What a terrifying discovery !!!! It would seem (from the audio recording 'black box') that the pilot left the cockpit for a comfort break but on return could not open the cockpit door to return to his pilot's seat. Despite more anxious pleas from the pilot, the co-pilot did not unlock the door. The co-pilot's breathing was apparently steady and there were no words spoken. There were distant cries heard on the recording immediately prior to impact.
What state of mind was that 28 year old co-pilot in to even contemplate taking the lives of 144 innocent passengers (including babies !), and 5 other crew with him on his suicide mission. If that is what it was. That is nothing short of mass murder, if the crash was deliberate.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
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An horrific outcome, mind boggling.
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G#Gill;1476705 wrote: What a terrifying discovery !!!! It would seem (from the audio recording 'black box') that the pilot left the cockpit for a comfort break but on return could not open the cockpit door to return to his pilot's seat. Despite more anxious pleas from the pilot, the co-pilot did not unlock the door. The co-pilot's breathing was apparently steady and there were no words spoken. There were distant cries heard on the recording immediately prior to impact.
What state of mind was that 28 year old co-pilot in to even contemplate taking the lives of 144 innocent passengers (including babies !), and 5 other crew with him on his suicide mission. If that is what it was. That is nothing short of mass murder, if the crash was deliberate.
I want this pilot to take me home, post 16
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Pot. Kettle.
Every time I ever tried to discuss an aircraft event on ForumGarden you've tanked in complaining that, until an official enquiry had reported, it was unfair to discuss any aspect of the crash. You've changed your mind, Gill? I stopped posting on the subject eventually, the unjustified interference got so predictable and wearing.
What state of mind was that 28 year old co-pilot in to even contemplate taking the lives of 144 innocent passengers (including babies !), and 5 other crew with him on his suicide mission. If that is what it was. That is nothing short of mass murder, if the crash was deliberate.
I want this pilot to take me home, post 16
I want this pilot to take me home, post 30
http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/gener ... ost1150937
Pot. Kettle.
Every time I ever tried to discuss an aircraft event on ForumGarden you've tanked in complaining that, until an official enquiry had reported, it was unfair to discuss any aspect of the crash. You've changed your mind, Gill? I stopped posting on the subject eventually, the unjustified interference got so predictable and wearing.
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G#Gill;1476705 wrote: What a terrifying discovery !!!! It would seem (from the audio recording 'black box') that the pilot left the cockpit for a comfort break but on return could not open the cockpit door to return to his pilot's seat. Despite more anxious pleas from the pilot, the co-pilot did not unlock the door. The co-pilot's breathing was apparently steady and there were no words spoken. There were distant cries heard on the recording immediately prior to impact.
What state of mind was that 28 year old co-pilot in to even contemplate taking the lives of 144 innocent passengers (including babies !), and 5 other crew with him on his suicide mission. If that is what it w
Is this really post #1? Background please.
What state of mind was that 28 year old co-pilot in to even contemplate taking the lives of 144 innocent passengers (including babies !), and 5 other crew with him on his suicide mission. If that is what it w
Is this really post #1? Background please.
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High Threshold;1476709 wrote: Is this really post #1? Background please.
The GermanWings flight that crashed in the Alps the other day?
It was in all the papers.
It seems odd. Most airlines have policy that when one of the flight deck crew must leave the flight deck, the forward attendant enters the flight deck so that the door can be opened from the inside, without the person piloting the plane needed to get up to unlock it. Meaning that there are always two people in the cockpit.
So, what happened, here?
The GermanWings flight that crashed in the Alps the other day?
It was in all the papers.
It seems odd. Most airlines have policy that when one of the flight deck crew must leave the flight deck, the forward attendant enters the flight deck so that the door can be opened from the inside, without the person piloting the plane needed to get up to unlock it. Meaning that there are always two people in the cockpit.
So, what happened, here?
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LarsMac;1476710 wrote: The GermanWings flight that crashed in the Alps the other day?
It was in all the papers.
With a 7-year-old at home I never get to see any TV. Really, I didn'thear a thing about it.
LarsMac;1476710 wrote: It seems odd. Most airlines have policy that when one of the flight deck crew must leave the flight deck, the forward attendant enters the flight deck so that the door can be opened from the inside, without the person piloting the plane needed to get up to unlock it. Meaning that there are always two people in the cockpit.
So, what happened, here?
My guess is the media haven't many facts. I think you're right about there being at least 2 of the crew in ther cockpit at all times.
It was in all the papers.
With a 7-year-old at home I never get to see any TV. Really, I didn'thear a thing about it.
LarsMac;1476710 wrote: It seems odd. Most airlines have policy that when one of the flight deck crew must leave the flight deck, the forward attendant enters the flight deck so that the door can be opened from the inside, without the person piloting the plane needed to get up to unlock it. Meaning that there are always two people in the cockpit.
So, what happened, here?
My guess is the media haven't many facts. I think you're right about there being at least 2 of the crew in ther cockpit at all times.
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High Threshold;1476715 wrote: With a 7-year-old at home I never get to see any TV. Really, I didn'thear a thing about it.
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But hang on. That the controls were switched “voluntarily seems a fair notion. But everything else? Not replying to radio queries, not opening the door, etc. isn't it too much to call all of that voluntary? He was breathing. He made no reply or response. There's no indication of voluntary action there.
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Apparently, in America there are rulings that there must always be two crew in the cockpit at any one time. I don't know whether this is the case on the continent though. If it is not the case, I bet it soon will be !
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G#Gill;1476722 wrote: Apparently, in America there are rulings that there must always be two crew in the cockpit at any one time. I don't know whether this is the case on the continent though. If it is not the case, I bet it soon will be !
My gut feeling tells me that there is never less than 2 in the cockpit at any time, except for the "after hours" window washer and the one doing the hoovering.
My gut feeling tells me that there is never less than 2 in the cockpit at any time, except for the "after hours" window washer and the one doing the hoovering.
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I was reading the BBC News page about it at work earlier on (during my lunch break, of course), when the breaking news came in about the co-pilot seemingly having done it deliberately.
As for the "Never Alone" policy. It seems that is not a Universal policy for all airlines & wasn't policy for GermanWings (Lufthansa).
Also, apparently the door could have been opened by way of a combination coded lock from the outside, but it's unknown as to why it wasn't.
As for the "Never Alone" policy. It seems that is not a Universal policy for all airlines & wasn't policy for GermanWings (Lufthansa).
