Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
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tude dog;1491866 wrote: Who are we?
That is quite a leap.
Not much of a leap to thinking minds.
Who are we? Almost everyone who hold a belief in an imaginary God and that would include all Christian and Muslim idol worshipers.
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DL
That is quite a leap.
Not much of a leap to thinking minds.
Who are we? Almost everyone who hold a belief in an imaginary God and that would include all Christian and Muslim idol worshipers.
Regards
DL
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Ted;1491882 wrote: I don't believe that many love war. I would suggest that the love of war belongs to a minority. In any conflict if both sides decide to end it they can but when only one side wants peace and the other does not there can be none. The conflict then is one of self preservation. It takes two to tango. Many years ago in ancient times there was no division between politics and religion. B. Ehrman, Diana Butler bass and a host of others. Religion has caused some problems in the past, maybe much however the statistics clearly show that the non religious have caused far more than religion ever will. Yes religion is used by many but as an excuse for war when the real issue is power and money. I see some here who constantly blame religion for every thing and continue to preach what is many churches today is simply not the way it is in many. A little research might help. If anyone needs titles and authors I can help you. It is truly amazing to me how much the church is changing in this day and age.
We have had to force Christianity into civilization and must now do the same with Islam.
Secular thinkers changed the church. It did not have the intelligence to do it itself.
Islam is fighting civilization a lot harder than Christianity did. It also does not have the intelligence to do it itself.
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We have had to force Christianity into civilization and must now do the same with Islam.
Secular thinkers changed the church. It did not have the intelligence to do it itself.
Islam is fighting civilization a lot harder than Christianity did. It also does not have the intelligence to do it itself.
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FourPart;1491869 wrote: The problem here seems to be that we cannot get out of the mindset of invasion being of one country against another, or one race against another. The current situation is not about race or nation, it is about Religion. Religion can be internal and / or external. It is not just one country or another. It is Global. Who can we make war on. The 'invasion' is already on our home soil. The invading 'armies' are our own nationals.
Religion has always been about the manipulation of power. That is why it is more representative of Politics than superstition, and it must be recognised as such. We currently have a Right Wing Government. Discontent with this regime is bringing about the rise of the Left Wing. It is the same with Islam.
Our mindset is to love and even crave drama and our oligarch owners, who fund both sides, are happy to divert our thinking away from them through funding various wars.
Rome had the coliseum and we now have the Middle East.
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Religion has always been about the manipulation of power. That is why it is more representative of Politics than superstition, and it must be recognised as such. We currently have a Right Wing Government. Discontent with this regime is bringing about the rise of the Left Wing. It is the same with Islam.
Our mindset is to love and even crave drama and our oligarch owners, who fund both sides, are happy to divert our thinking away from them through funding various wars.
Rome had the coliseum and we now have the Middle East.
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DL
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Gnostic Christian Bishop;1491905 wrote: Not much of a leap to thinking minds.
Who are we? Almost everyone who hold a belief in an imaginary God
"Imaginary God". Don't let it bother you. My religion is my guide to morals/ethics. The Imagary G-d really has not much to do with it.
Gnostic Christian Bishop;1491905 wrote: and that would include all Christian and Muslim idol worshipers.
Best I understand Muslims are not into the idol thing.
Every Sunday it seems my city's population doubles every Sunday. Two churches draw in quite a number of congregants.
Nice having so many decent people around.
Gnostic Christian Bishop;1491905 wrote: Regards
DL
Who are we? Almost everyone who hold a belief in an imaginary God
"Imaginary God". Don't let it bother you. My religion is my guide to morals/ethics. The Imagary G-d really has not much to do with it.
Gnostic Christian Bishop;1491905 wrote: and that would include all Christian and Muslim idol worshipers.
Best I understand Muslims are not into the idol thing.
Every Sunday it seems my city's population doubles every Sunday. Two churches draw in quite a number of congregants.
Nice having so many decent people around.
Gnostic Christian Bishop;1491905 wrote: Regards
DL
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
tude dog;1491909 wrote: "Imaginary God". Don't let it bother you. My religion is my guide to morals/ethics. The Imagary G-d really has not much to do with it.
Best I understand Muslims are not into the idol thing.
Every Sunday it seems my city's population doubles every Sunday. Two churches draw in quite a number of congregants.
Nice having so many decent people around.
Hopefully your church isn't anything like this one
Saw another one where the preacher was suggesting Hitker was doing god's work by helping to drive the jews back to israel. Mind you Hitler thjought he was doing god's work as well.
Found it
I'd like to think that in the UK these guys would be drowned out by the sound of laughter and god helo america if they ever getenough political clout to matter although I note one of the candidates has been endorsed by mike bickle - ted cruz- so I guess there is a possiblility religious sectarianisn may become a factor in US elections.
Best I understand Muslims are not into the idol thing.
Every Sunday it seems my city's population doubles every Sunday. Two churches draw in quite a number of congregants.
Nice having so many decent people around.
Hopefully your church isn't anything like this one
Saw another one where the preacher was suggesting Hitker was doing god's work by helping to drive the jews back to israel. Mind you Hitler thjought he was doing god's work as well.
