The fear of this site being religious

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:56 pm

posted by me

I am of the opinion that a theist posting on a forum like this is actually giving a cry for help to try and break the logic loop they have created for themselves. I have free will you don't maybe god has sent you here as a last resort to try and help you realise he is not real. Why would I not try to help a felow human in distress?

You know we could all just stop responding to him but like all theists who post on a forum where they know non-believers are likely to respond it's a subconscious (imo that is) cry for help. So would leaving him talking to himself be constructive? What if he starte answering himself would that mean he was talking to god?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:14 pm

gmc;1499064 wrote: posted by me

You know" we could all" just stop responding to him?

Again the " We All" is the Us, or the Atheist, or the superior. The one's who think they rule and control things here. You must then control all the poster's; but I think you know , you just can't have me.

You threaten to stop reading my threads; remember , I am already doing that to you: I rarely read any of your threads. I rarely respond to any of you. So I am already doing to you , what you threaten to do to me.

Interesting truth; isn't it?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:42 pm

Mickiel;1499038 wrote: Add this to the list;

Two Year Anniversary!

That's not a website - nor is it even a forum. It's just someone's blog.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 12:22 am

Mickiel;1499065 wrote: Again the " We All" is the Us, or the Atheist, or the superior. The one's who think they rule and control things here. You must then control all the poster's; but I think you know , you just can't have me.

You threaten to stop reading my threads; remember , I am already doing that to you: I rarely read any of your threads. I rarely respond to any of you. So I am already doing to you , what you threaten to do to me.

Interesting truth; isn't it?

I see god hasn't given you a good grasp of semantics - maybe that's the problem.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:25 am

gmc;1499081 wrote: I see god hasn't given you a good grasp of semantics - maybe that's the problem.

No problem with me ,just truth. The truth is , I have never read a thread by gmc.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:03 am

Mickiel;1499086 wrote: No problem with me ,just truth. The truth is , I have never read a thread by gmc.

Ah what you've missed.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:08 am

Some of the wisdom from the ancient scriptures tells us to not judge others. It warns us not to worry about a sliver in someone else's eye when we have a plank in our own. Nothing g religious there just common sense.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Jul 25, 2016 1:01 pm

I've recentkly been thinkimng about followimng the cosmic comedian religion just the one tenet - life is a joke we just don't know the punchline.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:47 am

The fear that the key to life is religious is a deep fear.

Let me try and ease that fear

God is not religious.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:45 am

I've come to the conclusion that mickiel does not really exist.

Can anyone prove that he does? For instance the posts on this thread may be taken as proof of his existence with nthe posts inspired by him but the inconsistencies and contradictions rather suggest that they have been written by oither people either that or he is not quite right in the head - for instance his stance on free will where he says he has none then later contradicts that.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:45 pm

gmc;1499158 wrote: I've come to the conclusion that mickiel does not really exist.

Can anyone prove that he does? For instance the posts on this thread may be taken as proof of his existence with nthe posts inspired by him but the inconsistencies and contradictions rather suggest that they have been written by oither people either that or he is not quite right in the head - for instance his stance on free will where he says he has none then later contradicts that.

Why not google my name for the last 15 years; tell me what you find.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 12:27 am

Mickiel;1499199 wrote: Why not google my name for the last 15 years; tell me what you find.

You mean you don't know!?

Joking aside I'm actually not interested.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:41 pm

gmc;1499212 wrote: You mean you don't know!?

Joking aside I'm actually not interested.

Well that makes two of us. We can keep me out of this , or not ; it makes no difference to me.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:37 am

Gunman, 22, shot by veteran after opening fire on him and his friends | Daily Mail Online

Well, that proves it. Google provided this. Mickiel has to exist.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:56 am

FourPart;1499274 wrote: Gunman, 22, shot by veteran after opening fire on him and his friends | Daily Mail Online

Well, that proves it. Google provided this. Mickiel has to exist.

