Wonder what the result would be in the states, maybe the fundamentalists would recognise the quotes?
Course as an atheist I know that the koran and the old testament are surprisingly similar although it's some years since I sat down and read them.
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gmc;1490296 wrote: Wonder what the result would be in the states, maybe the fundamentalists would recognise the quotes?
First of all. I hate Youtube videos which serve no purpose except to misrepresent.
I only bother to explore the first two quotes. The first one from Leviticus 26.
All it says is keep the commandments and HE will make sure you get proper rain, weather etc. and prosper. Turn your back on him forget those blessings. You will end up with no food. Nobody is going the force you to turn to eating your kids, you will do it on your own.
I see nothing shocking in that at all. It is consistent with how G-d is portrayed in the Torah.
The second is from the book of Timothy. I never read it and no idea of the context of context so I'll leave that one alone.
gmc;1490296 wrote: Course as an atheist I know that the koran and the old testament are surprisingly similar although it's some years since I sat down and read them.
The only similarity between The Holy Scriptures and Koran is what was plagiarized from the Bible and inserted in the Koran.
First of all. I hate Youtube videos which serve no purpose except to misrepresent.
I only bother to explore the first two quotes. The first one from Leviticus 26.
All it says is keep the commandments and HE will make sure you get proper rain, weather etc. and prosper. Turn your back on him forget those blessings. You will end up with no food. Nobody is going the force you to turn to eating your kids, you will do it on your own.
I see nothing shocking in that at all. It is consistent with how G-d is portrayed in the Torah.
The second is from the book of Timothy. I never read it and no idea of the context of context so I'll leave that one alone.
gmc;1490296 wrote: Course as an atheist I know that the koran and the old testament are surprisingly similar although it's some years since I sat down and read them.
The only similarity between The Holy Scriptures and Koran is what was plagiarized from the Bible and inserted in the Koran.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1490297 wrote: First of all. I hate Youtube videos which serve no purpose except to misrepresent.
I only bother to explore the first two quotes. The first one from Leviticus 26.
All it says is keep the commandments and HE will make sure you get proper rain, weather etc. and prosper. Turn your back on him forget those blessings. You will end up with no food. Nobody is going the force you to turn to eating your kids, you will do it on your own.
I see nothing shocking in that at all. It is consistent with how G-d is portrayed in the Torah.
The second is from the book of Timothy. I never read it and no idea of the context of context so I'll leave that one alone.
The only similarity between The Holy Scriptures and Koran is what was plagiarized from the Bible and inserted in the Koran.
you really miss the point don't you it wasn't about the content ios the quotes per se theyn think they are being quoted bits from the koran. What do you think was misrepresented? You do recognise the bible quotes don't you
Christians are happy to believe the horrors quoted are in the koran and would not be part of the christian bible i'e' nothing to do with christianity. Many christians don't know what is in their own bible but are happy to believe such bigotry and hatred are part of the koran. homosexuality (for instance) is an abomination because their pastor tells them it is - that very quotation is used by the christian right in america to justify hatred the bib le tells them so. .
The only similarity between The Holy Scriptures and Koran is what was plagiarized from the Bible and inserted in the Koran
That's rather my poiint - You are aware of the hypothetical origin of the koran are you not? The koran is not original yet it is supposed to be the word of god given to mohammed. Try pointing that out to a muslim and see how rational a discussion you can have.
I only bother to explore the first two quotes. The first one from Leviticus 26.
All it says is keep the commandments and HE will make sure you get proper rain, weather etc. and prosper. Turn your back on him forget those blessings. You will end up with no food. Nobody is going the force you to turn to eating your kids, you will do it on your own.
I see nothing shocking in that at all. It is consistent with how G-d is portrayed in the Torah.
The second is from the book of Timothy. I never read it and no idea of the context of context so I'll leave that one alone.
The only similarity between The Holy Scriptures and Koran is what was plagiarized from the Bible and inserted in the Koran.
you really miss the point don't you it wasn't about the content ios the quotes per se theyn think they are being quoted bits from the koran. What do you think was misrepresented? You do recognise the bible quotes don't you
Christians are happy to believe the horrors quoted are in the koran and would not be part of the christian bible i'e' nothing to do with christianity. Many christians don't know what is in their own bible but are happy to believe such bigotry and hatred are part of the koran. homosexuality (for instance) is an abomination because their pastor tells them it is - that very quotation is used by the christian right in america to justify hatred the bib le tells them so. .
