So are UKIP really racist ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:42 pm

He was so incensed he fired off a reply saying: "You Left-wing scum are all the same, wanting to hand our birthright to Romanian gypsies who beat their wives and children into begging and stealing money they can gamble with, Muslim nutters who want to kill us and put us all under medieval Sharia law, the same Africans who sold their Afro-Caribbean brothers into a slavery that Britain was the first to abolish."

Hmmmm

London chairman of Ukip suspended over racist remarks - News - London Evening Standard

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:45 pm

No more than your lot.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:47 pm

Bruv;1469108 wrote: No more than your lot.

:yh_youkid:yh_youkid

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:05 am

I never thought Oscar would finally defect to UKIP.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 2:42 am

FourPart;1469121 wrote: I never thought Oscar would finally defect to UKIP.

Rumour has it she passed the intelligence test and they wouldn't have her.

UKIP struggle to out a coherent argument together it's all ranting. Are there no left wing parties in england at all?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:27 am

Is what he said racist though ?

Or Is he legally entitled to an opinion ?

The fact remains that more terror plots have just been foiled.

First alleged Isil terror plot on UK foiled amid growing fears of beheadings - Telegraph

Romanian's are forcing children to beg by force.

BBC NEWS | Special Reports | How Gypsy gangs use child thieves

Afro-Carribeans did once sell their families Into slavery.

Black France / France Noire: The History and Politics of Blackness - Tyler Edward Stovall - Google Books

Now you may not like what he said, you make not like the way he said It... but legally, he's entitled to an opinion.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:58 am

Yes, his remarks were inexcusably racist & he deserves to be kicked out of the party because of them.

Ironically, though, every single one of those points can be said of the British throughout our own chequered history. Children sold into bondage, made to beg & steal (typical of Fagin & Co), Religious based executions (Protestant vs Catholic) - and by some pretty barbaric methods at that, where a simple beheading would be far more humane.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:38 am

Oscar Namechange;1469129 wrote: Is what he said racist though ?

Or Is he legally entitled to an opinion ?

The fact remains that more terror plots have just been foiled.

First alleged Isil terror plot on UK foiled amid growing fears of beheadings - Telegraph

Romanian's are forcing children to beg by force.

BBC NEWS | Special Reports | How Gypsy gangs use child thieves

Afro-Carribeans did once sell their families Into slavery.

Black France / France Noire: The History and Politics of Blackness - Tyler Edward Stovall - Google Books

Now you may not like what he said, you make not like the way he said It... but legally, he's entitled to an opinion.

It's not what you say, but how you say it sometimes.

For instance...........when Klansmen caught up with a Negro at the end of a chase, the words "Hey I see a black man" might sound threatening.......as opposed to the same black man coming across a former slave ploughing his field his surprised exclamation "Hey I see a black man"

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:07 pm

FourPart;1469136 wrote: Yes, his remarks were inexcusably racist & he deserves to be kicked out of the party because of them.

Ironically, though, every single one of those points can be said of the British throughout our own chequered history. Children sold into bondage, made to beg & steal (typical of Fagin & Co), Religious based executions (Protestant vs Catholic) - and by some pretty barbaric methods at that, where a simple beheading would be far more humane.

Let's get this right... Under that great British right ie freedom of speech and freedom of opinion, you have expressed your opinion here that the British were more barbaric and we have a chequered history. As a British citizen, you enjoy the luxury of putting that opinion here.

But, hang on.. the UKIP guy says exactly the same as you expressing exactly the same opinion, an opinion for the record Is borne out of facts, but the only difference being, he's not talking about white British.... so to you, he's racist. Perhaps you're being white racist here against the British ?

Steaming hypocrisy typical of Leftie Lib/Labs

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:32 pm

Oscar Namechange;1469145 wrote: Steaming hypocrisy typical of Leftie Lib/Labs
Yes. We Leftie Lib/Labs are proud of viewing everyone equally & accepting our own faults as well, as opposed to the old Victorian viewpoint of anyone who isn't British as being a 2nd Class Citizen & anyone who isn't white of being lower than that or, as with the Nationalist viewpoint, not a citizen at all.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:49 pm

FourPart;1469147 wrote: Yes. We Leftie Lib/Labs are proud of viewing everyone equally & accepting our own faults as well, as opposed to the old Victorian viewpoint of anyone who isn't British as being a 2nd Class Citizen & anyone who isn't white of being lower than that or, as with the Nationalist viewpoint, not a citizen at all.

But you don't view everyone equally do you ? The guy expressed an opinion, the same as you did. He's racist and you're not. That's bias chummy not equality

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:53 am

Therein lies a paradox. I believe the BNP to be evil hatemongers & should be banned accordingly, yet because I also support the right to free expression so strongly I am also opposed to banning them.

