Nigel Farage caught on camera admitting he wants to replace NHS with American-style health system - Mirror Online
Let's just hope the electorate see's through this clown before May
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That is gonna bite him in the arse like he never imagined. Up untill now there has been a strong element of voteablity about him that the BNP were frankly envious of. That's just set them back a country mile
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Snowfire;1467677 wrote: That is gonna bite him in the arse like he never imagined. Up untill now there has been a strong element of voteablity about him that the BNP were frankly envious of. That's just set them back a country mile
We were previously quite pissed off at the amount of air time and media coverage he was getting. We've changed our minds now and hope It continue's. The more he opens his mouth In public, the greater the service he does us.
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We were previously quite pissed off at the amount of air time and media coverage he was getting. We've changed our minds now and hope It continue's. The more he opens his mouth In public, the greater the service he does us.
@UKIP Nigel Farage vs Andrew Brons (elected on BNP ticket) - YouTube
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On that basis I hope they give the BNP all the air time they want.
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I think most people are voting UKIP as a way to stick it to the tories. Only a half wit would want a system like the americans have.
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That is gonna bite him in the arse like he never imagined. Up untill now there has been a strong element of voteablity about him that the BNP were frankly envious of. That's just set them back a country mile
Be interesting to see how much airtime this gets on the mainstream media.
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That is gonna bite him in the arse like he never imagined. Up untill now there has been a strong element of voteablity about him that the BNP were frankly envious of. That's just set them back a country mile
Be interesting to see how much airtime this gets on the mainstream media.
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Ukip leader Nigel Farage wants to lift ban on handguns | Daily Mail Online
Ukip leader Nigel Farage wants to lift ban on handguns | Daily Mail Online
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I never quite understood that part in the clip about the supposed difference between "Romanians" and "Romanian Citizens of Roma Origin". It's like saying there's a difference between being "British" & being a "British Citizen of British Origin".
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FourPart;1467688 wrote: I never quite understood that part in the clip about the supposed difference between "Romanians" and "Romanian Citizens of Roma Origin". It's like saying there's a difference between being "British" & being a "British Citizen of British Origin".
Try being british and being a british citizen of pakistani/jewish/jamaican origin.
Roma were one of the racial sub groups in the racial ideology of the nazis, come to that slavs were sub human so roma were sub human sub humans.
Try being british and being a british citizen of pakistani/jewish/jamaican origin.
Roma were one of the racial sub groups in the racial ideology of the nazis, come to that slavs were sub human so roma were sub human sub humans.
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FourPart;1467688 wrote: I never quite understood that part in the clip about the supposed difference between "Romanians" and "Romanian Citizens of Roma Origin". It's like saying there's a difference between being "British" & being a "British Citizen of British Origin".
There Is a difference.
Romanians descend from Europe and descend from Romans. Romanian language Is of Latin origin.
The Roma are gypsies and descend from Indian nomads. They arrived through Egypt and Turkey. Their language Is Sanskrit.
There Is a difference.
Romanians descend from Europe and descend from Romans. Romanian language Is of Latin origin.
The Roma are gypsies and descend from Indian nomads. They arrived through Egypt and Turkey. Their language Is Sanskrit.
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Oscar Namechange;1467686 wrote: It gets worse by the day
Ukip leader Nigel Farage wants to lift ban on handguns | Daily Mail Online
No good just reading headlines.
What he said was correct in my opinion.
Ukip leader Nigel Farage wants to lift ban on handguns | Daily Mail Online
No good just reading headlines.
What he said was correct in my opinion.
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The Ukip leader said the laws were 'ridiculous' and people should be allowed to keep handguns at home provided they are locked in a box.
Errrrr Hello !!!!
The only thing that should be kept In a box Is him
Errrrr Hello !!!!