Found it
I'd like to think that in the UK these guys would be drowned out by the sound of laughter and god helo america if they ever getenough political clout to matter although I note one of the candidates has been endorsed by mike bickle - ted cruz- so I guess there is a possiblility religious sectarianisn may become a factor in US elections.
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tude dog;1491909 wrote: "Imaginary God". Don't let it bother you. My religion is my guide to morals/ethics. The Imagary G-d really has not much to do with it.
Best I understand Muslims are not into the idol thing.
Every Sunday it seems my city's population doubles every Sunday. Two churches draw in quite a number of congregants.
Nice having so many decent people around.
Does Islam seek God?
No they do not and have settled for Allah as described by Mohamed.
That makes them idol worshipers as they have a God that they idolized and do not seek a better one.
The same applies to Christians and their Jesus.
As to decent Christians. Christianity is only good for producing homophobic and misogynous men and is thus an immoral creed just as Islam is.
You forget that Christianity begins by you sheading your responsibility for your sins and imposing them on your messiah.
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DL
Best I understand Muslims are not into the idol thing.
Every Sunday it seems my city's population doubles every Sunday. Two churches draw in quite a number of congregants.
Nice having so many decent people around.
Does Islam seek God?
No they do not and have settled for Allah as described by Mohamed.
That makes them idol worshipers as they have a God that they idolized and do not seek a better one.
The same applies to Christians and their Jesus.
As to decent Christians. Christianity is only good for producing homophobic and misogynous men and is thus an immoral creed just as Islam is.
You forget that Christianity begins by you sheading your responsibility for your sins and imposing them on your messiah.
Regards
DL
Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
gmc;1491928 wrote: Hopefully your church isn't anything like this one
Saw another one where the preacher was suggesting Hitker was doing god's work by helping to drive the jews back to israel. Mind you Hitler thjought he was doing god's work as well.
Found it
They are not my churches. One of the pastors, a very decent fellow is something of a friend of mine. Dave and I share a passion for gardening. He is really good at it and taught me a lot. Always seems to have extra tomatoes and I seem to always have melons to share.
Only met the other pastor once and she seems level headed.
If the people I know who attends these churches are any indication, I would have a hard time associating them with your youtube examples. In fact, in my lifetime never really ran into much of that BS kinda stuff.
gmc;1491928 wrote: I'd like to think that in the UK these guys would be drowned out by the sound of laughter and god helo america if they ever getenough political clout to matter although I note one of the candidates has been endorsed by mike bickle - ted cruz- so I guess there is a possiblility religious sectarianisn may become a factor in US elections.
Saw another one where the preacher was suggesting Hitker was doing god's work by helping to drive the jews back to israel. Mind you Hitler thjought he was doing god's work as well.
Found it
They are not my churches. One of the pastors, a very decent fellow is something of a friend of mine. Dave and I share a passion for gardening. He is really good at it and taught me a lot. Always seems to have extra tomatoes and I seem to always have melons to share.
Only met the other pastor once and she seems level headed.
If the people I know who attends these churches are any indication, I would have a hard time associating them with your youtube examples. In fact, in my lifetime never really ran into much of that BS kinda stuff.
gmc;1491928 wrote: I'd like to think that in the UK these guys would be drowned out by the sound of laughter and god helo america if they ever getenough political clout to matter although I note one of the candidates has been endorsed by mike bickle - ted cruz- so I guess there is a possiblility religious sectarianisn may become a factor in US elections.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
Gnostic Christian Bishop;1491935 wrote: Does Islam seek God?
No they do not and have settled for Allah as described by Mohamed.
That makes them idol worshipers as they have a God that they idolized and do not seek a better one.
I'll take your word on that. In the meantime they do not make clay idols.
Gnostic Christian Bishop;1491935 wrote: The same applies to Christians and their Jesus.
Insofar as praying to Jesus and considering him like a god, I agree. That said, I really don't give a rip about Muslim or Christian idolatry.
Gnostic Christian Bishop;1491935 wrote: As to decent Christians. Christianity is only good for producing homophobic and misogynous men and is thus an immoral creed just as Islam is.
You forget that Christianity begins by you sheading your responsibility for your sins and imposing them on your messiah.
Regards
DL
As long as our civil laws are obeyed, I don't care.
No they do not and have settled for Allah as described by Mohamed.
That makes them idol worshipers as they have a God that they idolized and do not seek a better one.
I'll take your word on that. In the meantime they do not make clay idols.
Gnostic Christian Bishop;1491935 wrote: The same applies to Christians and their Jesus.
Insofar as praying to Jesus and considering him like a god, I agree. That said, I really don't give a rip about Muslim or Christian idolatry.
Gnostic Christian Bishop;1491935 wrote: As to decent Christians. Christianity is only good for producing homophobic and misogynous men and is thus an immoral creed just as Islam is.
You forget that Christianity begins by you sheading your responsibility for your sins and imposing them on your messiah.
Regards
DL
As long as our civil laws are obeyed, I don't care.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
gmc;1491928 wrote: Hopefully your church isn't anything like this one
Saw another one where the preacher was suggesting Hitker was doing god's work by helping to drive the jews back to israel. Mind you Hitler thjought he was doing god's work as well.
