So, if I read this right, she gets hit on at a public restaurant, returns to the office with him, changes her mind when he tries to kiss her and he's a bad guy even though he let her go?
Secret Service supervisor put on leave after assault allegation | Fox News
The female employee claimed that Morales, a manager in the agency's security clearance division and her boss, made unwanted advances toward her after they returned from a party at a Washington restaurant March 31. The party was held to celebrate Morales's assignment to head the Secret Service field office in Louisville.
The employee told investigators that Morales told her during the party that he was in love with her and wanted to have sex with her. As first reported by The Washington Post, after they returned to the office, the employee claimed Morales tried to kiss her and grabbed her arms when she resisted. Morales ultimately relented after a brief struggle.
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I think it was the "after a brief struggle" part that may be the problem. Grabbing her arms in the first place was a no-no.
On the other hand, there appears to have been alcohol involved. Seems like it might have been handled a little better. Though sometimes, letting it go the first time just leads to bigger problems later on.
On the other hand, there appears to have been alcohol involved. Seems like it might have been handled a little better. Though sometimes, letting it go the first time just leads to bigger problems later on.
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A Sussex Police campaign here has created a bit of a backlash due to "Victim blaming"
I just don't get it, I know full well it is the perpetrator's fault, but it should be wise to.....for instance, lock your car when leaving it, and your house when sleeping.
I just don't get it, I know full well it is the perpetrator's fault, but it should be wise to.....for instance, lock your car when leaving it, and your house when sleeping.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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The first thing to consider is that it is Fox.
Secondly, what is not mentioned is that, if things are the same as with most reputable employers, when a formal complaint is lodged it is usually standard policy to suspend the person, on full pay, whilst an investigation takes place. This should not be taken as an indication of guilt, as the news item is implying.
Secondly, what is not mentioned is that, if things are the same as with most reputable employers, when a formal complaint is lodged it is usually standard policy to suspend the person, on full pay, whilst an investigation takes place. This should not be taken as an indication of guilt, as the news item is implying.
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FourPart;1477265 wrote: The first thing to consider is that it is Fox.
Secondly, what is not mentioned is that, if things are the same as with most reputable employers, when a formal complaint is lodged it is usually standard policy to suspend the person, on full pay, whilst an investigation takes place. This should not be taken as an indication of guilt, as the news item is implying.
Good point about Fox.
They love reporting anything that might be an embarrassment to the current Administration.
In fact, the page in which this piece is titled "Politics"
And almost every item is somehow bad-mouthing the Pres.
Secondly, what is not mentioned is that, if things are the same as with most reputable employers, when a formal complaint is lodged it is usually standard policy to suspend the person, on full pay, whilst an investigation takes place. This should not be taken as an indication of guilt, as the news item is implying.
Good point about Fox.
They love reporting anything that might be an embarrassment to the current Administration.
In fact, the page in which this piece is titled "Politics"
And almost every item is somehow bad-mouthing the Pres.
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I don't know that I would want a guy to kiss me without any other contact. A brief struggle could have been as little as him thinking she was snuggling and then realizing she was pulling away and letting her go. But he apparently made this statement to her in one location and then she went with him to the other location. If he did this in front of a group, guilty. If not, I'm guessing she had second thoughts because he's married , leaving, or had bad breath. I wonder if someone saw her leaving his office?
LarsMac;1477260 wrote: I think it was the "after a brief struggle" part that may be the problem. Grabbing her arms in the first place was a no-no.
On the other hand, there appears to have been alcohol involved. Seems like it might have been handled a little better. Though sometimes, letting it go the first time just leads to bigger problems later on.
LarsMac;1477260 wrote: I think it was the "after a brief struggle" part that may be the problem. Grabbing her arms in the first place was a no-no.
On the other hand, there appears to have been alcohol involved. Seems like it might have been handled a little better. Though sometimes, letting it go the first time just leads to bigger problems later on.
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flopstock;1477269 wrote: I don't know that I would want a guy to kiss me without any other contact. A brief struggle could have been as little as him thinking she was snuggling and then realizing she was pulling away and letting her go. But he apparently made this statement to her in one location and then she went with him to the other location. If he did this in front of a group, guilty. If not, I'm guessing she had second thoughts because he's married , leaving, or had bad breath. I wonder if someone saw her leaving his office?
Well, he made the statement while at a party where he was celebrating. I am suspecting there may have been alcohol. (Just an educated guess)
Then the "alleged assault" occurred after they returned to the office. There is no information on how many members of the office were also at the celebration, or how many traveled together to and from the celebration, and then back to the office.
A lot is "left to the imagination" of the reader. One can make much or little of such an encounter.
For example. you and I both read the same article, and we have made two different assertions about the event.
Well, he made the statement while at a party where he was celebrating. I am suspecting there may have been alcohol. (Just an educated guess)
Then the "alleged assault" occurred after they returned to the office. There is no information on how many members of the office were also at the celebration, or how many traveled together to and from the celebration, and then back to the office.
A lot is "left to the imagination" of the reader. One can make much or little of such an encounter.