Also, apparently the door could have been opened by way of a combination coded lock from the outside, but it's unknown as to why it wasn't.
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FourPart;1476729 wrote:
Also, apparently the door could have been opened by way of a combination coded lock from the outside, but it's unknown as to why it wasn't.
But only if they threw a switch inside the cockpit ?
Also, apparently the door could have been opened by way of a combination coded lock from the outside, but it's unknown as to why it wasn't.
But only if they threw a switch inside the cockpit ?
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Bruv;1476737 wrote: But only if they threw a switch inside the cockpit ?
No, the idea is so it could be used for emergency access & it's unknown why they didn't use it.
No, the idea is so it could be used for emergency access & it's unknown why they didn't use it.
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FourPart;1476738 wrote: No, the idea is so it could be used for emergency access & it's unknown why they didn't use it.
I could be wrong, but I saw a news sequence showing three position cockpit switch where presumably the outside combination could be over ridden from inside the cockpit.
This would might make sense if the combination got into the wrong hands in a crisis situation, on the face of it there should never be a reason for a pilot to want to independently over ride it, as in this tragedy.
I could be wrong, but I saw a news sequence showing three position cockpit switch where presumably the outside combination could be over ridden from inside the cockpit.
This would might make sense if the combination got into the wrong hands in a crisis situation, on the face of it there should never be a reason for a pilot to want to independently over ride it, as in this tragedy.
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'Should' never happen & 'Does' occasionally happen are 2 totally differnt things.
Now, how long before ISIS or Russia start getting blamed?
Now, how long before ISIS or Russia start getting blamed?
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HERE is the over ride system
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The video showed that the lock override can, itself, be overridden.
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FourPart;1476729 wrote: I was reading the BBC News page about it at work earlier on (during my lunch break, of course), when the breaking news came in about the co-pilot seemingly having done it deliberately.
As for the "Never Alone" policy. It seems that is not a Universal policy for all airlines & wasn't policy for GermanWings (Lufthansa).
Also, apparently the door could have been opened by way of a combination coded lock from the outside, but it's unknown as to why it wasn't.
I think you'll find that even that emergency code from the outside of the cockpit door can be over-ridden from somebody inside the cockpit.
Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz had to STOP his training because he was depressed and suffering 'burnout' | Daily Mail Online
Oh, and for Mr. spot's attention, I haven't changed my attitude. If you 'll notice, all I have done is repeat the reported findings from the audio recorded by the 'black box'. In the sentences that followed I carefully inserted 'if' with regard to the suspected suicide, and another 'if' with regard to possible 'deliberate' acts by the co-pilot . I think it may be almost impossible to sort out where in fact the co-pilot or the pilot was in the plane immediately before impact !
As for the "Never Alone" policy. It seems that is not a Universal policy for all airlines & wasn't policy for GermanWings (Lufthansa).
Also, apparently the door could have been opened by way of a combination coded lock from the outside, but it's unknown as to why it wasn't.
I think you'll find that even that emergency code from the outside of the cockpit door can be over-ridden from somebody inside the cockpit.
Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz had to STOP his training because he was depressed and suffering 'burnout' | Daily Mail Online
Oh, and for Mr. spot's attention, I haven't changed my attitude. If you 'll notice, all I have done is repeat the reported findings from the audio recorded by the 'black box'. In the sentences that followed I carefully inserted 'if' with regard to the suspected suicide, and another 'if' with regard to possible 'deliberate' acts by the co-pilot . I think it may be almost impossible to sort out where in fact the co-pilot or the pilot was in the plane immediately before impact !
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FourPart;1476749 wrote: The video showed that the lock override can, itself, be overridden.
Watch it again.
Watch it again.
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FourPart;1476749 wrote: The video showed that the lock override can, itself, be overridden.
In other words, a ménage á trois.
In other words, a ménage á trois.
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G#Gill;1476752 wrote: Oh, and for Mr. spot's attention, I haven't changed my attitude. If you 'll notice, all I have done is repeat the reported findings from the audio recorded by the 'black box'. In the sentences that followed I carefully inserted 'if' with regard to the suspected suicide, and another 'if' with regard to possible 'deliberate' acts by the co-pilot . I think it may be almost impossible to sort out where in fact the co-pilot or the pilot was in the plane immediately before impact !
Perhaps I should have quoted rather than merely linked.Quote 1. Having put our personal interpretations on this incident, perhaps it would be wise to await the official enquiry reports, before pointing accusing fingers in any directions. It does seem such a pity that some people are so quick to lay blame on the pilots, in cases of aircraft incidents, when it is patently obvious that full details are unavailable to the general public until a full enquiry has been completed. Until then, it is only guess work, and misleading assumptions are often made
Quote 2. I wish Spot would put his bone down and be patient, and not make these accusations without evidence (that he is so keen on insisting from others). Oh and Spot, evidence is not just the viewing of a video, or heresay, it is the crew's evidence, the 'black box' evidence, the Control Tower evidence ---- '101' sources of evidence.
Quote 3. Once again, Spot, you are making judgements of your own before the full facts are known. I've had this out with you before, if you remember - nobody has a right to make judgements like you have unless they were in the cockpit, or in the control tower. Do not condemn the pilots till you have ALL the facts before you - it is a very dangerous 'game' you are playing !!!! That is all I have to say about the matter.
You have little idea how annoyed I became at getting locked out of threads by your sanctimonious whining to "wait for the official enquiry" before offering comment.
Perhaps I should have quoted rather than merely linked.Quote 1. Having put our personal interpretations on this incident, perhaps it would be wise to await the official enquiry reports, before pointing accusing fingers in any directions. It does seem such a pity that some people are so quick to lay blame on the pilots, in cases of aircraft incidents, when it is patently obvious that full details are unavailable to the general public until a full enquiry has been completed. Until then, it is only guess work, and misleading assumptions are often made
Quote 2. I wish Spot would put his bone down and be patient, and not make these accusations without evidence (that he is so keen on insisting from others). Oh and Spot, evidence is not just the viewing of a video, or heresay, it is the crew's evidence, the 'black box' evidence, the Control Tower evidence ---- '101' sources of evidence.
Quote 3. Once again, Spot, you are making judgements of your own before the full facts are known. I've had this out with you before, if you remember - nobody has a right to make judgements like you have unless they were in the cockpit, or in the control tower. Do not condemn the pilots till you have ALL the facts before you - it is a very dangerous 'game' you are playing !!!! That is all I have to say about the matter.