The only similarity between The Holy Scriptures and Koran is what was plagiarized from the Bible and inserted in the Koran
That's rather my poiint - You are aware of the hypothetical origin of the koran are you not? The koran is not original yet it is supposed to be the word of god given to mohammed. Try pointing that out to a muslim and see how rational a discussion you can have.
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gmc;1490298 wrote: Try pointing that out to a Muslim and see how rational a discussion you can have.
@gmc You have been talking to a Jew who mentioned his Holy book,the Torah.............and got the same irrational reaction
@gmc You have been talking to a Jew who mentioned his Holy book,the Torah.............and got the same irrational reaction
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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gmc;1490298 wrote: I only bother to explore the first two quotes. The first one from Leviticus 26.
All it says is keep the commandments and HE will make sure you get proper rain, weather etc. and prosper. Turn your back on him forget those blessings. You will end up with no food. Nobody is going the force you to turn to eating your kids, you will do it on your own.
I see nothing shocking in that at all. It is consistent with how G-d is portrayed in the Torah.
The second is from the book of Timothy. I never read it and no idea of the context of context so I'll leave that one alone.
The only similarity between The Holy Scriptures and Koran is what was plagiarized from the Bible and inserted in the Koran.
gmc;1490298 wrote: you really miss the point don't you it wasn't about the content ios the quotes per se theyn think they are being quoted bits from the koran. What do you think was misrepresented? You do recognise the bible quotes don't you
Content out of context knowing it would find disapproval from the typical person who hasn't a clue. Some experiment. I mean, really?
gmc;1490298 wrote: Christians are happy to believe the horrors quoted are in the koran and would not be part of the christian bible i'e' nothing to do with christianity. Many christians don't know what is in their own bible but are happy to believe such bigotry and hatred are part of the koran. homosexuality (for instance) is an abomination because their pastor tells them it is - that very quotation is used by the christian right in america to justify hatred the bib le tells them so. .
You are entitled to your personal bigotry.
gmc;1490298 wrote: That's rather my poiint - You are aware of the hypothetical origin of the koran are you not? The koran is not original yet it is supposed to be the word of god given to mohammed. Try pointing that out to a muslim and see how rational a discussion you can have.
It is not to me to explain to somebody their own religion. Heck, it was probably something just like that which set off that guy who shot all those people in San Bernadino, Ca. Before you go off on that it was reported that that killer just had a heated discussion on religion and was pissed off big time.
I realize most non-Muslims, I included never read the Koran or have any grounding in that text. I also realize that there are those who take quotes out of context from both the Hebrew Scripture and Koran to make a point.
It was obvious. At the beginning, I had a sneaky suspicion it was going to choose some seemingly horrible quote from the Bible expecting those asked to say it was Koranic.
All it says is keep the commandments and HE will make sure you get proper rain, weather etc. and prosper. Turn your back on him forget those blessings. You will end up with no food. Nobody is going the force you to turn to eating your kids, you will do it on your own.
I see nothing shocking in that at all. It is consistent with how G-d is portrayed in the Torah.
The second is from the book of Timothy. I never read it and no idea of the context of context so I'll leave that one alone.
The only similarity between The Holy Scriptures and Koran is what was plagiarized from the Bible and inserted in the Koran.
gmc;1490298 wrote: you really miss the point don't you it wasn't about the content ios the quotes per se theyn think they are being quoted bits from the koran. What do you think was misrepresented? You do recognise the bible quotes don't you
Content out of context knowing it would find disapproval from the typical person who hasn't a clue. Some experiment. I mean, really?
gmc;1490298 wrote: Christians are happy to believe the horrors quoted are in the koran and would not be part of the christian bible i'e' nothing to do with christianity. Many christians don't know what is in their own bible but are happy to believe such bigotry and hatred are part of the koran. homosexuality (for instance) is an abomination because their pastor tells them it is - that very quotation is used by the christian right in america to justify hatred the bib le tells them so. .
You are entitled to your personal bigotry.
gmc;1490298 wrote: That's rather my poiint - You are aware of the hypothetical origin of the koran are you not? The koran is not original yet it is supposed to be the word of god given to mohammed. Try pointing that out to a muslim and see how rational a discussion you can have.