Found it
I'd like to think that in the UK these guys would be drowned out by the sound of laughter and god helo america if they ever getenough political clout to matter although I note one of the candidates has been endorsed by mike bickle - ted cruz- so I guess there is a possiblility religious sectarianisn may become a factor in US elections.
Hitler didn't really give a flip about the Jews. They were just an easy scapegoat. Like Trump and his refugees.
But yes, we have several candidates sucking up to the religious "Right" and making classic fools of themselves.
Saw another one where the preacher was suggesting Hitker was doing god's work by helping to drive the jews back to israel. Mind you Hitler thjought he was doing god's work as well.
Found it
I'd like to think that in the UK these guys would be drowned out by the sound of laughter and god helo america if they ever getenough political clout to matter although I note one of the candidates has been endorsed by mike bickle - ted cruz- so I guess there is a possiblility religious sectarianisn may become a factor in US elections.
Hitler didn't really give a flip about the Jews. They were just an easy scapegoat. Like Trump and his refugees.
But yes, we have several candidates sucking up to the religious "Right" and making classic fools of themselves.
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Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
Why is it that all Religious nutters seem to have the need to shout into a microphone? Don't they understand what the purpose of a microphone is?
Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
LarsMac;1491964 wrote: Hitler didn't really give a flip about the Jews. They were just an easy scapegoat. Like Trump and his refugees.
But yes, we have several candidates sucking up to the religious "Right" and making classic fools of themselves.
Actually it was a bit more than that to pretend otherwise is to ignore the fact that anti-semitism was a not just a minor cultural factor for a few. Similarly the notion that once all jews are back in israel the end of times will come is something that seems to influence many. god knows why!! I have trouble getting my head round the notion that people take it seriously at all. It's like mental self abuse delighting in the idea that evrybody is going to die while they gp to heaven.
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They are not my churches. One of the pastors, a very decent fellow is something of a friend of mine. Dave and I share a passion for gardening. He is really good at it and taught me a lot. Always seems to have extra tomatoes and I seem to always have melons to share.
Only met the other pastor once and she seems level headed.
If the people I know who attends these churches are any indication, I would have a hard time associating them with your youtube examples. In fact, in my lifetime never really ran into much of that BS kinda stuff.
Didn't mean to imply that they were like yours. Sadly I have on accasion run in to that kind of BS. Apart from wee free's there is a large jehovah's witness temple near me at times we have Jehovah's witnesses and mormons going door to door they now avoid mine. When asked about god I used to tell them i believed in the cosmic comedian - life's a joke we just don't know the punchline to which the never had a stock reply, latterly f--k off I'm not interested seems more effective. I don't mind discussing religiouis belief - as you may have noticed being harangued is another thing.
But yes, we have several candidates sucking up to the religious "Right" and making classic fools of themselves.
Actually it was a bit more than that to pretend otherwise is to ignore the fact that anti-semitism was a not just a minor cultural factor for a few. Similarly the notion that once all jews are back in israel the end of times will come is something that seems to influence many. god knows why!! I have trouble getting my head round the notion that people take it seriously at all. It's like mental self abuse delighting in the idea that evrybody is going to die while they gp to heaven.
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They are not my churches. One of the pastors, a very decent fellow is something of a friend of mine. Dave and I share a passion for gardening. He is really good at it and taught me a lot. Always seems to have extra tomatoes and I seem to always have melons to share.
Only met the other pastor once and she seems level headed.
If the people I know who attends these churches are any indication, I would have a hard time associating them with your youtube examples. In fact, in my lifetime never really ran into much of that BS kinda stuff.
Didn't mean to imply that they were like yours. Sadly I have on accasion run in to that kind of BS. Apart from wee free's there is a large jehovah's witness temple near me at times we have Jehovah's witnesses and mormons going door to door they now avoid mine. When asked about god I used to tell them i believed in the cosmic comedian - life's a joke we just don't know the punchline to which the never had a stock reply, latterly f--k off I'm not interested seems more effective. I don't mind discussing religiouis belief - as you may have noticed being harangued is another thing.
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tude dog;1491961 wrote: I'll take your word on that. In the meantime they do not make clay idols.
Insofar as praying to Jesus and considering him like a god, I agree. That said, I really don't give a rip about Muslim or Christian idolatry.
As long as our civil laws are obeyed, I don't care.
If not you show your lack of a social conscience.
We are our brothers keeper.
Change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.
"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”
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Insofar as praying to Jesus and considering him like a god, I agree. That said, I really don't give a rip about Muslim or Christian idolatry.
As long as our civil laws are obeyed, I don't care.
If not you show your lack of a social conscience.
We are our brothers keeper.
Change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.
"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”
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DL
Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
If we could accept others as our brothers and sisters in humanity and could divorce religion from politics their would be no need for brainwashing. The idea that my religion is the only one is pure BS.
Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
Ted;1492006 wrote: If we could accept others as our brothers and sisters in humanity and could divorce religion from politics their would be no need for brainwashing. The idea that my religion is the only one is pure BS.
They need to teach and believe that theirs is the only one otherwise what is the point of the religion?
They need to teach and believe that theirs is the only one otherwise what is the point of the religion?
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Ted;1492006 wrote: If we could accept others as our brothers and sisters in humanity and could divorce religion from politics their would be no need for brainwashing. The idea that my religion is the only one is pure BS.