You have little idea how annoyed I became at getting locked out of threads by your sanctimonious whining to "wait for the official enquiry" before offering comment.
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[Quote spot: You have little idea how annoyed I became at getting locked out of threads by your sanctimonious whining to wait for the official enquiry before offering comment. Quote]
And quite right too Mr. spot ! Perhaps you now understand how other people feel when they are on the receiving end of one of your pedantic lectures !
And quite right too Mr. spot ! Perhaps you now understand how other people feel when they are on the receiving end of one of your pedantic lectures !
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G#Gill;1476770 wrote: And quite right too Mr. spot ! Perhaps you now understand how other people feel when they are on the receiving end of one of your pedantic lectures !
You seem unaware of the simple fact that I have invariably been correct, logically unassailable and supremely well informed, in contrast to your own offerings.
You seem unaware of the simple fact that I have invariably been correct, logically unassailable and supremely well informed, in contrast to your own offerings.
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Mr. spot, your pedantry is only exceeded by your arrogance. Now let us cease this floccinaucinihilipilification, please !
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890. Germanwings airliner crash was a plot (3/29/2015)
I think Germanwings airline crash was similar to recent airplane accidents – MH370, MH17. It was done by a big black hand. The purpose is to intimidate German to join war against Russia in Ukraine. France was warned too – that was Paris Hebdo “terror attack”. Now it’s German’s turn.
In disappearance case of MH370, I allege they used Uninterruptible autopilot system. (see #825, 826, 830, 832, 835, 851) In this case, they used EM sleep wave.
Co-pilot Lubitz was in forced asleep and couldn’t react to any outside world’s noise.
Who was Andreas Lubitz, Germanwings co-pilot blamed for crash?
By Diana Magnay, Ashley Fantz and Catherine E. Shoichet, CNN
, Fri March 27, 2015
The only sound the recorder picked up from Lubitz as the Airbus A320 went down, Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said, was the co-pilot's steady breathing.
Andreas Lubitz, Germanwings co-pilot hid illness, prosecutor says - CNN.com
I had a lot of experience with that mandated sleep wave. It was a “sudden, irresistible sleepiness”. I couldn’t wake up even if there was a severe headache. (Headache was caused by a separate EM microwave ray shooting, sleep wave only force people to go asleep) I wrote about this 13 years ago. See “12. Mind control EM sleep wave (1)” to # 16. EM sleep wave
“Steady breathing” may well explain Rubitz was in deep sleep. Air-controller’s communication, knock at cabinet door, passengers’ scream, none could interrupt him. As for the locked door, if someone could install sleep device in cockpit, they could do similar work as well.
I think Germanwings airline crash was similar to recent airplane accidents – MH370, MH17. It was done by a big black hand. The purpose is to intimidate German to join war against Russia in Ukraine. France was warned too – that was Paris Hebdo “terror attack”. Now it’s German’s turn.
In disappearance case of MH370, I allege they used Uninterruptible autopilot system. (see #825, 826, 830, 832, 835, 851) In this case, they used EM sleep wave.
Co-pilot Lubitz was in forced asleep and couldn’t react to any outside world’s noise.
Who was Andreas Lubitz, Germanwings co-pilot blamed for crash?
By Diana Magnay, Ashley Fantz and Catherine E. Shoichet, CNN
, Fri March 27, 2015
The only sound the recorder picked up from Lubitz as the Airbus A320 went down, Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said, was the co-pilot's steady breathing.
Andreas Lubitz, Germanwings co-pilot hid illness, prosecutor says - CNN.com
I had a lot of experience with that mandated sleep wave. It was a “sudden, irresistible sleepiness”. I couldn’t wake up even if there was a severe headache. (Headache was caused by a separate EM microwave ray shooting, sleep wave only force people to go asleep) I wrote about this 13 years ago. See “12. Mind control EM sleep wave (1)” to # 16. EM sleep wave
“Steady breathing” may well explain Rubitz was in deep sleep. Air-controller’s communication, knock at cabinet door, passengers’ scream, none could interrupt him. As for the locked door, if someone could install sleep device in cockpit, they could do similar work as well.
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katsung47;1477157 wrote: 890. Germanwings airliner crash was a plot (3/29/2015)
I think Germanwings airline crash was similar to recent airplane accidents MH370, MH17. It was done by a big black hand. The purpose is to intimidate German to join war against Russia in Ukraine. France was warned too that was Paris Hebdo terror attack. Now its Germans turn.
In disappearance case of MH370, I allege they used Uninterruptible autopilot system. (see #825, 826, 830, 832, 835, 851) In this case, they used EM sleep wave.
Co-pilot Lubitz was in forced asleep and couldnt react to any outside worlds noise.
I had a lot of experience with that mandated sleep wave. It was a sudden, irresistible sleepiness. I couldnt wake up even if there was a severe headache. (Headache was caused by a separate EM microwave ray shooting, sleep wave only force people to go asleep) I wrote about this 13 years ago. See 12. Mind control EM sleep wave (1) to # 16. EM sleep wave
Steady breathing may well explain Rubitz was in deep sleep. Air-controllers communication, knock at cabinet door, passengers scream, none could interrupt him. As for the locked door, if someone could install sleep device in cockpit, they could do similar work as well.
FourPart;1476744 wrote:
Now, how long before ISIS or Russia start getting blamed?
What did I tell you? I knew it wouldn't be long before Katsung came up with his (or her) crazy theories.
I think Germanwings airline crash was similar to recent airplane accidents MH370, MH17. It was done by a big black hand. The purpose is to intimidate German to join war against Russia in Ukraine. France was warned too that was Paris Hebdo terror attack. Now its Germans turn.
In disappearance case of MH370, I allege they used Uninterruptible autopilot system. (see #825, 826, 830, 832, 835, 851) In this case, they used EM sleep wave.
Co-pilot Lubitz was in forced asleep and couldnt react to any outside worlds noise.
I had a lot of experience with that mandated sleep wave. It was a sudden, irresistible sleepiness. I couldnt wake up even if there was a severe headache. (Headache was caused by a separate EM microwave ray shooting, sleep wave only force people to go asleep) I wrote about this 13 years ago. See 12. Mind control EM sleep wave (1) to # 16. EM sleep wave
Steady breathing may well explain Rubitz was in deep sleep. Air-controllers communication, knock at cabinet door, passengers scream, none could interrupt him. As for the locked door, if someone could install sleep device in cockpit, they could do similar work as well.
FourPart;1476744 wrote:
Now, how long before ISIS or Russia start getting blamed?
