katsung47;1477650 wrote: I think I would never have known there's a sleep wave if they had used that improved technique(gradually go in sleep) nine years ago.
The only reason I know it is because I sat in the same sofa nine years ago .... and I just woke up. There's cheaper version of it called the "Seven Year Settee" but it'll only put you to sleep for 6 years . Or is it 7?
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
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Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
The plane flew into a war zone along a non-standard flight path. It got shot down as a result. Where's the mystery? Where's the conspiracy?
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
FourPart;1477254 wrote: Maybe it should be the Crew's Control?
I do like that, FourPart ! :yh_rotfl
I do like that, FourPart ! :yh_rotfl
I'm a Saga-lout, growing old disgracefully
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
Jr. Kennedy died in similar way.
I had posted a comment about JFK’s death in Yahoo news. Several minutes later, my comment disappeared from the news comment. I put it here.
People fall into the trap the mastermind set up for you. Oswald, Johnson, Mafia, Castro¦.. Did they have ability to organize such a big plot? Think bigger. It is an organization that controls Secret Service, media, lawmakers, police force. That’s why after 50 years, people are still lose in dense fog.
1. Warren Commission was used to cover up the plot. Just like 911 commission used to cover up the truth of 911 attack.
2. Kill Kennedy family members to prevent them to re-gain political power to start a real investigation of J.F.K.’s death.
Robert Kennedy was assassinated when he joined the president campaign. Edward Kennedy suffered a scandal attack and had to drop the president campaign.
I also allege Kennedy’s wife Jacqueline Kennedy and his son John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Jr. were murdered because they had great political influence. I believe their death had connection to my story.
In early 1990s when I was still very innocent about US political system and believed it was a democratic society, I complained to a lot of people that I had become a murder target of the Feds. Then the Feds had a message to me: “So what, they (the Feds) even killed President Kennedy. (see “17. They killed President Kennedy) The intimidation hadn’t stopped my complaint but added “they killed President Kennedy to the story.
As the Feds intensified the persecution, I left US twice. Each time Kennedy family lost an important member.
1. I left for China in 1994. Jacqueline died after I planned the China trip. I started to suspect it might relate to the intimidation from the Feds. It was too coincident.
2. Next time it was 1999 when I went to Hong Kong and planned to drift into South East Asia. I learned the death of Jr. Kennedy. It convinced my allegation – the Feds worry that I would reveal their crime of murdering President Kennedy, in abroad they were not able to control the media as they did in domestic US. To prevent a possible reaction from Kennedy family, they kill the main figures of the family in advance.
Edward Kennedy and Jacqueline Kennedy died of cancer. In my description, there were many murdering method through slow poison. The victim targeted were fed to sick gradually, when the time coming they only need to increase the dose to make the death like a natural one.
Jr. Kennedy was too young to die in this way. So he died in an accident. Long time ago when I started to learn something about the E.M. sleep wave, I had read such a news. Air Force lost a plane in a train. The commander center lost its trace. Sometime later, they found the wreckage in a far, far away mountain area. Apparently, the plane exhausted all its fuel and crashed there. Since the pilot was a black man. I thought it was a test to use sleep wave instrument as a weapon. When the pilot felt sleepy, he opened auto pilot instrument. He took a nod, hoping it could help him to overcome the sleepy but could never wake up. The sleeping wave was irresistible – to my experience. If you are driving a car, you may park your car at roadside before you go to sleep, but you can’t park a plane in the air.
I think Jr. Kennedy died in a similar murder plot.
I had posted a comment about JFK’s death in Yahoo news. Several minutes later, my comment disappeared from the news comment. I put it here.
People fall into the trap the mastermind set up for you. Oswald, Johnson, Mafia, Castro¦.. Did they have ability to organize such a big plot? Think bigger. It is an organization that controls Secret Service, media, lawmakers, police force. That’s why after 50 years, people are still lose in dense fog.
1. Warren Commission was used to cover up the plot. Just like 911 commission used to cover up the truth of 911 attack.
2. Kill Kennedy family members to prevent them to re-gain political power to start a real investigation of J.F.K.’s death.
Robert Kennedy was assassinated when he joined the president campaign. Edward Kennedy suffered a scandal attack and had to drop the president campaign.
I also allege Kennedy’s wife Jacqueline Kennedy and his son John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Jr. were murdered because they had great political influence. I believe their death had connection to my story.
In early 1990s when I was still very innocent about US political system and believed it was a democratic society, I complained to a lot of people that I had become a murder target of the Feds. Then the Feds had a message to me: “So what, they (the Feds) even killed President Kennedy. (see “17. They killed President Kennedy) The intimidation hadn’t stopped my complaint but added “they killed President Kennedy to the story.
As the Feds intensified the persecution, I left US twice. Each time Kennedy family lost an important member.
1. I left for China in 1994. Jacqueline died after I planned the China trip. I started to suspect it might relate to the intimidation from the Feds. It was too coincident.
2. Next time it was 1999 when I went to Hong Kong and planned to drift into South East Asia. I learned the death of Jr. Kennedy. It convinced my allegation – the Feds worry that I would reveal their crime of murdering President Kennedy, in abroad they were not able to control the media as they did in domestic US. To prevent a possible reaction from Kennedy family, they kill the main figures of the family in advance.
Edward Kennedy and Jacqueline Kennedy died of cancer. In my description, there were many murdering method through slow poison. The victim targeted were fed to sick gradually, when the time coming they only need to increase the dose to make the death like a natural one.
Jr. Kennedy was too young to die in this way. So he died in an accident. Long time ago when I started to learn something about the E.M. sleep wave, I had read such a news. Air Force lost a plane in a train. The commander center lost its trace. Sometime later, they found the wreckage in a far, far away mountain area. Apparently, the plane exhausted all its fuel and crashed there. Since the pilot was a black man. I thought it was a test to use sleep wave instrument as a weapon. When the pilot felt sleepy, he opened auto pilot instrument. He took a nod, hoping it could help him to overcome the sleepy but could never wake up. The sleeping wave was irresistible – to my experience. If you are driving a car, you may park your car at roadside before you go to sleep, but you can’t park a plane in the air.
I think Jr. Kennedy died in a similar murder plot.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
The reason your post would have been deleted elsewhere is more likely because, if they're anything like the ones you make here, nearly all them are foundless, in extremely bad taste & libelous. Therefore, the administration of any forum that allowed your crap to remain could be held liable for your libels.
Even if your allegations were plausible, without evidence they can still be classed as libelous. None of your posts provide evidence, just wild speculation & such behaviour is simply not acceptable.
Even if your allegations were plausible, without evidence they can still be classed as libelous. None of your posts provide evidence, just wild speculation & such behaviour is simply not acceptable.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
There's 18 forums out there carrying that post.
It's a more interesting one though, it's first-person. Katsung, would you like to post a short autobiography of yourself on ForumGarden so we have a better idea of your life experiences? That would give us a better basis for deciding how reliable your testimony is.