It is not to me to explain to somebody their own religion. Heck, it was probably something just like that which set off that guy who shot all those people in San Bernadino, Ca. Before you go off on that it was reported that that killer just had a heated discussion on religion and was pissed off big time.
I realize most non-Muslims, I included never read the Koran or have any grounding in that text. I also realize that there are those who take quotes out of context from both the Hebrew Scripture and Koran to make a point.
It was obvious. At the beginning, I had a sneaky suspicion it was going to choose some seemingly horrible quote from the Bible expecting those asked to say it was Koranic.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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The Qu'ran & the Bible are just branches from the same tree. They have the same characters, albeit often known by different names. The only real difference between them is their interpretation.
Take all the different versions of the Bible, as we know it. You could say that each & every one of those has been plagiarised, yet each one of them purports to the the 'True' word of God.
The point of the experiment is valid. When they are presented with a quote from the Bible, believing it to be from the Qu'ran, they are not surprised, as they already have a prejudiced attitude that expects such abhorrent quotes to be found there, but they don't expect it of their own Holy Book. The experiment isn't so much a dig at the Religious side of things, but at people's attitudes & misconceptions. You could probably put passages from Origin of Species into some Creationist book's cover & vice versa & get a similar response.
Take all the different versions of the Bible, as we know it. You could say that each & every one of those has been plagiarised, yet each one of them purports to the the 'True' word of God.
The point of the experiment is valid. When they are presented with a quote from the Bible, believing it to be from the Qu'ran, they are not surprised, as they already have a prejudiced attitude that expects such abhorrent quotes to be found there, but they don't expect it of their own Holy Book. The experiment isn't so much a dig at the Religious side of things, but at people's attitudes & misconceptions. You could probably put passages from Origin of Species into some Creationist book's cover & vice versa & get a similar response.
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FourPart;1490301 wrote: The Qu'ran & the Bible are just branches from the same tree. They have the same characters, albeit often known by different names. The only real difference between them is their interpretation.
Muslims took the characters from the Bible and wrote their own book. It bares no more relation than the Book of Mormon.
FourPart;1490301 wrote: Take all the different versions of the Bible, as we know it. You could say that each & every one of those has been plagiarised, yet each one of them purports to the the 'True' word of God.
Most of the different versions I know of are due to translation differences. I don't know about anyothers.
FourPart;1490301 wrote: The point of the experiment is valid. When they are presented with a quote from the Bible, believing it to be from the Qu'ran, they are not surprised, as they already have a prejudiced attitude that expects such abhorrent quotes to be found there, but they don't expect it of their own Holy Book.
Yea, I saw what was going on. Seeing radical Muslims and some of the things they are doing in the name of Islam would lead to that kind of attitude. It doesn't help that on an occasion somebody publically misquotes the Koran.
FourPart;1490301 wrote: The experiment isn't so much a dig at the Religious side of things, but at people's attitudes & misconceptions. You could probably put passages from Origin of Species into some Creationist book's cover & vice versa & get a similar response.
Muslims took the characters from the Bible and wrote their own book. It bares no more relation than the Book of Mormon.
FourPart;1490301 wrote: Take all the different versions of the Bible, as we know it. You could say that each & every one of those has been plagiarised, yet each one of them purports to the the 'True' word of God.
Most of the different versions I know of are due to translation differences. I don't know about anyothers.
FourPart;1490301 wrote: The point of the experiment is valid. When they are presented with a quote from the Bible, believing it to be from the Qu'ran, they are not surprised, as they already have a prejudiced attitude that expects such abhorrent quotes to be found there, but they don't expect it of their own Holy Book.
Yea, I saw what was going on. Seeing radical Muslims and some of the things they are doing in the name of Islam would lead to that kind of attitude. It doesn't help that on an occasion somebody publically misquotes the Koran.
FourPart;1490301 wrote: The experiment isn't so much a dig at the Religious side of things, but at people's attitudes & misconceptions. You could probably put passages from Origin of Species into some Creationist book's cover & vice versa & get a similar response.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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Most of the stories in the Bible are found to be in most Holy Books of other Religions, under different names. You get similarities in all kinds of folklore & legend. When stories are spread by word of mouth, crossing boundaries you are bound to get discrepancies & interpretation differences as well. Bear in mind these aren't books that were written, then published with stories unheard of before their release. They are just compendiums of stories that already existed, and not one of them has the right to claim ownership. It's like me putting together a book of Nursery Rhymes & then claiming that to be the absolute original & definitive version of those rhymes.
