California Wildfires

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:41 pm

Coincidence? We'll see.

https://www.google.com/search?q=califor ... e&ie=UTF-8

Post by **spot** » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:51 pm

If you're suggesting people are setting the fires deliberately, I'd not be at all surprised. I think that's increased the scale of most of these annual fires over the last few years when the wind's sufficiently strong to build them.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:01 pm

I'm also suggesting that this has the potential to be a definite conversation changer and headline grabber. Country and western music listeners are a lot more important to certain entities than children are.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 1:47 am

Report on the BBC emphasises that the speed the fire is moving at has surprised people. Nothing yet about the possibility of arson, though it wouldn't surprise me either.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:02 am

Ahso!;1513232 wrote: I'm also suggesting that this has the potential to be a definite conversation changer and headline grabber. Country and western music listeners are a lot more important to certain entities than children are.

To whom are you referring?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:20 am

AnneBoleyn;1513240 wrote: To whom are you referring?Not any particular person. Probably not a wine connoisseur, no matter how bad of a bottle they got.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:48 am

While researching California wildfires, I came across this particular wildfire, one that I've never heard of before and was the most virulent in American history:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ret ... 6f48b4ac37

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:21 pm

May i suggest you guys do a search for fires around the world in the past 20 years pertaining to their intensity and frequency.

Denying climate change and ignoring its affects is playing havoc on entire populations. Sick and tired of people blaming arsonists when they dont understand what is actually happening around them.

Expect a new word in your vocabulary that will change the way you look at catastrophic conditions..... there will no longer be called wildfire/bushfires...."fire storms" will be the vogue.

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:05 pm

The conditions were right. It is peak wildfire season in the area. The "Diablo Winds" were blowing strong, with very low humidity air from the Great Basin. Any little thing could have started the tinder dry grass and scrub brush. Today it was revealed that the power company was responding to multiple calls of arcing and sparking wires on the poles about 2 hours before the first fire was reported.

Post by **spot** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:11 pm

magentaflame;1513255 wrote: Sick and tired of people blaming arsonists when they dont understand what is actually happening around them.

Bushfire arsonist Garry Trestrail jailed for 12 years over blazes which threatened neighbours. By court ... More stories from South Australia ...

AustraliaWeather ... Related Story: Jury retires in Black Saturday arson trial ... 10 people by deliberately lighting a bushfire on Black Saturday.

4 Jul 2017 - Fire crews who turned out to defend a house from a bushfire in Woorree last week believe the blaze may have been deliberately lit.

Bushfire Arson Prevention | Melbourne Sustainable Society Institute

sustainable.unimelb.edu.au/bushfire-arson-prevention

80% of Australian bushfires are believed to be deliberately lit. As we approach bushfire season again, we examine the complex nature of human behaviour in ...

John Handmer, ŽKatharine Haynes - 2008 - ŽNature

Table 9.1 Juvenile arson intervention programs in Australia The correct criminal justice response to bushfire arson, especially when committed by children, is a ...

Rebekah Doley, ŽGeoffrey Dickens, ŽTheresa Gannon - 2015 - ŽPsychology

2 See, for example, Ogilvie (2013) Tassie plan to make bushfire arsonists pay, ... Preventing and reducing bushfire arson in Australia: A review of what is known, ...

Stop arson - Australia's most costly crime - Crime Stoppers

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12 Jan 2016 - Arson is Australia's most costly crime. Over 1/3 of fires attended by the Tasmania Fire Service are deliberately lit; It is a crime which puts ...

Preventing and Reducing Bushfire Arson in Australia: A Review of ...

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by J Beale - Ž2011 - ŽCited by 11 - ŽRelated articles

Strategies to prevent bushfire arson are examined from a criminological perspective. Much of the research on bushfire arson to date has focussed on identifying ...

Deliberately lit bushfires - 2009 Victorian Bushfires Royal Commission

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Traditionally, bushfire prevention campaigns in Australia have been 'concerned ... The extent of deliberately lit bushfires and arson and the causes of these ...