I worked my way through a remarkably good biography of the chap who stopped the Warren Commission returning a finding of multiple shooters. It was by Kai Bird and called "The Chairman: John J. McCloy and the Making of the American Establishment" and it may have been the best biography I've ever red. He had one about the Bundy brothers too, which was another must-reed.
Katsung, what makes you think the patterns you recognize in the world around you are really there, and not merely the consequence of paranoid schizophrenia? You must know that you're making associations which reasonable people find impossible to argue for.
It's a more interesting one though, it's first-person. Katsung, would you like to post a short autobiography of yourself on ForumGarden so we have a better idea of your life experiences? That would give us a better basis for deciding how reliable your testimony is.
I worked my way through a remarkably good biography of the chap who stopped the Warren Commission returning a finding of multiple shooters. It was by Kai Bird and called "The Chairman: John J. McCloy and the Making of the American Establishment" and it may have been the best biography I've ever red. He had one about the Bundy brothers too, which was another must-reed.
Katsung, what makes you think the patterns you recognize in the world around you are really there, and not merely the consequence of paranoid schizophrenia? You must know that you're making associations which reasonable people find impossible to argue for.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
katsung47;1478506 wrote: Jr. Kennedy died in similar way.
I had posted a comment about JFK’s death in Yahoo news. Several minutes later, my comment disappeared from the news comment. I put it here.
People fall into the trap the mastermind set up for you. Oswald, Johnson, Mafia, Castro¦.. Did they have ability to organize such a big plot? Think bigger. It is an organization that controls Secret Service, media, lawmakers, police force. That’s why after 50 years, people are still lose in dense fog.
1. Warren Commission was used to cover up the plot. Just like 911 commission used to cover up the truth of 911 attack.
2. Kill Kennedy family members to prevent them to re-gain political power to start a real investigation of J.F.K.’s death.
Robert Kennedy was assassinated when he joined the president campaign. Edward Kennedy suffered a scandal attack and had to drop the president campaign.
I also allege Kennedy’s wife Jacqueline Kennedy and his son John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Jr. were murdered because they had great political influence. I believe their death had connection to my story.
In early 1990s when I was still very innocent about US political system and believed it was a democratic society, I complained to a lot of people that I had become a murder target of the Feds. Then the Feds had a message to me: “So what, they (the Feds) even killed President Kennedy. (see “17. They killed President Kennedy) The intimidation hadn’t stopped my complaint but added “they killed President Kennedy to the story.
As the Feds intensified the persecution, I left US twice. Each time Kennedy family lost an important member.
1. I left for China in 1994. Jacqueline died after I planned the China trip. I started to suspect it might relate to the intimidation from the Feds. It was too coincident.
2. Next time it was 1999 when I went to Hong Kong and planned to drift into South East Asia. I learned the death of Jr. Kennedy. It convinced my allegation – the Feds worry that I would reveal their crime of murdering President Kennedy, in abroad they were not able to control the media as they did in domestic US. To prevent a possible reaction from Kennedy family, they kill the main figures of the family in advance.
Edward Kennedy and Jacqueline Kennedy died of cancer. In my description, there were many murdering method through slow poison. The victim targeted were fed to sick gradually, when the time coming they only need to increase the dose to make the death like a natural one.
Jr. Kennedy was too young to die in this way. So he died in an accident. Long time ago when I started to learn something about the E.M. sleep wave, I had read such a news. Air Force lost a plane in a train. The commander center lost its trace. Sometime later, they found the wreckage in a far, far away mountain area. Apparently, the plane exhausted all its fuel and crashed there. Since the pilot was a black man. I thought it was a test to use sleep wave instrument as a weapon. When the pilot felt sleepy, he opened auto pilot instrument. He took a nod, hoping it could help him to overcome the sleepy but could never wake up. The sleeping wave was irresistible – to my experience. If you are driving a car, you may park your car at roadside before you go to sleep, but you can’t park a plane in the air.
I think Jr. Kennedy died in a similar murder plot.
Not only libelous, but delusional, in my opinion! Trust me, if "black ops" forces wanted you "quiet", you would'nt be here writing this...BS!!
I had posted a comment about JFK’s death in Yahoo news. Several minutes later, my comment disappeared from the news comment. I put it here.
People fall into the trap the mastermind set up for you. Oswald, Johnson, Mafia, Castro¦.. Did they have ability to organize such a big plot? Think bigger. It is an organization that controls Secret Service, media, lawmakers, police force. That’s why after 50 years, people are still lose in dense fog.
1. Warren Commission was used to cover up the plot. Just like 911 commission used to cover up the truth of 911 attack.
2. Kill Kennedy family members to prevent them to re-gain political power to start a real investigation of J.F.K.’s death.
Robert Kennedy was assassinated when he joined the president campaign. Edward Kennedy suffered a scandal attack and had to drop the president campaign.
I also allege Kennedy’s wife Jacqueline Kennedy and his son John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Jr. were murdered because they had great political influence. I believe their death had connection to my story.
In early 1990s when I was still very innocent about US political system and believed it was a democratic society, I complained to a lot of people that I had become a murder target of the Feds. Then the Feds had a message to me: “So what, they (the Feds) even killed President Kennedy. (see “17. They killed President Kennedy) The intimidation hadn’t stopped my complaint but added “they killed President Kennedy to the story.
As the Feds intensified the persecution, I left US twice. Each time Kennedy family lost an important member.
1. I left for China in 1994. Jacqueline died after I planned the China trip. I started to suspect it might relate to the intimidation from the Feds. It was too coincident.
2. Next time it was 1999 when I went to Hong Kong and planned to drift into South East Asia. I learned the death of Jr. Kennedy. It convinced my allegation – the Feds worry that I would reveal their crime of murdering President Kennedy, in abroad they were not able to control the media as they did in domestic US. To prevent a possible reaction from Kennedy family, they kill the main figures of the family in advance.
Edward Kennedy and Jacqueline Kennedy died of cancer. In my description, there were many murdering method through slow poison. The victim targeted were fed to sick gradually, when the time coming they only need to increase the dose to make the death like a natural one.
Jr. Kennedy was too young to die in this way. So he died in an accident. Long time ago when I started to learn something about the E.M. sleep wave, I had read such a news. Air Force lost a plane in a train. The commander center lost its trace. Sometime later, they found the wreckage in a far, far away mountain area. Apparently, the plane exhausted all its fuel and crashed there. Since the pilot was a black man. I thought it was a test to use sleep wave instrument as a weapon. When the pilot felt sleepy, he opened auto pilot instrument. He took a nod, hoping it could help him to overcome the sleepy but could never wake up. The sleeping wave was irresistible – to my experience. If you are driving a car, you may park your car at roadside before you go to sleep, but you can’t park a plane in the air.
I think Jr. Kennedy died in a similar murder plot.
Not only libelous, but delusional, in my opinion! Trust me, if "black ops" forces wanted you "quiet", you would'nt be here writing this...BS!!
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
spot;1478511 wrote: There's 18 forums out there carrying that post.
It's a more interesting one though, it's first-person. Katsung, would you like to post a short autobiography of yourself on ForumGarden so we have a better idea of your life experiences? That would give us a better basis for deciding how reliable your testimony is.