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tude dog;1490300 wrote: Heck, it was probably something just like that which set off that guy who shot all those people in San Bernadino, Ca. Before you go off on that it was reported that that killer just had a heated discussion on religion and was pissed off big time.
Kinda proves the point ?
Kinda proves the point ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1490308 wrote: Kinda proves the point ?
Muslims are hot headed murdering bastards?
Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
That's rather my poiint - You are aware of the hypothetical origin of the koran are you not? The koran is not original yet it is supposed to be the word of god given to mohammed. Try pointing that out to a muslim and see how rational a discussion you can have.
Quote tude dog
It is not to me to explain to somebody their own religion. Heck, it was probably something just like that which set off that guy who shot all those people in San Bernadino, Ca. Before you go off on that it was reported that that killer just had a heated discussion on religion and was pissed off big time.
Muslims are hot headed murdering bastards?
Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
That's rather my poiint - You are aware of the hypothetical origin of the koran are you not? The koran is not original yet it is supposed to be the word of god given to mohammed. Try pointing that out to a muslim and see how rational a discussion you can have.
Quote tude dog
It is not to me to explain to somebody their own religion. Heck, it was probably something just like that which set off that guy who shot all those people in San Bernadino, Ca. Before you go off on that it was reported that that killer just had a heated discussion on religion and was pissed off big time.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1490319 wrote: Muslims are hot headed murdering bastards?
No !!!
That when religion clouds your mind, Christians Jews, or Muslims get irrational.......even to the edge of sanity.
No !!!
That when religion clouds your mind, Christians Jews, or Muslims get irrational.......even to the edge of sanity.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1490299 wrote: @gmc You have been talking to a Jew who mentioned his Holy book,the Torah.............and got the same irrational reaction
You've lost me there. Who is the jew I've been talking to?
You are entitled to your personal bigotry.
Thank you and you are entitled to yours.
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Content out of context knowing it would find disapproval from the typical person who hasn't a clue. Some experiment. I mean, really?
The point of the experiment was to highlight how people will take on board characterisations of religions without actually checking for themselves. You're right the typical person hasn't a clue they just believe what they're told. Just as they used to believe all the characterisation of jews back in the thirties.
Muslims took the characters from the Bible and wrote their own book. It bares no more relation than the Book of Mormon.
That would get you stoned to death as a heretic in saudi arabia.
I actually agree with you there. The similarities dawned on me when I read it (the koran) as a teenager. If you're interested you can find out how, when and why the bible so many think is the unaltered word of god was carefully doctored. A lot of people just don't want to know or think about it.
Joseph smith he heard voices as well so I suppose he and mohamid have a lot in common. Scientology is the one the that really flabbergasts me. Ron hubbard made no secret of the fact he was creating a religion why does anyone follow it. come to that why is it classed as a relgion in the first place.
It is not to me to explain to somebody their own religion. Heck, it was probably something just like that which set off that guy who shot all those people in San Bernadino, Ca. Before you go off on that it was reported that that killer just had a heated discussion on religion and was pissed off big time.
I don't actually know what your religion is. It's of interest on so far as knowing might help me understand where you cominjg from as it were. It's not only muslims who get pissed off and think no one should question their beliefs no one would if the godly just kept their beliefs out of politics and stopped trying to tell everybody how to live theior lives. .
Posted by tude dog
Most of the different versions I know of are due to translation differences. I don't know about anyothers.
You jest surely. Take for instance the ten commandments - catholics and protestants have different versions.
What's the Difference Between the Roman Catholic and Protestant Versions of the Ten Commandments?
First link I came across and I don't feel like rummaging so my apologies I think it's an evangelical site but it make the main points quite well. There are many differences in the various versions of the bible that have bugger all to do with translation.
Having had the dubious privilege of growing up in sectarian scotland I found myself at a tender age wondering why I was not supposed to speak to catholics it's what sparked my interest in finding out what it was all about. I could go in to really boring detail about it but I'm not going to. Protestant/ catholic do you really think it's all just a difference in translation?
There has only ever been one catholic president and he got assassinated though I don't think that was religiously motivated. But since a quarter of the population are catholic (maybe more now due to the influx of so many south americans) it's an interesting fact.