This might help;

City-Data Forum - Search Results

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:04 am

Mickiel;1499277 wrote: This might help;

City-Data Forum - Search Results
It just proves that some egoist using the name Mickiel likes to keep starting threads on some bizarre forum. A bit like Kilroy [was here].

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:16 am

FourPart;1499279 wrote: It just proves that some egoist using the name Mickiel likes to keep starting threads on some bizarre forum. A bit like Kilroy [was here].

Well he was here too;

Can Science Reveal God? - Spiritual Forums

And here;

Mickiel's proof of God. | ReligiousForums.com

And here;

Search Results | ReligiousForums.com

And here ;

City-Data Forum - Search Results

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:46 am

Mickiel;1499281 wrote: Well he was here too;

Can Science Reveal God? - Spiritual Forums

And here;

Mickiel's proof of God. | ReligiousForums.com

Absolutely - making nearly all the postings with the same old fallacious comments.

You dispute the relationship of DNA, but don't seem to understand what the relationships mean, or how they come about. It is said that each snowflake is unique (I would question that, what with there being insufficient database of snowflakes for comparison, but let's put that aside for now). In arguing that one snowflake is closer in design to another does not mean that they dived off & continued to develop separately, independently of each other. It means quite simply that conditions were similar & the constituent elements were the same. OR do you deny that the common ancestor of every snowflake is, in fact, simply water? Water, which is the primary constituent of every known life form. Of course, this doesn't mean that snowflakes are life forms. However, in some level of chemical foundation, we are related to them. We have a common ancestor. Water. Every leaf on every tree has a common ancestor in the trunk & roots of that tree, but even different branches of that same tree will randomly flourish or wither, for no apparent reason. Through the intervention of humans these branches that flourish may then be spliced onto other root stocks to form entirely new produce. There is, after all, only one natural form of apple - the Crab Apple. All others are Genetically Modified. I've actually had apples growing on rose bushes, and vice versa. They continue to flourish. They have, in effect been interbred & are not sterile.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:49 am

FourPart;1499285 wrote: Absolutely - making nearly all the postings with the same old fallacious comments.

You dispute the relationship of DNA, but don't seem to understand what the relationships mean, or how they come about. It is said that each snowflake is unique (I would question that, what with there being insufficient database of snowflakes for comparison, but let's put that aside for now). In arguing that one snowflake is closer in design to another does not mean that they dived off & continued to develop separately, independently of each other. It means quite simply that conditions were similar & the constituent elements were the same. OR do you deny that the common ancestor of every snowflake is, in fact, simply water? Water, which is the primary constituent of every known life form. Of course, this doesn't mean that snowflakes are life forms. However, in some level of chemical foundation, we are related to them. We have a common ancestor. Water. Every leaf on every tree has a common ancestor in the trunk & roots of that tree, but even different branches of that same tree will randomly flourish or wither, for no apparent reason. Through the intervention of humans these branches that flourish may then be spliced onto other root stocks to form entirely new produce. There is, after all, only one natural form of apple - the Crab Apple. All others are Genetically Modified. I've actually had apples growing on rose bushes, and vice versa. They continue to flourish. They have, in effect been interbred & are not sterile.

And here;

Search Results | ReligiousForums.com

And course here;

Religion and Ethics | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

And of course here;

Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma - Exploring the details of Christianity

And of course here;

Philosophy - For the love of the pursuit of knowledge

Of course there is the classic , " Atheism the great nothing!"

Atheism: The Great Nothing! | ReligiousForums.com

I was tired once , took a break and did something on Romance;

Predictable behavior in romance. - Spiritual Forums

jamesmadisondo13 · Post by **jamesmadisondo13** » Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:04 am

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FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Aug 03, 2016 5:46 pm

Mickiel;1499288 wrote: Of course there is the classic , " Atheism the great nothing!"

Atheism: The Great Nothing! | ReligiousForums.com

Rather comical that the link you provide from another forum is full of the same old codswallop you post here, with much the same reaction from other posters seeing you for what you are, beginning with the reply:

Yet more utter nonsense from the world's leading purveyor of nonsense.