I worked my way through a remarkably good biography of the chap who stopped the Warren Commission returning a finding of multiple shooters. It was by Kai Bird and called "The Chairman: John J. McCloy and the Making of the American Establishment" and it may have been the best biography I've ever red. He had one about the Bundy brothers too, which was another must-reed.
Katsung, what makes you think the patterns you recognize in the world around you are really there, and not merely the consequence of paranoid schizophrenia? You must know that you're making associations which reasonable people find impossible to argue for.
From EP-3 spy plane to 811 attack
It's a more interesting one though, it's first-person. Katsung, would you like to post a short autobiography of yourself on ForumGarden so we have a better idea of your life experiences? That would give us a better basis for deciding how reliable your testimony is.
I worked my way through a remarkably good biography of the chap who stopped the Warren Commission returning a finding of multiple shooters. It was by Kai Bird and called "The Chairman: John J. McCloy and the Making of the American Establishment" and it may have been the best biography I've ever red. He had one about the Bundy brothers too, which was another must-reed.
Katsung, what makes you think the patterns you recognize in the world around you are really there, and not merely the consequence of paranoid schizophrenia? You must know that you're making associations which reasonable people find impossible to argue for.
From EP-3 spy plane to 811 attack
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
katsung47;1478575 wrote: From EP-3 spy plane to 811 attack
Thank you, I'll be interested to read there from the beginning.
Thank you, I'll be interested to read there from the beginning.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
( ep3, 8/11) The writer shot at with "EM radiation weapons"?? Please....
Wonder if Katsung wrote that article, too!!
Wonder if Katsung wrote that article, too!!
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
Smaug;1478579 wrote: The writer shot at with "EM radiation weapons"?? Please....What's News: Navy Shipboard Laser Operates in Persian Gulf - Office of Naval Research about?
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
spot;1478584 wrote: What's News: Navy Shipboard Laser Operates in Persian Gulf - Office of Naval Research about?
They've been working on various things connected with lasers for some time now. Didn't realise they'd come so far with it, though it's yet to be "time-tested"... as for EM weapons, until I see an official, verifiable report, it's still in the realms of science fantasy....though I understand that the Russkies have had parabolic microwave weapons for some years now...just ask the staff at the US embassy in Moscow! (They thought it was just a "bad building"). This was, admittedly, years ago. Wonder what they're working on now?...
They've been working on various things connected with lasers for some time now. Didn't realise they'd come so far with it, though it's yet to be "time-tested"... as for EM weapons, until I see an official, verifiable report, it's still in the realms of science fantasy....though I understand that the Russkies have had parabolic microwave weapons for some years now...just ask the staff at the US embassy in Moscow! (They thought it was just a "bad building"). This was, admittedly, years ago. Wonder what they're working on now?...
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
I note the "Admin" who posted that thread has only clocked up 84 posts over the past 6 months, when he "Joined" / started the forum.
It also seems very much a co-incidence of this bit, taken from the beginning of the initial nonsensical post...
The murder target is Kat Hak Sung who is a witness of the crime committed by the Feds. It's incredible but it's true. It will expand your view sight when you read all the story.
Hainan Island incident
Are we really to believe that the lunatic ravings from another forum, most likely posted by the same lunatic that linked to it in the first place really has any trace of evidence of such things.
And I see we're back to the Flash Gordon EM Mind Ray again.
By the way - the article refers to a Laser. A Laser is LIGHT. EM is Electro Magnetic - two totally different entities.
It also seems very much a co-incidence of this bit, taken from the beginning of the initial nonsensical post...
The murder target is Kat Hak Sung who is a witness of the crime committed by the Feds. It's incredible but it's true. It will expand your view sight when you read all the story.
Hainan Island incident
Are we really to believe that the lunatic ravings from another forum, most likely posted by the same lunatic that linked to it in the first place really has any trace of evidence of such things.
And I see we're back to the Flash Gordon EM Mind Ray again.
By the way - the article refers to a Laser. A Laser is LIGHT. EM is Electro Magnetic - two totally different entities.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
Smaug;1478585 wrote: as for EM weapons, until I see an official, verifiable report, it's still in the realms of science fantasy....
That was an EM weapon, and it's deployed not merely a work in progress, and the report was on an official US government website. What's missing?
That was an EM weapon, and it's deployed not merely a work in progress, and the report was on an official US government website. What's missing?
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
FourPart;1478586 wrote: By the way - the article refers to a Laser. A Laser is LIGHT. EM is Electro Magnetic - two totally different entities.
We must have passed a different Physics GCSE.
The website katsung pointed to is his own, and he pointed to it because I asked for autobiographical content. He hasn't put a foot wrong, you might try to be more polite to the chap.
We must have passed a different Physics GCSE.
The website katsung pointed to is his own, and he pointed to it because I asked for autobiographical content. He hasn't put a foot wrong, you might try to be more polite to the chap.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
That wasn't autobiographical - it was a duplicate of the drivel he posts here.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
FourPart;1478589 wrote: That wasn't autobiographical - it was a duplicate of the drivel he posts here.
I don't know why you say that - I'm on the site he pointed at, reeding his autobiographical posts.
I don't know why you say that - I'm on the site he pointed at, reeding his autobiographical posts.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
spot how do you know that they are autobiographical ?
I'm a Saga-lout, growing old disgracefully
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
G#Gill;1478596 wrote: spot how do you know that they are autobiographical ?
They sound convincingly factual, some detail can be confirmed from independent sources and they're written in the first person by a named author. The Diaries of Samuel Pepys can claim no better lineage.
They sound convincingly factual, some detail can be confirmed from independent sources and they're written in the first person by a named author. The Diaries of Samuel Pepys can claim no better lineage.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
spot;1478598 wrote: They sound convincingly factual, some detail can be confirmed from independent sources and they're written in the first person by a named author. The Diaries of Samuel Pepys can claim no better lineage.
They may sound convincingly factual, but then P.D.James had that talent with her Dalgliesh books. (sad that she won't be around to write more Dalgliesh crime stories).
They may sound convincingly factual, but then P.D.James had that talent with her Dalgliesh books. (sad that she won't be around to write more Dalgliesh crime stories).
I'm a Saga-lout, growing old disgracefully
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
G#Gill;1478603 wrote: They may sound convincingly factual, but then P.D.James had that talent with her Dalgliesh books. (sad that she won't be around to write more Dalgliesh crime stories).
It's the combination that has the effect, not one bit on its own. Let me try a second time...
They sound convincingly factual AND some detail can be confirmed from independent sources.
Do the "Dalgliesh crime stories" carry detail which can be confirmed from independent sources?
What I meant by "The Diaries of Samuel Pepys can claim no better lineage" is that katsung may be lying, but so did Pepys. Both katsung's material and Pepys' Diary are equally autobiographical in that both sound convincingly factual, in both some detail can be confirmed from independent sources and both are written in the first person by a named author.
It's the combination that has the effect, not one bit on its own. Let me try a second time...
They sound convincingly factual AND some detail can be confirmed from independent sources.
Do the "Dalgliesh crime stories" carry detail which can be confirmed from independent sources?