However, because this person's views were so clearly racist I said that he should be kicked out of the party because of his attitudes being so much in conflict with those of the party's. Yes, of course he is in his rights to have an opinion, just in the same way as Rolf Harris might have an opinion that there was nothing wrong with his being a Nursery Nurse - or thinking that you might be a suitable candidate to be the Party Leader for IS.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:41 am

I see ukip and the bnp are becoming conflated.

Why do these idiots think calling someone left wing is an insult? Social work, community care are all left wing policies why is it any surprisse they are anti right wing and against a party that's wants to privatis the national heaklth service and do away with the welfare state. This country went to war to fight fascism and the post war wartime generation were determined that things would not go back to the way they were and preated the welfare state and supported socialist policies and thes e clownsa want to undio all that effort and what people fought and died for. It's mit just about leaving europe it's undoing all the healthy and safety regulation that only a numpty that isn't protected by it or has never been thrreatened with the sack for refusing to do something dangerous could think is a waste of time.

All they do is repeat the same mantra anyone that can dsupport them after looking at what they intend and thinking throigh the consequences of then getting in to power uis an idiot. Not that I'm worried another referndum and a vote for indeoendence and england is on it's own way to hell.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:20 am

FourPart;1469156 wrote: Therein lies a paradox. I believe the BNP to be evil hatemongers & should be banned accordingly, yet because I also support the right to free expression so strongly I am also opposed to banning them.

However, because this person's views were so clearly racist I said that he should be kicked out of the party because of his attitudes being so much in conflict with those of the party's. Yes, of course he is in his rights to have an opinion, just in the same way as Rolf Harris might have an opinion that there was nothing wrong with his being a Nursery Nurse - or thinking that you might be a suitable candidate to be the Party Leader for IS.

Do you not ever see your arrogance ?

By your own admission. you've met one BNP member ( If he really Is a member )....

Yet from this and a biased libelous media mostly the defunct and criminal News Of The World, you believe you have the authority to label all BNP members as hatemongers.

The reason I slam Into you so much, Is because you believe you are so educated and Informed yet really, you know nothing.

I offered you the opportunity to come along and actually listen to what the BNP was about when I chaired a meeting with key figures... but typical of those who wax lyrical about our Party In the self Imposed Importance of their existence, you chickened out.

You're not even clever enough to find out.... We Infiltrated a UKIP meeting In London a few weeks ago where Farage was speaking... that's what we do. We don't just spout bollocks on assumptions. We go and find out. Exactly, the same when there'll be a couple of us sitting In the local UKIP branch meeting this week to find out their plans for my ward... but you just keep guessing.... as that will make you so better Informed than anyone else :yh_rotfl

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:37 am

gmc;1469159 wrote: I see ukip and the bnp are becoming conflated.

Why do these idiots think calling someone left wing is an insult? Social work, community care are all left wing policies why is it any surprisse they are anti right wing and against a party that's wants to privatis the national heaklth service and do away with the welfare state. This country went to war to fight fascism and the post war wartime generation were determined that things would not go back to the way they were and preated the welfare state and supported socialist policies and thes e clownsa want to undio all that effort and what people fought and died for. It's mit just about leaving europe it's undoing all the healthy and safety regulation that only a numpty that isn't protected by it or has never been thrreatened with the sack for refusing to do something dangerous could think is a waste of time.

All they do is repeat the same mantra anyone that can dsupport them after looking at what they intend and thinking throigh the consequences of then getting in to power uis an idiot. Not that I'm worried another referndum and a vote for indeoendence and england is on it's own way to hell.

I think you'll find that Fascism Is a term used when the ruling use violence against their political opponents. It brings our Party great mirth to be labelled Fascist when we have a situation In this country where an organisation the UAF Is funded by the likes of Cameron to oppose the far right and 9 times out of 10 use violence. In fact when you look at the long list of MP's who support and fund the UAF, there's a mixed bag of Lib Dem, Labour and Tory. Rather like post 1919 In Italy. History tends to have a habit of repeating It'self and those who Ignore what went before are heading toward a Far Right Government.

The MP's who fund the UAF are very aware that most often, these great unwashed loony Lefties will turn their violence on our police. There's plenty of evidence of that on youtube. Frankly, I think they believe that's collateral damage and part and parcel of the real aim which Is to disrupt Far Right protests. What happens, Is the Far Right plan a march, the UAF rock up and start throwing bottles and then whine to the gutter press, ' oh look what those nasty Nazi's have done'. EG, The BNP rally In Woolwich 57 arrests. All UAF. No BNP. Yet Innocent people got hurt. So It cracks me up when we are called the Fascist when It's actually the ruling elite funding the thugs to beat back the Far Right... only people like Fourpart can't quite grasp that one.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:19 pm

posted by oscar oscar seven

I think you'll find that Fascism Is a term used when the ruling use violence against their political opponents.

Like thatcher you mean?