Firebugs: Australia's dangerous summer arsonists - BBC News

Firebugs: Australia's dangerous summer arsonists - BBC News

18 Jan 2013 - Australia struggles to understand "firebugs", the arsonists believed to be behind as many of half of Australia's ferocious seasonal bushfires.

WATCH: A Bushfire Arsonist Explains Why He Lit 50+ Fires - VICE

https://www.vice.com/en_nz/.../watch-a- ... t-50-fires

15 Mar 2017 - Meet the Bushfire Arsonist, an Australian caller who started lighting fires as a 16-year-old when he was volunteering for the fire brigade.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:17 pm

Im sorry ....im not understanding your point.

Post by **spot** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:21 pm

magentaflame;1513261 wrote: Im sorry ....im not understanding your point.

You seemed to be trying to dismiss the role arsonists play in starting bush fires.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:31 pm

Wandrin;1513258 wrote: The conditions were right. It is peak wildfire season in the area. The "Diablo Winds" were blowing strong, with very low humidity air from the Great Basin. Any little thing could have started the tinder dry grass and scrub brush. Today it was revealed that the power company was responding to multiple calls of arcing and sparking wires on the poles about 2 hours before the first fire was reported.It would definitely be preferable that this (or some of it) wasn't arson. There are deranged individuals who track weather patterns and know when the conditions are just right for this purpose though. I read that there were something like 17 separate fires going at once. And the timing is just so coincidental.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:47 pm

spot;1513263 wrote: You seemed to be trying to dismiss the role arsonists play in starting bush fires.

Dont be silly. I have said no such thing. And thats all youve come up with? Do you know how many fires we have.....media hype!....think about this..the media trying to get a story says...'fires were deliberately lit' and they are correct. They were for purposes....but then something happens and the 'deliberately lit' fire escapes it contained area. But they dont tell you that .

Regardless....climate change is causing more damage than any arsonist...in fact its helping them.

Did you know within the next thirty years Sydney and melbourne will experience 50 degree temps? So will california...IN THE CITIES AND SUBURBS! How is anyone going to fight fires in those temps?

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:51 pm

Ahso!;1513264 wrote: It would definitely be preferable that this (or some of it) wasn't arson. There are deranged individuals who track weather patterns and know when the conditions are just right for this purpose though. I read that there were something like 17 separate fires going at once. And the timing is just so coincidental.

Have you checked the wind conditions and tracking of the fire? You may be seeing ember attack. Depending on winds embers can travel up to 100 kms. An easy 10 to 30 kms is not uncommon.

May i ask about the coincidence factor though? Im not following?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:02 pm

magentaflame;1513266 wrote: May i ask about the coincidence factor though? Im not following?Las Vegas shooting was dominating the headlines and conversations in the US until the fires. As I've said already, it had to be a very big diversion this time because of the numbers killed and wounded as well as the crowd of people fired on. These were country and western music listeners - a segment of our population that, generally speaking, is supportive of gun rights. The gun manufacturers depend on them for support, and the NRA manipulates them like putty.

Post by **spot** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:17 pm

magentaflame;1513265 wrote: Dont be silly. I have said no such thing.

Go on then - what did "Sick and tired of people blaming arsonists when they dont understand what is actually happening around them" mean, if it wasn't trying to dismiss the role arsonists play in starting bush fires. This could just be a misunderstanding of what you meant by that sentence.

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:45 pm

Ahso!;1513264 wrote: It would definitely be preferable that this (or some of it) wasn't arson. There are deranged individuals who track weather patterns and know when the conditions are just right for this purpose though. I read that there were something like 17 separate fires going at once. And the timing is just so coincidental.

Yes, there is the possibility of arson and that, as a potential weapon of terror or just evil, is frightening. There have also been very many cases of pure stupidity in starting wildfires in the general region. There were the teens playing with firecrackers, the hunters with an illegal campfire, etc. There have also been cases where some of the fires seemed intentionally set.

If an arsonist was responsible, they must have been very nimble and mobile, given the dispersion and timing of the fires. For some, it is far more likely that airborne embers from another fire had a role. Given the radio traffic sending repair crews out to reports of problems in the electric power lines before the first fire, that seems the most likely cause of some of the fires around the Napa Valley.