For example. you and I both read the same article, and we have made two different assertions about the event.
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flopstock;1477259 wrote: So, if I read this right, she gets hit on at a public restaurant, returns to the office with him, changes her mind when he tries to kiss her and he's a bad guy even though he let her go?
Secret Service supervisor put on leave after assault allegation | Fox News
Looks to me like she set him up from start to finish. I wonder how much she got paid.
Secret Service supervisor put on leave after assault allegation | Fox News
Looks to me like she set him up from start to finish. I wonder how much she got paid.
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flopstock;1477269 wrote: I don't know that I would want a guy to kiss me without any other contact.
You mean you should "cop a feel" first to test the water?
You mean you should "cop a feel" first to test the water?
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High Threshold;1477283 wrote: Looks to me like she set him up from start to finish. I wonder how much she got paid.
Always ready to believe the worst of someone, especially if they are American.
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LarsMac;1477271 wrote: Well, he made the statement while at a party where he was celebrating. I am suspecting there may have been alcohol. (Just an educated guess)
Then the "alleged assault" occurred after they returned to the office. There is no information on how many members of the office were also at the celebration, or how many traveled together to and from the celebration, and then back to the office.
A lot is "left to the imagination" of the reader. One can make much or little of such an encounter.
For example. you and I both read the same article, and we have made two different assertions about the event.
Not really, I just put myself in her place. If anyone from my workplace made those kinds of comments to me at an event or even in jest, I would be found no where in their vicinity and they would be facing the personnel department based on the inappropriate comment alone.
Then the "alleged assault" occurred after they returned to the office. There is no information on how many members of the office were also at the celebration, or how many traveled together to and from the celebration, and then back to the office.
A lot is "left to the imagination" of the reader. One can make much or little of such an encounter.
For example. you and I both read the same article, and we have made two different assertions about the event.
Not really, I just put myself in her place. If anyone from my workplace made those kinds of comments to me at an event or even in jest, I would be found no where in their vicinity and they would be facing the personnel department based on the inappropriate comment alone.
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LarsMac;1477303 wrote: Always ready to believe the worst of someone, especially if they are American.
Sounds more misogynist to me than anti-American. Worse to be a misogynist, more people involved, like half the human race.
Sounds more misogynist to me than anti-American. Worse to be a misogynist, more people involved, like half the human race.
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AnneBoleyn;1477306 wrote: Sounds more misogynist to me than anti-American. Worse to be a misogynist, more people involved, like half the human race.
You may be right.
It's always the woman's fault. I forget.
Actually I think I was playing hookie the day that part was covered in Social Studies.
You may be right.
It's always the woman's fault. I forget.
Actually I think I was playing hookie the day that part was covered in Social Studies.
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LarsMac;1477309 wrote: You may be right.
It's always the woman's fault. I forget.
Actually I think I was playing hookie the day that part was covered in Social Studies.
In Home Economics in Elementary School, we girls were given a sheet of rules, which I saved, but can't find (if I ever do, I will show you here) so I had to google it. Here it is, this is what I was officially taught. No wonder I'm not an M.D. (actually, it never entered my mind):
It's always the woman's fault. I forget.
Actually I think I was playing hookie the day that part was covered in Social Studies.
In Home Economics in Elementary School, we girls were given a sheet of rules, which I saved, but can't find (if I ever do, I will show you here) so I had to google it. Here it is, this is what I was officially taught. No wonder I'm not an M.D. (actually, it never entered my mind):
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It may sound chauvanistic, but there are a great deal of women who see men as a meal ticket & play them along to suit their own ends, and then claim to be the innocent victim when things go wrong.
When you leave cheese on the floor, you can't blame the mouse for having a nibble.
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FourPart;1477313 wrote: It may sound chauvanistic, but there are a great deal of women who see men as a meal ticket & play them along to suit their own ends, and then claim to be the innocent victim when things go wrong.
When you leave cheese on the floor, you can't blame the mouse for having a nibble.
You are right, it sounds chauvinistic & as for what I put in bold, to assume that first hand proves it is chauvinistic. Only a few years ago, & probably still, how a rape victim was dressed entered into the case as evidence against Her. Learn to control yourself.
When you leave cheese on the floor, you can't blame the mouse for having a nibble.
You are right, it sounds chauvinistic & as for what I put in bold, to assume that first hand proves it is chauvinistic. Only a few years ago, & probably still, how a rape victim was dressed entered into the case as evidence against Her. Learn to control yourself.
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AnneBoleyn;1477312 wrote: In Home Economics in Elementary School, we girls were given a sheet of rules, which I saved, but can't find (if I ever do, I will show you here) so I had to google it. Here it is, this is what I was officially taught. No wonder I'm not an M.D. (actually, it never entered my mind):
I thought of showing my wife this as a chuckle but I'm not sure I'm brave enough
I thought of showing my wife this as a chuckle but I'm not sure I'm brave enough
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I think you should show it to her, but not as a chuckle, as how far we've come.