I agree and that is why I do not mind judging them for their merit.
Islam is the least desirable to me and that is why I do not mind keeping it out of my country or mind Trump doing the same for his.
Islam cannot divorce religion from politics when their religion includes Sharia law, a political construct.
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I agree and that is why I do not mind judging them for their merit.
Islam is the least desirable to me and that is why I do not mind keeping it out of my country or mind Trump doing the same for his.
Islam cannot divorce religion from politics when their religion includes Sharia law, a political construct.
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DL
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gmc;1492018 wrote: They need to teach and believe that theirs is the only one otherwise what is the point of the religion?
Love for your tribe does not mean that you have to hate all the other tribes but Islam has built that horrid condition into itself with Sharia.
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Love for your tribe does not mean that you have to hate all the other tribes but Islam has built that horrid condition into itself with Sharia.
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DL
Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492023 wrote: I agree and that is why I do not mind judging them for their merit.
Islam is the least desirable to me and that is why I do not mind keeping it out of my country or mind Trump doing the same for his.
Islam cannot divorce religion from politics when their religion includes Sharia law, a political construct.
Regards
DL
How is it different from Mosaic law or Canon law which are the direct equivalents for Judaism and Christianity.
Why then would you ban Muslims but not, for example, Jews? Is it because you would be hung out to dry if you even suggested discriminating against Jews but you see Muslims as fair game given the amount that the media is daemonising them?
Islam is the least desirable to me and that is why I do not mind keeping it out of my country or mind Trump doing the same for his.
Islam cannot divorce religion from politics when their religion includes Sharia law, a political construct.
Regards
DL
How is it different from Mosaic law or Canon law which are the direct equivalents for Judaism and Christianity.
Why then would you ban Muslims but not, for example, Jews? Is it because you would be hung out to dry if you even suggested discriminating against Jews but you see Muslims as fair game given the amount that the media is daemonising them?
Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492024 wrote: Love for your tribe does not mean that you have to hate all the other tribes but Islam has built that horrid condition into itself with Sharia.
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DL
Islam is no different in this respect from Christianity, "thou shall not come to the Father except through me" is just as explicit a statement that non-Christians are going to Hell.
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DL
Islam is no different in this respect from Christianity, "thou shall not come to the Father except through me" is just as explicit a statement that non-Christians are going to Hell.
Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492024 wrote: Love for your tribe does not mean that you have to hate all the other tribes but Islam has built that horrid condition into itself with Sharia.
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DL
As does christianity come to that they're pretty good at hating other christians.
Islam cannot divorce religion from politics when their religion includes Sharia law, a political construct.
Christians can't either. They keep trying to force their beliefs on to the rest of us. Just look at how they interfere on issues like contraception, abortion, education civil rights and the harm they cause.
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As does christianity come to that they're pretty good at hating other christians.
Islam cannot divorce religion from politics when their religion includes Sharia law, a political construct.
Christians can't either. They keep trying to force their beliefs on to the rest of us. Just look at how they interfere on issues like contraception, abortion, education civil rights and the harm they cause.
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Bryn Mawr;1492034 wrote: How is it different from Mosaic law or Canon law which are the direct equivalents for Judaism and Christianity.
Why then would you ban Muslims but not, for example, Jews? Is it because you would be hung out to dry if you even suggested discriminating against Jews but you see Muslims as fair game given the amount that the media is daemonising them?
When was the last time you heard of a Christian or Jew advocate that their biblical or religious law be made the law of the land?
Never. They are not that barbaric.
Islam is.
I would also ban Islam because It and Sharia are against freedom of speech.
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Why then would you ban Muslims but not, for example, Jews? Is it because you would be hung out to dry if you even suggested discriminating against Jews but you see Muslims as fair game given the amount that the media is daemonising them?
When was the last time you heard of a Christian or Jew advocate that their biblical or religious law be made the law of the land?
Never. They are not that barbaric.
Islam is.
I would also ban Islam because It and Sharia are against freedom of speech.
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Bryn Mawr;1492035 wrote: Islam is no different in this respect from Christianity, "thou shall not come to the Father except through me" is just as explicit a statement that non-Christians are going to Hell.
Hardly the same as thou shalt kill all apostates.
Christianity, while having as barbaric a God and theology, is not walking that horrid talk.
Islam is trying to walk their even more horrid talk.
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Hardly the same as thou shalt kill all apostates.
Christianity, while having as barbaric a God and theology, is not walking that horrid talk.
Islam is trying to walk their even more horrid talk.
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gmc;1492038 wrote: As does christianity come to that they're pretty good at hating other christians.
Christians can't either. They keep trying to force their beliefs on to the rest of us. Just look at how they interfere on issues like contraception, abortion, education civil rights and the harm they cause.
Sure, Christians hate Christians but they no longer kill each other.
Islam has more Muslims dying at the hands of other Muslims that at the hands of other forces.
Neither religion are worthy of spit but at least Christianity has become civilized. Islam has yet to reach that point.
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Christians can't either. They keep trying to force their beliefs on to the rest of us. Just look at how they interfere on issues like contraception, abortion, education civil rights and the harm they cause.
Sure, Christians hate Christians but they no longer kill each other.
Islam has more Muslims dying at the hands of other Muslims that at the hands of other forces.