I live about 80 miles away (as the crow flies) from the nearest fire and the air quality here is terrible. The haze is so thick that I can see it when looking at a tree 20 feet away. Hopefully, with the wind change and humidity rise in the area of the fires, they will make significant progress in fighting them.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:11 pm

Some of the pictures I've seen have an apocalyptic look.

There could have been more than one arsonist involved working as a group. That idea is what's most disturbing to me.

Another thing that concerns me is the possibility of collusion between the authorities and the press/media. If there was arson anything like I'm describing, the chaos that could ensue if that became public knowledge might be just as bad, if not worse, than the fires themselves.

I'm not saying that I'm right. In fact, I'd like not to be, but these are possibilities that we are forced to entertain in today's political and natural environments.

We could be witnessing the early stages of a civil war. And not just two sides either. It's always been bound to happen sooner or later.

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 5:33 pm

Ahso!;1513272 wrote: Some of the pictures I've seen have an apocalyptic look.

There could have been more than one arsonist involved working as a group. That idea is what's most disturbing to me.

Another thing that concerns me is the possibility of collusion between the authorities and the press/media. If there was arson anything like I'm describing, the chaos that could ensue if that became public knowledge might be just as bad, if not worse, than the fires themselves.

I'm not saying that I'm right. In fact, I'd like not to be, but these are possibilities that we are forced to entertain in today's political and natural environments.

We could be witnessing the early stages of a civil war. And not just two sides either. It's always been bound to happen sooner or later.

If it were the early stages of a civil war, why choose those targets? There would certainly be more strategic targets for any side involved. And why would there be almost as many wildfires burning in "red" areas of the state as there are in the "blue" areas? There are at least 20 wildfires burning around the state right now.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:30 pm

spot;1513270 wrote: Go on then - what did "Sick and tired of people blaming arsonists when they dont understand what is actually happening around them" mean, if it wasn't trying to dismiss the role arsonists play in starting bush fires. This could just be a misunderstanding of what you meant by that sentence.

Because its the first 'go to' blame game excuse. And now theres groups of them?

Now a civil war?

Blood hell.

Wandrin, if you live 80 kms away and the news reports say its coming your way .... the only thing you should be thinking is implementing your fire plan and getting ready to leave.....EARLY!

Otherwise, help your self out and clear around your property, its not too late to clear away any fuel.

Wandrin · Post by **Wandrin** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:46 pm

magentaflame;1513275 wrote: Because its the first 'go to' blame game excuse. And now theres groups of them?

Now a civil war?

Blood hell.

Wandrin, if you live 80 kms away and the news reports say its coming your way .... the only thing you should be thinking is implementing your fire plan and getting ready to leave.....EARLY!

Otherwise, help your self out and clear around your property, its not too late to clear away any fuel.

I'm 80 miles away - about 130km and San Francisco Bay is in between. But it is wildfire season so there is always the threat of fires in the mountains here or the grass or scrub. I have diligently kept the property cleared according to the guidelines.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:00 pm

Hmmm...i know what you mean. Fire restrictions begin next monday here and wont be lifted again till next may. Theyre not pissing around this year

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:13 am

magentaflame;1513275 wrote: Because its the first 'go to' blame game excuse. And now theres groups of them?

Now a civil war?

Blood hell.It's a conversation. I'm not saying there are anything. I've said these are possibilities and legitimate concerns for some of us.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:49 am

Wandrin;1513273 wrote: If it were the early stages of a civil war, why choose those targets? There would certainly be more strategic targets for any side involved. And why would there be almost as many wildfires burning in "red" areas of the state as there are in the "blue" areas? There are at least 20 wildfires burning around the state right now.Because it wouldn't appear that way, it looks natural, and it is plausible to make that argument exactly like you and magflame are doing. With all the planning that goes on in this country to shield us against accidental incidences and terror, you'd think that the idea of sparks from electrical sources flying around those areas would have been predicted and attended to in advance? If any area of California would have been put under a microscope concerning anything fire related, it'd be this area.