What did I tell you? I knew it wouldn't be long before Katsung came up with his (or her) crazy theories.
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katsung47;1477157 wrote: 890. Germanwings airliner crash was a plot (3/29/2015)
i think germanwings airline crash was similar to recent airplane accidents mh370, mh17. It was done by a big black hand. The purpose is to intimidate german to join war against russia in ukraine. France was warned too that was paris hebdo terror attack. Now its germans turn.
In disappearance case of mh370, i allege they used uninterruptible autopilot system. (see #825, 826, 830, 832, 835, 851) in this case, they used em sleep wave.
Co-pilot lubitz was in forced asleep and couldnt react to any outside worlds noise.
I had a lot of experience with that mandated sleep wave. It was a sudden, irresistible sleepiness. I couldnt wake up even if there was a severe headache. (headache was caused by a separate em microwave ray shooting, sleep wave only force people to go asleep) i wrote about this 13 years ago. See 12. Mind control em sleep wave (1) to # 16. em sleep wave
steady breathing may well explain rubitz was in deep sleep. Air-controllers communication, knock at cabinet door, passengers scream, none could interrupt him. As for the locked door, if someone could install sleep device in cockpit, they could do similar work as well.
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i think germanwings airline crash was similar to recent airplane accidents mh370, mh17. It was done by a big black hand. The purpose is to intimidate german to join war against russia in ukraine. France was warned too that was paris hebdo terror attack. Now its germans turn.
In disappearance case of mh370, i allege they used uninterruptible autopilot system. (see #825, 826, 830, 832, 835, 851) in this case, they used em sleep wave.
Co-pilot lubitz was in forced asleep and couldnt react to any outside worlds noise.
I had a lot of experience with that mandated sleep wave. It was a sudden, irresistible sleepiness. I couldnt wake up even if there was a severe headache. (headache was caused by a separate em microwave ray shooting, sleep wave only force people to go asleep) i wrote about this 13 years ago. See 12. Mind control em sleep wave (1) to # 16. em sleep wave
steady breathing may well explain rubitz was in deep sleep. Air-controllers communication, knock at cabinet door, passengers scream, none could interrupt him. As for the locked door, if someone could install sleep device in cockpit, they could do similar work as well.
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Katsung please go and play on Facebook ! I'm afraid nobody takes you seriously here !
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G#Gill;1477170 wrote: Katsung please go and play on Facebook ! I'm afraid nobody takes you seriously here !
Play on the motorway better ?
Play on the motorway better ?
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Bruv;1477172 wrote: Play on the motorway better ?
Better still - atke the laptop & play on FaceBook on the motorway, while sitting in the middle of the ovetaking lane.
Better still - atke the laptop & play on FaceBook on the motorway, while sitting in the middle of the ovetaking lane.
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12. Mind control EM sleep wave (1)
When I talked about microwave killing, some readers asked if that is a mind control pulse wave. I went to the web site they gave me. The neuro-electrical magnet wave which imitate brain wave could produce Microwave hearing,forced speech, etc. I don't have that kind of experience, or maybe they have applied it on me but I didn't know. Because it is hard to tell which is natural or caused by remote control frequency weapon. But I do know there is an EM sleep wave which is vastly in use by law enforcement agent.
It was in 1992. One Tuesday morning on my way to Galt. On highway 205, a strong sleep desire fell on me. It was a straight highway, so I tried to drive with eyes closed a little while. But once eye closed, it's hard to open my lids again. I had to fight against drowsiness with extraordinary effort. Then I turned on to highway 120. It was a narrow road with only one lane each way. In dim, I suddenly found there was a dark shadow before me. it was a big truck with a trailer. It stopped on road and started to move when I approached. The sudden lit of tail lamp was so bright red, like in my hands' reach. I made an emergency brake. The cargo in my van rushed forward with inertia, bang hit the front window glass . I could hear the crack sound of porcelain. Luckily I didn't hit the trailer. It was only inches away. My body was wet all over by sweat. Strange for me, such a big scare didn't drove sleepy away. I fell into drowse again until there was another emergency brake. I found the truck driving at only 30 miles per hour. Sometime later, when I opened my lid, I found the truck sped away. It's the end of 120 and we would turned into 99, a busy highway where he could not drive at 30 miles any more.
Later when I had the experience of microwave radiation and other related suffering, I gradually realized there was a sleep wave. But at that time, though it was unusual, I only attributed this to sleepy. Who knew there was a mind control EM sleep wave?
13. Microwave ray shooting and EM sleep wave(2)
I was able to be aware of microwave killing due to a newspaper article. It said FBI's lab developed a tech
that they could shoot and penetrate iron plate in distance by microwave ray. By then I knew they could watch people behind wall by Infra-scanner already. And if they shoot microwave ray behind wall, it's really dangerous for innocent people. Unfortunately, this fell on me soon.
One midnight, I awoke with bitter headache. "They are shooting with microwave ray. I must find something to cover me." I alarmed myself. But before I could do something, an irresistible sleepiness overcame me. I fell in sleep again. This scene repeated several times that night. I always fell in sleep after awakening by headache.
Next day, the headache was so severe that a slight movement would cause suffering. It lasted several days. I thought there was an internal hemorrhage or swell in my head. With great fear, I gathered a lot of metal plates, iron cabinet in my bedroom and slept behind them at night.
Though I was once puzzled how could I go sleep while having heavy headache, I was still didn't aware of there was a sleep wave then.
14. EM sleep wave (3)
I used to sit on a sofa where I could watch TV as well as reading. That day about 5 p.m, when I was reading newspaper, a sudden drowsiness fell on me. It was so strong that I went to my bedroom right away. Once laying on bed, there was no sleepiness at all, not a little bit. That really puzzled me. I went back to sitting room and sitting on sofa, immediately, sleepiness grasped me again. This time I recalled two events happened before. The drowsiness feeling were so similar. They were all deep and irresistible.
I was in panic. What was that? I knew they were using radioactive material and microwave. It seemed that it was a ray with limit field, because my bedroom is just a few feet away and I could not feel it there. I guessed it was a kind of microwave with different frequency and worried it might hurt my brain because it restrained my mind so deeply that I couldn't help to go sleep. On the otherhand, it was a pure feeling of drowsiness, no pain, no dizziness, only extraordinary strong desire to sleep. If I hadn't have above experiences, I would never know its existence. How could you tell it from a nature one.