This is the fourth thread you've started about bashing atheism and making horrible generalities about the purpose and function of atheism. If you ask me, you're just insecure. Since you clearly know next to nothing about atheism, I think it's a safe bet this insecurity comes from your ignorance of it, and the fear that develops from that lack of understanding.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:57 pm

FourPart;1499607 wrote: Rather comical that the link you provide from another forum is full of the same old codswallop you post here, with much the same reaction from other posters seeing you for what you are, beginning with the reply:

I don't mind being called a world leader in something; I consider that a compliment.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:44 pm

Mickiel;1499637 wrote: I don't mind being called a world leader in something; I consider that a compliment.

Talk about creative editing. It didn't call you a World Leader. It described you as being a "World Leading Purveyor of Nonsense" - a bit like Donald Trump.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:12 pm

And the Bible contains lots of creative editing especially by the church.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:54 pm

FourPart;1499649 wrote: Talk about creative editing. It didn't call you a World Leader. It described you as being a "World Leading Purveyor of Nonsense" - a bit like Donald Trump.

I like the sound of world leading, because I know the sheer power of nonsense. Such as the nonsense of not believing in God. Believing that humans were grown in a plant pod. Nonsense has a lot of power; Donald Trump has a lot of power because there are many in America who share his nonsense.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:25 pm

This is a quote from Walter Brueggemann book "Chosen". Walter Brueggmann is a well respected and trusted Bible scholar. ". . . Instead, the the period scholars most often call the "Babyolonian exile" inspired religious leaders to revise parts of Scripture that had been passed down to them. It also sparked the writing of entirely new Scriptures and the revision of ideas about God, creation, and history. Much of what is called the Hebrew Scriptures or Old Testament was written, edited, and compiled during and after this national tragedy" Reading some of the works of B Ehrmann will further show that the Bible has been revised, rewritten, edited, added to and subtracted from over the millennia until today.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:48 am

Ted;1499695 wrote: This is a quote from Walter Brueggemann book "Chosen". Walter Brueggmann is a well respected and trusted Bible scholar. ". . . Instead, the the period scholars most often call the "Babyolonian exile" inspired religious leaders to revise parts of Scripture that had been passed down to them. It also sparked the writing of entirely new Scriptures and the revision of ideas about God, creation, and history. Much of what is called the Hebrew Scriptures or Old Testament was written, edited, and compiled during and after this national tragedy" Reading some of the works of B Ehrmann will further show that the Bible has been revised, rewritten, edited, added to and subtracted from over the millennia until today.

Well I agree with that, and that coupled with translating that has been error riddled, I think God meant for the scriptures to be assaulted by man; because, believe me , if God did not want that to happen, it simply would not have. Which is interesting IF one would study how God really is. How he uses evil and deception to suit his own purpose.

In my view , nothing can happen that God does not want to happen. We just don't understand " Why" God does what he does. We try to say something to excuse God, like " God Allowed it", so we can fit our understanding into things. God does not need to be excused , he will do exactly what he wants.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:40 pm

Mickiel;1499716 wrote:

In my view , nothing can happen that God does not want to happen. We just don't understand " Why" God does what he does. We try to say something to excuse God, like " God Allowed it", so we can fit our understanding into things. God does not need to be excused , he will do exactly what he wants.

If that is the case, why would he bother with the Ten Commandments? Your argument makes as much logical sense as "Because I Said So" when a kid asks his/her Mother why something is the way it is. It's no reason whatsoever. It's nothing but a cop-out.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:07 pm

FourPart;1499726 wrote: If that is the case, why would he bother with the Ten Commandments? Your argument makes as much logical sense as "Because I Said So" when a kid asks his/her Mother why something is the way it is. It's no reason whatsoever. It's nothing but a cop-out.