We know the authorities didn't take action against the Bundy federal land takeover, we also know the authorities turned a blind eye to white violence in Charlottesville. In both cases had the participants been black or liberal the police responses would have been very different. Indeed, we know there are lots of white officials that are sympathetic to legally arming the white population. We know the corporate media has an established relationship with many of these people and often works hand-in-glove with the authorities to suppress information or spread misinformation. And we know for sure that there's plenty of support in our political institutions for all this. This particular faction feels very emboldened at the present time and we can see that we've got nothing but more of the same for the foreseeable future.

All that said, I could and hope to be totally wrong and this was just sloppy camping. And, that said, I'm not so sure I'd believe the reports if that's what the official version turns out to be.

Skepticism to the extent that I am expressing it goes to the cultural course this country has been taking over the past several decades. We're all very much suspicious of each other. Myself included. And, believe it or not, I'm a pretty easy going person. At least that's what I'm told by people who know me.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:21 am

I said it here after the Sandy Hook massacre, and I'll say it again now. The appropriate song for our time is Led Zepplin's When The Levee Breaks. Take a fresh listen.

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:01 am

magentaflame;1513255 wrote: Denying climate change and ignoring its affects is playing havoc on entire populations.

I agree with magentaflame. Why is the world burning up? Because the world is BURNING UP!

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:12 am

Saint_;1513284 wrote: I agree with magentaflame. Why is the world burning up? Because the world is BURNING UP!

Being suspicious of arson is not a denial of global warming, it's absurd to suggest otherwise. However, certain arsonists might be in denial of global warming.

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:48 pm

reporting in from Canada, British Columbia alone as of Mid August 2017....894,491 hectares burned.

Many of those fires were finally contained mid September. So the number of hectares burned is higher.

This was deemed British Columbia's worst year ever for wild fires.

Our media reports human error for a few (burning barrel got out of control, welding job shot sparks, fire started etc) ...

The hard cold facts here this year... lightening... lightening started 3/4 of the BC fires.

Global warming, perhaps. But then again some of these fires were left to burn in the remote areas as they posed no threat to humans and thus increased the area of burned land... the good news... in all these fires, we are killing the nasty Pine Beetle. I think it's a cycle, I think madame mother nature intended it. A kind of natural purge.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:01 pm

Ahso!;1513282 wrote: Because it wouldn't appear that way, it looks natural, and it is plausible to make that argument exactly like you and magflame are doing. With all the planning that goes on in this country to shield us against accidental incidences and terror, you'd think that the idea of sparks from electrical sources flying around those areas would have been predicted and attended to in advance? If any area of California would have been put under a microscope concerning anything fire relatee.

You wanna hear something really depressing? Its cheaper for the big corporate energy companies to pay out a settlement after their infrastructure has caused a calamity rather than update the existing poles, towers, boxes to protect from this particular problem.

Thats capitalism for ya. Because it all comes down to the bottom line......its about money not mismanagement in their eyes.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:08 pm

Ahso!;1513283 wrote: I said it here after the Sandy Hook massacre, and I'll say it again now. The appropriate song for our time is Led Zepplin's When The Levee Breaks. Take a fresh listen.

California doesnt have much of a levee....its been known for over a decade youre running out of water...you just have to notice all your lakes drying up because theyve drained them

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:19 pm

Ahso!;1513285 wrote: Being suspicious of arson is not a denial of global warming, it's absurd to suggest otherwise. However, certain arsonists might be in denial of global warming.

Im not denying arson. Im just saying that its the governments (of every country) go to excuse before they look into what really happened. We have a hot line here to dob in an arsonist during summee months which sort of infers we have multitudes of arsonists running around willy nilly.

Have a look at the psychology of an arsonist. Theyre not that bright and not as organised as you think. Lol and although they may have the brain of a herd animal they dont gather in groups.

But what i think has been suggested here is the deliberate starting of fires to financially cripple certain areas. That would be a different kind of crime.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 3:24 pm

minks;1513299 wrote: reporting in from Canada, British Columbia alone as of Mid August 2017....894,491 hectares burned.

