Is God Real?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:43 am

Mickiel;1492319 wrote: My guess would be God is both a spirit and some type of being. But I agree we have all kinds of views and images that we have created of God.
'Spirits' and 'Gods'. Possibly a fine borderline.

I have a hypothesis that every living being has a life force - a form of energy. This life force is gradually used up during the term of its life until it eventually runs out & the host dies. If, however, the host is killed suddenly, then this life force has nowhere to go & remains there until it is absorbed by the surrounding elements. This could be referred to as a Spirit, or a Ghost. I don't see it as being anything supernatural - not understood, but something with a potential scientific explanation. However, throughout history when the ignorant masses witness something they don't understand they all too often write it off as being the result of 'God'.

There is no evidence for my hypothesis. I make no claims that it is correct. I don't even know if I believe in Ghosts / Spirits or not, but if they do exist then I can see them as having a logical explanation & can accept their possibility. An intelligent, all seeing divine being - that's a different matter.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:17 am

FourPart;1492327 wrote: that's a different matter.

Perhaps that's what they call 'Dark matter'.:-5

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Feb 06, 2016 12:19 pm

FourPart;1492327 wrote: 'Spirits' and 'Gods'. Possibly a fine borderline.

I have a hypothesis that every living being has a life force - a form of energy. This life force is gradually used up during the term of its life until it eventually runs out & the host dies. If, however, the host is killed suddenly, then this life force has nowhere to go & remains there until it is absorbed by the surrounding elements. This could be referred to as a Spirit, or a Ghost. I don't see it as being anything supernatural - not understood, but something with a potential scientific explanation. However, throughout history when the ignorant masses witness something they don't understand they all too often write it off as being the result of 'God'.

There is no evidence for my hypothesis. I make no claims that it is correct. I don't even know if I believe in Ghosts / Spirits or not, but if they do exist then I can see them as having a logical explanation & can accept their possibility. An intelligent, all seeing divine being - that's a different matter.

Interesting theory; I also think every living thing has a life force , but I don't think every living thing is conscious, at the " Level" that humans are. I even doubt that primordial humans were that conscious. I even think they died out earlier than thought;

Neanderthals Died Out Earlier Than Thought

I think when a human dies, their life force returns to God, the origin of life. But as you, I cannot prove that flat out; but it is what I think, after examining all other possibilities.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Sat Feb 06, 2016 3:58 pm

Genetic research shows that Neanderthal did not die out but was bread out by humans. Apparently we all have the neanderthal gene in our genetic code.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Feb 06, 2016 4:56 pm

Mickiel;1492387 wrote: Interesting theory; I also think every living thing has a life force , but I don't think every living thing is conscious, at the " Level" that humans are. I even doubt that primordial humans were that conscious. I even think they died out earlier than thought;

Neanderthals Died Out Earlier Than Thought

I think when a human dies, their life force returns to God, the origin of life. But as you, I cannot prove that flat out; but it is what I think, after examining all other possibilities.
I didn't mention anything about a consciousness. I merely referred to a life force. This applies to animals and plants at all levels. That energy could even be formed like a 'battery' from within the chemical structure of DNA. The basic idea is even in accordance with the ancient Religions that accept Reincarnation as the basis for life. What one person may call a 'soul' I call 'energy'. The difference is that I don't see that energy as having a consciousness.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Feb 11, 2016 7:56 am

Life is the DNA of God.

John Cary · Post by **John Cary** » Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:14 am

I think God exist and guiding us in a logistic way. And of course we abide by the rules which is ruled by the religion.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:06 am

John Cary;1492642 wrote: I think God exist and guiding us in a logistic way. And of course we abide by the rules which is ruled by the religion.

I don't abide by the rules of religion, but I know most do.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Fri Feb 12, 2016 4:26 pm

I abide by what I believe to be correct within our culture.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:12 pm

Religious rules were made up by dirty old men. I follow criminal and traffic rules mainly.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Fri Feb 12, 2016 6:22 pm

Mickiel;1492638 wrote: Life is the DNA of God.

I referred to a life force as being a form of energy. Energy does not have DNA. A dead body contains DNA, but it requires that Life Force to be alive - something the more Spiritual may prefer to think of as a Soul. I prefer to see it from the Scientific perspective.

If something happens then it is natural that it happens. Therefore there is nothing that happens that is supernatural.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 10:11 am

FourPart;1492694 wrote: I referred to a life force as being a form of energy. Energy does not have DNA. A dead body contains DNA, but it requires that Life Force to be alive - something the more Spiritual may prefer to think of as a Soul. I prefer to see it from the Scientific perspective.