Well I partly understand how you feel , because the Atheist argument makes absolutely no sense to me , but I know God wanted Atheism to exist. Made sure it exist. I don't completely understand why, I can only guess. Why bother with the Ten Commandments , when he already knew they could not be kept: I don't fully know. God is not logical in the human sense , not predictable at all. In my view God absolutely controls human time ,human life , human government ; all things human. Things are the way they are , because its what he wanted. And no human has any say so in that. Not in my view.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:11 pm

Using your logic their can be no Crime or Punishment because everything that happens is being done by the direct will of God. His pawns can therefore not be held accountable.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:17 pm

I do not believe for one moment that God, if he exists would run that kind of show. The God dwho gave us the Great Commandment. God, if you so believe does not control every day events or long term evets like war. Perhaps God has a personality disorder.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:45 pm

Ted;1499734 wrote: I do not believe for one moment that God, if he exists would run that kind of show. The God dwho gave us the Great Commandment. God, if you so believe does not control every day events or long term evets like war. Perhaps God has a personality disorder.

Well I believe it , and here is some of why; Lamentations 3:38, "Out of the mouth of God , comes both evil and good." Isaiah 45:7 ," I form the light and create darkness , I make peace and create evil; I the Lord DO ALL these things! Isaiah 54:16 God created the waster, ( satan), to destroy." Job 26:13 " His hands, ( Gods hands), created the crooked serpent,( again the devil, or evil). The personality of God can be questioned by humans , but not changed by humans. I think God has a definite personality order; in other words he gets done whatever he wants , and I am totally convinced that its nothing any of us can do about it.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Aug 06, 2016 7:56 pm

Mickiel;1499740 wrote: Well I believe it , and here is some of why; Lamentations 3:38, "Out of the mouth of God , comes both evil and good." Isaiah 45:7 ," I form the light and create darkness , I make peace and create evil; I the Lord DO ALL these things! Isaiah 54:16 God created the waster, ( satan), to destroy." Job 26:13 " His hands, ( Gods hands), created the crooked serpent,( again the devil, or evil). The personality of God can be questioned by humans , but not changed by humans. I think God has a definite personality order; in other words he gets done whatever he wants , and I am totally convinced that its nothing any of us can do about it.

For a very good reason - it's all make believe.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Aug 06, 2016 8:08 pm

FourPart;1499747 wrote: For a very good reason - it's all make believe.

Its the best make believe ever conceived : I admit , I been made to it. I think something like 84% of the worlds population has been made;

84 percent of the world population has faith; a third are Christian - Washington Times

But maybe the other 16% of the world is right? They just have not convinced me.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:20 am

The way statistics are gathered has always been a matter of dispute. All too often, people will fill in forms regarding their Religion as that of their Ethnic Group. I.E. White will invariably say they are Christian. A high proportion wouldn't even be able to name any of the books of the scriptures to which they supposedly identify themselves with.

Census ratings are not reliable, as "No Religion" or "Atheist" (which are not the same thing, incidentally) are invariably put at the bottom of the list. Options listed as "Other", where people often put such entries as "Jedi" will then be counted as having a Religion.

Consider this. If a census form were to be reformatted so that it used a sub-question, such as "Are you Religious (Yes / No)? - If 'Yes', select Religion", do you really think the results would be the same?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Aug 07, 2016 9:22 am

FourPart;1499760 wrote: The way statistics are gathered has always been a matter of dispute. All too often, people will fill in forms regarding their Religion as that of their Ethnic Group. I.E. White will invariably say they are Christian. A high proportion wouldn't even be able to name any of the books of the scriptures to which they supposedly identify themselves with.

Census ratings are not reliable, as "No Religion" or "Atheist" (which are not the same thing, incidentally) are invariably put at the bottom of the list. Options listed as "Other", where people often put such entries as "Jedi" will then be counted as having a Religion.

Consider this. If a census form were to be reformatted so that it used a sub-question, such as "Are you Religious (Yes / No)? - If 'Yes', select Religion", do you really think the results would be the same?