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AnneBoleyn;1477312 wrote: In Home Economics in Elementary School, we girls were given a sheet of rules, which I saved, but can't find (if I ever do, I will show you here) so I had to google it. Here it is, this is what I was officially taught. No wonder I'm not an M.D. (actually, it never entered my mind):
HAH! I remember that!!!
I was a small boy, then, but a voracious reader. My Mom subscribed to that rag. Her baby sister, about 19 just left her husband for the first time, bringing her 1 year old son and was living with us.
She exploded when she came across that article.
I was entertained for an hour or so, as Mom and Aunt Clemma went through each item.
I was then instructed not to tell Dad about the discussion.
HAH! I remember that!!!
I was a small boy, then, but a voracious reader. My Mom subscribed to that rag. Her baby sister, about 19 just left her husband for the first time, bringing her 1 year old son and was living with us.
She exploded when she came across that article.
I was entertained for an hour or so, as Mom and Aunt Clemma went through each item.
I was then instructed not to tell Dad about the discussion.
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AnneBoleyn;1477318 wrote: I think you should show it to her, but not as a chuckle, as how far we've come.
I will. When I've cleared the clutter and prepared myself for when she gets home. I need to be a little more gay and more interesting for her
I will. When I've cleared the clutter and prepared myself for when she gets home. I need to be a little more gay and more interesting for her
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LarsMac;1477303 wrote: Always ready to believe the worst of someone, especially if they are American.
No matter which one of them I side with .......... both are American. Should I have blamed the Burmese? Perhaps you ought to seek help with that "chip" of yours.
No matter which one of them I side with .......... both are American. Should I have blamed the Burmese? Perhaps you ought to seek help with that "chip" of yours.
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LarsMac;1477303 wrote: Always ready to believe the worst of someone, especially if they are American.
I hear you, bro. These people never focus on subjects not found in the news - subjects that cannot be substantiated – subjects with no link. And even when I've posted a few threads on “the bad boys in Sweden and criticised the hell out of them ¦.... it's left there to flounder ¦. no one is interested! It just infuriates me to no end! I mean, I am not American and I am fully aware that I have no right discussing the U.S. despite the fact that what the U.S. does affects the rest of the world ¦.. even Sweden! But nobody is interested in talking about Sweden – it's not my fault.
I hear you, bro. These people never focus on subjects not found in the news - subjects that cannot be substantiated – subjects with no link. And even when I've posted a few threads on “the bad boys in Sweden and criticised the hell out of them ¦.... it's left there to flounder ¦. no one is interested! It just infuriates me to no end! I mean, I am not American and I am fully aware that I have no right discussing the U.S. despite the fact that what the U.S. does affects the rest of the world ¦.. even Sweden! But nobody is interested in talking about Sweden – it's not my fault.
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High Threshold;1477326 wrote: I hear you, bro. These people never focus on subjects not found in the news - subjects that cannot be substantiated – subjects with no link. And even when I've posted a few threads on “the bad boys in Sweden and criticised the hell out of them ¦.... it's left there to flounder ¦. no one is interested! It just infuriates me to no end! I mean, I am not American and I am fully aware that I have no right discussing the U.S. despite the fact that what the U.S. does affects the rest of the world ¦.. even Sweden! But nobody is interested in talking about Sweden – it's not my fault.
That much is to Sweden's credit as it's only bad news that makes most of the headlines.
That much is to Sweden's credit as it's only bad news that makes most of the headlines.
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FourPart;1477327 wrote: That much is to Sweden's credit as it's only bad news that makes most of the headlines.
A very good point.
A very good point.
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High Threshold;1477326 wrote: I hear you, bro. These people never focus on subjects not found in the news - subjects that cannot be substantiated – subjects with no link. And even when I've posted a few threads on “the bad boys in Sweden and criticised the hell out of them ¦.... it's left there to flounder ¦. no one is interested! It just infuriates me to no end! I mean, I am not American and I am fully aware that I have no right discussing the U.S. despite the fact that what the U.S. does affects the rest of the world ¦.. even Sweden! But nobody is interested in talking about Sweden – it's not my fault.
Not true I like wallander and the bridge and the girl with the dragon tattoo. haven't seen the remade english language version cannot understand this need to make foreign language films in english what is wrong with people that can't read subtitles. A good film is a good film.
Not true I like wallander and the bridge and the girl with the dragon tattoo. haven't seen the remade english language version cannot understand this need to make foreign language films in english what is wrong with people that can't read subtitles. A good film is a good film.
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gmc;1477334 wrote: Not true ...
Well, I think I'm being accused of something more important than my taste in fictional TV series.
gmc;1477334 wrote: ... I like wallander and the bridge and the girl with the dragon tattoo. haven't seen the remade english language version cannot understand this need to make foreign language films in english what is wrong with people that can't read subtitles. A good film is a good film.