15. EM sleep wave in China (4)
In 1993, I abandoned my job in flea market. In July 1994, I went to China. I was tired to sleep under the cover of metal plates in U.S. My friends in China stopped communication with me so I knew Chinese police were cooperative with U.S.A.'s, but I thought they would not use high tech. weapon against an innocent man.
I lived in my uncle's home. It was an apartment on third floor (toppest floor) in the building. In August, I heard a noise on roof. People said someone was installing a commercial billboard there. I saw workers erect power transmission lines on roof. A few days later, about 7 o'clock in the morning, I was chatting with relatives when I felt a sudden feeling of sleepiness. I saw my aunt quickly fall in sleep. Other relatives said they were going to bed and back to their bedroom. I was very familiar with this - a sudden, irresistible sleepiness. Later that day I told them about the sleep wave. They didn't believe me. I understood because it was so natural that even I myself would not believe if I hadn't the experience.
This was the only time I felt they use it in China. I think they didn't expect I know sleep wave. When they found I know the secret, they gave it up. The work on roof was postponed. The billboard was never installed. Next year on May, when I left China, the metal shelf installed on August was still there, rusted.
Since then I knew the sleep wave can be a field which influence many people.
16. EM Sleep wave (5)
In 1996, I learned what is sleep wave from a book named 'CIA' (Chinese edition).
It said in July 1987, former Soviet leader Gorbachef flied to Thamalhan, a KGB base, to see an experiment. It was a tiger in the cage. The tiger was irritable. Dr. Chernianko pushed down a button. Within seconds, the furious tiger laid down as gentle as a cat.
Doctor told Gorbachef they successfully handled animal's sentiment by controlling it's brain nerve with remote control electrical wave.
CIA got the information and found Pentagon had first developed such technique. Military Intelligence Chief, general Ackerman was alleged delivering the secret to Soviets. Ackerman was shoot to death several days later. Pentagon announced he died of heart attack.
I immediately realized this was EM sleep wave.
The wave imitates human's sleep wave in brain. It's so natural that you can't tell if it is artificial. Nine years ago I could tell it because it was a sudden, strong feeling. Now they improved their technique. In same sofa I recently often gradually fell into drowse when I wrote article (for post in internet) in daytime. Only at the movement I would get into sleep, I'd realize same thing happened again and moved away. In other place, I never feel sleepy. I think I would never have known there's a sleep wave if they had used that improved technique(gradually go in sleep) nine years ago.
When I talked about microwave killing, some readers asked if that is a mind control pulse wave. I went to the web site they gave me. The neuro-electrical magnet wave which imitate brain wave could produce Microwave hearing,forced speech, etc. I don't have that kind of experience, or maybe they have applied it on me but I didn't know. Because it is hard to tell which is natural or caused by remote control frequency weapon. But I do know there is an EM sleep wave which is vastly in use by law enforcement agent.
It was in 1992. One Tuesday morning on my way to Galt. On highway 205, a strong sleep desire fell on me. It was a straight highway, so I tried to drive with eyes closed a little while. But once eye closed, it's hard to open my lids again. I had to fight against drowsiness with extraordinary effort. Then I turned on to highway 120. It was a narrow road with only one lane each way. In dim, I suddenly found there was a dark shadow before me. it was a big truck with a trailer. It stopped on road and started to move when I approached. The sudden lit of tail lamp was so bright red, like in my hands' reach. I made an emergency brake. The cargo in my van rushed forward with inertia, bang hit the front window glass . I could hear the crack sound of porcelain. Luckily I didn't hit the trailer. It was only inches away. My body was wet all over by sweat. Strange for me, such a big scare didn't drove sleepy away. I fell into drowse again until there was another emergency brake. I found the truck driving at only 30 miles per hour. Sometime later, when I opened my lid, I found the truck sped away. It's the end of 120 and we would turned into 99, a busy highway where he could not drive at 30 miles any more.
Later when I had the experience of microwave radiation and other related suffering, I gradually realized there was a sleep wave. But at that time, though it was unusual, I only attributed this to sleepy. Who knew there was a mind control EM sleep wave?
13. Microwave ray shooting and EM sleep wave(2)
I was able to be aware of microwave killing due to a newspaper article. It said FBI's lab developed a tech
that they could shoot and penetrate iron plate in distance by microwave ray. By then I knew they could watch people behind wall by Infra-scanner already. And if they shoot microwave ray behind wall, it's really dangerous for innocent people. Unfortunately, this fell on me soon.
One midnight, I awoke with bitter headache. "They are shooting with microwave ray. I must find something to cover me." I alarmed myself. But before I could do something, an irresistible sleepiness overcame me. I fell in sleep again. This scene repeated several times that night. I always fell in sleep after awakening by headache.
Next day, the headache was so severe that a slight movement would cause suffering. It lasted several days. I thought there was an internal hemorrhage or swell in my head. With great fear, I gathered a lot of metal plates, iron cabinet in my bedroom and slept behind them at night.
Though I was once puzzled how could I go sleep while having heavy headache, I was still didn't aware of there was a sleep wave then.
14. EM sleep wave (3)
I used to sit on a sofa where I could watch TV as well as reading. That day about 5 p.m, when I was reading newspaper, a sudden drowsiness fell on me. It was so strong that I went to my bedroom right away. Once laying on bed, there was no sleepiness at all, not a little bit. That really puzzled me. I went back to sitting room and sitting on sofa, immediately, sleepiness grasped me again. This time I recalled two events happened before. The drowsiness feeling were so similar. They were all deep and irresistible.
I was in panic. What was that? I knew they were using radioactive material and microwave. It seemed that it was a ray with limit field, because my bedroom is just a few feet away and I could not feel it there. I guessed it was a kind of microwave with different frequency and worried it might hurt my brain because it restrained my mind so deeply that I couldn't help to go sleep. On the otherhand, it was a pure feeling of drowsiness, no pain, no dizziness, only extraordinary strong desire to sleep. If I hadn't have above experiences, I would never know its existence. How could you tell it from a nature one.
15. EM sleep wave in China (4)
In 1993, I abandoned my job in flea market. In July 1994, I went to China. I was tired to sleep under the cover of metal plates in U.S. My friends in China stopped communication with me so I knew Chinese police were cooperative with U.S.A.'s, but I thought they would not use high tech. weapon against an innocent man.