What I meant by "The Diaries of Samuel Pepys can claim no better lineage" is that katsung may be lying, but so did Pepys. Both katsung's material and Pepys' Diary are equally autobiographical in that both sound convincingly factual, in both some detail can be confirmed from independent sources and both are written in the first person by a named author.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
spot;1478609 wrote: It's the combination that has the effect, not one bit on its own. Let me try a second time...
They sound convincingly factual AND some detail can be confirmed from independent sources.
Do the "Dalgliesh crime stories" carry detail which can be confirmed from independent sources?
What I meant by "The Diaries of Samuel Pepys can claim no better lineage" is that katsung may be lying, but so did Pepys. Both katsung's material and Pepys' Diary are equally autobiographical in that both sound convincingly factual, in both some detail can be confirmed from independent sources and both are written in the first person by a named author.
Sounds like a plausible mixture of fact and fiction, if well written, and the Dalgliesh stories were, it makes for a good tale.
As regards Pepys V Katsung, both accounts are somewhat apocryphal.
They sound convincingly factual AND some detail can be confirmed from independent sources.
Do the "Dalgliesh crime stories" carry detail which can be confirmed from independent sources?
What I meant by "The Diaries of Samuel Pepys can claim no better lineage" is that katsung may be lying, but so did Pepys. Both katsung's material and Pepys' Diary are equally autobiographical in that both sound convincingly factual, in both some detail can be confirmed from independent sources and both are written in the first person by a named author.
Sounds like a plausible mixture of fact and fiction, if well written, and the Dalgliesh stories were, it makes for a good tale.
As regards Pepys V Katsung, both accounts are somewhat apocryphal.
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
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Smaug;1478625 wrote: Sounds like a plausible mixture of fact and fiction, if well written, and the Dalgliesh stories were, it makes for a good tale.
As regards Pepys V Katsung, both accounts are somewhat apocryphal.
For goodness sake, I have no idea why I'm being played around like this. I asked the chap for something autobiographical - not necessarily true, just autobiographical, though I have no reason to doubt a word of it once you get past his idiosyncratic interpretation of what he claims to be real events - and he gave me a link to his autobiography. What's so difficult to comprehend? How on earth can you declare another poster's life story to be "apocryphal"? He's a person, he's got problems enough without you piling in.
As regards Pepys V Katsung, both accounts are somewhat apocryphal.
For goodness sake, I have no idea why I'm being played around like this. I asked the chap for something autobiographical - not necessarily true, just autobiographical, though I have no reason to doubt a word of it once you get past his idiosyncratic interpretation of what he claims to be real events - and he gave me a link to his autobiography. What's so difficult to comprehend? How on earth can you declare another poster's life story to be "apocryphal"? He's a person, he's got problems enough without you piling in.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
spot;1478626 wrote: For goodness sake, I have no idea why I'm being played around like this. I asked the chap for something autobiographical - not necessarily true, just autobiographical, though I have no reason to doubt a word of it once you get past his idiosyncratic interpretation of what he claims to be real events - and he gave me a link to his autobiography. What's so difficult to comprehend? How on earth can you declare another poster's life story to be "apocryphal"? He's a person, he's got problems enough without you piling in.
I'm just trying to be objective here. Anyone can write ANYTHING about themselves, or anything else, but that does not necessarily make it TRUE, does it? Hence I used the word "APOCRYPHAL", not LIE. Merely UNPROVEABLE. And you reckon I' playing you around??? If you wish to believe his account, feel free to do so, it's your choice entirely, but DO NOT reproach others for having their own opinions on a given subject, we all have them, and we're all ENITLED to them, after all, we havn't entered the era of the thought police yet!!
I'm just trying to be objective here. Anyone can write ANYTHING about themselves, or anything else, but that does not necessarily make it TRUE, does it? Hence I used the word "APOCRYPHAL", not LIE. Merely UNPROVEABLE. And you reckon I' playing you around??? If you wish to believe his account, feel free to do so, it's your choice entirely, but DO NOT reproach others for having their own opinions on a given subject, we all have them, and we're all ENITLED to them, after all, we havn't entered the era of the thought police yet!!
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
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Smaug;1478633 wrote: I'm just trying to be objective here. Anyone can write ANYTHING about themselves, or anything else, but that does not necessarily make it TRUE, does it? Hence I used the word "APOCRYPHAL", not LIE. Merely UNPROVEABLE. And you reckon I' playing you around??? If you wish to believe his account, feel free to do so, it's your choice entirely, but DO NOT reproach others for having their own opinions on a given subject, we all have them, and we're all ENITLED to them, after all, we havn't entered the era of the thought police yet!!
And this all stems from "spot how do you know that they are autobiographical ? ", does it.
I've explained how I know they're autobiographical, and that truth is not relevant to whether it's autobiographical or not. Did you understand that bit? Did you ever see Graham Chapman's autobiography, for instance? Did its blatant lies make it any less autobiographical?
Anyone can write ANYTHING about themselves, or anything else, but that does not necessarily make it TRUE. What it does make it is autobiographical.
I asked the chap for something autobiographical - not necessarily true, just autobiographical, though I have no reason to doubt a word of it once you get past his idiosyncratic interpretation of what he claims to be real events - and he gave me a link to his autobiography. What's so difficult to comprehend?
He's a person, he's got problems enough without you piling in with uninformed accusations that he can't prove his life story. He's a long-standing member here. Find a little dignity.
And this all stems from "spot how do you know that they are autobiographical ? ", does it.
I've explained how I know they're autobiographical, and that truth is not relevant to whether it's autobiographical or not. Did you understand that bit? Did you ever see Graham Chapman's autobiography, for instance? Did its blatant lies make it any less autobiographical?
Anyone can write ANYTHING about themselves, or anything else, but that does not necessarily make it TRUE. What it does make it is autobiographical.
I asked the chap for something autobiographical - not necessarily true, just autobiographical, though I have no reason to doubt a word of it once you get past his idiosyncratic interpretation of what he claims to be real events - and he gave me a link to his autobiography. What's so difficult to comprehend?
He's a person, he's got problems enough without you piling in with uninformed accusations that he can't prove his life story. He's a long-standing member here. Find a little dignity.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
spot;1478634 wrote: And this all stems from "spot how do you know that they are autobiographical ? ", does it.
I've explained how I know they're autobiographical, and that truth is not relevant to whether it's autobiographical or not. Did you understand that bit? Did you ever see Graham Chapman's autobiography, for instance? Did its blatant lies make it any less autobiographical?
Anyone can write ANYTHING about themselves, or anything else, but that does not necessarily make it TRUE. What it does make it is autobiographical.
I asked the chap for something autobiographical - not necessarily true, just autobiographical, though I have no reason to doubt a word of it once you get past his idiosyncratic interpretation of what he claims to be real events - and he gave me a link to his autobiography. What's so difficult to comprehend?
He's a person, he's got problems enough without you piling in with uninformed accusations that he can't prove his life story. He's a long-standing member here. Find a little dignity.
there are a number of posts in which he has offered up a bit of autobiographic perspectives.