I agree completely. Of course, we are used to subtitles - I don't think the English-speaking world is. Much more irritating are some of the eastern block countries (I'm thinking of the soviet era) where foreign films shown on TV were in original language with the sound turned way, way down. You could only make out a word or two. And it was a single person reading aloud (in the respective, slavic language) all of the lines of all of the actors. Even reading the credits at the end of the film in the local way! Example in Slovakia: "Marilyn Streepova, Judy Denchova, Nicole Kidmanova, Sean Connery ho rola Jamesa Bonda" etc.
Well, I think I'm being accused of something more important than my taste in fictional TV series.
gmc;1477334 wrote: ... I like wallander and the bridge and the girl with the dragon tattoo. haven't seen the remade english language version cannot understand this need to make foreign language films in english what is wrong with people that can't read subtitles. A good film is a good film.
I agree completely. Of course, we are used to subtitles - I don't think the English-speaking world is. Much more irritating are some of the eastern block countries (I'm thinking of the soviet era) where foreign films shown on TV were in original language with the sound turned way, way down. You could only make out a word or two. And it was a single person reading aloud (in the respective, slavic language) all of the lines of all of the actors. Even reading the credits at the end of the film in the local way! Example in Slovakia: "Marilyn Streepova, Judy Denchova, Nicole Kidmanova, Sean Connery ho rola Jamesa Bonda" etc.
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High Threshold;1477325 wrote: No matter which one of them I side with .......... both are American. Should I have blamed the Burmese? Perhaps you ought to seek help with that "chip" of yours.
I have no chip. Really. That was an observation. But then what Anne said was probably more correct.
It seems that several here are willing to simply believe that the woman was in the wrong in this instance. She must have encouraged the guy. I actually didn't catch that until Anne pointed it out.
Me, I am looking to understand the dynamics of the incident, rather than make judgement and lay blame.
I have no chip. Really. That was an observation. But then what Anne said was probably more correct.
It seems that several here are willing to simply believe that the woman was in the wrong in this instance. She must have encouraged the guy. I actually didn't catch that until Anne pointed it out.
Me, I am looking to understand the dynamics of the incident, rather than make judgement and lay blame.
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LarsMac;1477340 wrote: I have no chip. Really. That was an observation. But then what Anne said was probably more correct.
It seems that several here are willing to simply believe that the woman was in the wrong in this instance. She must have encouraged the guy. I actually didn't catch that until Anne pointed it out.
Me, I am looking to understand the dynamics of the incident, rather than make judgement and lay blame.
Sorry, but I don't understand. Are you retracting your accusation .....
LarsMac;1477303 wrote: Always ready to believe the worst of someone, especially if they are American.
.... or have you only put it to one side in preparation of accusing me again later on?
It seems that several here are willing to simply believe that the woman was in the wrong in this instance. She must have encouraged the guy. I actually didn't catch that until Anne pointed it out.
Me, I am looking to understand the dynamics of the incident, rather than make judgement and lay blame.
Sorry, but I don't understand. Are you retracting your accusation .....
LarsMac;1477303 wrote: Always ready to believe the worst of someone, especially if they are American.
.... or have you only put it to one side in preparation of accusing me again later on?
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LarsMac;1477340 wrote: I have no chip. Really. That was an observation. But then what Anne said was probably more correct.
It seems that several here are willing to simply believe that the woman was in the wrong in this instance. She must have encouraged the guy. I actually didn't catch that until Anne pointed it out.
Me, I am looking to understand the dynamics of the incident, rather than make judgement and lay blame.
Lars, you should have re-posted what I said as despite his disclaimers, he did say I'm on his Ignore & he sure does a good job of proving it.
It seems that several here are willing to simply believe that the woman was in the wrong in this instance. She must have encouraged the guy. I actually didn't catch that until Anne pointed it out.
Me, I am looking to understand the dynamics of the incident, rather than make judgement and lay blame.
Lars, you should have re-posted what I said as despite his disclaimers, he did say I'm on his Ignore & he sure does a good job of proving it.
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LarsMac;1477340 wrote: I have no chip. Really. That was an observation. But then what Anne said was probably more correct.
It seems that several here are willing to simply believe that the woman was in the wrong in this instance. She must have encouraged the guy. I actually didn't catch that until Anne pointed it out.
Me, I am looking to understand the dynamics of the incident, rather than make judgement and lay blame.
I don't believe the woman was wrong any more than I believe the man was wrong, at this stage of things. I think the story made assumptions without facts... or leads to assumptions.
What I do believe is that however this proves out, that man's reputation is shot.
It seems that several here are willing to simply believe that the woman was in the wrong in this instance. She must have encouraged the guy. I actually didn't catch that until Anne pointed it out.
Me, I am looking to understand the dynamics of the incident, rather than make judgement and lay blame.
I don't believe the woman was wrong any more than I believe the man was wrong, at this stage of things. I think the story made assumptions without facts... or leads to assumptions.
What I do believe is that however this proves out, that man's reputation is shot.
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flopstock;1477348 wrote: I don't believe the woman was wrong any more than I believe the man was wrong, at this stage of things. I think the story made assumptions without facts... or leads to assumptions.
What I do believe is that however this proves out, that man's reputation is shot.
Yes, that is probably true. Life is like that, sometimes.
