Maylasia MH370: Shot down by USA.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:37 am

'US military shot down MH370' claims former Proteus Airlines boss | Daily Mail Online

Not as though many didn't expect it.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:44 am

Ridiculous. I should believe a publicity hound, Marc Dugain, Why?

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:51 am

AnneBoleyn;1469975 wrote: Ridiculous. I should believe a publicity hound, Marc Dugain, Why?

Why? I don't know. He does support his theory with interesting fact and to tell you the truth it seems much more plausible than the FuxNews version of the the pilot being Mulsim ....... and "that's all you need to know".

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:56 am

Anybody can theorize about anything without making it true. FuxNews version has nothing to do with it. Dugain calls himself a novelist, so here is a sample as far as I'm concerned.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:40 am

AnneBoleyn;1469979 wrote: Anybody can theorize about anything without making it true. FuxNews version has nothing to do with it. Dugain calls himself a novelist, so here is a sample as far as I'm concerned.

I do not agree with you.

* FuxNews says it was terrorists, and the reasoning? The pilot was Muslim.

* Dugain says it was the Americans, and his reason(s)? Several interlocking facts ... all of them together making a plausable scenario.

I hope you are not going to tell me that untill we know FOR SURE that we ought not to speculate.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:51 am

Prime reason for the story being bollox - look at the source.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:50 pm

High Threshold;1469981 wrote: I do not agree with you.

* FuxNews says it was terrorists, and the reasoning? The pilot was Muslim.

* Dugain says it was the Americans, and his reason(s)? Several interlocking facts ... all of them together making a plausable scenario.

I hope you are not going to tell me that untill we know FOR SURE that we ought not to speculate.

I don't think Ann said we should not speculate.

One would have some facts to go along with it.

You Think?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:55 pm

tude dog;1469989 wrote: I don't think Ann said we should not speculate.

One would have some facts to go along with it.

You Think?

Yeah!

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:59 pm

tude dog;1469989 wrote: ..... One would have some facts to go along with it ....

He does.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:16 pm

High Threshold;1469993 wrote: He does.

Hearsay. Circumstantial. Daily Mail, the European equivalent of Fox News. People eager to blame USA for every paranoia. Egotistical theoretician. Put it all together it spells ..................... No Proof, just Innuendo, Sensational Muddy Journalism.

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:37 pm

Interesting, and thought provoking.........................................

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:41 pm

High Threshold;1469993 wrote: He does.

No facts in the article - only claims without facts to substantiate them.

Also, nothing to explain why the plane was in the Indian Ocean in the first place or the transponder signals from SW of Australia.

It doesn't have the ring of truth to it. If he had evidence then there would be more of a story than the article gives and it would be more coherent, more of a rational sequence of events.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:02 pm

Also, what was the target? How full was the fuel tank? The flight was headed to Beijing. Maybe (I don't mean it) the Chinese shot 'em down.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:18 pm

G#Gill;1470002 wrote: Interesting, and thought provoking.........................................

I agree. Sherlock Holmes said if your hypothesis fits all of the facts then you must be on to something.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:24 pm

High Threshold;1470011 wrote: I agree. Sherlock Holmes said if your hypothesis fits all of the facts then you must be on to something.

Not quite, he said that if all alternative explanations could be proven to be false then the unlikely answer must be true :-

"How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains,however improbable, must be the truth?

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:25 pm

AnneBoleyn;1470010 wrote: Also, what was the target? How full was the fuel tank? The flight was headed to Beijing. Maybe (I don't mean it) the Chinese shot 'em down.

Yes I know, it just HAD TO BE the Chinese, the N. Koreans, the Communists or the Muslims. Perhaps leftists, liberals, or general-purpose anti-Americans. Maybe it was Alex Jones, The Young Turks or Democracy Now. The only thing we can be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN of is that it couldn't have been the U.S. government/CIA/military. Too far-fetched.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:29 pm

Bryn Mawr;1470009 wrote: No facts in the article - only claims without facts to substantiate them.

Indeed. It was claimed the pilot was a Muslim - and those claims were substantiated with facts. Yes. That is the most probably cause ........ Muhammadanism.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:52 pm

Per capita the majority of the world is Chinese, therefore the odds are that it was the Chinese.

Alternatively, the plane was grabbed by aliens by their massive teleporter & all the passengers abducted. The remaining shell was then dumped. This also explains how long it took to find any wreckage, because at the time they were searching, it had been removed into orbit & the reason the satellites didn't see the alien vessel is that they were looking in the wrong direction - it was behind them. This theory also fits the facts as we know them, therefore it must be true. Someone had better inform the Daily Fail.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:52 pm

Getting very defensive High Tea.