Well actually no fascism nowadays (IMO ) is authoritarian nationalism, an authoritarian state that would curb the rights of ordinary people in favour of a narrow elite. UKIP is nationalistic in a narrow sense and would stop immigration - (despite being led by the descendent french refugee immigrants), it would do away with all the legislation protecting workers rights - in order to free business from red tape - yet curiously would protect british industry and oppose free trade - and privatise the NHS and do away with the nhs and the welfare state - the dead hand of socialism as they call it. Tyhere's not a word about how they wopuld deal with the likes of amazon and google. It's all the rants of the loony right given form in a political party. We don't really have any left wing parties any more in a way they have been too successful and socialist policies are now taken for granted as being the right way to do things - except by idiots like farage and osbourne.

It's anti liberal, anti socialist without being able to say why. At least the bnp have had to hone their policies in the fire of public debate.

In scotland when the no supporters invaded and attacked the peaceful gathering in george square you saw the kind opf morons that support them. the orange lodge anti-catholic god save the queen knuckle dragging thugs that attack without provocation anyone they think is different and they can intimidate.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:39 pm

gmc;1469159 wrote: I see ukip and the bnp are becoming conflated.

Why do these idiots think calling someone left wing is an insult? Social work, community care are all left wing policies why is it any surprisse they are anti right wing and against a party that's wants to privatis the national heaklth service and do away with the welfare state. This country went to war to fight fascism and the post war wartime generation were determined that things would not go back to the way they were and preated the welfare state and supported socialist policies and thes e clownsa want to undio all that effort and what people fought and died for. It's mit just about leaving europe it's undoing all the healthy and safety regulation that only a numpty that isn't protected by it or has never been thrreatened with the sack for refusing to do something dangerous could think is a waste of time.

All they do is repeat the same mantra anyone that can dsupport them after looking at what they intend and thinking throigh the consequences of then getting in to power uis an idiot. Not that I'm worried another referndum and a vote for indeoendence and england is on it's own way to hell.
Actually, whenever Oscar calls me a Left Wing Liberal Looney I take it as a compliment, as it's clearly the opposite of what she aspires to be.

As for Jason Brown beng a member - well, he's on the Members List (or was as the time) http://file.wikileaks.info/leak/bnp-membership-list.txt, plus he's listed in the Election Results for Southampton Bitterne (if the election really existed) Stop the BNP

Funny - I don't see your name on that Members List. Are you a relatively new recruit then - a defector from the National Front, maybe - or even Combat 18?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:55 pm

Is there something wrong with you ?

How many names are on that list ? Go on... count them.

In 2009, the BNP membership stood at 11, 811

Now... If the membership stood at 11,000 plus and there's only a few hundred names on the leaked list,... what conclusion would any normal, sane, rational person come to?

Dear God, It's like nailing milk to the wall.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:57 am

I would also say that a much higher proportion of BNP voters are actual Party members than any of the other parties. No doubt you would see that as a positive. I see it as merely being self serving. You have previously stated in these forums that "I don't get Nationalism", and that the whole point of the party is to represent its members & not the electorate. Another good reason not to vote for BNP.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:32 am

Oscar Namechange;1469176 wrote: Is there something wrong with you ?

How many names are on that list ? Go on... count them.

In 2009, the BNP membership stood at 11, 811

Now... If the membership stood at 11,000 plus and there's only a few hundred names on the leaked list,... what conclusion would any normal, sane, rational person come to?

Dear God, It's like nailing milk to the wall.

You nail milk to the wall?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:51 am

FourPart;1469181 wrote: I would also say that a much higher proportion of BNP voters are actual Party members than any of the other parties. No doubt you would see that as a positive. I see it as merely being self serving. You have previously stated in these forums that "I don't get Nationalism", and that the whole point of the party is to represent its members & not the electorate. Another good reason not to vote for BNP.

I didn't ask you what proportion of BNP voters are actual Party members. I asked you what you'd think any normal, sane, rational person would deduce from the fact that the leaked list Is a fraction of what the membership stood at In 2009. If you're having problems working that one out, then just say so and I'll explain It to you In a manner you may just finally grasp.

Regardless, once again, you're assuming much and knowing bugger all. In any election be It Council, By or General, we only only have to look at the vote and compare It to actual memberships In that Ward to see exactly how many non members voted. You seem to have this virtual comfort blanket where If you tell yourself long enough and hard enough that no-one else votes BNP, It will actually come true.

No, Fourpart, you don't get Nationalist politics. You think you do and you think you are extremely educated In politics but your not. If you can not grasp the fact that Nationalist Parties and Orgs and not mainstream Parties that rely on voting en mass to gain outright power even If It means lying through their back teeth to get votes while Nationalist Parties are fringe Parties who cater only to the Far Right voters, then I can't help you. Still, maybe If you wax lyrical and bang off another letter to your MP, he may explain It to you.