You've lost me there. Who is the jew I've been talking to?
You are entitled to your personal bigotry.
Thank you and you are entitled to yours.
Posted by tude dog
Content out of context knowing it would find disapproval from the typical person who hasn't a clue. Some experiment. I mean, really?
The point of the experiment was to highlight how people will take on board characterisations of religions without actually checking for themselves. You're right the typical person hasn't a clue they just believe what they're told. Just as they used to believe all the characterisation of jews back in the thirties.
Muslims took the characters from the Bible and wrote their own book. It bares no more relation than the Book of Mormon.
That would get you stoned to death as a heretic in saudi arabia.
I actually agree with you there. The similarities dawned on me when I read it (the koran) as a teenager. If you're interested you can find out how, when and why the bible so many think is the unaltered word of god was carefully doctored. A lot of people just don't want to know or think about it.
Joseph smith he heard voices as well so I suppose he and mohamid have a lot in common. Scientology is the one the that really flabbergasts me. Ron hubbard made no secret of the fact he was creating a religion why does anyone follow it. come to that why is it classed as a relgion in the first place.
It is not to me to explain to somebody their own religion. Heck, it was probably something just like that which set off that guy who shot all those people in San Bernadino, Ca. Before you go off on that it was reported that that killer just had a heated discussion on religion and was pissed off big time.
I don't actually know what your religion is. It's of interest on so far as knowing might help me understand where you cominjg from as it were. It's not only muslims who get pissed off and think no one should question their beliefs no one would if the godly just kept their beliefs out of politics and stopped trying to tell everybody how to live theior lives. .
Posted by tude dog
Most of the different versions I know of are due to translation differences. I don't know about anyothers.
You jest surely. Take for instance the ten commandments - catholics and protestants have different versions.
What's the Difference Between the Roman Catholic and Protestant Versions of the Ten Commandments?
First link I came across and I don't feel like rummaging so my apologies I think it's an evangelical site but it make the main points quite well. There are many differences in the various versions of the bible that have bugger all to do with translation.
Having had the dubious privilege of growing up in sectarian scotland I found myself at a tender age wondering why I was not supposed to speak to catholics it's what sparked my interest in finding out what it was all about. I could go in to really boring detail about it but I'm not going to. Protestant/ catholic do you really think it's all just a difference in translation?
There has only ever been one catholic president and he got assassinated though I don't think that was religiously motivated. But since a quarter of the population are catholic (maybe more now due to the influx of so many south americans) it's an interesting fact.
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You've lost me there. Who is the jew I've been talking to?
Mr Tude Dog, not me.
Mr Tude Dog, not me.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Uh oh. Tude, you've been exposed!!!!!!!!!!
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AnneBoleyn;1490342 wrote: Uh oh. Tude, you've been exposed!!!!!!!!!!
Revealed please, exposed seems mucky.
Revealed please, exposed seems mucky.
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Bruv;1490348 wrote: Revealed please, exposed seems mucky.
It once, not so long ago, was mucky, as it, in many instances, led to deaths.
It once, not so long ago, was mucky, as it, in many instances, led to deaths.
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Bruv;1490337 wrote: Mr Tude Dog, not me.
You know i don't really care what religion he is or anyone else for that matter. At least he has an opinion and will express it. I find the subject matter interesting and like talking about it and yes i do like to poke a little but I ignore posters that just talk to themselves and I find many religious people don't actually know the background to their own belief system. I know protestants who can give you chapter and verse on what is wrong with catholicism and why they need to defend their faith against them and most of the religious thugs I have met are of that ilk happily as part of my culture it's rather dying the death. Bigots never see themselves as bigots it's always the other faiths that are intolerant. The unco guid are ever present and sticking their oar in miserable ba====s the lot of them.
You know i don't really care what religion he is or anyone else for that matter. At least he has an opinion and will express it. I find the subject matter interesting and like talking about it and yes i do like to poke a little but I ignore posters that just talk to themselves and I find many religious people don't actually know the background to their own belief system. I know protestants who can give you chapter and verse on what is wrong with catholicism and why they need to defend their faith against them and most of the religious thugs I have met are of that ilk happily as part of my culture it's rather dying the death. Bigots never see themselves as bigots it's always the other faiths that are intolerant. The unco guid are ever present and sticking their oar in miserable ba====s the lot of them.