Neither religion are worthy of spit but at least Christianity has become civilized. Islam has yet to reach that point.
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DL
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Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492045 wrote: Sure, Christians hate Christians but they no longer kill each other.
Islam has more Muslims dying at the hands of other Muslims that at the hands of other forces.
Neither religion are worthy of spit but at least Christianity has become civilized. Islam has yet to reach that point.
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DL
Christianity is caged and lolst it's ,influence as people learned to read and think for themselves but iot's not something that should ever be given free rein.
Islam has more Muslims dying at the hands of other Muslims that at the hands of other forces.
Neither religion are worthy of spit but at least Christianity has become civilized. Islam has yet to reach that point.
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DL
Christianity is caged and lolst it's ,influence as people learned to read and think for themselves but iot's not something that should ever be given free rein.
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gmc;1492052 wrote: Christianity is caged and lolst it's ,influence as people learned to read and think for themselves but iot's not something that should ever be given free rein.
I agree. We have had enough of Inquisitions and I will be pleased when I can say the same for the Muslim equivalent which is jihad.
If the West does not change Islam and or they do not reform, then we may have to eradicate it.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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I agree. We have had enough of Inquisitions and I will be pleased when I can say the same for the Muslim equivalent which is jihad.
If the West does not change Islam and or they do not reform, then we may have to eradicate it.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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DL
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America likes to boast its division of Religion & State, yet continues to maintain the official motto, "In God We Trust". That seems more than a little hypocritical to me.
Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492045 wrote: Sure, Christians hate Christians but they no longer kill each other.
Islam has more Muslims dying at the hands of other Muslims that at the hands of other forces.
Neither religion are worthy of spit but at least Christianity has become civilized. Islam has yet to reach that point.
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DL
Where were you during The Troubles? That was all about Christians killing Christians and it's still going on, albeit to a smaller degree.
Islam has more Muslims dying at the hands of other Muslims that at the hands of other forces.
Neither religion are worthy of spit but at least Christianity has become civilized. Islam has yet to reach that point.
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Where were you during The Troubles? That was all about Christians killing Christians and it's still going on, albeit to a smaller degree.
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FourPart;1492064 wrote: America likes to boast its division of Religion & State, yet continues to maintain the official motto, "In God We Trust". That seems more than a little hypocritical to me.
I agree.
But you know how traditions are.
Have you noticed that most anthems, even in non-believing countries, often invoke God.
I can appreciate the tribal nature of religions and their use of the word God in a political anthem but I cannot appreciate the actual idol worship of some particular God that Christianity and Islam have fallen to.
We all need some kind of fellowship but to idol worship a fantasy goes too far.
God is supposed to be an ideal. Not an idol.
This is a good poem describing this concept but even the author end in idol worship.
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DL
I agree.
But you know how traditions are.
Have you noticed that most anthems, even in non-believing countries, often invoke God.
I can appreciate the tribal nature of religions and their use of the word God in a political anthem but I cannot appreciate the actual idol worship of some particular God that Christianity and Islam have fallen to.
We all need some kind of fellowship but to idol worship a fantasy goes too far.
God is supposed to be an ideal. Not an idol.
This is a good poem describing this concept but even the author end in idol worship.
Regards
DL
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Bryn Mawr;1492069 wrote: Where were you during The Troubles? That was all about Christians killing Christians and it's still going on, albeit to a smaller degree.
That was more political than religious, from what little I remember of it and the death toll was nowhere near what the Muslim killing Muslim numbers are.
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/20 ... muslims-2/
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That was more political than religious, from what little I remember of it and the death toll was nowhere near what the Muslim killing Muslim numbers are.
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/20 ... muslims-2/
Regards
DL
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Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492077 wrote: Have you noticed that most anthems, even in non-believing countries, often invoke God.
I take your point, but there are certain exceptions. The first that comes to mind is La Marseillaise - The French National Anthem. France, you will agree is very Religious, with a strong dominance toward Catholicism, yet in the words (English translation below) there is only 1 very vague Religious reference, in the words "Good Lord!"
Arise children of the fatherland, the day of glory has arrived
Against us tyranny's bloody standard is raised
Listen to the sound in the fields
The howling of these fearsome soldiers
They are coming into our midst
To cut the throats of your sons and consorts
To arms citizens Form your battalions. March, march.
Let impure blood water our furrows
What do they want this horde of slaves of traitors and conspiratorial kings?
For whom these vile chains, these long-prepared irons?
Frenchmen, for us, ah! What outrage. What methods must be taken?
It is us they dare plan to return to the old slavery!
What! These foreign cohorts! They would make laws in our courts!
What! These mercenary phalanxes would cut down our warrior sons
Good Lord! By chained hands our brow would yield under the yoke
The vile despots would have themselves be the masters of destiny
Tremble, tyrants and traitors, the shame of all good men
Tremble! Your parricidal schemes will receive their just reward
Against you we are all soldiers. If they fall, our young heros
France will bear new ones ready to join the fight against you
Frenchmen, as magnanimous warriors bear or hold back your blows
Spare these sad victims that they regret taking up arms against us
But not these bloody despots; these accomplices of Bouillé
All these tigers who pitilessly ripped out their mothers' wombs
We too shall enlist when our elders' time has come
To add to the list of deeds inscribed upon their tombs
We are much less jealous of surviving them than of sharing their coffins
We shall have the sublime pride of avenging or joining them
Drive on sacred patriotism. Support our avenging arms
Liberty, cherished liberty; Join the struggle with your defenders
Under our flags, let victory hurry to your manly tone
So that in death your enemies see your triumph and our glory!