Many of those fires were finally contained mid September. So the number of hectares burned is higher.

This was deemed British Columbia's worst year ever for wild fires.

Our media reports human error for a few (burning barrel got out of control, welding job shot sparks, fire started etc) ...

The hard cold facts here this year... lightening... lightening started 3/4 of the BC fires.

Global warming, perhaps. But then again some of these fires were left to burn in the remote areas as they posed no threat to humans and thus increased the area of burned land... the good news... in all these fires, we are killing the nasty Pine Beetle. I think it's a cycle, I think madame mother nature intended it. A kind of natural purge.

Yep here too. Lightening.

Plus large fires tends to create its own weather.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:02 pm

magentaflame;1513303 wrote: California doesnt have much of a levee....its been known for over a decade youre running out of water...you just have to notice all your lakes drying up because theyve drained themPeople here think I'm a literalist?

Post by **spot** » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:01 am

magentaflame;1513304 wrote: But what i think has been suggested here is the deliberate starting of fires to financially cripple certain areas.Not by me.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:08 am

It wouldn't surprise me if some of the fires were arson because these fires very often are arson. However saying that doesn't mean I'm denying climate change. Personally I think these fires were bigger, stronger and faster moving because of climate change and we will see more of it, along with greater intensity of hurricanes (and possibly more of them) sea level rise and the disappearance of pack ice.

People will continue to deny it because they would rather die than admit they were wrong.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:29 pm

Clodhopper;1513321 wrote: It wouldn't surprise me if some of the fires were arson because these fires very often are arson. However saying that doesn't mean I'm denying climate change. Personally I think these fires were bigger, stronger and faster moving because of climate change and we will see more of it, along with greater intensity of hurricanes (and possibly more of them) sea level rise and the disappearance of pack ice.

People will continue to deny it because they would rather die than admit they were wrong.

Our government has been buying back seaside properties because they banned building on them....they wont be under water in thirty years but 10. Just need to have a look at very famous islands in the pacific and the crisis they are heading toward. There have been plans for ages for the refugee count and intakes between britain france aus and nz...

Weve already been told (by more than one chief scientist) that hurricanes and cyclones wont increase in number but they will become more intense. Thats not only on land but also what they will do to the close seaboards of countries they hit. Depleting fishing, tourism etc

Post by **spot** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:27 am

magentaflame;1513448 wrote: Our government has been buying back seaside properties because they banned building on them....they wont be c in thirty years but 10. Just need to have a look at very famous islands in the pacific and the crisis they are heading toward. If you could point to a single property in Australia which will be "under water" - let's say wet, shall we - in either 10 or 30 years because of rising sea levels, which isn't already either under water or wet already for other reasons, I'd be interested to take a look. I don't believe sea levels anywhere around Australia will rise by more than 6cm as a worst case by 2030, and neither does your government - www.ozcoasts.gov.au/climate/sd_visual.jspaca shows their "high-end scenario" figures and that amounts to a worst case of 6cm between now and 2030. Were I asked I'd say that was twice what you'll actually see. I'd call it one inch myself.

Under water in ten years - Where? Point at one. We can post a photo in 2030 and see what actually happened.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:49 am

Near me? Seaspray area . And multiple other areas along the coastline.

Post by **spot** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:54 am

magentaflame;1513459 wrote: Near me? Seaspray area . And multiple other areas along the coastline.

You don't want to comment on the www.ozcoasts.gov.au/climate/sd_visual.jspaca figures, vis-a-vis one inch by 2030 as opposed to under water in ten years?

I don't dispute the buy-back but that's for land put under a revised building embargo which previously had building permission, not for drowning houses. It's an apology for a policy balls-up.

Your under water in ten years prediction is very like Truthbringer's 2012 apocalypse warnings.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:56 pm

Spotty, spotty,spotty....i know of peoples houses that are in danger NOW.

Tell me something...what do you consider "under water"?

thats the official line spot....for heavens sake they had to move two entire caravan parks and the surf life saving club.