Please don't ever flatter yourself that my Party wants your vote.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:59 am

Oscar Namechange;1469184 wrote:

Please don't ever flatter yourself that my Party wants your vote.

Incredibly bad attitude here oscar, & guaranteed that "your" Party will lose. Seek every vote, even knowing that many, or most, will not.

I don't have to know specifically about British politics to make that statement; it's POLITICS, Period.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:19 am

AnneBoleyn;1469189 wrote: Incredibly bad attitude here oscar, & guaranteed that "your" Party will lose. Seek every vote, even knowing that many, or most, will not.

I don't have to know specifically about British politics to make that statement; it's POLITICS, Period.

No It's not just politics Anne... It's fringe politics... a world of difference. If we are the Far Right, then never In a month of Sunday's will we appeal to the Left or the Far Left. To do so would mean surrendering our stance and policies to appeal to a wider electorate. By doing so, we'd sell out our grass roots. To sell out our grass roots would cost us our one million core voters In the hope we attract a few on the cusp. That's exactly what the Lib Dems did. Sold out their grass roots for jobs for the boys In a coalition with the Tories. The result was a large part of their core vote defecting to Labour and come May In the elections, for the Lib Dems, there will be a bloodbath at the polling stations.

We know our Party will not be In Westminster come May and we don't expect It to but all we need Is one or two Seats to disrupt Parliament. Of course our Party will lose... but we represent the Far Right. We do not go soft just to appease the Left.

As for bad attitude... I just have a problem when someone writes something as fact when It's merely assumption.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:54 am

You're (notice the spelling) the one that doesn't get it here. You can deny it until you're blue (or should that be Red, White & Blue) in the face, but the BNP is synonymous with Racism. It is seen as the British Nazi Party. It is seen as the shame of British Politics. I very much doubt you will even come close to getting a seat in Parliament, let alone enough to disrupt it. You haven't come anywhere near close to that in all the years of your party's existence. UKIP, on the other hand, is a relative newcomer to the party field & it is already proving a major threat to the currently leading political parties. You promote the claim that your party demonstrates massive support when it gets a few votes, but when it doesn't, rather than blame it on the faults of the party you prefer to blame it on a biased media & everyone else that "just doesn't get it". I 'get it' just fine - that's why I have such loathing of your politics & I find it extremely hypocritical of you to usurp the memories of those who fell during the war fighting against the politics of the likes of yourself.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:25 am

Oscar Namechange;1469191 wrote: No It's not just politics Anne... It's fringe politics... a world of difference.

Politics is politics is politics........

If we are the Far Right, then never In a month of Sunday's will we appeal to the Left or the Far Left. To do so would mean surrendering our stance and policies to appeal to a wider electorate. By doing so, we'd sell out our grass roots. To sell out our grass roots would cost us our one million core voters In the hope we attract a few on the cusp.
Not Sell out ?

I suppose as an outsider who has no idea what the real party thinks or does, on the inside, and so I shouldn't comment.....but......all the shennanagins and changes of personnel might be seen by an uninformed outsider to be a move away from your grass roots.

All previous 'Far Right' parties and current ones that your lot pal up to.......are to most people......unsavoury to say the least, and most are out and out racist. So if, as you keep on saying the 'New' reconstituted BNP is NOT racist it is miles away from it's grass roots..........so why not start another party and call it something like......United Kingdom Independence Party ?

We know our Party will not be In Westminster come May and we don't expect It to but all we need Is one or two Seats to disrupt Parliament.
Kind of like United Kingdom Independence Party ?

And they are not racist either.

Serious question......why do Nationalists have this mind set that there is a conspiracy against them?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:49 pm

"As for bad attitude... I just have a problem when someone writes something as fact when It's merely assumption."

Thanks for your explanation. I understand your view much better now, & your reasoning, oscar.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:32 pm

Rather than UKIP maybe it should be called enp - the english national party. If you look at their policies if they get in power it will result in the break up the the union. right of the tory oparty in it's economic and social policies it also wants to do away with the barnett formula falling for the myth that scotland receives more than it's fair share of the tax revenue and stop scots MP's voting on purely english issues which actually a fair point to make. Does rather beg the question other than defence and foreign policy what do the scots get out of the union and where is ukip going to put the replacement for trident if we go for independence? Â£100billion should really help the deficit don't you think?

BBC News - Nigel Farage: 2010 UKIP manifesto was 'drivel'

We have been thinking very hard what to do with Trident...but it will not involve scrapping Trident.

"I think there is an argument that, in tight times, we could go down from four to three submarines, but I think we need to maintain the independent nuclear deterrent."

The government has delayed a decision on the future of Trident until 2016 amid divisions between the two coalition partners.

The Conservatives back like-for-like renewal, but the Lib Dems want a "slimmed-down" version, with a maximum of three submarines.