I take your point, but there are certain exceptions. The first that comes to mind is La Marseillaise - The French National Anthem. France, you will agree is very Religious, with a strong dominance toward Catholicism, yet in the words (English translation below) there is only 1 very vague Religious reference, in the words "Good Lord!"
Arise children of the fatherland, the day of glory has arrived
Against us tyranny's bloody standard is raised
Listen to the sound in the fields
The howling of these fearsome soldiers
They are coming into our midst
To cut the throats of your sons and consorts
To arms citizens Form your battalions. March, march.
Let impure blood water our furrows
What do they want this horde of slaves of traitors and conspiratorial kings?
For whom these vile chains, these long-prepared irons?
Frenchmen, for us, ah! What outrage. What methods must be taken?
It is us they dare plan to return to the old slavery!
What! These foreign cohorts! They would make laws in our courts!
What! These mercenary phalanxes would cut down our warrior sons
Good Lord! By chained hands our brow would yield under the yoke
The vile despots would have themselves be the masters of destiny
Tremble, tyrants and traitors, the shame of all good men
Tremble! Your parricidal schemes will receive their just reward
Against you we are all soldiers. If they fall, our young heros
France will bear new ones ready to join the fight against you
Frenchmen, as magnanimous warriors bear or hold back your blows
Spare these sad victims that they regret taking up arms against us
But not these bloody despots; these accomplices of Bouillé
All these tigers who pitilessly ripped out their mothers' wombs
We too shall enlist when our elders' time has come
To add to the list of deeds inscribed upon their tombs
We are much less jealous of surviving them than of sharing their coffins
We shall have the sublime pride of avenging or joining them
Drive on sacred patriotism. Support our avenging arms
Liberty, cherished liberty; Join the struggle with your defenders
Under our flags, let victory hurry to your manly tone
So that in death your enemies see your triumph and our glory!
Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492078 wrote: That was more political than religious, from what little I remember of it and the death toll was nowhere near what the Muslim killing Muslim numbers are.
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/20 ... muslims-2/
Regards
DL
Then you'd better read up and find some facts - the divide was on strictly religious grounds, not political.
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/20 ... muslims-2/
Regards
DL
Then you'd better read up and find some facts - the divide was on strictly religious grounds, not political.
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FourPart;1492083 wrote: I take your point, but there are certain exceptions. The first that comes to mind is La Marseillaise - The French National Anthem. France, you will agree is very Religious, with a strong dominance toward Catholicism, yet in the words (English translation below) there is only 1 very vague Religious reference, in the words "Good Lord!"
Sacred patriotism is also there but yes, they have not put a lot of religiosity into their anthem.
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DL
Sacred patriotism is also there but yes, they have not put a lot of religiosity into their anthem.
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DL
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Ted;1492115 wrote: So???
??
We were comparing their French anthem to others.
That is so.
The topic was separation of church and state.
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We were comparing their French anthem to others.
That is so.
The topic was separation of church and state.
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DL
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Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492142 wrote: ??
We were comparing their French anthem to others.
That is so.
The topic was separation of church and state.
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DL
You don't know much about the french revolution do you or why the french are so keen on the seperation of church and state.
We were comparing their French anthem to others.
That is so.
The topic was separation of church and state.
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You don't know much about the french revolution do you or why the french are so keen on the seperation of church and state.
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gmc;1492171 wrote: You don't know much about the french revolution do you or why the french are so keen on the seperation of church and state.
Perhaps it is just the superior intellect of the French. Mon ami. :wah::wah:
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Perhaps it is just the superior intellect of the French. Mon ami. :wah::wah:
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Gnostic Christian Bishop;1492383 wrote: Perhaps it is just the superior intellect of the French. Mon ami. :wah::wah:
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I was right you don't know very much.
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I was right you don't know very much.
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gmc;1492384 wrote: I was right you don't know very much.
I know very little in 3 languages.
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I know very little in 3 languages.
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DL
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It is humorous.
Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
The more one studies and reads the more one comes to understand they know very little.
Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
America is the most religiously diverse nation on earth , and the most religiously diverse in world history . The U.S. Constitution grants every American the right too follow any religion, as well as the right not to follow any religion at all . This applies to all non-citizens living in America .
We cannot deny anyone the right to come to America, whether to live or to visit ,based on religion . The overwhelming majority of the Muslims living in America are peaceful and law-abiding, and are not a threat to anyone here . Sharia is NOT coming to America , and while Muslims in America have the right to practice Islam, our government is nOT allowing them to impose their religion on anyone else, the same as with every other religion .
The real threat to America is CHRISTIAN Sharia, which the religious right is determined to impose on this country , and fanatic Christians are in fact much more dangerous to America than Muslims, because they operate right in our own backyard .
Donald Trump is fanning the flames of Anti-Muslim bigotry in America, which is absolutely despicable, and totally unworthy of anyone who seeks the presidency .