I've explained how I know they're autobiographical, and that truth is not relevant to whether it's autobiographical or not. Did you understand that bit? Did you ever see Graham Chapman's autobiography, for instance? Did its blatant lies make it any less autobiographical?
Anyone can write ANYTHING about themselves, or anything else, but that does not necessarily make it TRUE. What it does make it is autobiographical.
I asked the chap for something autobiographical - not necessarily true, just autobiographical, though I have no reason to doubt a word of it once you get past his idiosyncratic interpretation of what he claims to be real events - and he gave me a link to his autobiography. What's so difficult to comprehend?
He's a person, he's got problems enough without you piling in with uninformed accusations that he can't prove his life story. He's a long-standing member here. Find a little dignity.
there are a number of posts in which he has offered up a bit of autobiographic perspectives.
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LarsMac;1478636 wrote: there are a number of posts in which he has offered up a bit of autobiographic perspectives.
And, pleasingly, the link he just made to his website, in response to my request, opens up a whole lot more.
And, pleasingly, the link he just made to his website, in response to my request, opens up a whole lot more.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
spot;1478634 wrote: And this all stems from "spot how do you know that they are autobiographical ? ", does it.
I've explained how I know they're autobiographical, and that truth is not relevant to whether it's autobiographical or not. Did you understand that bit? Did you ever see Graham Chapman's autobiography, for instance? Did its blatant lies make it any less autobiographical?
Anyone can write ANYTHING about themselves, or anything else, but that does not necessarily make it TRUE. What it does make it is autobiographical.
I asked the chap for something autobiographical - not necessarily true, just autobiographical, though I have no reason to doubt a word of it once you get past his idiosyncratic interpretation of what he claims to be real events - and he gave me a link to his autobiography. What's so difficult to comprehend?
He's a person, he's got problems enough without you piling in with uninformed accusations that he can't prove his life story. He's a long-standing member here. Find a little dignity.
There's nothing wrong with my dignity. As I've already said, it's your choice if you want to believe him! As for my opinions, they are no more , or less ,valid than yours, oh brave keyboard warrior, sorry, worrier. It's my choice to be sceptical, and as he's made his post public, he must expect "feedback", whether positive OR negative. It's an opinion, and we all have 'em, so get used to it, is my suggestion. If we were all the same, this would be a VERY boring forum, indeed, a boring world!
As for "long standing member here", didn't you refer to him as being "probably certifiable"? Yet you harangue me for "piling in"? You seem to be a mass of contradictions, Spot. Maybe that's why people struggle to understand "where you come from", because it's always changing!
As for that apology, the world waits with bated breath....hope it's got good lung capacity!
I've explained how I know they're autobiographical, and that truth is not relevant to whether it's autobiographical or not. Did you understand that bit? Did you ever see Graham Chapman's autobiography, for instance? Did its blatant lies make it any less autobiographical?
Anyone can write ANYTHING about themselves, or anything else, but that does not necessarily make it TRUE. What it does make it is autobiographical.
I asked the chap for something autobiographical - not necessarily true, just autobiographical, though I have no reason to doubt a word of it once you get past his idiosyncratic interpretation of what he claims to be real events - and he gave me a link to his autobiography. What's so difficult to comprehend?
He's a person, he's got problems enough without you piling in with uninformed accusations that he can't prove his life story. He's a long-standing member here. Find a little dignity.
There's nothing wrong with my dignity. As I've already said, it's your choice if you want to believe him! As for my opinions, they are no more , or less ,valid than yours, oh brave keyboard warrior, sorry, worrier. It's my choice to be sceptical, and as he's made his post public, he must expect "feedback", whether positive OR negative. It's an opinion, and we all have 'em, so get used to it, is my suggestion. If we were all the same, this would be a VERY boring forum, indeed, a boring world!
As for "long standing member here", didn't you refer to him as being "probably certifiable"? Yet you harangue me for "piling in"? You seem to be a mass of contradictions, Spot. Maybe that's why people struggle to understand "where you come from", because it's always changing!
As for that apology, the world waits with bated breath....hope it's got good lung capacity!
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
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If you can see anywhere that I've said I believe him, do please point out the relevant passage. It's irrelevant whether or not I believe him. I asked for autobiographical detail and I was given some.
He is a "long standing member here", he is "probably certifiable", and you have been "piling in". In what sense do these facts contribute to "a mass of contradictions"? I see nothing contradictory in my posts.
He is a "long standing member here", he is "probably certifiable", and you have been "piling in". In what sense do these facts contribute to "a mass of contradictions"? I see nothing contradictory in my posts.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
Was it Ronald Reagan who said of his Autobiography, "I look forward to reading it"?
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FourPart;1478671 wrote: Was it Ronald Reagan who said of his Autobiography, "I look forward to reading it"?
"Rings a bell" with me, too.
"Rings a bell" with me, too.
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
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spot;1478648 wrote: If you can see anywhere that I've said I believe him, do please point out the relevant passage. It's irrelevant whether or not I believe him. I asked for autobiographical detail and I was given some.
He is a "long standing member here", he is "probably certifiable", and you have been "piling in". In what sense do these facts contribute to "a mass of contradictions"? I see nothing contradictory in my posts.
You asked me to point out the relevant passage(post 75) ;.............. I asked the chap for something autobiographical - not necessarily true, just autobiographical, though I have no reason to doubt a word of it once you get past his idiosyncratic interpretation of what he claims to be real events ..............so here it is.
You challenged me to provide the evidence, I have done so.
As for the statement " I see nothing contradictory in my posts", stating you have "no reason to doubt a word of it", after declaring he's "probably certifiable", do you still see no contradiction in this? No double standards? No possible confusion?
Something I share with Flopstock is a dislike for people who are deliberately nasty under guise of "smilies", or dismissive verbal humour to excuse reprehensible or abusive behavior.
I was wrong about GMC. I hope my first impressions about you are wrong also! Only time will tell...
He is a "long standing member here", he is "probably certifiable", and you have been "piling in". In what sense do these facts contribute to "a mass of contradictions"? I see nothing contradictory in my posts.
You asked me to point out the relevant passage(post 75) ;.............. I asked the chap for something autobiographical - not necessarily true, just autobiographical, though I have no reason to doubt a word of it once you get past his idiosyncratic interpretation of what he claims to be real events ..............so here it is.
You challenged me to provide the evidence, I have done so.
As for the statement " I see nothing contradictory in my posts", stating you have "no reason to doubt a word of it", after declaring he's "probably certifiable", do you still see no contradiction in this? No double standards? No possible confusion?
Something I share with Flopstock is a dislike for people who are deliberately nasty under guise of "smilies", or dismissive verbal humour to excuse reprehensible or abusive behavior.
I was wrong about GMC. I hope my first impressions about you are wrong also! Only time will tell...
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
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Smaug;1478719 wrote: I was wrong about GMC. I hope my first impressions about you are wrong also! Only time will tell...