Anybody asked them why if we are so bankrupt we can't afford the nhs any more so how can we afford trident.

British politics nowadays is like watching idiots fighting over who gets to be leader

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:42 pm

"British politics nowadays is like watching idiots fighting over who gets to be leader"

Same here. I'm disgusted.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:15 pm

FourPart;1469192 wrote: - that's why I have such loathing of your politics & I find it extremely hypocritical of you to usurp the memories of those who fell during the war fighting against the politics of the likes of yourself.

You have absolutely no Idea have you ? You wander about like an elderly homeless bat, to quote Jones.

You have never been to a BNP meeting In your life. Yet In you Imagination, you envisage a roomful of tattoo'd, skinheads. Do you actually have a clue as to what part of society makes up most of those who attend meetings all around the country ? Then let me tell you... War Vets and members of the British Legion.

As for those that fell fighting during the war...Every male In my family apart from one uncle who survived as a Jap POW and my Father who survived, every male In my family gave their life In the both wars. Frankly, If I want to usurp my own dead families memories who gave their lives In order for you to have the freedom to write the pile of crock you do here, then I will... but regardless... My Father may not have liked my politics but he would have stood by me for having the courage to stand by my beliefs, and aside the one uncle and my father, every male In my family gave their lives so I could have the freedom to chose what I did... Don't hijack the war dead to try to win a pathetic game on a forum. That's the lowest of low and frankly, I wouldn't expect anything else from the Left,

Post by **Peter Lake** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:41 pm

I'd appreciate it if you didn't use the war dead from my family to score points either Fourpart. What i do know, is if they saw the state of this country that they gave their lives for today, they'd wish they had never bothered.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:58 pm

Peter Lake;1469205 wrote: I'd appreciate it if you didn't use the war dead from my family to score points either Fourpart. What i do know, is if they saw the state of this country that they gave their lives for today, they'd wish they had never bothered.
Especially when they find their descendants trying to revive the politics that they died to prevent.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:53 pm

Bloody hell... did anyone see QT tonight?

It all kicked off with Russell Brand and angry bloke... The woman coming In to attack Farage at the end Is a well known Leftie, Bunny Le Roche... more like Boiler Bunny

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:35 pm

I did. Farage didn't stand for a parliamentary seat either he went for european one where he knerw a fringe oparty like him stood a chance because of the low voter turnout. He has done nothing to suppprt cross border attempts to crack down on companies dodging paying tax on the revenue they earn in one country by having a head office elsewhere.

Brand has a good point we are cutting back on welfare while allowing companies and individuals to dodge paying tax. none of the cuts would be necessary if they just stopped them getting away with it. Ordinary people pay more tax now than they eber have. Also it's the bankers and lack of government regulation that caused the crash in 2008 not immigrants or people claiming bwenefits becauser comopanies get away with paying wages no one can liv3 on. Farage has said he wants to cut welfare benefits and privatise the NHS

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:03 am

gmc;1469217 wrote: I did. Farage didn't stand for a parliamentary seat either he went for european one where he knerw a fringe oparty like him stood a chance because of the low voter turnout. He has done nothing to suppprt cross border attempts to crack down on companies dodging paying tax on the revenue they earn in one country by having a head office elsewhere.

Brand has a good point we are cutting back on welfare while allowing companies and individuals to dodge paying tax. none of the cuts would be necessary if they just stopped them getting away with it. Ordinary people pay more tax now than they eber have. Also it's the bankers and lack of government regulation that caused the crash in 2008 not immigrants or people claiming bwenefits becauser comopanies get away with paying wages no one can liv3 on. Farage has said he wants to cut welfare benefits and privatise the NHS

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The Irony... given the Far Right are accused of hate filled policies, look at the hatred on this Leftie old loons face when she told Farage ' I'm coming for you.... Gosh, Labour must be so proud to have such hags In their Party representing their Party like this... what a wonderful endorsement for the Left.... but then, that's probably Indicative of most of their members.

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FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:12 pm

Oscar Namechange;1469215 wrote: Bloody hell... did anyone see QT tonight?

It all kicked off with Russell Brand and angry bloke... The woman coming In to attack Farage at the end Is a well known Leftie, Bunny Le Roche... more like Boiler Bunny

I agree that her behaviour was inexcusable & she should have be escorted out of the building from the start.

No matter which end of the political spectrum you may be, there are always going to be those extremists that disgrace the entire movement.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:19 pm

Escorted out of the building and prosecuted for a section 5...She threatened him.... still that's what the UAF do... this daft old bat did It on live TV.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:27 pm

Actually, we should thank the raving old Leftie.... she's done our sites a massive service today...We've even made a poster up for her...

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Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:49 pm

Oscar Namechange;1469219 wrote: No irony intended...........what a wonderful endorsement for the right.... but then, that's probably Indicative of most of their members.