"That is the most probably cause ........ Muhammadanism." Your conclusion, not mine.

Maybe it was just an unfortunate accident, or is that too far-fetched?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:54 pm

FourPart;1470016 wrote: Per capita the majority of the world is Chinese, therefore the odds are that it was the Chinese.

Alternatively, the plane was grabbed by aliens by their massive teleporter & all the passengers abducted. The remaining shell was then dumped. This also explains how long it took to find any wreckage, because at the time they were searching, it had been removed into orbit & the reason the satellites didn't see the alien vessel is that they were looking in the wrong direction - it was behind them. This theory also fits the facts as we know them, therefore it must be true. Someone had better inform the Daily Fail.

As good a theory as any other, 4Pt.

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:05 pm

The Pilot of the MH370 had a sophisticated aircraft simulator at his home on which he spent many hours. Apparently there was a computer which recorded his various 'flights' but strangely when authorities entered his house and checked this machine, after the MH370 had disappeared, they said they found that the memory of the 'flights' had been wiped clean. It does beg the question why ? I must say that there has been a long silence since the almost panic of the first searches.

As regards evidence.................. although I wouldn't call the following as evidence, unless they can prove that the empty fire extinguisher is actually from MH370 !

Dugain......

He told Paris Match that islanders in the Maldives near Diego Garcia told him they saw the missing aircraft flying low.

Dugain spoke of a fisherman on a small island who spoke of a 'huge plane' in Malaysie Airline's colours on March 8.

He also said islanders had found an empty fire extinguisher from the plane in the water near Baarah island.

Read more: 'US military shot down MH370' claims former Proteus Airlines boss | Daily Mail Online

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FG-administator · Post by **FG-administator** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:13 pm

High Threshold;1470011 wrote: I agree. Sherlock Holmes said if your hypothesis fits all of the facts then you must be on to something.

Steady on old girl, he said nothing of the sort. Not even slightly.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:13 pm

FourPart;1470016 wrote: Per capita the majority of the world is Chinese, therefore the odds are that it was the Chinese.

That sums it very nicely: Chinese - Communist - Anti-American - I've even heard the Chinese are not too keen on McDonald's either. I'm going with that one.

AnneBoleyn;1470017 wrote: Getting very defensive High Tea.

I thought jumping on the article out of hand did all that.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:17 pm

G#Gill;1470020 wrote: The Pilot of the MH370 had a sophisticated aircraft simulator at his home on which he spent many hours. Apparently there was a computer which recorded his various 'flights' but strangely when authorities entered his house and checked this machine, after the MH370 had disappeared, they said they found that the memory of the 'flights' had been wiped clean. It does beg the question why ? I must say that there has been a long silence since the almost panic of the first searches.

As regards evidence.................. although I wouldn't call the following as evidence, unless they can prove that the empty fire extinguisher is actually from MH370 !

Dugain......

He told Paris Match that islanders in the Maldives near Diego Garcia told him they saw the missing aircraft flying low.

Dugain spoke of a fisherman on a small island who spoke of a 'huge plane' in Malaysie Airline's colours on March 8.

He also said islanders had found an empty fire extinguisher from the plane in the water near Baarah island.

Read more: 'US military shot down MH370' claims former Proteus Airlines boss | Daily Mail Online

Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Yes. It is plausible. All things considered it seems to be the most plausible explanation put forth so far.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:18 pm

Gill: "Dugain......

He told Paris Match that islanders in the Maldives near Diego Garcia told him they saw the missing aircraft flying low.

Dugain spoke of a fisherman on a small island who spoke of a 'huge plane' in Malaysie Airline's colours on March 8.

He also said islanders had found an empty fire extinguisher from the plane in the water near Baarah island."

Nothing more unreliable than an eyewitness. Proven fact. In '96 plane went down near my home on Long Island. Some eyewitnesses swore it was shot down. Even a military guy. Was proven it wasn't.

Same folks who see BigFoot & Mothman.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:19 pm

FG;1470021 wrote: Steady on old girl, he said nothing of the sort. Not even slightly.

Short set at your local. Have time for a pint?

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:20 pm

FG;1470021 wrote: Steady on old girl, he said nothing of the sort. Not even slightly.

Someone forgot to tell you that Sherlock Holmes is a fictitious figure.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:21 pm

High Threshold;1470026 wrote: Someone forgot to tell you that Sherlock Holmes is a fictitious figure.

What has that got to do with it? Arthur Conan Doyle was his mouthpiece & can be quoted accurately.

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:22 pm

Whilst the world is prevaricating, anxious relatives are still trying to get some sort of explanation and possible information on developments in the search for their loved ones. I really feel for those people.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:22 pm

AnneBoleyn;1470024 wrote: Same folks who see BigFoot & Mothman.