The only thing that should be kept In a box Is him
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In one aspect, the Theory of what he's saying is correct, inasmuch as there is no threat from law abiding citizens ownling handguns. The point is that law abiding citizens ahould have no use for handguns. Furthermore, only issuing them with a licence to registered users isn't likely to make any difference. It will simply make it easier to source illegally held firearms.
The primary reason why gun crime is so low over here is that we have not allowed ourselves to get into the gun culture circle in the first place, where 'A' puts himself at an advantage over 'B', so 'C' decides he must put himself at a more advantageous position than 'A' or 'B'. Then 'A' sees he is relatively unprotected, and so the circle continues. This is the reason that the vast majority of the Police don't want to be routinely armed - and quite rightly so. If the public are allowed to have access to guns, then the Police will have no option but to put htemselves on a level playing ground - and so it goes on.
The primary reason why gun crime is so low over here is that we have not allowed ourselves to get into the gun culture circle in the first place, where 'A' puts himself at an advantage over 'B', so 'C' decides he must put himself at a more advantageous position than 'A' or 'B'. Then 'A' sees he is relatively unprotected, and so the circle continues. This is the reason that the vast majority of the Police don't want to be routinely armed - and quite rightly so. If the public are allowed to have access to guns, then the Police will have no option but to put htemselves on a level playing ground - and so it goes on.
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FourPart;1467705 wrote: If the public are allowed to have access to guns, then the Police will have no option but to put htemselves on a level playing ground - and so it goes on.
What you mean like this ?
The face of policing in London in the age of Islamic terrorism | Daily Mail Online
The buggers are armed to the teeth even In my home city.
Armed police on patrol in Bristol - Telegraph
Come on Fourpart... Smell the coffee :wah:
What you mean like this ?
The face of policing in London in the age of Islamic terrorism | Daily Mail Online
The buggers are armed to the teeth even In my home city.
Armed police on patrol in Bristol - Telegraph
Come on Fourpart... Smell the coffee :wah:
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The gun laws he refers to were brought in after Dunblane I believe as an over the top knee jerk reaction, and as he says the Olympic shooting squad have to travel to France to practice.
The man talks a lot of rubbish, but in this instance I agree with him and I am totally opposed to any sort of access to guns for the general population........even the BNP hit a good point sometimes..........don't mean I will be voting for either of the parties.
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It makes me shudder going through UK airports to see the Police with automatic weapons patrolling, funnily I saw no sign of such at JFK or La Guardia airports
The man talks a lot of rubbish, but in this instance I agree with him and I am totally opposed to any sort of access to guns for the general population........even the BNP hit a good point sometimes..........don't mean I will be voting for either of the parties.
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It makes me shudder going through UK airports to see the Police with automatic weapons patrolling, funnily I saw no sign of such at JFK or La Guardia airports
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As usual, in typical Daily Fail style, the whole story has been over sensationalised.
FourPart;1467705 wrote: This is the reason that the vast majority of the Police don't want to be routinely armed - and quite rightly so. If the public are allowed to have access to guns, then the Police will have no option but to put htemselves on a level playing ground - and so it goes on.
The clue's in the wording. In this instance the officers were not REGULAR Police Officers - they were SPECIALIST Officers who had been armed for a reason. Not only was there likely to be a terrorist threat at the best of times, but a terrorist assassination attempt on Her Majesty had been infiltrated earlier in the day.
Sit down & smell the cocoa, dear.
FourPart;1467705 wrote: This is the reason that the vast majority of the Police don't want to be routinely armed - and quite rightly so. If the public are allowed to have access to guns, then the Police will have no option but to put htemselves on a level playing ground - and so it goes on.
The clue's in the wording. In this instance the officers were not REGULAR Police Officers - they were SPECIALIST Officers who had been armed for a reason. Not only was there likely to be a terrorist threat at the best of times, but a terrorist assassination attempt on Her Majesty had been infiltrated earlier in the day.
Sit down & smell the cocoa, dear.
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FourPart;1467712 wrote: As usual, in typical Daily Fail style, the whole story has been over sensationalised.