You started the silliness.......remember.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:19 pm

Any point to that or are you just wafting around the forum like an elderly homeless bat looking for a roost ?

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:18 pm

As for those that fell fighting during the war...Every male In my family apart from one uncle who survived as a Jap POW and my Father who survived, every male In my family gave their life In the both wars. Frankly, If I want to usurp my own dead families memories who gave their lives In order for you to have the freedom to write the pile of crock you do here, then I will... but regardless... My Father may not have liked my politics but he would have stood by me for having the courage to stand by my beliefs, and aside the one uncle and my father, every male In my family gave their lives so I could have the freedom to chose what I did... Don't hijack the war dead to try to win a pathetic game on a forum. That's the lowest of low and frankly, I wouldn't expect anything else from the Left,

You're the one that keeps bringing it up. There is not a family in the UK that didn't have someone fighting in the war not all heroes got medals or fought in fighter command and went home for tea some were down and dirty in foxholes face to face with they people they were killing or sitting in tanks that were completely outclassed by their enemy knowing their chances of survival if hit were pretty remote others fell to a lonely death in burning bombers only to find after the war they were somehow criminals.

Your family were not exceptionally brave or heroic they were just like everybody else and quite frankly your mentioning it all the time gets a bit boring. You claim a level of patriotism that is unjustified and unwarranted.

The first election post war was in the balance until the voted came in from those soldiers still serving overseas when it resulted in a massive labour victory because the bulk of those who fought in the war did not want to go back to the poverty, starvation, means testing and degradation of the between the war years where if you were off work or got unjured at work you were out on the street homeless and penniless. That led directly to a socialist revolution - the creation of the welfare state free education for all and they are the ones that would be appalled by tory and ukip plans to destroy the NHS and bring back private insurance and a society where the poor are left to die on the streets. They understood in a way the right don't that poverty is not a character failure but sometimes just because of circumstances beyond your control. Many remembered a time when government was prepared to send in troops to quell dissent and crushed ordinary people who stood up for their rights. It was the wartime generation that voted for joining the EU - if you recall ity was those who were opposed who wanted a referendum because they thought it would be a no vote ukip conveniently fiorget that fact.

By and large they succeeded now UKIP want to unwind all that and take us back to a time when there was no NHS and workers had no rights but could be exploited by enployers with no redress. They say nothing about making companies pay their fair share of taxes but plenty about removing the shackles of health and safety and employment protection rights that so hinder business. That dead hand of socialism they keep talking about is what gave us all the rights and liberties we take for granted.

They're right wing, racist and just plain ignorant.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:28 pm

gmc;1469249 wrote: You're the one that keeps bringing it up. There is not a family in the UK that didn't have someone fighting in the war not all heroes got medals or fought in fighter command and went home for tea some were down and dirty in foxholes face to face with they people they were killing or sitting in tanks that were completely outclassed by their enemy knowing their chances of survival if hit were pretty remote others fell to a lonely death in burning bombers only to find after the war they were somehow criminals.

Your family were not exceptionally brave or heroic they were just like everybody else and quite frankly your mentioning it all the time gets a bit boring. You claim a level of patriotism that is unjustified and unwarranted.

The first election post war was in the balance until the voted came in from those soldiers still serving overseas when it resulted in a massive labour victory because the bulk of those who fought in the war did not want to go back to the poverty, starvation, means testing and degradation of the between the war years where if you were off work or got unjured at work you were out on the street homeless and penniless. That led directly to a socialist revolution - the creation of the welfare state free education for all and they are the ones that would be appalled by tory and ukip plans to destroy the NHS and bring back private insurance and a society where the poor are left to die on the streets. They understood in a way the right don't that poverty is not a character failure but sometimes just because of circumstances beyond your control. Many remembered a time when government was prepared to send in troops to quell dissent and crushed ordinary people who stood up for their rights. It was the wartime generation that voted for joining the EU - if you recall ity was those who were opposed who wanted a referendum because they thought it would be a no vote ukip conveniently fiorget that fact.

By and large they succeeded now UKIP want to unwind all that and take us back to a time when there was no NHS and workers had no rights but could be exploited by enployers with no redress. They say nothing about making companies pay their fair share of taxes but plenty about removing the shackles of health and safety and employment protection rights that so hinder business. That dead hand of socialism they keep talking about is what gave us all the rights and liberties we take for granted.

They're right wing, racist and just plain ignorant.

On the Contrary... I'd never mention It again... I do when some Leftie thinks they are being so very clever In a pathetic attempt to score points by claiming my forefathers died fighting against what I allegedly stand for when the reality Is, they died fighting so they have the freedom to spout such claptrap.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:44 am

Oscar Namechange;1469250 wrote: On the Contrary... I'd never mention It again... I do when some Leftie thinks they are being so very clever In a pathetic attempt to score points by claiming my forefathers died fighting against what I allegedly stand for when the reality Is, they died fighting so they have the freedom to spout such claptrap.