A moment's indiscretion, and a life is left in shambles. Happens all the time.
The guy was probably in his cups. Forget where the line was drawn, and didn't even realize he'd crossed it until he was standing in front of his bosses desk being advised that he was suspended.
What I do believe is that however this proves out, that man's reputation is shot.
Yes, that is probably true. Life is like that, sometimes.
A moment's indiscretion, and a life is left in shambles. Happens all the time.
The guy was probably in his cups. Forget where the line was drawn, and didn't even realize he'd crossed it until he was standing in front of his bosses desk being advised that he was suspended.
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withouit knowing the full story on the face of it seems a senior manager (I presume) in your secret service lacks the basic common sense not to get too drunk that he doesn't know what he is doing or to keep his hands off the junior staff. Alternatively he let himself be set up - either way it rather suggests he's not fit to be in a senior position.
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gmc;1477353 wrote: withouit knowing the full story on the face of it seems a senior manager (I presume) in your secret service lacks the basic common sense not to get too drunk that he doesn't know what he is doing or to keep his hands off the junior staff. Alternatively he let himself be set up - either way it rather suggests he's not fit to be in a senior position.
Yup. that pretty well sums it up.
Yup. that pretty well sums it up.
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FourPart;1477265 wrote: The first thing to consider is that it is Fox.
Are you trying to say this is a fabricated report?
FourPart;1477265 wrote: Secondly, what is not mentioned is that, if things are the same as with most reputable employers,
Whatever that means.
FourPart;1477265 wrote: when a formal complaint is lodged it is usually standard policy to suspend the person, on full pay, whilst an investigation takes place.
Really?
I'll take your word for it.
FourPart;1477265 wrote: This should not be taken as an indication of guilt, as the news item is implying.
You interpretation.
Are you trying to say this is a fabricated report?
FourPart;1477265 wrote: Secondly, what is not mentioned is that, if things are the same as with most reputable employers,
Whatever that means.
FourPart;1477265 wrote: when a formal complaint is lodged it is usually standard policy to suspend the person, on full pay, whilst an investigation takes place.
Really?
I'll take your word for it.
FourPart;1477265 wrote: This should not be taken as an indication of guilt, as the news item is implying.
You interpretation.
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She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1477355 wrote: Are you trying to say this is a fabricated report?
FOX isn't necessarily fabricated, you jumped to a conclusion with FourPart here. It is though slanted, exaggerated & overblown.
FOX isn't necessarily fabricated, you jumped to a conclusion with FourPart here. It is though slanted, exaggerated & overblown.
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LarsMac;1477266 wrote: Good point about Fox.
They love reporting anything that might be an embarrassment to the current Administration.
Yea, better to just ignore things which embarrass the POTUS.
LarsMac;1477266 wrote: In fact, the page in which this piece is titled "Politics"
Washington Post
Golly Gee
They Washington Post did the same thing.
Just for Giggles did a Google and it seems the Washington Post was the leader of this news item.
Secret Service supervisor
Seems Washington Post is in the forefront of this story.
They love reporting anything that might be an embarrassment to the current Administration.
Yea, better to just ignore things which embarrass the POTUS.
LarsMac;1477266 wrote: In fact, the page in which this piece is titled "Politics"
Washington Post
Golly Gee
They Washington Post did the same thing.
Just for Giggles did a Google and it seems the Washington Post was the leader of this news item.
Secret Service supervisor
Seems Washington Post is in the forefront of this story.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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AnneBoleyn;1477356 wrote: FOX isn't necessarily fabricated, you jumped to a conclusion with FourPart here. It is though slanted, exaggerated & overblown.
All that may be true, I'll leave that to ya'all.
I never came to a conclusion, of anything.
All that may be true, I'll leave that to ya'all.
I never came to a conclusion, of anything.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1477361 wrote: All that may be true, I'll leave that to ya'all.
I never came to a conclusion, of anything.
You mean They Reported & You Didn't Decide? Thus, it is formally declared Fox News has failed in their Great Mission.
I never came to a conclusion, of anything.
You mean They Reported & You Didn't Decide? Thus, it is formally declared Fox News has failed in their Great Mission.
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tude dog;1477357 wrote: Yea, better to just ignore things which embarrass the POTUS.
Washington Post
Golly Gee
They Washington Post did the same thing.
Just for Giggles did a Google and it seems the Washington Post was the leader of this news item.
Secret Service supervisor
Seems Washington Post is in the forefront of this story.
Yup. the Post a lot like Fox.
I really don't care that Fox ran the article. What I said was that they like to run stuff that is really of little import in the grand design, but it is handy to embarrass the administration, and that the page where the article was placed was designed specifically to do that.
Seems to me, some mid-level manager getting slapped for abusing employer-employee relationship is not really very newsworthy, unless someone can make political hay.
Washington Post
Golly Gee
They Washington Post did the same thing.
Just for Giggles did a Google and it seems the Washington Post was the leader of this news item.
Secret Service supervisor
Seems Washington Post is in the forefront of this story.
Yup. the Post a lot like Fox.