I lived in my uncle's home. It was an apartment on third floor (toppest floor) in the building. In August, I heard a noise on roof. People said someone was installing a commercial billboard there. I saw workers erect power transmission lines on roof. A few days later, about 7 o'clock in the morning, I was chatting with relatives when I felt a sudden feeling of sleepiness. I saw my aunt quickly fall in sleep. Other relatives said they were going to bed and back to their bedroom. I was very familiar with this - a sudden, irresistible sleepiness. Later that day I told them about the sleep wave. They didn't believe me. I understood because it was so natural that even I myself would not believe if I hadn't the experience.
This was the only time I felt they use it in China. I think they didn't expect I know sleep wave. When they found I know the secret, they gave it up. The work on roof was postponed. The billboard was never installed. Next year on May, when I left China, the metal shelf installed on August was still there, rusted.
Since then I knew the sleep wave can be a field which influence many people.
16. EM Sleep wave (5)
In 1996, I learned what is sleep wave from a book named 'CIA' (Chinese edition).
It said in July 1987, former Soviet leader Gorbachef flied to Thamalhan, a KGB base, to see an experiment. It was a tiger in the cage. The tiger was irritable. Dr. Chernianko pushed down a button. Within seconds, the furious tiger laid down as gentle as a cat.
Doctor told Gorbachef they successfully handled animal's sentiment by controlling it's brain nerve with remote control electrical wave.
CIA got the information and found Pentagon had first developed such technique. Military Intelligence Chief, general Ackerman was alleged delivering the secret to Soviets. Ackerman was shoot to death several days later. Pentagon announced he died of heart attack.
I immediately realized this was EM sleep wave.
The wave imitates human's sleep wave in brain. It's so natural that you can't tell if it is artificial. Nine years ago I could tell it because it was a sudden, strong feeling. Now they improved their technique. In same sofa I recently often gradually fell into drowse when I wrote article (for post in internet) in daytime. Only at the movement I would get into sleep, I'd realize same thing happened again and moved away. In other place, I never feel sleepy. I think I would never have known there's a sleep wave if they had used that improved technique(gradually go in sleep) nine years ago.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
This is sheer class. Straight from Flash Gordon. This just has to be the guy who wraps himself in baking foil to protect himself from the Alien Mind Control Rays.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
I am pretty sure that I saw him once on the Santa Clara Light rail. That headpiece is a work of art.
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Let's be careful about who we scoff. Most of the details of katsung's complaint are accurate. Whether their application is as he says is another matter ¦. but I am not willing to discount his accusations out of hand.
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High Threshold;1477204 wrote: Let's be careful about who we scoff. Most of the details of katsung's complaint are accurate. Whether their application is as he says is another matter ¦. :-2
Right.
High Threshold;1477204 wrote: but I am not willing to discount his accusations out of hand.
I am.
Right.
High Threshold;1477204 wrote: but I am not willing to discount his accusations out of hand.
I am.
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Especially when it's the same accusation about everything. How else od you think I was able to predict what he'd come up with?
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FourPart;1477219 wrote: Especially when it's the same accusation about everything. How else od you think I was able to predict what he'd come up with?
Yes, I know. I saw it. As I said, "Whether their application is as he says is another matter". Still, the methods have been proven, despite the claims of "conspiracy theory" rhetoric from high places. The thing is that I experience shock as one after another "conspiracy theory" turns out to be true so that now I don't really think that I know where the boundary between fact and fiction lies. I now take most things with a pinch of salt and sugar while keeping an open mind. You cannot deny that the CIA have been up to some unbelievably dirty tricks that often seem science fiction, and 1984 has definitely arrived.
So really, as crazy as katsung's ideas seem, none of it hasn't already been tried in one form or another. The questions are, “Does anyone profit? Who does? Could it be a long-term operation that beds for the next phase? In that context NOTHING is impossible or even improbable, with regards to what we've already seen. And no, I am not supporting katsung's latest “idea. It's not quite the same thing as admitting his claims are not impossible and I won't be jumping onboard the slander train just because it's the popular thing to do.
Yes, I know. I saw it. As I said, "Whether their application is as he says is another matter". Still, the methods have been proven, despite the claims of "conspiracy theory" rhetoric from high places. The thing is that I experience shock as one after another "conspiracy theory" turns out to be true so that now I don't really think that I know where the boundary between fact and fiction lies. I now take most things with a pinch of salt and sugar while keeping an open mind. You cannot deny that the CIA have been up to some unbelievably dirty tricks that often seem science fiction, and 1984 has definitely arrived.
So really, as crazy as katsung's ideas seem, none of it hasn't already been tried in one form or another. The questions are, “Does anyone profit? Who does? Could it be a long-term operation that beds for the next phase? In that context NOTHING is impossible or even improbable, with regards to what we've already seen. And no, I am not supporting katsung's latest “idea. It's not quite the same thing as admitting his claims are not impossible and I won't be jumping onboard the slander train just because it's the popular thing to do.
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He's just the political side of Pahu's Creationism. Easily convinced by some other nutter's bizarre notions - driven to convert everyone else to the lunacy, oblivious to how ridiculous it makes him look.
The whole point about plausible Conspiracy Theories is just that. They have to be plausible to some degree & most of all include a motive. The most famous is probably the Faked Lunar Landings. The motive was most certainly there, being at the peak of the Space Race, but that fact that the Russians woud have been carefully monitoring every single move conveniently seems to be ignored. Katsungs theories, on the other hand rarely have any motive whatsoever. Someone known to be suicidal takes over control of a plane & crashes it into a mountain. Although tragic, only though on the plane were killed. If it were genuinely a conspiracy would it not have made far more sense to crash it into some politically sensitive location?
If you think about it, spreading such Conspiracy Theories as he does is no different to the Hate Preachers we are facing, and they're being prosecuted for their actions. If the Conspiracies were being made on the grounds of it being the Jews, Islam or the Blacks being the cause of these supposed secret activities, would they be accepted in quite so tolerant a way? Of course not. Regardless of whether the theories are directed at the Russians or the Americans it remains a fact that by making unfounded claims on the basis of the nationality of a country it is Racist againt that particular country.
The whole point about plausible Conspiracy Theories is just that. They have to be plausible to some degree & most of all include a motive. The most famous is probably the Faked Lunar Landings. The motive was most certainly there, being at the peak of the Space Race, but that fact that the Russians woud have been carefully monitoring every single move conveniently seems to be ignored. Katsungs theories, on the other hand rarely have any motive whatsoever. Someone known to be suicidal takes over control of a plane & crashes it into a mountain. Although tragic, only though on the plane were killed. If it were genuinely a conspiracy would it not have made far more sense to crash it into some politically sensitive location?