One thing I have found in these forums is that, on the whole, members post as they find. They are real people behind the keyboards & not politicians with an agenda. They discuss topics on a wide range of matters, and you may or may not agree with their views, that is your prerogative. It is also essential for discussion of any sort. However, it is when people start using the forum for a single extremist platform when they start putting themselves up for ridicule. It's much the same with politics. I'm a Socialist, although more towards the Centre Ground. However, there are policies that the Conservatives hold that I agree with & Labour ones that I do not. I would imagine that anyone who votes by concious feels the same way, rather than simply toeing the Party Line & agreeing with whatever they're told. Also, as in the real world, there's no way that anyone's going to get along with everyone. There's no explanation for it. It's just the way of the world.
By the way, please don't feel this is a dig at you, or anyone else for that matter, it certainly isn't intended as such.
One thing I have found in these forums is that, on the whole, members post as they find. They are real people behind the keyboards & not politicians with an agenda. They discuss topics on a wide range of matters, and you may or may not agree with their views, that is your prerogative. It is also essential for discussion of any sort. However, it is when people start using the forum for a single extremist platform when they start putting themselves up for ridicule. It's much the same with politics. I'm a Socialist, although more towards the Centre Ground. However, there are policies that the Conservatives hold that I agree with & Labour ones that I do not. I would imagine that anyone who votes by concious feels the same way, rather than simply toeing the Party Line & agreeing with whatever they're told. Also, as in the real world, there's no way that anyone's going to get along with everyone. There's no explanation for it. It's just the way of the world.
By the way, please don't feel this is a dig at you, or anyone else for that matter, it certainly isn't intended as such.
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Smaug;1478719 wrote: You asked me to point out the relevant passage(post 75) ;.............. I asked the chap for something autobiographical - not necessarily true, just autobiographical, though I have no reason to doubt a word of it once you get past his idiosyncratic interpretation of what he claims to be real events ..............so here it is.
You challenged me to provide the evidence, I have done so.
I have no reason to doubt a word of it. That's a statement of fact. I have no reason to believe any of it either. That's a statement of fact. What I said doesn't imply that I believe him, it means I've no reason to disbelieve him.
I could wish that people might reed what I write as carefully as I write what they reed.
As for the statement " I see nothing contradictory in my posts", stating you have "no reason to doubt a word of it", after declaring he's "probably certifiable", do you still see no contradiction in this? No double standards? No possible confusion?Absolutely none whatever. You take each clause as a statement of fact, and you make a complicated truth out of them. The truth is often complicated. The trick is to break out several accurate statements and juxtapose them, so that the reeder can build the picture layer by layer. Why, for example, should I disbelieve what he writes just because he's "probably certifiable"? His description of events can be completely accurate even if his interpretation of them is baloney. Obviously his interpretations are baloney, but the events of his life are perfectly credible.
It's not as if he claims to have been vivisected on a spaceship. What he describes is a normal life screwed up by misunderstanding what's happening to him.
What katsung fails to understand is the nature of coincidence, and that life events can often be wildly coincidental. He believes the world is out to get him. That's called paranoia. If the events he describes were in fact not coincidental then his explanations for them - the mind rays and the FBI persecution and assassinating the Kennedy clan members just as personal warnings to him - would be the only logical reason for what's happened to him. Rational people would recognize that they'd made a wrong assumption somewhere earlier in their deductions and go back and rethink, but katsung has invested too much time and thought in building his explanation to just throw it away and mend himself.
Katsung's life seems, and may well be, hideously dysfunctional. So was Truthbringer's. So, in my opinion, are the lives of people who own televisions, but that is perhaps a personal bias of mine - I don't think it is, but I accept that it might be. As for Dutch or xFrodoBagginsx, I don't know how they get from one week to the next.
You challenged me to provide the evidence, I have done so.
I have no reason to doubt a word of it. That's a statement of fact. I have no reason to believe any of it either. That's a statement of fact. What I said doesn't imply that I believe him, it means I've no reason to disbelieve him.
I could wish that people might reed what I write as carefully as I write what they reed.
As for the statement " I see nothing contradictory in my posts", stating you have "no reason to doubt a word of it", after declaring he's "probably certifiable", do you still see no contradiction in this? No double standards? No possible confusion?Absolutely none whatever. You take each clause as a statement of fact, and you make a complicated truth out of them. The truth is often complicated. The trick is to break out several accurate statements and juxtapose them, so that the reeder can build the picture layer by layer. Why, for example, should I disbelieve what he writes just because he's "probably certifiable"? His description of events can be completely accurate even if his interpretation of them is baloney. Obviously his interpretations are baloney, but the events of his life are perfectly credible.
It's not as if he claims to have been vivisected on a spaceship. What he describes is a normal life screwed up by misunderstanding what's happening to him.
What katsung fails to understand is the nature of coincidence, and that life events can often be wildly coincidental. He believes the world is out to get him. That's called paranoia. If the events he describes were in fact not coincidental then his explanations for them - the mind rays and the FBI persecution and assassinating the Kennedy clan members just as personal warnings to him - would be the only logical reason for what's happened to him. Rational people would recognize that they'd made a wrong assumption somewhere earlier in their deductions and go back and rethink, but katsung has invested too much time and thought in building his explanation to just throw it away and mend himself.
Katsung's life seems, and may well be, hideously dysfunctional. So was Truthbringer's. So, in my opinion, are the lives of people who own televisions, but that is perhaps a personal bias of mine - I don't think it is, but I accept that it might be. As for Dutch or xFrodoBagginsx, I don't know how they get from one week to the next.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
Katsung's life seems, and may well be, hideously dysfunctional......................So, in my opinion, are the lives of people who own televisions, but that is perhaps a personal bias of mine
Thats a hell of a lot of dysfunctional people/lives in the world.
Thats a hell of a lot of dysfunctional people/lives in the world.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1478730 wrote: Thats a hell of a lot of dysfunctional people/lives in the world.
Too right, cobber.
eta: I shall attempt to explain why I think it, if you like.
There are aspects of television which are uniquely destructive. A book or a conversation happen at the pace you choose. Even watching a stage production involves an interplay between actors and audience. Television and its Uncle Radio set the pace, once you start watching. The content is designed to enthrall, whether it's an advert or a drama. Mostly it's been produced some time previously - often decades previously. The exchange is necessarily and entirely one-way. The pace isn't optional. Some people cope by training themselves to ignore the input, others like me are incapable of being in a room with a playing television and not give it complete attention.
I suggest that spending hours, day in day out, absorbing this material, regardless of whether it has good production values or not, alongside millions of other people passively taking in the same stuff, is a waste of human potential. Compared with actually living life, passive rote-viewing leaves dysfunctional people in its wake and the majority who participate end up damaged.
Rote, if you want to take exception to it, and plundering the OED for the words, is "in a mechanical or repetitious manner ... without proper understanding or reflection". I think it fits the case admirably.
Too right, cobber.
eta: I shall attempt to explain why I think it, if you like.
There are aspects of television which are uniquely destructive. A book or a conversation happen at the pace you choose. Even watching a stage production involves an interplay between actors and audience. Television and its Uncle Radio set the pace, once you start watching. The content is designed to enthrall, whether it's an advert or a drama. Mostly it's been produced some time previously - often decades previously. The exchange is necessarily and entirely one-way. The pace isn't optional. Some people cope by training themselves to ignore the input, others like me are incapable of being in a room with a playing television and not give it complete attention.