I really don't care that Fox ran the article. What I said was that they like to run stuff that is really of little import in the grand design, but it is handy to embarrass the administration, and that the page where the article was placed was designed specifically to do that.
Seems to me, some mid-level manager getting slapped for abusing employer-employee relationship is not really very newsworthy, unless someone can make political hay.
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Seems to me, some mid-level manager getting slapped for abusing employer-employee relationship is not really very newsworthy, unless someone can make political hay.
It is newsworthy. It takes our attention away from the important stuff.
Seems to me, some mid-level manager getting slapped for abusing employer-employee relationship is not really very newsworthy, unless someone can make political hay.
It is newsworthy. It takes our attention away from the important stuff.
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LarsMac;1477364 wrote: Yup. the Post a lot like Fox.
I really don't care that Fox ran the article. What I said was that they like to run stuff that is really of little import in the grand design, but it is handy to embarrass the administration, and that the page where the article was placed was designed specifically to do that.
I can't argue anginst an opioin, as both FOX and Washington Post presented their articele under "Politics".
LarsMac;1477364 wrote: Seems to me, some mid-level manager getting slapped for abusing employer-employee relationship is not really very newsworthy, unless someone can make political hay.
I really disagree.
As much as I dislike that lump which currently occupies the White House, he is to be protected.
I am not going to searh just how much we all pay, but I would expect the best money can buy.
Seems he is less interested in his personal safety than in some "grand design".
I really don't care that Fox ran the article. What I said was that they like to run stuff that is really of little import in the grand design, but it is handy to embarrass the administration, and that the page where the article was placed was designed specifically to do that.
I can't argue anginst an opioin, as both FOX and Washington Post presented their articele under "Politics".
LarsMac;1477364 wrote: Seems to me, some mid-level manager getting slapped for abusing employer-employee relationship is not really very newsworthy, unless someone can make political hay.
I really disagree.
As much as I dislike that lump which currently occupies the White House, he is to be protected.
I am not going to searh just how much we all pay, but I would expect the best money can buy.
Seems he is less interested in his personal safety than in some "grand design".
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
This guy will never get his reputation back.
tude dog;1477369 wrote: I can't argue anginst an opioin, as both FOX and Washington Post presented their articele under "Politics".
I really disagree.
As much as I dislike that lump which currently occupies the White House, he is to be protected.
I am not going to searh just how much we all pay, but I would expect the best money can buy.
Seems he is less interested in his personal safety than in some "grand design".
Exactly. "The Best money can buy" is what we think we are paying for to protect the Pres.
And they are all only human, but must be more than that. They fall to temptations and thoughtlessness and somebody important may die.
We need to hold them to higher standards. This guy needs to be doing something else, now. Same with those clowns in Mexico.
And their management needs to be held accountable for the lack of discipline.
However, this is not a national news item. Except for Fox and the Post, apparently, and to them it seems to be a political statement.
But, why is this article in the "politics" section?
I really disagree.
As much as I dislike that lump which currently occupies the White House, he is to be protected.
I am not going to searh just how much we all pay, but I would expect the best money can buy.
Seems he is less interested in his personal safety than in some "grand design".
Exactly. "The Best money can buy" is what we think we are paying for to protect the Pres.
And they are all only human, but must be more than that. They fall to temptations and thoughtlessness and somebody important may die.
We need to hold them to higher standards. This guy needs to be doing something else, now. Same with those clowns in Mexico.
And their management needs to be held accountable for the lack of discipline.
However, this is not a national news item. Except for Fox and the Post, apparently, and to them it seems to be a political statement.
But, why is this article in the "politics" section?
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tude dog;1477355 wrote: Are you trying to say this is a fabricated report?
I think it's generally accepted that Fox is the US TV version of the UK Daily Mail. They take the slightest story & put the extreme Right Wing Spin on it.
Whatever that means.
I mean that most reputable companies have an official disciplinary policy that doesn't prejudge anyone without looking into the facts first.
Really?
I'll take your word for it.
If you are currently in employment (at least, with a reputable company) if you look into your Contract of Employment you should find something along those lines in there.
You interpretation.
If the contents of that report were all the evidence to be placed at a trial he would be found Guilty As Sin. However, nothing has been reported that tells the story from his side, in his defence. It is a totally one-sided report & should be treated as such. Last I was aware there is a basic statute in most civilised countries that the accused is Innocent Until Proven Guilty? So far there has been no trial, no conclusion (as of date of report) & certainly no trial. That's not interpretation - that's fact.
I think it's generally accepted that Fox is the US TV version of the UK Daily Mail. They take the slightest story & put the extreme Right Wing Spin on it.
Whatever that means.
I mean that most reputable companies have an official disciplinary policy that doesn't prejudge anyone without looking into the facts first.
Really?
I'll take your word for it.
If you are currently in employment (at least, with a reputable company) if you look into your Contract of Employment you should find something along those lines in there.
You interpretation.