If you think about it, spreading such Conspiracy Theories as he does is no different to the Hate Preachers we are facing, and they're being prosecuted for their actions. If the Conspiracies were being made on the grounds of it being the Jews, Islam or the Blacks being the cause of these supposed secret activities, would they be accepted in quite so tolerant a way? Of course not. Regardless of whether the theories are directed at the Russians or the Americans it remains a fact that by making unfounded claims on the basis of the nationality of a country it is Racist againt that particular country.
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FourPart;1477225 wrote: He's just the political side of Pahu's Creationism. Easily convinced by some other nutter's bizarre notions - driven to convert everyone else to the lunacy, oblivious to how ridiculous it makes him look.
I know.
FourPart;1477225 wrote: The whole point about plausible Conspiracy Theories is just that. They have to be plausible to some degree & most of all include a motive. The most famous is probably the Faked Lunar Landings. The motive was most certainly there, being at the peak of the Space Race, but that fact that the Russians woud have been carefully monitoring every single move conveniently seems to be ignored. Katsungs theories, on the other hand rarely have any motive whatsoever. Someone known to be suicidal takes over control of a plane & crashes it into a mountain. Although tragic, only though on the plane were killed. If it were genuinely a conspiracy would it not have made far more sense to crash it into some politically sensitive location?
I know.
FourPart;1477225 wrote: If you think about it, spreading such Conspiracy Theories as he does is no different to the Hate Preachers we are facing, and they're being prosecuted for their actions. If the Conspiracies were being made on the grounds of it being the Jews, Islam or the Blacks being the cause of these supposed secret activities, would they be accepted in quite so tolerant a way? Of course not. Regardless of whether the theories are directed at the Russians or the Americans it remains a fact that by making unfounded claims on the basis of the nationality of a country it is Racist againt that particular country.
I have to agree.
I know.
FourPart;1477225 wrote: The whole point about plausible Conspiracy Theories is just that. They have to be plausible to some degree & most of all include a motive. The most famous is probably the Faked Lunar Landings. The motive was most certainly there, being at the peak of the Space Race, but that fact that the Russians woud have been carefully monitoring every single move conveniently seems to be ignored. Katsungs theories, on the other hand rarely have any motive whatsoever. Someone known to be suicidal takes over control of a plane & crashes it into a mountain. Although tragic, only though on the plane were killed. If it were genuinely a conspiracy would it not have made far more sense to crash it into some politically sensitive location?
I know.
FourPart;1477225 wrote: If you think about it, spreading such Conspiracy Theories as he does is no different to the Hate Preachers we are facing, and they're being prosecuted for their actions. If the Conspiracies were being made on the grounds of it being the Jews, Islam or the Blacks being the cause of these supposed secret activities, would they be accepted in quite so tolerant a way? Of course not. Regardless of whether the theories are directed at the Russians or the Americans it remains a fact that by making unfounded claims on the basis of the nationality of a country it is Racist againt that particular country.
I have to agree.
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High Threshold;1477204 wrote: Let's be careful about who we scoff. Most of the details of katsung's complaint are accurate. Whether their application is as he says is another matter ¦. but I am not willing to discount his accusations out of hand.
Apart from the fact that the co-pilot was not asleep - he was actively manipulating the controls all the way down so the use of any form of sleep ray is out of the question.
Apart from the fact that the co-pilot was not asleep - he was actively manipulating the controls all the way down so the use of any form of sleep ray is out of the question.
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Bryn Mawr;1477242 wrote: Apart from the fact that the co-pilot was not asleep - he was actively manipulating the controls all the way down so the use of any form of sleep ray is out of the question.
Perhaps he was sleep-walking?
Perhaps he was sleep-walking?
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When I was doing Car Deliveries for a living, one of the primary hazards was that of fatigue & falling asleep at the wheel. It's not even always a matter of the number of hours without a break, although that, of course, can be a major factor. It's the long roads, as with motorways which look the same all the way, and the image burns itself into the retina so that even when you close your eyes you can still 'see' that image. Because of this despite being on the verge of dozing off, with your eyes closed, your mind can tell you that because you can still see the road, then you're still awake. It's the hypnotic conditions in that sort of conditions, and not any form of Flash Gordon 'Sleep Ray'.
If the co-pilot was alone for long periods, a similar effect would be understandable. However, on a flight such as this, he was only alone for few minutes while the pilot popped out to the toilet. Also, I would imagine that under normal circumstances the plane would have been on Auto Pilot anyway, unless it was physically turned to Manual Control.
Katsung's had some crazy notions in the past, but a 'Sleep Ray' has to be a classic, even for him. That's one for the books.
If the co-pilot was alone for long periods, a similar effect would be understandable. However, on a flight such as this, he was only alone for few minutes while the pilot popped out to the toilet. Also, I would imagine that under normal circumstances the plane would have been on Auto Pilot anyway, unless it was physically turned to Manual Control.
Katsung's had some crazy notions in the past, but a 'Sleep Ray' has to be a classic, even for him. That's one for the books.
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FourPart;1477247 wrote: .... one of the primary hazards was that of fatigue & falling asleep at the wheel. ..... It's the hypnotic conditions in that sort of conditions, and not any form of Flash Gordon 'Sleep Ray'.
..... Also, I would imagine that under normal circumstances the plane would have been on Auto Pilot anyway, unless it was physically turned to Manual Control.
I am having serious difficulties keeping a straight face with the subject phraseology. Would it be alright if we replace the term “sleep ray with something more scientific-sounding? I don't know ¦ like “drowse accelerator or “wake inhibitor.
Anyway, it's already been established that the co-pilot DID switch off the auto pilot (another Flash Gordon contrivance) so we can assume the Drowse Accelerator's MFI – Motor Function Impediment was disengaged. Standard procedure with CIA in-flight operations.
..... Also, I would imagine that under normal circumstances the plane would have been on Auto Pilot anyway, unless it was physically turned to Manual Control.
I am having serious difficulties keeping a straight face with the subject phraseology. Would it be alright if we replace the term “sleep ray with something more scientific-sounding? I don't know ¦ like “drowse accelerator or “wake inhibitor.
Anyway, it's already been established that the co-pilot DID switch off the auto pilot (another Flash Gordon contrivance) so we can assume the Drowse Accelerator's MFI – Motor Function Impediment was disengaged. Standard procedure with CIA in-flight operations.
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Maybe it should be the Crew's Control?