Post by **spot** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:12 pm

I expect someone made some cash somewhere along the line. Follow the money.

Under water means you can peer over your oars and look down on the roof. That's the only possible meaning of under water.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:27 pm

Climate change and rising waters is not equivelant to noahs flood.

Its about erosion...which in this case is from the sea.And we're not talking cliff faces here. We're talking about low lying coastline where you can actually wittness in real time how far the water is coming in further and further. From storm surge to king tides to tides.

They had yo build an elevated road into Sale. Its in an area that occasionally flooded...alls good there's wetlands there, thats why the black swans go thete to breed. BUT....weve gone very quickly from a tidal river flooding that area seasonally to water there all the time.....thats not only worrying but also dangerous the next big flood incident.

Quite frankly i dont know why youd want to build there anyway...which btw many hadnt over a 50 year period....its mosquito infested. Not my choice of camping spots. And yes youre right , it stops people suing.

Post by **spot** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:38 pm

What you say is undeniable but linking it to a rise in sea level isn't supportable. We have erosion like that too, but we've had it since before Alfred the Great invented England.At the height of its fortunes in the early 14th century, Ravenser Odd was a town of national importance, regularly supplying the king with two fully equipped ships and armed men for his war with the Scots.

"It had a royal charter, a market and annual fair, a town mayor, customs officer and other officials, as well as numerous cargo ships, fishing boats and warehouses. There was also a court, prison and chapel. Shakespeare's Richard II also speaks of a town called Ravenspurg (Ravenser).

"By 1346 it was recorded that two-thirds of the town and its buildings had been lost to the sea due to erosion, and in the years that followed, from about 1349 to 1360, the sea had completely destroyed Ravenser Odd.

Lost villages - BBC News

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:04 pm

You dont understand spot. Our chief scientists keep saying that we were warned 30 years ago....we are now living within their warning time slot.its not something in the future anymore.....its NOW! We are seeing the affects of being under water NOW!

When waters rise....which they have already.

Try telling all the islanders in the pacific they are imagining things. Maybe the affects are slower, or different in the alantic but the indian and pacific oceans are showing the signs NOW!

Even that stupid Abbott isnt denying things now....he's changed his tune to "climate change is a good thing" ....another words ...burn more coal, we'll all see the benefits.

Post by **spot** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:42 pm

I heard an admirable chap on the radio last night, Kevin Rudd, discussing the Chinese Premier's future intentions. He - Mr Rudd - has a brain and a half, I could listen to him for hours. Informed, informative and coherent. Very sound, I thought. I'm sorry you're stuck with that Turnbull fellow. I'm not sure I've heard Tony Abbott speak.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:54 pm

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Okay, youre talking to an Australian now.

If you like the odd megliamaniac....im sure you'll like Rudd. But he wasnt booted for nothing (and im left leaning) im pretty sure he's looking for the chairmanship of China and selling Australia out to what he sees as "the winning side" . If he had his way we would be allies of north korea instead of you guys.

Abbott is insane.

Turnbull is a cars salesman who keeps.telling us we're sitting on a cushion when in reality we're being ****ed up the arse with a pineapple. Pointy bit first.

Post by **spot** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:59 pm

You will, I hope, accept my condolences on the loss of your Holden plant. If it were me I'd be very upset.

magentaflame · Post by **magentaflame** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:07 pm

Yep, no more car manufacturing in Australia again. Not one. First it was ford, then holden in vic, then toyota.... and the final nail in the coffin SA's holden plant....thats it now.

So if you have a car that was built in Aus....i suggest you hang onto it.

My brother started at holden when he was long haired and still a teen. He had his drawings of cars with him at interview and some big nob walked in andand looked at his work. Next minute he has a job that put him eventually in charge of 5 engineers. He was part of the team that redesigned the dashboard of the SS for overseas consumption. He finished up as an exec with them. Just before the melbourne close he did this huge turn aroynd and joined a union....i almost fell off my chair.

That was a couple of years ago....i think he's still at uni re-skilling.....but then again he doesnt like the dizzying fall of the powerful. Uni, i guess gives him a status? Of some sort.