If the contents of that report were all the evidence to be placed at a trial he would be found Guilty As Sin. However, nothing has been reported that tells the story from his side, in his defence. It is a totally one-sided report & should be treated as such. Last I was aware there is a basic statute in most civilised countries that the accused is Innocent Until Proven Guilty? So far there has been no trial, no conclusion (as of date of report) & certainly no trial. That's not interpretation - that's fact.
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FourPart;1477376 wrote: I think it's generally accepted that Fox is the US TV version of the UK Daily Mail. They take the slightest story & put the extreme Right Wing Spin on it.
I don't think there is much doubt about it.
FourPart;1477376 wrote: If the contents of that report were all the evidence to be placed at a trial he would be found Guilty As Sin. However, nothing has been reported that tells the story from his side, in his defence. It is a totally one-sided report & should be treated as such. Last I was aware there is a basic statute in most civilised countries that the accused is Innocent Until Proven Guilty? So far there has been no trial, no conclusion (as of date of report) & certainly no trial. That's not interpretation - that's fact.
The "last you were aware" must have been some time ago. Things seem to have changed since the WMD hoax, the falsification of “proof of their existence, the calling back of inspection team that was all but concluded, the illegal invasion of Irak, the countless re-writing of the facts/falsehoods/motivation ¦..... and the lack of legal action taken against those who perpetrated the hoax, the falsification, and the illegal invasion.
Then there is the case of Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, and Edward Snowden ¦.. witnesses to the above but being charged guilty of trumped up red herring crimes and now tucked away in arrest of one sort or another.
More specific are the cases of Julian Assange who allegedly had sex without a condom ¦. calling it “rape and seeking his extradition while Bush, Rumfeld, Chenney & Co. being clearly guilty of war crimes yet enjoying complete freedom.
I feel that the notion of “Innocent Until Proven Guilty is lost, and few have enough resources to re-install it.
I don't think there is much doubt about it.
FourPart;1477376 wrote: If the contents of that report were all the evidence to be placed at a trial he would be found Guilty As Sin. However, nothing has been reported that tells the story from his side, in his defence. It is a totally one-sided report & should be treated as such. Last I was aware there is a basic statute in most civilised countries that the accused is Innocent Until Proven Guilty? So far there has been no trial, no conclusion (as of date of report) & certainly no trial. That's not interpretation - that's fact.
The "last you were aware" must have been some time ago. Things seem to have changed since the WMD hoax, the falsification of “proof of their existence, the calling back of inspection team that was all but concluded, the illegal invasion of Irak, the countless re-writing of the facts/falsehoods/motivation ¦..... and the lack of legal action taken against those who perpetrated the hoax, the falsification, and the illegal invasion.
Then there is the case of Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, and Edward Snowden ¦.. witnesses to the above but being charged guilty of trumped up red herring crimes and now tucked away in arrest of one sort or another.
More specific are the cases of Julian Assange who allegedly had sex without a condom ¦. calling it “rape and seeking his extradition while Bush, Rumfeld, Chenney & Co. being clearly guilty of war crimes yet enjoying complete freedom.
I feel that the notion of “Innocent Until Proven Guilty is lost, and few have enough resources to re-install it.
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Regarding the WMD bit, even that is a case of Innocent Until ProvenGuilty, otherwise all the alleged perpetrators would be inside by now. The only trial, thus far, has been Trial By Media, and the same can be said for most of the other cases you mention.
I understand there is also the lesser known point that in the Military, when it comes to a Court Marshall, the system is reversed, and it's a case of Guilty Until Proven Innocent.
Others have, of course, been declared Guilty in their absence after they fled the legal system & went into self imposed exile. I hardly think that is the same sort of thing.
The Media is very much to blame for a lot of things for stirring people up to believe things by implication, and by stating their own Creative Journalism so strongly & so much that it starts to become accepted as fact, when it is nothing of the sort.
Perhaps an additional option might be that once a person has been accused, tried & found Innocent, that the person who initially made the accusation be found guilty of Perjury, by default, and ordered to pay compensation for Defamation of Character. I'm sure than would cut down the number of trumped up accusations of people jumping on the bandwagon to accuse celebrities in the hope of getting some compensation for themselves.
I understand there is also the lesser known point that in the Military, when it comes to a Court Marshall, the system is reversed, and it's a case of Guilty Until Proven Innocent.
Others have, of course, been declared Guilty in their absence after they fled the legal system & went into self imposed exile. I hardly think that is the same sort of thing.
The Media is very much to blame for a lot of things for stirring people up to believe things by implication, and by stating their own Creative Journalism so strongly & so much that it starts to become accepted as fact, when it is nothing of the sort.
Perhaps an additional option might be that once a person has been accused, tried & found Innocent, that the person who initially made the accusation be found guilty of Perjury, by default, and ordered to pay compensation for Defamation of Character. I'm sure than would cut down the number of trumped up accusations of people jumping on the bandwagon to accuse celebrities in the hope of getting some compensation for themselves.
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FourPart;1477421 wrote: Regarding the WMD bit, even that is a case of Innocent Until ProvenGuilty, otherwise all the alleged perpetrators would be inside by now . .........