We cannot deny anyone the right to come to America, whether to live or to visit ,based on religion . The overwhelming majority of the Muslims living in America are peaceful and law-abiding, and are not a threat to anyone here . Sharia is NOT coming to America , and while Muslims in America have the right to practice Islam, our government is nOT allowing them to impose their religion on anyone else, the same as with every other religion .
The real threat to America is CHRISTIAN Sharia, which the religious right is determined to impose on this country , and fanatic Christians are in fact much more dangerous to America than Muslims, because they operate right in our own backyard .
Donald Trump is fanning the flames of Anti-Muslim bigotry in America, which is absolutely despicable, and totally unworthy of anyone who seeks the presidency .
Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
superhorn;1498168 wrote: America is the most religiously diverse nation on earth , and the most religiously diverse in world history . The U.S. Constitution grants every American the right too follow any religion, as well as the right not to follow any religion at all . This applies to all non-citizens living in America .
We cannot deny anyone the right to come to America, whether to live or to visit ,based on religion . The overwhelming majority of the Muslims living in America are peaceful and law-abiding, and are not a threat to anyone here . Sharia is NOT coming to America , and while Muslims in America have the right to practice Islam, our government is nOT allowing them to impose their religion on anyone else, the same as with every other religion .
The real threat to America is CHRISTIAN Sharia, which the religious right is determined to impose on this country , and fanatic Christians are in fact much more dangerous to America than Muslims, because they operate right in our own backyard .
Donald Trump is fanning the flames of Anti-Muslim bigotry in America, which is absolutely despicable, and totally unworthy of anyone who seeks the presidency .
Hear! Hear!
We cannot deny anyone the right to come to America, whether to live or to visit ,based on religion . The overwhelming majority of the Muslims living in America are peaceful and law-abiding, and are not a threat to anyone here . Sharia is NOT coming to America , and while Muslims in America have the right to practice Islam, our government is nOT allowing them to impose their religion on anyone else, the same as with every other religion .
The real threat to America is CHRISTIAN Sharia, which the religious right is determined to impose on this country , and fanatic Christians are in fact much more dangerous to America than Muslims, because they operate right in our own backyard .
Donald Trump is fanning the flames of Anti-Muslim bigotry in America, which is absolutely despicable, and totally unworthy of anyone who seeks the presidency .
Hear! Hear!
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
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Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
I can agree with Trump on that one. However If I were an American he would never get my vote. He is a dangerous man as far as I'm concerned.
Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
Gnostic Christian Bishop;1490524 wrote: Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
Islam and Mohameds main power comes from freedom from blasphemy and criticism of a disrespectful nature. That freedom takes away the freedom of all men to question and give a mans unencumbered judgement on Mohamed as to his policies being good or evil. That is pyre tyranny.
Therefore, since being subject to that Muslim rule, means that a man cannot exercise a free judgement on Mohamed and Islam. This goes completely against democracies cornerstone of freedom of speech. Islam is thus anti-freedom.
Trump seems to recognize Islam as the satanic and anti-democratic religion that it demonstrably is.
This election is about the freedom of Americans to think for themselves without the threat of death stifling them. Please vote for Trump as he seems to be the only one ready to protect the cornerstone of the U.S.A. and democracy, freedom of speech.
Other than this one issue, Americans would be quite foolish to not elect Bernie Sanders. A moral man. Something rare in politics.
Regards
DL
P.S
Yes I recognize that the left wing of Islam is worthy of us in the West, but there is no way to weed out the left from the tyrannical right and so the whole religion should be banned in the U.S., the same way some other countries are beginning to do.
Well, ya lost me at "Trump is right...."
Islam and Mohameds main power comes from freedom from blasphemy and criticism of a disrespectful nature. That freedom takes away the freedom of all men to question and give a mans unencumbered judgement on Mohamed as to his policies being good or evil. That is pyre tyranny.
Therefore, since being subject to that Muslim rule, means that a man cannot exercise a free judgement on Mohamed and Islam. This goes completely against democracies cornerstone of freedom of speech. Islam is thus anti-freedom.
Trump seems to recognize Islam as the satanic and anti-democratic religion that it demonstrably is.
This election is about the freedom of Americans to think for themselves without the threat of death stifling them. Please vote for Trump as he seems to be the only one ready to protect the cornerstone of the U.S.A. and democracy, freedom of speech.
Other than this one issue, Americans would be quite foolish to not elect Bernie Sanders. A moral man. Something rare in politics.
Regards
DL
P.S
Yes I recognize that the left wing of Islam is worthy of us in the West, but there is no way to weed out the left from the tyrannical right and so the whole religion should be banned in the U.S., the same way some other countries are beginning to do.
Well, ya lost me at "Trump is right...."
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
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Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
Gnostic Christian Bishop;1490524 wrote: Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A...
Actually, since we enshrine freedom of religion here, anyone's religion, Islam does belong in America. Along with Buddhism, Catholicism, Mormonism, and every other "ism" in the world. As a matter of fact, the Pilgrims came to America for just that reason. Unless you understand that basic premise, you should definitely not call yourself an American.
Oh, and stating, "Trump is right," about anything really makes me doubt whatever follows...