I suggest that spending hours, day in day out, absorbing this material, regardless of whether it has good production values or not, alongside millions of other people passively taking in the same stuff, is a waste of human potential. Compared with actually living life, passive rote-viewing leaves dysfunctional people in its wake and the majority who participate end up damaged.
Rote, if you want to take exception to it, and plundering the OED for the words, is "in a mechanical or repetitious manner ... without proper understanding or reflection". I think it fits the case admirably.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
I use my TV as my Computer Monitor. If I watch TV at all (which is rarely because of all the dross on it) I watch it online via FilmOn.com.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
FourPart;1478761 wrote: I use my TV as my Computer Monitor. If I watch TV at all (which is rarely because of all the dross on it) I watch it online via FilmOn.com.
I think my distinction between who sets the pace, the actively designed program or the passive viewer, plus the proportion of waking hours, is valid.
I think my distinction between who sets the pace, the actively designed program or the passive viewer, plus the proportion of waking hours, is valid.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
spot;1478731 wrote: Too right, cobber.
eta: I shall attempt to explain why I think it, if you like.
There are aspects of television which are uniquely destructive. A book or a conversation happen at the pace you choose. Even watching a stage production involves an interplay between actors and audience. Television and its Uncle Radio set the pace, once you start watching. The content is designed to enthrall, whether it's an advert or a drama. Mostly it's been produced some time previously - often decades previously. The exchange is necessarily and entirely one-way. The pace isn't optional. Some people cope by training themselves to ignore the input, others like me are incapable of being in a room with a playing television and not give it complete attention.
I suggest that spending hours, day in day out, absorbing this material, regardless of whether it has good production values or not, alongside millions of other people passively taking in the same stuff, is a waste of human potential. Compared with actually living life, passive rote-viewing leaves dysfunctional people in its wake and the majority who participate end up damaged.
Rote, if you want to take exception to it, and plundering the OED for the words, is "in a mechanical or repetitious manner ... without proper understanding or reflection". I think it fits the case admirably.
I have noticed that you return to posts, with after thoughts, I saw this post and it stopped at 'cobber' earlier....................and as the TV was on.......my potential was drained inex.....something or other....orably and immediately.
And you.....yes you.....wanted me to try some bleeding kind of video game ????????? and you haven't the attention span to answer a post in one visit ?
TV is the same as the interweb or books or film or a myriad of other 'things'...............some are good some are bad and some are brilliant.
You are.....as always.....half right, but as with any device or tool, they can be used for good or bad.
TV like a hammer.....bear with me........and can be used for good or evil. A hammer can build with other tools things of purpose and beauty or smash to smithereens......it doesn't make the hammer bad or especially good.....it is merely a tool.
I have witnessed wonders of nature, spectacular thought provoking drama, classic music of many genres, I have been educated and insulted by what is broadcast through my TV, but it is only a tool with an OFF switch.
That'll do......................might be back to add something later.......when this TV Movie is finished
eta: I shall attempt to explain why I think it, if you like.
There are aspects of television which are uniquely destructive. A book or a conversation happen at the pace you choose. Even watching a stage production involves an interplay between actors and audience. Television and its Uncle Radio set the pace, once you start watching. The content is designed to enthrall, whether it's an advert or a drama. Mostly it's been produced some time previously - often decades previously. The exchange is necessarily and entirely one-way. The pace isn't optional. Some people cope by training themselves to ignore the input, others like me are incapable of being in a room with a playing television and not give it complete attention.
I suggest that spending hours, day in day out, absorbing this material, regardless of whether it has good production values or not, alongside millions of other people passively taking in the same stuff, is a waste of human potential. Compared with actually living life, passive rote-viewing leaves dysfunctional people in its wake and the majority who participate end up damaged.
Rote, if you want to take exception to it, and plundering the OED for the words, is "in a mechanical or repetitious manner ... without proper understanding or reflection". I think it fits the case admirably.
I have noticed that you return to posts, with after thoughts, I saw this post and it stopped at 'cobber' earlier....................and as the TV was on.......my potential was drained inex.....something or other....orably and immediately.
And you.....yes you.....wanted me to try some bleeding kind of video game ????????? and you haven't the attention span to answer a post in one visit ?
TV is the same as the interweb or books or film or a myriad of other 'things'...............some are good some are bad and some are brilliant.
You are.....as always.....half right, but as with any device or tool, they can be used for good or bad.
TV like a hammer.....bear with me........and can be used for good or evil. A hammer can build with other tools things of purpose and beauty or smash to smithereens......it doesn't make the hammer bad or especially good.....it is merely a tool.
I have witnessed wonders of nature, spectacular thought provoking drama, classic music of many genres, I have been educated and insulted by what is broadcast through my TV, but it is only a tool with an OFF switch.
That'll do......................might be back to add something later.......when this TV Movie is finished
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Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
Bruv;1478763 wrote: I have noticed that you return to posts, with after thoughts, I saw this post and it stopped at 'cobber' earlier....................and as the TV was on.......my potential was drained inex.....something or other....orably and immediately.
And you.....yes you.....wanted me to try some bleeding kind of video game ????????? and you haven't the attention span to answer a post in one visit ?
TV is the same as the interweb or books or film or a myriad of other 'things'...............some are good some are bad and some are brilliant.
You are.....as always.....half right, but as with any device or tool, they can be used for good or bad.
TV like a hammer.....bear with me........and can be used for good or evil. A hammer can build with other tools things of purpose and beauty or smash to smithereens......it doesn't make the hammer bad or especially good.....it is merely a tool.
I have witnessed wonders of nature, spectacular thought provoking drama, classic music of many genres, I have been educated and insulted by what is broadcast through my TV, but it is only a tool with an OFF switch.
That'll do......................might be back to add something later.......when this TV Movie is finished
I raised this issue a while back, then two members did this 'adding things in' ages after the post went live. It's ridiculous as if you are reading the thread live you miss the add ons and it can make you look an idiot. There should be a time limit of a few minutes on it. I just think if you come back a while later and have an extra thought to add then quote your own post in another post with the added thought. At least it then becomes clear there is still conversation coming from that member rather than them talking to themselves way back in the thread.
As for TV, a lot of us have it on for background company, much as you would a radio. Some of it is great, some of it is escapism tv to just zone out to, some of it is incredibly interesting and informative. Some of it is utter crap too, I like putting some crap on just in time for someone arriving that thinks all telly is evil.
And you.....yes you.....wanted me to try some bleeding kind of video game ????????? and you haven't the attention span to answer a post in one visit ?
TV is the same as the interweb or books or film or a myriad of other 'things'...............some are good some are bad and some are brilliant.
You are.....as always.....half right, but as with any device or tool, they can be used for good or bad.
TV like a hammer.....bear with me........and can be used for good or evil. A hammer can build with other tools things of purpose and beauty or smash to smithereens......it doesn't make the hammer bad or especially good.....it is merely a tool.
