Creation Myths vs. Evolutionary Stories

[CVX]

Blake’s vision vs. “Newton’s sleep,” or ... Would William Blake and Albert Einstein have been pals had they had a chance to meet?



Read more:

http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modu ... =0&thold=0

[Atlynox]

Albert Einstein was a philosopher, as well as a scientist, who based much of his thinking on the premise that God would not “play dice with the universe.”


I think Einstein statement will come back as a new understanding of the new things to come. The problems to solve the unified theory were Hawkings is working on and the M-theory of Witten and al the various string theories will show that there is indeed order after the quantum state of particles. Take for instance the cosmologic constance and the unbalance of super symmetry. The questions about dark matter and the zero point energy. There are a lot of scientists (2004) who think that everything in the multi-universe is connected and that higher dimensions influence the fermions and bosons and all the particles which will be detected at CERN, Switzerland in 2005. There is an understanding that there is some kind of intelligence (meby morphogenic fields or informationstreams) coming in from an higher level. Something we don’t know at this time (2004). I think that Blake had a good notion of the state of nature as well as Einstein. And Teilhard de Chardin will meby be studied again because evolution is not standing on it’s own as Darwin said, but is connected to a higher cause.

Meby an interesting astrophysicist who is writing poetry also, is Attila Grandpierre from Hongary.

http://grandpierre.zenenet.hu/ag_english.html

Atlynox

[capt_buzzard]

plazul wrote: Lots of people think that when humans achieve enlightenment it is a moment of absolute symmetry or a sort of grand unified moment. And some religions teach that there is a higher consciousness guiding the universe so maybe the sages of old have something in common with our greatest physicists.

Whatever the answer is, I believe it is profoundly simple.


Full marks Plazul :-6

[Atlynox]

I think that all the arts (specially fantasy) without powerstructures can provail humanity to a higher cause. Mankind has to study again. So the integration of cultures with intelligence that Elhohim calls live (from micro to macro) and matter has memoryinformation to reach the other day.

So Carpe Diem. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Be and See

[Ted]

It is a most interesting article. Presently I am reading two books on quantum theory; one dealing strictly with quantum physics and the other called "Quantum Theology.

I do agree that Blake and Einstein would probably have gotten along quite well.

I am a Christian Pluralist and see both science and religion moving ever closer together and I find that very intriguing. In fact the book on qunatum theology says that the circle of believing in philosophy, theology and science which began centuries ago has gone round and we are now beginning to see the three systems of knowlege coming togethr again.

Shalom

Ted :-6

[koan]

I think science and religion at some point have to agree as I strongly believe that everything is connected. That people are starting to look at finding the similarities instead of focusing on differences is a great inspiration.

[Ted]

koan :-6

That is precisely what we are learning from quantum theory. We are all part of the whole and not just a part of a "machine". In fact they are now talking about the life force that is behind all being. This is not far removed from what modern theologians have be talking about.

Once again, we are into an area where the only language that helps us to understand is metaphor and that includes quantum theory. I find that rather interesting. It has only served to strenghten my own personal faith. This of course ought not to be seen as a comment on anyone else's path. It is a comment on mine alone.

Shalom

Ted :-6

[Suresh Gupta]

What is the difference between myths & stories, and creation & evolution?

[Ted]

Suresh Gupta :-6

An excellent question. I await the answer with some interest.

Shalom

Ted :-6

[koan]

I'll try, though it might be just a starting point.

A myth is a story that attempts to explain a universal phenomenon or experience. It usually employs personification of the non human into human form in order to identify with the subject and tends to have staying power whereas a story may be good but it fades from memory with the passage of time. I wonder how long a story must exist before it is deemed a myth.

Creation implies a force that puts existence on the earthly plane into motion. Evolution is meant to imply that science or the laws of nature are the cause of existence. I say meant to imply because if something evolves what did it evolve from and how did that get there. As I apparently ascribe to creation theory, it may take an evolutionist to refine that side of the definition more accurately.

[Suresh Gupta]

Koan,

A nice answer. Let some more answers come then we will compile them and analyze.

[Ted]

Evolution would be the theory that all of life has evolved from a single cell that was originally "created".

Shalom

Ted :-6