Actually, since we enshrine freedom of religion here, anyone's religion, Islam does belong in America. Along with Buddhism, Catholicism, Mormonism, and every other "ism" in the world. As a matter of fact, the Pilgrims came to America for just that reason. Unless you understand that basic premise, you should definitely not call yourself an American.
Oh, and stating, "Trump is right," about anything really makes me doubt whatever follows...
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Isn't gcb/dl Canadian?
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superhorn;1498168 wrote: America is the most religiously diverse nation on earth , and the most religiously diverse in world history . The U.S. Constitution grants every American the right too follow any religion, as well as the right not to follow any religion at all . This applies to all non-citizens living in America .
We cannot deny anyone the right to come to America, whether to live or to visit ,based on religion . The overwhelming majority of the Muslims living in America are peaceful and law-abiding, and are not a threat to anyone here . Sharia is NOT coming to America , and while Muslims in America have the right to practice Islam, our government is nOT allowing them to impose their religion on anyone else, the same as with every other religion .
The real threat to America is CHRISTIAN Sharia, which the religious right is determined to impose on this country , and fanatic Christians are in fact much more dangerous to America than Muslims, because they operate right in our own backyard .
Donald Trump is fanning the flames of Anti-Muslim bigotry in America, which is absolutely despicable, and totally unworthy of anyone who seeks the presidency .
Islam and Sharia are the most immoral religious and political ideologies in the world at present.
Is it not the job of governments to keep unsuitable ideologies out of their country?
Look about at other E U nations adjusting their policies to keep immoral Islam and Sharia ideologies out of their countries.
You cry for the minorities being oppressed when they are the majorities playing their victim cards.
Here. Learn a bot about what you are trying to protect, which onoy an immoral person would do.
Regards
DL
We cannot deny anyone the right to come to America, whether to live or to visit ,based on religion . The overwhelming majority of the Muslims living in America are peaceful and law-abiding, and are not a threat to anyone here . Sharia is NOT coming to America , and while Muslims in America have the right to practice Islam, our government is nOT allowing them to impose their religion on anyone else, the same as with every other religion .
The real threat to America is CHRISTIAN Sharia, which the religious right is determined to impose on this country , and fanatic Christians are in fact much more dangerous to America than Muslims, because they operate right in our own backyard .
Donald Trump is fanning the flames of Anti-Muslim bigotry in America, which is absolutely despicable, and totally unworthy of anyone who seeks the presidency .
Islam and Sharia are the most immoral religious and political ideologies in the world at present.
Is it not the job of governments to keep unsuitable ideologies out of their country?
Look about at other E U nations adjusting their policies to keep immoral Islam and Sharia ideologies out of their countries.
You cry for the minorities being oppressed when they are the majorities playing their victim cards.
Here. Learn a bot about what you are trying to protect, which onoy an immoral person would do.
Regards
DL
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Ted;1498173 wrote: I can agree with Trump on that one. However If I were an American he would never get my vote. He is a dangerous man as far as I'm concerned.
Not as dangerous to the West as Sharia and Islam.
True that he could be dangerous but the government is under the presidents power as it is owned by oligarch owners who are really in control of things.
The talking heads they allow are just that, talking heads, whose words are from his owners mind and not his own.
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Not as dangerous to the West as Sharia and Islam.
True that he could be dangerous but the government is under the presidents power as it is owned by oligarch owners who are really in control of things.
The talking heads they allow are just that, talking heads, whose words are from his owners mind and not his own.
Regards
DL
Trump is right. Islam and Sharia do not belong is the U.S.A..
Gnostic Christian Bishop;1498228 wrote: Islam and Sharia are the most immoral religious and political ideologies in the world at present.
Is it not the job of governments to keep unsuitable ideologies out of their country?
Look about at other E U nations adjusting their policies to keep immoral Islam and Sharia ideologies out of their countries.
You cry for the minorities being oppressed when they are the majorities playing their victim cards.
Here. Learn a bot about what you are trying to protect, which onoy an immoral person would do.
Regards
DL
Oh, BS. And if you can't make your point without YouTube, you have no valid point.
Is it not the job of governments to keep unsuitable ideologies out of their country?
Look about at other E U nations adjusting their policies to keep immoral Islam and Sharia ideologies out of their countries.
You cry for the minorities being oppressed when they are the majorities playing their victim cards.
Here. Learn a bot about what you are trying to protect, which onoy an immoral person would do.
Regards
DL
Oh, BS. And if you can't make your point without YouTube, you have no valid point.
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Saint_;1498177 wrote: Actually, since we enshrine freedom of religion here, anyone's religion, Islam does belong in America. Along with Buddhism, Catholicism, Mormonism, and every other "ism" in the world. As a matter of fact, the Pilgrims came to America for just that reason. Unless you understand that basic premise, you should definitely not call yourself an American.
Oh, and stating, "Trump is right," about anything really makes me doubt whatever follows...
Look up Branch Dividian to see what happens when the U.S. government does not like a religion.
We live, supposedly, in democracies and not theologies.
The law of the land trumps any religious belief.
Regards
DL
Oh, and stating, "Trump is right," about anything really makes me doubt whatever follows...
Look up Branch Dividian to see what happens when the U.S. government does not like a religion.
We live, supposedly, in democracies and not theologies.
The law of the land trumps any religious belief.
Regards
DL