The clue's in the wording. In this instance the officers were not REGULAR Police Officers - they were SPECIALIST Officers who had been armed for a reason. Not only was there likely to be a terrorist threat at the best of times, but a terrorist assassination attempt on Her Majesty had been infiltrated earlier in the day.
Sit down & smell the cocoa, dear. Then I suggest you try reading both of the articles I linked Sonny Jim. It Invariably leads to more Information and a greater understanding.
So, try reading the second link re: armed police In Bristol who are armed to deal with Rival Drug Gangs
That's rival Drug gangs ie NOT Terrorism :rolleyes::rolleyes:
The clue's in the wording. In this instance the officers were not REGULAR Police Officers - they were SPECIALIST Officers who had been armed for a reason. Not only was there likely to be a terrorist threat at the best of times, but a terrorist assassination attempt on Her Majesty had been infiltrated earlier in the day.
Sit down & smell the cocoa, dear. Then I suggest you try reading both of the articles I linked Sonny Jim. It Invariably leads to more Information and a greater understanding.
So, try reading the second link re: armed police In Bristol who are armed to deal with Rival Drug Gangs
That's rival Drug gangs ie NOT Terrorism :rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Oscar Namechange;1467713 wrote: That's rival Drug gangs ie NOT Terrorism :rolleyes::rolleyes:
It was also 2003.
It was also 2003.
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FourPart;1467717 wrote: It was also 2003. So you think they all just left the area. moved away and the police no longer carried guns ?
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The point is that if things were progressing in the way that the Daily Fail would have us believe, ALL cops (even the Specials - or whatever they're called these days)would be armed in that way. If there were masses of heavily armed officers patrolling the streets in London, don't you think they would have homed in on that? As it was the story showed that there were 2 of them, and wow - BOTH of them were armed. Given the number of civilians in the area, the number of potentials threats, and the number of potential victime (to say nothing of their status), I don't think that's anywhere NEAR unacceptable. As things stand, armed officers are only deployed where there is good reason to do so.
What puzzles me, though, is that we both seem to be in accord on the subject as a whole inasmuch as being opposed to the legislation of handguns is concerned, as well as being opposed to routine arming of Police Officers, yet once again you seem to be going vehemently on the defensive.
What puzzles me, though, is that we both seem to be in accord on the subject as a whole inasmuch as being opposed to the legislation of handguns is concerned, as well as being opposed to routine arming of Police Officers, yet once again you seem to be going vehemently on the defensive.
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So.....despite the British Olympic shooting team having to travel out of the country to practice their hobby, due to stringent gun laws.........criminals are still able to access illegal fire arms?
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Bruv;1467735 wrote: So.....despite the British Olympic shooting team having to travel out of the country to practice their hobby, due to stringent gun laws.........criminals are still able to access illegal fire arms?
And people go to countries such as Holland, where they can legally satisfy their drug habit. It doesn't stop them from illegally getting them over here though.
And people go to countries such as Holland, where they can legally satisfy their drug habit. It doesn't stop them from illegally getting them over here though.
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FourPart;1467746 wrote: And people go to countries such as Holland, where they can legally satisfy their drug habit. It doesn't stop them from illegally getting them over here though.
Are you agreeing with me ?
Are you agreeing with me ?
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Bruv;1467735 wrote: So.....despite the British Olympic shooting team having to travel out of the country to practice their hobby, due to stringent gun laws.........criminals are still able to access illegal fire arms?
Is there some point yopu are trying to make?
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The gun laws he refers to were brought in after Dunblane I believe as an over the top knee jerk reaction, and as he says the Olympic shooting squad have to travel to France to practice.