At least you know it's claptrap:sneaky: well not all of it and some is just the way you put it across.

The reality there is nothing the right wing political spectrum has achieved that has not had to be undone by the liberal left. Who wants to live in an authoritarian police state where your origins condemn you as a second class citizen and dissent becomes a crime in itself that's what right wing politics always leads to. It's never the fault of those in charge it's the poor or workers that won't accept the need for lower wages despite thiose great people the bankers and corporations tellingh them they need to suck it up.

name me one thing a right wing politician has achieved thathas prioven to be good fro the nation. Start with thatcher if you like.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:47 am

My Grandfather was awarded the George Gross. He was a Liberal.

It might also be mentioned that Winston Churchill was a Liberal.

Conversley:

Serial woman beater James Boyd is exposed by the Daily Record as a neo-Nazi race-hate thug who worships Adolf Hitler - Daily Record

Meet the Boy Wonder of the British Far-Right | VICE | United Kingdom

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:33 am

gmc;1469268 wrote: At least you know it's claptrap:sneaky: well not all of it and some is just the way you put it across.

The reality there is nothing the right wing political spectrum has achieved that has not had to be undone by the liberal left. Who wants to live in an authoritarian police state where your origins condemn you as a second class citizen and dissent becomes a crime in itself that's what right wing politics always leads to. It's never the fault of those in charge it's the poor or workers that won't accept the need for lower wages despite thiose great people the bankers and corporations tellingh them they need to suck it up.

name me one thing a right wing politician has achieved thathas prioven to be good fro the nation. Start with thatcher if you like. Do you really want to go 12 rounds with me again on Thatcher ? :wah:

I'm game..

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:51 pm

Oscar Namechange;1469275 wrote: Do you really want to go 12 rounds with me again on Thatcher ? :wah:

I'm game..

Just give up now you know you can't win. Just one policy that has benefited britain go on see if you can find one.

posted by fourpart

It might also be mentioned that Winston Churchill was a Liberal.

and in that vein

What kind of people do they think we are? Is it possible they do not realize that we shall never cease to persevere against them until they have been taught a lesson which they and the world will never forget?

Winston Churchill

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:21 pm

gmc;1469281 wrote: Just give up now you know you can't win. Just one policy that has benefited britain go on see if you can find one.

It was never about policies was It ? It was what she Inherited. For one, the country was the laughing stock of the world with no oversea's Investment due to the stranglehold of the unions. A three day week and power blackouts that saw people actually dying In their homes. I've said It to you before... she did what she had to do.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Dec 13, 2014 6:37 pm

FourPart;1469269 wrote: My Grandfather was awarded the George Gross. He was a Liberal.

It might also be mentioned that Winston Churchill was a Liberal.

Conversley:

Serial woman beater James Boyd is exposed by the Daily Record as a neo-Nazi race-hate thug who worships Adolf Hitler - Daily Record

Meet the Boy Wonder of the British Far-Right | VICE | United Kingdom

Where exactly do your and your Ilk get your arrogance to even have the brass neck to call for any Far Right Party to be banned ?

Let's look at your Socialist, Lib/Lab rule shall we, along with the Tories. As no other fringe Party has had power, the three of you are solely responsible for this total mess and you seriously believe we should ever put you back In for another term ?

Trillions In debt, total financial meltdown due to bail out that saw people lose their homes, bankers unregulated and out of control, mass uncontrolled Immigration that the country can not fiscally sustain, a burden and strain on every emergency service, police cutbacks, NHS ruined with patients dying on trollys In corridors, children being gang raped on an unprecedented scale, welfare cuts, bedroom tax, families having to go to food banks, lack of Investment In area's of social deprevation leading to riots, ethnic communities fighting on the streets of Sheffield, a dire and chronic housing shortage leading to the Roma sleeping rough, 10,000 Illegal Immigrants that can't be tracked, threat of Ebola reaching our shores, country on high terror alert, UK Border Force declared not fit for purpose, Quango's, expenses scandals, fraud, corruption, cover up's, slavery thriving, Illegal wars, and a third rate outfit selling out their grass roots to get jobs for the boys.

And you seriously think you can look down on a few Far Right nutters ? The only nutters are the mob you continue to support. Labour and the Tories have destroyed this country and they will continue to destroy this country. Well, well done, because you've slept walked Into a Far Right government and handed the country to Farage.

