If the Provisional Wing of the Richard III Society can successfully unearth the skeleton they set out to find, and thereby transform Leicester from a clapped-out behind-the-times mish-mash of prewar dullness into a Cultural Hub attracting tourists from all quarters of the world (and tens of millions annually in Sterling from extra visitor spending), why not the Cervantes Society of Madrid⸮
Bravo to them, they've found their Spanish Shakespeare having lost him three hundred years ago.
Spain finds Don Quixote writer Cervantes' tomb in Madrid - BBC News
Spaniards jump on Richard III's bandwagon
Spaniards jump on Richard III's bandwagon
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Or at least they insist in believing they found him. All is fair in commerce. I hope it helps their economy.
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In Richard's case the circumstantial evidence includes DNA matching, I wouldn't dream of doubting their identification.
The bones in Madrid are at least in the right place. I'll be interested to see how that story progresses. By contrast, everyone in Leicester was brought up to think Richard's body was thrown into the local river. Having it found where a medieval church had stood was a shock.
The bones in Madrid are at least in the right place. I'll be interested to see how that story progresses. By contrast, everyone in Leicester was brought up to think Richard's body was thrown into the local river. Having it found where a medieval church had stood was a shock.
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1616: Cervantes dies aged 68, with six teeth remaining. Buried at Convent of Barefoot Trinitarians
Where does this information come from?
Where does this information come from?
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spot;1476076 wrote: In Richard's case the circumstantial evidence includes DNA matching, I wouldn't dream of doubting their identification.
The bones in Madrid are at least in the right place. I'll be interested to see how that story progresses. By contrast, everyone in Leicester was brought up to think Richard's body was thrown into the local river. Having it found where a medieval church had stood was a shock.What was used to match the DNA against in Richard's case?
The bones in Madrid are at least in the right place. I'll be interested to see how that story progresses. By contrast, everyone in Leicester was brought up to think Richard's body was thrown into the local river. Having it found where a medieval church had stood was a shock.What was used to match the DNA against in Richard's case?
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
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I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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Ahso!;1476080 wrote: What was used to match the DNA against in Richard's case?
Living family members.
Living family members.
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How did they know it wasn't the grave of a relative?
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
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flopstock;1476078 wrote: Where does this information come from?
He specified his place of burial himself, in his will. The bit about his reduced dental inventory is from what he wrote about himself three years before he died, in the Preface to his Exemplary Novels..."This person whom you see here, with an oval visage, chestnut hair, smooth open forehead, lively eyes, a hooked but well-proportioned nose, & silvery beard that twenty years ago was golden, large moustaches, a small mouth, teeth not much to speak of, for he has but six, in bad condition and worse placed, no two of them corresponding to each other, a figure midway between the two extremes, neither tall nor short, a vivid complexion, rather fair than dark, somewhat stooped in the shoulders, and not very lightfooted: this, I say, is the author of 'Galatea,' 'Don Quixote de la Mancha,' 'The Journey to Parnassus,' which he wrote in imitation of Cesare Caporali Perusino, and other works which are current among the public, and perhaps without the author's name. He is commonly called MIGUEL DE CERVANTES SAAVEDRA. He was for many years a soldier, and for five years and a half in captivity, where he learned to have patience in adversity. He lost his left hand by a musket-shot in the battle of Lepanto: and ugly as this wound may appear, he regards it as beautiful, having received it on the most memorable and sublime occasion which past times have over seen, or future times can hope to equal, fighting under the victorious banners of the son of that thunderbolt of war, Charles V., of blessed memory."
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14420/14 ... 4420-h.htm
He specified his place of burial himself, in his will. The bit about his reduced dental inventory is from what he wrote about himself three years before he died, in the Preface to his Exemplary Novels..."This person whom you see here, with an oval visage, chestnut hair, smooth open forehead, lively eyes, a hooked but well-proportioned nose, & silvery beard that twenty years ago was golden, large moustaches, a small mouth, teeth not much to speak of, for he has but six, in bad condition and worse placed, no two of them corresponding to each other, a figure midway between the two extremes, neither tall nor short, a vivid complexion, rather fair than dark, somewhat stooped in the shoulders, and not very lightfooted: this, I say, is the author of 'Galatea,' 'Don Quixote de la Mancha,' 'The Journey to Parnassus,' which he wrote in imitation of Cesare Caporali Perusino, and other works which are current among the public, and perhaps without the author's name. He is commonly called MIGUEL DE CERVANTES SAAVEDRA. He was for many years a soldier, and for five years and a half in captivity, where he learned to have patience in adversity. He lost his left hand by a musket-shot in the battle of Lepanto: and ugly as this wound may appear, he regards it as beautiful, having received it on the most memorable and sublime occasion which past times have over seen, or future times can hope to equal, fighting under the victorious banners of the son of that thunderbolt of war, Charles V., of blessed memory."
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14420/14 ... 4420-h.htm
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Ahso!;1476087 wrote: How did they know it wasn't the grave of a relative?
There were very few of them, all accounted for elsewhere, one assumes. Richard had killed most of them himself, according to Shakespeare at least. The reason the team dug where they did is that antiquaries in the 18th century had claimed, on the basis of local reported history and a now-lost obelisk recording the fact, that Richard was buried there. The archaeology was needed to locate the missing church, his position within it was documented.
The scientific announcement was made in Nature, which said "the evidence for the remains being those of Richard III is overwhelming." - there are far more doubtful things to argue about than a statement like that in a journal carrying such overwhelming prestige.
Identification of the remains of King Richard III : Nature Communications : Nature Publishing Group
There were very few of them, all accounted for elsewhere, one assumes. Richard had killed most of them himself, according to Shakespeare at least. The reason the team dug where they did is that antiquaries in the 18th century had claimed, on the basis of local reported history and a now-lost obelisk recording the fact, that Richard was buried there. The archaeology was needed to locate the missing church, his position within it was documented.