If something happens then it is natural that it happens. Therefore there is nothing that happens that is supernatural.

Some of God's energy has DNA, and life is one of the DNA'S. Consciousness is another DNA of God.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:44 pm

DNA is physical matter. It can be held. It can be viewed under a microscope. Energy cannot.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:49 pm

Mickiel;1492721 wrote: Some of God's energy has DNA, and life is one of the DNA'S. Consciousness is another DNA of God.

Sounds like you're an expert on god and DNA.:yh_rotfl

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 5:11 am

Fuzzy;1492733 wrote: Sounds like you're an expert on god and DNA.:yh_rotfl

Sounds like your an expert on sarcasm and scarcasm.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 5:17 am

Mickiel;1492736 wrote: Sounds like your an expert on sarcasm and scarcasm.

Nerr!!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 5:19 am

An interesting effort:

If You Can Read This, I Can Prove God Exists

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 5:25 am

The fact that you don't know the answer to something does not prove the existence of an imaginary designer.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 5:32 am

FourPart;1492745 wrote: The fact that you don't know the answer to something does not prove the existence of an imaginary designer.

The fact that you cannot imagine God, does not mean I can't imagine God. I am not limited by your limitations. My consciousness is simply going where yours is not. Not that you cannot go there, you just don't want to.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 5:50 am

I don't know how electricity works. That is proof that fluffy pink elephants are responsible for it.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 6:13 am

FourPart;1492751 wrote: I don't know how electricity works. That is proof that fluffy pink elephants are responsible for it.

I hold no interest in the use of myths to discuss reality. You hold no interest in God, I do; so why are you so interested in this thread?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 5:48 pm

When will you learn the difference between a myth & a metaphor?

You use the myth of DNA being the proof of a God's existence.

I use the metaphor of Electricity being the proof of fluffy pink elephant's existence.

The logic is identical.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:16 am

Mickiel;1492736 wrote: Sounds like your an expert on sarcasm and scarcasm.

Yes I'm the best and I love a good laugh.:wah:

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:22 am

Fuzzy;1492760 wrote: Yes I'm the best and I love a good laugh.:wah:

Well I have seen this before; the person seems to lack the ability to be serious in a conversation , so they escape into a world of comedy. Always using sarcasm, and then using it to cut others; turning it into scarcasm.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:17 am

Is God real? In Isaiah 45:23 we have a personal message from God; a Vow really. " I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness and shall not return to me void; that to me EVERY knee shall bow and EVERY mouth shall confess!" Here this God that some doubt is real, makes a Holy Vow to himself, to cause all of humanity to submit to him and believe in him.

In my view, this is the destiny of humanity. God will force himself on all the world and bring us to his way of things. You know, I don't see God asking for our opinions here, he is not going to ask our permission or give out any choices; its going to be his way;

and that's it! And in my view, its absolutely nothing any of us can do about this.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:53 pm

Mickiel;1492765 wrote: Well I have seen this before; the person seems to lack the ability to be serious in a conversation , so they escape into a world of comedy. Always using sarcasm, and then using it to cut others; turning it into scarcasm.

No, the real reason is the fact that one can not have a serious discussion with people who believe in nonsense and imaginary entities. It really is funny what you guys come up with.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 5:05 am

It's because Religion is a joke. Who can take that crazy man on the bus seriously?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 10:35 am

In Luke 3:6, " ALL flesh shall see the salvation of God!" This is how real God is, that he has made sure that all humans will be saved and live with him forever.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:56 pm

Mickiel;1492805 wrote: In Luke 3:6, " ALL flesh shall see the salvation of God!" This is how real God is, that he has made sure that all humans will be saved and live with him forever.

Including all those he knocked off with water, fire, etc etc?

Silas Mackey · Post by **Silas Mackey** » Wed Feb 17, 2016 5:08 am

I don't think God is visible and guiding us in a magical way.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:40 am

Silas Mackey;1492824 wrote: I don't think God is visible and guiding us in a magical way.

You are spot on about the visibility of the so called god. Nobody has ever seen the bastard. He hides extremely well. Perhaps he's sorry for all the killing he has done in the past and hopes that we will one day forget and forgive him for being such a mean god. As far as I'm concerned he can go to hell.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 9:45 am

Fuzzy;1492858 wrote: You are spot on about the visibility of the so called god. Nobody has ever seen the bastard. He hides extremely well. Perhaps he's sorry for all the killing he has done in the past and hopes that we will one day forget and forgive him for being such a mean god. As far as I'm concerned he can go to hell.

