure hogwash! Christians are such liars.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:48 pm

Ahso!;1515097 wrote: I'm not sure why to bother.

Because it's really true. Why do you bother if you don't believe it anyway?

Uh oh - this sounds dramatic.Oh no, the whole house is up in flames.Thank goodness!....But wait! Oh no! Nobody could get close enough to the house to check?Yes, we know, you've already told us that, but it must have been so bad it needs reiteration.Oh good! But wait - it was at night since people were sleeping (unless you're Vampires) and he spotted the smoke and not the flames that were apparently engulfing the home? You mean he didn't call for the rest of the fire department? Did anyone? You mean after all this time the whole house was up in flames that by the time this fireman comes along and decides to "stop and help" he can still get close enough to the window to look into the bedroom? Through all that smoke and all those flames? Really? What a guy! You mean he did what no person in their right mind would do in such an enormouse fire situation and opened the window?The rest is just the imaginary story of people who are raised in a fundamentalist Christian family!It's pure hogwash! Christians are such liars.

Yes the whole house went up in flames. True. Glad to reiterate for you. Yes, the Fireman saw that fire and stopped to help. They did both at the same time. You know it is possible to stop and help and also have someone else call the Fire Department at the same time right? Yes he could get close enough to look into the bedroom. Yes, what a God! God sent the angel that told her to go to the window where the Fireman would be. The Fireman knew the situation BETTER than you and since he was there and you weren't he made a choice to pull my cousin out of there, whether the window was already open or not, I do not know. The rest is 100% true and you are the liar. It's pure truth. Love being a Christian, it's not a lie.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:21 pm

xfrodobagginsx;1515137 wrote: Yes the whole house went up in flames. True. Glad to reiterate for you. Yes, the Fireman saw that fire and stopped to help. They did both at the same time. You know it is possible to stop and help and also have someone else call the Fire Department at the same time right? Yes he could get close enough to look into the bedroom. Yes, what a God! God sent the angel that told her to go to the window where the Fireman would be. The Fireman knew the situation BETTER than you and since he was there and you weren't he made a choice to pull my cousin out of there, whether the window was already open or not, I do not know. The rest is 100% true and you are the liar. It's pure truth. Love being a Christian, it's not a lie.You have no choice except to stand behind it at this point, but I have little doubt you'll tell it differently next time.

You should be thanking me.

xfrodobagginsx · Post by **xfrodobagginsx** » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:21 pm

Ahso!;1515150 wrote: You have no choice except to stand behind it at this point, but I have little doubt you'll tell it differently next time.

You should be thanking me.

I have to choice but to stand behind it because it's TRUE. I won't tell it any differently. Truth is truth.