The scientific announcement was made in Nature, which said "the evidence for the remains being those of Richard III is overwhelming." - there are far more doubtful things to argue about than a statement like that in a journal carrying such overwhelming prestige.
Identification of the remains of King Richard III : Nature Communications : Nature Publishing Group
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spot;1476090 wrote: He specified his place of burial himself, in his will. The bit about his reduced dental inventory is from what he wrote about himself three years before he died, in the Preface to his Exemplary Novels..."This person whom you see here, with an oval visage, chestnut hair, smooth open forehead, lively eyes, a hooked but well-proportioned nose, & silvery beard that twenty years ago was golden, large moustaches, a small mouth, teeth not much to speak of, for he has but six, in bad condition and worse placed, no two of them corresponding to each other, a figure midway between the two extremes, neither tall nor short, a vivid complexion, rather fair than dark, somewhat stooped in the shoulders, and not very lightfooted: this, I say, is the author of 'Galatea,' 'Don Quixote de la Mancha,' 'The Journey to Parnassus,' which he wrote in imitation of Cesare Caporali Perusino, and other works which are current among the public, and perhaps without the author's name. He is commonly called MIGUEL DE CERVANTES SAAVEDRA. He was for many years a soldier, and for five years and a half in captivity, where he learned to have patience in adversity. He lost his left hand by a musket-shot in the battle of Lepanto: and ugly as this wound may appear, he regards it as beautiful, having received it on the most memorable and sublime occasion which past times have over seen, or future times can hope to equal, fighting under the victorious banners of the son of that thunderbolt of war, Charles V., of blessed memory."
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14420/14 ... 4420-h.htm
I suppose I'd best be more careful with descriptions of myself.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/14420/14 ... 4420-h.htm
I suppose I'd best be more careful with descriptions of myself.
I expressly forbid the use of any of my posts anywhere outside of FG (with the exception of the incredibly witty 'get a room already' )posted recently.
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"Spanish Shakespeare"--bit overblown.
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AnneBoleyn;1476145 wrote: "Spanish Shakespeare"--bit overblown.
England acknowledges one great national author above all other, Shakespeare. Spain acknowledges one great national author above all other, Cervantes. Is either statement wrong?
England acknowledges one great national author above all other, Shakespeare. Spain acknowledges one great national author above all other, Cervantes. Is either statement wrong?
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spot;1476159 wrote: England acknowledges one great national author above all other, Shakespeare. Spain acknowledges one great national author above all other, Cervantes. Is either statement wrong?
Told like that, you are correct, sir.
Told like that, you are correct, sir.
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spot;1476159 wrote: England acknowledges one great national author above all other, Shakespeare. Spain acknowledges one great national author above all other, Cervantes. Is either statement wrong?
Not necessarily. The question as to whether Shakespeare was the real author has always been very much in question.
Not necessarily. The question as to whether Shakespeare was the real author has always been very much in question.
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FourPart;1476278 wrote: Not necessarily. The question as to whether Shakespeare was the real author has always been very much in question.
Do we concur that the real author chose to publish his work under the name Shakespeare? That Shakespeare was the name he chose as a label for his own work?
Do we concur that the real author chose to publish his work under the name Shakespeare? That Shakespeare was the name he chose as a label for his own work?
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spot;1476280 wrote: Do we concur that the real author chose to publish his work under the name Shakespeare? That Shakespeare was the name he chose as a label for his own work?
No. That Shakespeare published other people's work under his own name.
No. That Shakespeare published other people's work under his own name.
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FourPart;1476283 wrote: No. That Shakespeare published other people's work under his own name.
You maintain then that the works published as Shakespeare's were the product of more than one author?
You maintain then that the works published as Shakespeare's were the product of more than one author?
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spot;1476285 wrote: You maintain then that the works published as Shakespeare's were the product of more than one author?
I'm not maintaining anything other than that is an ongoing debate amongst literary circles.
Shakespeare authorship question - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I'm not maintaining anything other than that is an ongoing debate amongst literary circles.
Shakespeare authorship question - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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FourPart;1476364 wrote: I'm not maintaining anything other than that is an ongoing debate amongst literary circles.
Shakespeare authorship question - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I think the only thing you can be certain of is that the plays were definitely written, and that the publisher associated the name Shakespeare with their authorship. England acknowledges one great national corpus of writing above all other, it makes no difference to me at all who actually produced it. None of the words change if you find a written confession covered in the fingerprints of the Earl of Oxford.
Shakespeare authorship question - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I think the only thing you can be certain of is that the plays were definitely written, and that the publisher associated the name Shakespeare with their authorship. England acknowledges one great national corpus of writing above all other, it makes no difference to me at all who actually produced it. None of the words change if you find a written confession covered in the fingerprints of the Earl of Oxford.
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For those of you interested in long traffic jams, Richard is being reburied tomorrow.
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I watched this film some months back. It explores just how effective a warrior Richard III could have been with his severe Scoliosis.
Turns out, with the technology of his day, he could have been quite effective.
Turns out, with the technology of his day, he could have been quite effective.
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Interesting. The video contains content from Channel 4 (a U.K. channel) & has been blocked in this country (U.K.) for Copyright reasons.
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FourPart;1476534 wrote: Interesting. The video contains content from Channel 4 (a U.K. channel) & has been blocked in this country (U.K.) for Copyright reasons.
Perhaps this will work:
Richard III: The New Evidence - Channel 4
Perhaps this will work:
Richard III: The New Evidence - Channel 4
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I prefer this sort of take on Richard III
Spaniards jump on Richard III's bandwagon
Thanks. I enjoyed that.
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