Translation; I am upset because he has hidden himself from me.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:20 pm

Mickiel;1492864 wrote: Translation; I am upset because he has hidden himself from me.

Is it you who is upset or are you putting words in my mouth?:-3

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Feb 18, 2016 8:04 pm

Fuzzy;1492884 wrote: Is it you who is upset or are you putting words in my mouth?:-3

I am not being sarcastic.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:28 pm

Mickiel;1492885 wrote: I am not being sarcastic.

No, just evasive.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 12:25 am

That's how Religion works.

1. Take a simple phrase.

2. Change the meaning to suit what you want it to mean.

3. Reword it.

4. Cite the rewording as the original text.

5. When questioned on the validity, start the process all over again.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 10:41 am

Fuzzy;1492910 wrote: No, just evasive.

You have been insulting to the God I believe in, calling him ugly names; you have been continually sarcastic; you constantly make a joke of this; you belittle this conversation;

then you claim I am being evasive?

Man, you really got your nerve.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Sat Feb 20, 2016 6:39 pm

Mickiel;1492926 wrote: You have been insulting to the God I believe in, calling him ugly names; you have been continually sarcastic; you constantly make a joke of this; you belittle this conversation;

then you claim I am being evasive?

Man, you really got your nerve.

All that because your god is a joke. Well, he would be if he was real. BTW, being sarcastic is nowhere near as bad as drowning or burning millions of people to death. I'm not even convinced that sarcasm is at all bad. Your obsession with pointing out sarcasm doesn't make it so.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:54 am

Fuzzy;1492934 wrote: All that because your god is a joke. Well, he would be if he was real. BTW, being sarcastic is nowhere near as bad as drowning or burning millions of people to death. I'm not even convinced that sarcasm is at all bad. Your obsession with pointing out sarcasm doesn't make it so.

Burning or drowning millions of people to death becomes real, when you need to use it as an example; but its fake when you need it as somethingelse.

Your obsession with sarcasm is proof the human language is under attack.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:22 am

Mickiel;1492957 wrote:

Your obsession with sarcasm is proof the human language is under attack.

If you see that as a problem, what do you think should be done about it?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 4:15 am

Thousands of people get slaughtered by natural occurrences. Then all that gets accredited to some mythical 'loving' God. That makes real sense doesn't it.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:05 pm

FourPart;1492981 wrote: Thousands of people get slaughtered by natural occurrences. Then all that gets accredited to some mythical 'loving' God. That makes real sense doesn't it.

Nothing makes sense to me if it's written in the bible. Take the example of the stopping of the sun. That was written when the sun was said to be orbiting the earth.

Silas Mackey · Post by **Silas Mackey** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 3:48 am

Natural occurrences is there any relationship with God? What do you think?

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:30 pm

The sun standing still is midrash. Not meant to be read literaly.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:37 pm

Silas Mackey;1493032 wrote: Natural occurrences is there any relationship with God? What do you think?

No. None whatsoever if you're talking god of the bible.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:04 pm

Ho Hum LOL

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:10 pm

Oh, and also, I think thinking is far more important than to blindly follow an outdated belief system.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 3:36 pm

Many Christians today are not following an outmoded dated system. Many have moved into the 21st century. The ancient or old critical stands are no longer even valid. Folks need to do some research to find the reality. Blind criticism is a joke.

Off to Greece until May 15.

Fuzzy · Post by **Fuzzy** » Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:04 pm

Just think.....If we were following the bible to the letter which is supposedly the absolute 100% truth.

We'd still be beating our slaves.

Having our rebellious kids stoned to death.

Kill every person who works on the Sabbath. (America would have a huge decrease in population)

Just to mention a few.

If so called christians read their bible properly instead of picking and choosing what suits them, they might finally wake up and come out of the dark ages.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:01 am

Fuzzy;1493348 wrote: Just think.....If we were following the bible to the letter which is supposedly the absolute 100% truth.

We'd still be beating our slaves.

Having our rebellious kids stoned to death.

Kill every person who works on the Sabbath. (America would have a huge decrease in population)

Just to mention a few.

If so called christians read their bible properly instead of picking and choosing what suits them, they might finally wake up and come out of the dark ages.
Priests would have to be put to death for a start. They all work on the Sabbath.