Well, they've been flaunting their pseudo-immunity haven't they. That's not quite the same thing as “innocent until proven guilty because the sort of “guilt you are I are talking about is that which is determined by law. These fellows are above the law. I would say they are completely lawLESS.
Well, they've been flaunting their pseudo-immunity haven't they. That's not quite the same thing as “innocent until proven guilty because the sort of “guilt you are I are talking about is that which is determined by law. These fellows are above the law. I would say they are completely lawLESS.
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High Threshold;1477426 wrote: Well, they've been flaunting their pseudo-immunity haven't they. That's not quite the same thing as “innocent until proven guilty because the sort of “guilt you are I are talking about is that which is determined by law. These fellows are above the law. I would say they are completely lawLESS.
Nobody is above the law. History has shown plenty of examples of leaders who thought otherwise & what became of them. However, regarding the initial point, it is still a case of Trial By Media, where the Media seeks to portray someone as guilty, regardless of the facts (or absence of them) simply because it makes for a better story. Until someone is proven guilty, they must be considered as innocent. If, for instance, someone who you had never seen before came up & accused you of having raped them 20 years ago, which would you rather have - a jury that based their verdict on the evidence, or one that based its verdict on what the media had reported?
Nobody is above the law. History has shown plenty of examples of leaders who thought otherwise & what became of them. However, regarding the initial point, it is still a case of Trial By Media, where the Media seeks to portray someone as guilty, regardless of the facts (or absence of them) simply because it makes for a better story. Until someone is proven guilty, they must be considered as innocent. If, for instance, someone who you had never seen before came up & accused you of having raped them 20 years ago, which would you rather have - a jury that based their verdict on the evidence, or one that based its verdict on what the media had reported?
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FourPart;1477511 wrote: Nobody is above the law.
Come along. There've been many bad guys who died peacefully in the sleep, unpunished. Idi Amin , Pol Pot. I expect Geo. Bush Jr. and Silvio Berlusconi will be two of them.
Come along. There've been many bad guys who died peacefully in the sleep, unpunished. Idi Amin , Pol Pot. I expect Geo. Bush Jr. and Silvio Berlusconi will be two of them.
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There are plenty of others who you could say the same about. Jimmy Savile (technically innocent, as he was never brought to trial, although the case sufficiently proven post mortem), for instance. There were also hundreds of Nazi War Criminals who have escaped justice. There are thousands of serial killers who have never been caught. You just need to look at all those who HAVE paid the price. Saddam Hussein, The French Royalty, Mary, Queen of Scots, All those at Nuremburg, etc., etc. All of these thought of themselves as being above the law.
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FourPart;1477376 wrote: I think it's generally accepted that Fox is the US TV version of the UK Daily Mail. They take the slightest story & put the extreme Right Wing Spin on it.
Well, I would like you to point out the "Right Wing" spin on this story.
FourPart;1477376 wrote: I mean that most reputable companies have an official disciplinary policy that doesn't prejudge anyone without looking into the facts first.
That is all fine and dandy, but all my life I worked in "Right to Work" states. It gives the employee the right to quit at a moments notice, and the employer to fire an employee and no reason need be given.
FourPart;1477376 wrote: If you are currently in employment (at least, with a reputable company) if you look into your Contract of Employment you should find something along those lines in there.
Funny thing I leaned a long time ago, you still work only as long as they like you.
FourPart;1477376 wrote: If the contents of that report were all the evidence to be placed at a trial he would be found Guilty As Sin. However, nothing has been reported that tells the story from his side, in his defence. It is a totally one-sided report & should be treated as such. Last I was aware there is a basic statute in most civilised countries that the accused is Innocent Until Proven Guilty? So far there has been no trial, no conclusion (as of date of report) & certainly no trial. That's not interpretation - that's fact.
It was a news report. Take it for what it is worth. It is not uncommon that first reports fall short of the complete story. It is not news to start spinning the story.
Well, I would like you to point out the "Right Wing" spin on this story.
FourPart;1477376 wrote: I mean that most reputable companies have an official disciplinary policy that doesn't prejudge anyone without looking into the facts first.
That is all fine and dandy, but all my life I worked in "Right to Work" states. It gives the employee the right to quit at a moments notice, and the employer to fire an employee and no reason need be given.
FourPart;1477376 wrote: If you are currently in employment (at least, with a reputable company) if you look into your Contract of Employment you should find something along those lines in there.
Funny thing I leaned a long time ago, you still work only as long as they like you.
FourPart;1477376 wrote: If the contents of that report were all the evidence to be placed at a trial he would be found Guilty As Sin. However, nothing has been reported that tells the story from his side, in his defence. It is a totally one-sided report & should be treated as such. Last I was aware there is a basic statute in most civilised countries that the accused is Innocent Until Proven Guilty? So far there has been no trial, no conclusion (as of date of report) & certainly no trial. That's not interpretation - that's fact.
It was a news report. Take it for what it is worth. It is not uncommon that first reports fall short of the complete story. It is not news to start spinning the story.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.