I don't know, but I am not religious and I am not Christian , so I would have to be " Other." The other lion that you did not see that made the kill.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:19 am

A misunderstanding of how to read the ancient texts.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Wed Aug 10, 2016 10:33 am

Because people do not take the time to learn how to read and interpret the ancient texts they write them off as myth and legend, which they are. They do not see the wisdom involved nor do they try to learn of the events behind the stories. That is the problem of being a literalist. They miss the beauty and the real meanings of those texts. It is not about right belief it is about understanding the ancients and those of today. Literalism is the curse of the the Christianity of today.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:56 am

The fear of this site being religious . I wonder why that exist in the consciousness of so many here? Well one reason that I understand and agree with , is the behavior of religion. I label religion as " Spiritually Racist." So I can understand why some are racist against racism in religion.

Is then not wanting them here racist within itself?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:03 am

Race & Religion are 2 entirely different things. Race is Genetic. Religion is a choice - albeit usually made by cultural brainwashing.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:20 pm

Mickiel;1501514 wrote: The fear of this site being religious . I wonder why that exist in the consciousness of so many here? Well one reason that I understand and agree with , is the behavior of religion. I label religion as " Spiritually Racist." So I can understand why some are racist against racism in religion.

Is then not wanting them here racist within itself?

You can't say put the racist out the room so racism will no longer be in the room; because if you are racist , you are still in the room.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:27 am

It is amazing that religion has been around almost as self consciousness has existed. It was is and will continue to be an important part in the lives of many people. The trouble ios that most still harp on the old and know little to nothing about where theology is heading. The end of fundamentalism would be one good change.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Oct 06, 2016 10:34 am

Ted;1501707 wrote: It is amazing that religion has been around almost as self consciousness has existed. It was is and will continue to be an important part in the lives of many people. The trouble ios that most still harp on the old and know little to nothing about where theology is heading. The end of fundamentalism would be one good change.

The end of being human will be another good change.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:11 am

The fundamental part of self conciousness is the ability to ask "Where did I come from"? Then, when an answer could not be found, one has to be invented - and a God is born.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:32 am

FourPart;1501791 wrote: The fundamental part of self conciousness is the ability to ask "Where did I come from"? Then, when an answer could not be found, one has to be invented - and a God is born.

How about we came from fantasy island ; you know , we created ourselves.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 11:49 pm

Religion is a form of intellectual masterbation that's just one of the reasons you can't stop talking about it to yourself.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:23 am

gmc;1501973 wrote: Religion is a form of intellectual masterbation that's just one of the reasons you can't stop talking about it to yourself.

I could care less about religion ; Atheism either.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:38 pm

Mickiel;1501980 wrote: I could care less about religion ; Atheism either.

If you didn't care you wouldn't keep talking to yourself about it. An atheist is simply someone who has come to the concluscion there is no convincing evidence for the existence of god. Read the bible yet?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:04 pm

gmc;1501987 wrote: If you didn't care you wouldn't keep talking to yourself about it. An atheist is simply someone who has come to the concluscion there is no convincing evidence for the existence of god. Read the bible yet?

I wonder why so many people , all over the internet , keep watching me talk to myself ?

And why do you keep watching me talk to myself?

I mean why? Why do you keep doing it? I don't read anything you write outside of my threads. Because I hold no interest in you.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 4:31 am

Mickiel;1501988 wrote: I wonder why so many people , all over the internet , keep watching me talk to myself ?

And why do you keep watching me talk to myself?

I mean why? Why do you keep doing it? I don't read anything you write outside of my threads. Because I hold no interest in you.

I popped in to see what was happening. haven't missed much like most religious posters you have no interest in discussion beyond pushing your own weird interpretation of things can't handle it when challenged and blithely contradict your own posts. Religion is imo a baleful influence on the world and one I like to keep keep an eye on. we are about to get sucked in to another world war and the religious can't wait for the end of times. As an individual you are a harmless if somewhat sad figure so not to worry I shall resume not reading your threads.