When your Party actually finds something, anything that benefited this country, then you get to sneer... until then, your Party and policies are laughing material.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 1:55 am

Oscar Namechange;1469286 wrote: Where exactly do your and your Ilk get your arrogance to even have the brass neck to call for any Far Right Party to be banned ?
Show me where in that quote, or anywhere else, for that matter, where I called for any party to be banned. The nearest I have ever come to making a statement such as that is when I mentioned that the whole thing about the existence of such Neo-Nazi parties such as yours put me in a quandry where, on the one hand, my heart feels that such evil should be banned, but that the principles that we, in the free world, value above all others are that you have the right to exist, even if they conflict with the freedom & democracy that we fought a World War to defend. You see, far from calling for your evil ils to be banned, I have always supported your right to exist, no matter how loathsome, obnoxious & evil you may be. Besides, it's better that we keep you where we can keep an eye on you, rather than force you into the shadows & the secrecy of dark cults, driven by your fetishes of hatred to share such dire views with your group of other like minded Political Perverts.

As for various parties having ruined this country, the whole mess began with the 1975 REFERENDUM (where the people decided) to join the Common Market (a policy which, in itself, I still support) which, yes, happened to be under a Labour Government, but would stlil have probably happened under ANY party as a natural progression of world events. What ensued to evolve into a Central European Government became out of our hands, having only a tiny voice against a vast majority of the rest of Europe. Did any Tory Government see fit to get us out of it either?

Yes, it is official policy of all the leading parties to remain in the Union - a policy on which I am totally opposed. You see, just because I am a Labour supporter doesn't mean I blindly agree with every policy then have. It's just a matter of balancing one set of policies against another, and I find there are more that I support & fewer that I oppose in Labour than any of the others. I support the principle of free trade, but I oppose that of open door immigration as we are simply too small a country to cope with it. On that much I think we probably agree. However, my objections are based on economy, whereas yours are based on Racial Purity & to maintain the Arian line.

As for the country's economic problems - need I remind you that the first one (in my lifetime, at least) was under the dictatorship of Margaret Thatcher & her Far Right Cronies, taking from the poor to give to the rich, selling off all the country's national assets, closing all the major British industries when they stood up to her, like a kid in a playground taking his ball home when the other kids wouldn't let him win all the time. The introduction of taxes that led to people starving & being evicted when they couldn't afford to pay.

Then there was the 2nd recession (which we are still in recovery from). This, however, was the onset of a much larger set of circumstances from a worldwide economic calamity, brought about by the greed, incompetence & blatant fraudulent activities of the bankers, who are obviously going to be Far Right in there political thinking (you won't get many Socialist bankers). With such International financial disaster it was only to be expected that we were not likely to escape its effects.

Now we have another Tory Government in power, and once again we see the claws of austerity grabbing what they can from those who can least afford it, whilst scratching the backs of their own kind by giving them tax cuts. Doing their utmost to continue Thatcher's agenda of privatisation, with the next prime target being the privatisation of the NHS (a Labour introduction, I might add). We now have more families relying on Food Banks (the modern day equivalent of the Soup Kitchens of the 20s) than ever before, and all of this after just one term.

I don't envisage UKIP becoming the next Goverment in power, but I have no doubt that there is a very high probability of them becoming the 3rd main party after the election. I also envisage all BNP candidates losing their deposits.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 2:04 am

Oscar Namechange;1469285 wrote: It was never about policies was It ? It was what she Inherited. For one, the country was the laughing stock of the world with no oversea's Investment due to the stranglehold of the unions. A three day week and power blackouts that saw people actually dying In their homes. I've said It to you before... she did what she had to do.

Just one policy that has benefited britain go on see if you can find one.

You can't do it can you.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:32 am

Oscar Namechange;1469286 wrote: As no other fringe Party has had power, the three of you are solely responsible for this total mess and you seriously believe we should ever put you back In for another term ?
So you wide eyed Nationalists still live in your own little bubble..........obviously..................

Trillions In debt, total financial meltdown due to bail out that saw people lose their homes, bankers unregulated and out of control, mass uncontrolled Immigration that the country can not fiscally sustain, a burden and strain on every emergency service, police cutbacks, NHS ruined with patients dying on trollys In corridors, children being gang raped on an unprecedented scale, welfare cuts, bedroom tax, families having to go to food banks, lack of Investment In area's of social deprevation leading to riots, ethnic communities fighting on the streets of Sheffield, a dire and chronic housing shortage leading to the Roma sleeping rough, 10,000 Illegal Immigrants that can't be tracked, threat of Ebola reaching our shores, country on high terror alert, UK Border Force declared not fit for purpose, Quango's, expenses scandals, fraud, corruption, cover up's, slavery thriving, Illegal wars, and a third rate outfit selling out their grass roots to get jobs for the boys.

USA Food Banks ........

Linked to because America is supposedly the richest country in the world.......so......logically if they have such thing as Food Banks......why not us ?

Banking Crisis.........

Linked to because......the word Global is used to describe the Banking Crisis...........Nationalists would have it, they live in a world untouched by outside influences........only in their minds.

Migration a UK problem.........

Linked to because Nationalists have a persecution complex,the UK is not first prize......many choose Germany now THAT's irony

I am off out to buy some poison.......suicide is the best option in the world Oscar lives in.