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FourPart;1477254 wrote: Maybe it should be the Crew's Control?
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His primary contention seems to be that nation states perform these events in order to compel other nation states to their way of thinking. The problem with this notion is that the events are flea-bites, trivial in the context of any nation state, without the least aspect of so much as a threat about them. You secretly brought down a plane of ours? Bully for you, why bother.
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spot;1477333 wrote: His primary contention seems to be that nation states perform these events in order to compel other nation states to their way of thinking.
I agree with him.
spot;1477333 wrote: The problem with this notion is that the events are flea-bites, trivial in the context of any nation state, without the least aspect of so much as a threat about them. You secretly brought down a plane of ours? Bully for you, why bother.
Perhps if he'd have been more diligent in supporting and motivating "this particular case" then we (I) would listen more closely. As it is however, there isn't enough substance to carry it the first yard.
I agree with him.
spot;1477333 wrote: The problem with this notion is that the events are flea-bites, trivial in the context of any nation state, without the least aspect of so much as a threat about them. You secretly brought down a plane of ours? Bully for you, why bother.
Perhps if he'd have been more diligent in supporting and motivating "this particular case" then we (I) would listen more closely. As it is however, there isn't enough substance to carry it the first yard.
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High Threshold;1477335 wrote: I agree with him.There are documented instances of nation states doing it to their own infrastructure in order to compel their citizenry to support otherwise insufferable security policies. A citizen can be far more easily coerced than a government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension describes the instances I have in mind, particularly the bombing of the Central Station at Bologna.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension describes the instances I have in mind, particularly the bombing of the Central Station at Bologna.
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spot;1477338 wrote: There are documented instances of nation states doing it to their own infrastructure in order to compel their citizenry to support otherwise insufferable security policies. A citizen can be far more easily coerced than a government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension describes the instances I have in mind, particularly the bombing of the Central Station at Bologna.
Sure. The CIA, FBI, KGB, have been doing it for ages. From the U.S. it's been the fabricated fear of Communism to perpetuate the exploitation of the poor, and now Islam/terrorism to support the NSA. They falsely accused Iran of Communist endeavours. False reports of pro-Communist, anti-American Castro. False propaganda of Communist infiltration of Chile, Panama, Grenada, etc. Americans still today say that the invasion of Irak secured and protected “our freedom. It goes on and on.
I don't know if it's relevant to the coercion of governments and citizens or not but I can't help but think of Tariq Assis. He was interviewed during the threat of invasion. I can't actually quote him but what he said in essence was this:
> we know the U.S. is going to invade. They will not be deterred by the UN or the fact that we have no weapons of mass destruction. It doesn't matter. The U.S. wants to get its hands on our oil fields. We know the U.S. is going to invade no matter what.<
It was the way he said it. He was completely void of any hope and he probably knew he'd be facing the noose any day. There was no optimism left in him. Yes, the U.S. presented a false story of WMD's. They planted fake evidence, a series of “flea-bites as you say. All of those accumulative flea bites eventually took off the arms, the legs, the torso and the head.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_of_tension describes the instances I have in mind, particularly the bombing of the Central Station at Bologna.
Sure. The CIA, FBI, KGB, have been doing it for ages. From the U.S. it's been the fabricated fear of Communism to perpetuate the exploitation of the poor, and now Islam/terrorism to support the NSA. They falsely accused Iran of Communist endeavours. False reports of pro-Communist, anti-American Castro. False propaganda of Communist infiltration of Chile, Panama, Grenada, etc. Americans still today say that the invasion of Irak secured and protected “our freedom. It goes on and on.
I don't know if it's relevant to the coercion of governments and citizens or not but I can't help but think of Tariq Assis. He was interviewed during the threat of invasion. I can't actually quote him but what he said in essence was this:
> we know the U.S. is going to invade. They will not be deterred by the UN or the fact that we have no weapons of mass destruction. It doesn't matter. The U.S. wants to get its hands on our oil fields. We know the U.S. is going to invade no matter what.<
It was the way he said it. He was completely void of any hope and he probably knew he'd be facing the noose any day. There was no optimism left in him. Yes, the U.S. presented a false story of WMD's. They planted fake evidence, a series of “flea-bites as you say. All of those accumulative flea bites eventually took off the arms, the legs, the torso and the head.
Is the Alps plane crash a case of suicide by co-pilot ?
In #845, I talked about German had sensed that E.U. was provoked by the US for a covert war with Russia. German is unwilling to follow the US instruction. It expelled the CIA Chief from the German as a protest.
Then a Chinese forum offered an information how Malaysia and German were hurt by heavy insurance loss in the two incidents. The insurance company of Malaysia Airline is a Germany.
1. MH370
German insurance company Allianz says it has made initial payments in connection with the missing Malaysian Airlines plane.
Allianz’s global head of communication Hugo Kidston confirmed Wednesday that the Munich-based insurer and “other co-reinsurers of Malaysia Airlines aviation hull and liability policy have made initial payments.”
Insurance Payments Made in Malaysian Airlines Disappearance.
2.. MH17
Malaysia Airlines Girds for New Insurance Battle
By Enda Curran Updated July 18, 2014
German insurer Allianz Global Corporate & Specialty is the lead reinsurer of the Malaysia Airlines plane for its so-calleded hull and liability policy, according to a report from insurance broker Aon PLC, which valued the plane itself at $97.3 million.
Malaysia Airlines Girds for New Insurance Battle - WSJ
The comment said, “German was shot even it was laying on the ground”.
Then a Chinese forum offered an information how Malaysia and German were hurt by heavy insurance loss in the two incidents. The insurance company of Malaysia Airline is a Germany.
1. MH370
German insurance company Allianz says it has made initial payments in connection with the missing Malaysian Airlines plane.
Allianz’s global head of communication Hugo Kidston confirmed Wednesday that the Munich-based insurer and “other co-reinsurers of Malaysia Airlines aviation hull and liability policy have made initial payments.”
Insurance Payments Made in Malaysian Airlines Disappearance.
2.. MH17
Malaysia Airlines Girds for New Insurance Battle
By Enda Curran Updated July 18, 2014
German insurer Allianz Global Corporate & Specialty is the lead reinsurer of the Malaysia Airlines plane for its so-calleded hull and liability policy, according to a report from insurance broker Aon PLC, which valued the plane itself at $97.3 million.
Malaysia Airlines Girds for New Insurance Battle - WSJ
The comment said, “German was shot even it was laying on the ground”.