Or Weapons of Mass Destruction?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:25 pm

High Threshold;1470029 wrote: Or Weapons of Mass Destruction?

Exactly right. Same idiots. Without *MY* permission I might add. Lots of nasty stuff done in my name, don't like it one bit & you know in my youth I expatriated for this reason.

My youth. Gasp.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:26 pm

AnneBoleyn;1470027 wrote: Arthur Conan Doyle was his mouthpiece & can be quoted accurately.

Golly! I didn't quote him inaccurately. Did I?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:27 pm

High Threshold;1470031 wrote: Golly! I didn't quote him inaccurately. Did I?

HEAVENS! I surely hope not kind sir!

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:29 pm

AnneBoleyn;1470030 wrote: Exactly right. Same idiots. Without *MY* permission I might add. Lots of nasty stuff done in my name, don't like it one bit & you know in my youth I expatriated for this reason.

My youth. Gasp.

Still, lots of TRUTH has been denied. That ought to figure into the equation of what's believable and what isn't.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:31 pm

AnneBoleyn;1470032 wrote: HEAVENS! I surely hope not kind sir!

The answer is NO, I didn't.

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:33 pm

G#Gill;1470028 wrote: I really feel for those people.

As do I.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:33 pm

High Threshold;1470034 wrote: The answer is NO, I didn't.

If you insist...............after all, it is your honor at stake.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:38 pm

G#Gill;1470020 wrote: Apparently there was a computer which recorded his various 'flights' but strangely when authorities entered his house and checked this machine, after the MH370 had disappeared, they said they found that the memory of the 'flights' had been wiped clean.
Except that:

1. Computer records can't be wiped clean. Only the start & end flags are removed. These can be replaced & the data recovered.

2. If it were a suicide run, why would he bother even trying to wipe the data?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:38 pm

High Threshold;1470033 wrote: Still, lots of TRUTH has been denied. That ought to figure into the equation of what's believable and what isn't.

To a point. Too many bad actors abound, many individuals with the wealth of nations. Why are you so quick to believe this story? Does it suit anything in your mind that you would like to see authenticated? What's your agenda?

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:39 pm

AnneBoleyn;1470037 wrote: If you insist...............after all, it is your honor at stake.

It's easy enough to verify.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:40 pm

High Threshold;1470036 wrote: As do I.

Those left behind are the sufferers. Left to ask "why"

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:40 pm

High Threshold;1470040 wrote: It's easy enough to verify.

Gosh, then do it, gee golly molly. Isn't this argument with someone else not me?

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:45 pm

AnneBoleyn;1470039 wrote: To a point.

"From" a point, I would say: It being true, it being denied.

AnneBoleyn;1470039 wrote: Why are you so quick to believe this story?

Where do you see that?

AnneBoleyn;1470039 wrote: What's your agenda?

Finding out the truth, what really happened. Is that odd?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:50 pm

High Threshold;1470045 wrote: "From" a point, I would say: It being true, it being denied.

Where do you see that?

Finding out the truth, what really happened. Is that odd?

Now you've done it. You've gone & redeemed yourself. :-4

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:53 pm

AnneBoleyn;1470046 wrote: Now you've done it. You've gone & redeemed yourself. :-4

You daft bugger, Anne :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

High Threshold · Post by **High Threshold** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:57 pm

G#Gill;1470047 wrote: You daft bugger, Anne

She doesn't mean a thing to me, honest Gilly! It were just one of them spontaneous things ..... :yh_worshp

G#Gill · Post by **G#Gill** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:08 pm

High Threshold;1470048 wrote: She doesn't mean a thing to me, honest Gilly! It were just one of them spontaneous things ..... :yh_worshp

You're a daft ha'peth too ! :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

FG-administator · Post by **FG-administator** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:40 pm

High Threshold;1470040 wrote: It's easy enough to verify.

I await a relevant quotation with bated breath.

Here's one which fails entirely to match... "Eliminate all other factors, and the one which remains must be the truth".

You may find https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sherlock_Holmes a helpful link.

What you're hoping to approximate is "Sherlock Holmes said if your hypothesis fits all of the facts then you must be on to something", just to remind you.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:53 pm

G#Gill;1470047 wrote: You daft bugger, Anne :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Well of course! I model myself after YOU! DisGracefully.

FG-administator · Post by **FG-administator** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:56 pm

AnneBoleyn;1470025 wrote: Short set at your local. Have time for a pint?

She performed from 9pm to 11pm with a 15 minute break, and the pub's a five minute walk. She sings and plays excitingly and her set list was quite unpredictable, it takes a talent to be that quirky.