I have witnessed wonders of nature, spectacular thought provoking drama, classic music of many genres, I have been educated and insulted by what is broadcast through my TV, but it is only a tool with an OFF switch.
That'll do......................might be back to add something later.......when this TV Movie is finished
I raised this issue a while back, then two members did this 'adding things in' ages after the post went live. It's ridiculous as if you are reading the thread live you miss the add ons and it can make you look an idiot. There should be a time limit of a few minutes on it. I just think if you come back a while later and have an extra thought to add then quote your own post in another post with the added thought. At least it then becomes clear there is still conversation coming from that member rather than them talking to themselves way back in the thread.
As for TV, a lot of us have it on for background company, much as you would a radio. Some of it is great, some of it is escapism tv to just zone out to, some of it is incredibly interesting and informative. Some of it is utter crap too, I like putting some crap on just in time for someone arriving that thinks all telly is evil.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
spot;1478727 wrote: I have no reason to doubt a word of it. That's a statement of fact. I have no reason to believe any of it either. That's a statement of fact. What I said doesn't imply that I believe him, it means I've no reason to disbelieve him.
I could wish that people might reed what I write as carefully as I write what they reed.
Absolutely none whatever. You take each clause as a statement of fact, and you make a complicated truth out of them. The truth is often complicated. The trick is to break out several accurate statements and juxtapose them, so that the reeder can build the picture layer by layer. Why, for example, should I disbelieve what he writes just because he's "probably certifiable"? His description of events can be completely accurate even if his interpretation of them is baloney. Obviously his interpretations are baloney, but the events of his life are perfectly credible.
It's not as if he claims to have been vivisected on a spaceship. What he describes is a normal life screwed up by misunderstanding what's happening to him.
What katsung fails to understand is the nature of coincidence, and that life events can often be wildly coincidental. He believes the world is out to get him. That's called paranoia. If the events he describes were in fact not coincidental then his explanations for them - the mind rays and the FBI persecution and assassinating the Kennedy clan members just as personal warnings to him - would be the only logical reason for what's happened to him. Rational people would recognize that they'd made a wrong assumption somewhere earlier in their deductions and go back and rethink, but katsung has invested too much time and thought in building his explanation to just throw it away and mend himself.
Katsung's life seems, and may well be, hideously dysfunctional. So was Truthbringer's. So, in my opinion, are the lives of people who own televisions, but that is perhaps a personal bias of mine - I don't think it is, but I accept that it might be. As for Dutch or xFrodoBagginsx, I don't know how they get from one week to the next.
Thanks for the "background" on Katsung, Spot. I don't know enough to be able to comment on Katsung's LIFE thus far, only the post he wrote. If what you say is true, and I have no reason to disbelieve you, then it would explain much, and is a rather sad story indeed. Of course, we all have to take people "at face value" for quite some time, until more info is available to us , enabling us to formulate a more detailed opinion, this being especially the case online, but when all is said and done, you've still got to take a lot on trust. It's sometimes difficult to know where to "draw the line".
I could wish that people might reed what I write as carefully as I write what they reed.
Absolutely none whatever. You take each clause as a statement of fact, and you make a complicated truth out of them. The truth is often complicated. The trick is to break out several accurate statements and juxtapose them, so that the reeder can build the picture layer by layer. Why, for example, should I disbelieve what he writes just because he's "probably certifiable"? His description of events can be completely accurate even if his interpretation of them is baloney. Obviously his interpretations are baloney, but the events of his life are perfectly credible.
It's not as if he claims to have been vivisected on a spaceship. What he describes is a normal life screwed up by misunderstanding what's happening to him.
What katsung fails to understand is the nature of coincidence, and that life events can often be wildly coincidental. He believes the world is out to get him. That's called paranoia. If the events he describes were in fact not coincidental then his explanations for them - the mind rays and the FBI persecution and assassinating the Kennedy clan members just as personal warnings to him - would be the only logical reason for what's happened to him. Rational people would recognize that they'd made a wrong assumption somewhere earlier in their deductions and go back and rethink, but katsung has invested too much time and thought in building his explanation to just throw it away and mend himself.
Katsung's life seems, and may well be, hideously dysfunctional. So was Truthbringer's. So, in my opinion, are the lives of people who own televisions, but that is perhaps a personal bias of mine - I don't think it is, but I accept that it might be. As for Dutch or xFrodoBagginsx, I don't know how they get from one week to the next.
Thanks for the "background" on Katsung, Spot. I don't know enough to be able to comment on Katsung's LIFE thus far, only the post he wrote. If what you say is true, and I have no reason to disbelieve you, then it would explain much, and is a rather sad story indeed. Of course, we all have to take people "at face value" for quite some time, until more info is available to us , enabling us to formulate a more detailed opinion, this being especially the case online, but when all is said and done, you've still got to take a lot on trust. It's sometimes difficult to know where to "draw the line".
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
FourPart;1478725 wrote: One thing I have found in these forums is that, on the whole, members post as they find. They are real people behind the keyboards & not politicians with an agenda. They discuss topics on a wide range of matters, and you may or may not agree with their views, that is your prerogative. It is also essential for discussion of any sort. However, it is when people start using the forum for a single extremist platform when they start putting themselves up for ridicule. It's much the same with politics. I'm a Socialist, although more towards the Centre Ground. However, there are policies that the Conservatives hold that I agree with & Labour ones that I do not. I would imagine that anyone who votes by concious feels the same way, rather than simply toeing the Party Line & agreeing with whatever they're told. Also, as in the real world, there's no way that anyone's going to get along with everyone. There's no explanation for it. It's just the way of the world.
By the way, please don't feel this is a dig at you, or anyone else for that matter, it certainly isn't intended as such.
Totally agree, FourPart. It would indeed be boring if we were all the same, and we're definitely not going to agree on everything, it's the differences that make conversations, indeed, life itself interesting. As for my politics, no-one represents me in the house ( I'm definitely NOT an extremist, right wing or left),as they havn't formed a party of common sense and joined-up thinking yet!! None of the idiots in Westminster is worth a "monkey's cuss" as far as I'm concerned, though I will always turn up to vote. I made a protest vote this time, as I'm fed up with red-blue, see-saw, baton-passing, scratch-back policies of the Westminster sell-souls.
As for your post, it's clearly not intended to cause offence and I take none.
By the way, please don't feel this is a dig at you, or anyone else for that matter, it certainly isn't intended as such.
Totally agree, FourPart. It would indeed be boring if we were all the same, and we're definitely not going to agree on everything, it's the differences that make conversations, indeed, life itself interesting. As for my politics, no-one represents me in the house ( I'm definitely NOT an extremist, right wing or left),as they havn't formed a party of common sense and joined-up thinking yet!! None of the idiots in Westminster is worth a "monkey's cuss" as far as I'm concerned, though I will always turn up to vote. I made a protest vote this time, as I'm fed up with red-blue, see-saw, baton-passing, scratch-back policies of the Westminster sell-souls.
As for your post, it's clearly not intended to cause offence and I take none.
" To finish first, first you have to finish!" Rick Mears. 4x Winner Indy 500. 3x Indycar National Champion.