The dunblane shooting was carried out by legally owned guns. It was the last in several shooting carried out by opwners of legally owned guns. You mau think it was an over tbne top knee reaction personally anyione who wants to own a hand gun whose sole purpose is as an anti-personnel weapon should not be allowed to have one on the grounds of mental instability. In scotland carrying a knife will get you a jail sentence and if you think that is over the top you will find youirself in a minority of one, come to that there are calls to ban air rifles. IMO generally speaking those whose idea of fun is shooting small birds are not normal.
The argument that our police should be armed is a spurious one at best. The reason our police are not armed goes back to the days of the peelers when the main concern was that they not be seen as instruments of the state and used for repression of the people. It's the difference between upholding the law and enforcing it. At least in the UK we are not used to seeing demonstrators gunned down or people shot by police because they are worried the person they are stopping for a traffic offence might be armed.
Wec only need armed police on certain occasions there is no rational reason to change that.
Is there some point yopu are trying to make?
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The gun laws he refers to were brought in after Dunblane I believe as an over the top knee jerk reaction, and as he says the Olympic shooting squad have to travel to France to practice.
The dunblane shooting was carried out by legally owned guns. It was the last in several shooting carried out by opwners of legally owned guns. You mau think it was an over tbne top knee reaction personally anyione who wants to own a hand gun whose sole purpose is as an anti-personnel weapon should not be allowed to have one on the grounds of mental instability. In scotland carrying a knife will get you a jail sentence and if you think that is over the top you will find youirself in a minority of one, come to that there are calls to ban air rifles. IMO generally speaking those whose idea of fun is shooting small birds are not normal.
The argument that our police should be armed is a spurious one at best. The reason our police are not armed goes back to the days of the peelers when the main concern was that they not be seen as instruments of the state and used for repression of the people. It's the difference between upholding the law and enforcing it. At least in the UK we are not used to seeing demonstrators gunned down or people shot by police because they are worried the person they are stopping for a traffic offence might be armed.
Wec only need armed police on certain occasions there is no rational reason to change that.
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The 'Point' is that as far as I know many of these shootings have been with rifles and or shotguns. Shotguns are still available on licence to the general public, so still could be used by any would be nutter.
Why there is a blanket ban on handguns (handguns are not used for shooting birds......usually) with no exception for 'hobby' target shooters I have never understood.
I am totally behind the gun laws, but I believe an exception for the specific hand guns used by hobby or sport target shooting is within the capabilities of the legislators.
Why there is a blanket ban on handguns (handguns are not used for shooting birds......usually) with no exception for 'hobby' target shooters I have never understood.
I am totally behind the gun laws, but I believe an exception for the specific hand guns used by hobby or sport target shooting is within the capabilities of the legislators.
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I sometimes wonder about the mental stability of those who are so entranced by guns that they feel the need to take it up as a hobby in the first place.
As for only issuing to hobbyists, if that were the case, then all it would take is for some psychopath to claim it was his hobby in order to get a licence.
As for only issuing to hobbyists, if that were the case, then all it would take is for some psychopath to claim it was his hobby in order to get a licence.
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FourPart;1467775 wrote:
As for only issuing to hobbyists, if that were the case, then all it would take is for some psychopath to claim it was his hobby in order to get a licence.
Exactly !!!! Or have them stolen.
As for only issuing to hobbyists, if that were the case, then all it would take is for some psychopath to claim it was his hobby in order to get a licence.
Exactly !!!! Or have them stolen.
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FourPart;1467775 wrote: I sometimes wonder about the mental stability of those who are so entranced by guns that they feel the need to take it up as a hobby in the first place.
As for only issuing to hobbyists, if that were the case, then all it would take is for some psychopath to claim it was his hobby in order to get a licence.
What about chain saws ?
Hammers ?
As for only issuing to hobbyists, if that were the case, then all it would take is for some psychopath to claim it was his hobby in order to get a licence.
What about chain saws ?
Hammers ?
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Oscar Namechange;1467776 wrote: Exactly !!!! Or have them stolen.
What about the thousands of shotguns throughout the land ?
What about the thousands of shotguns throughout the land ?
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Bruv;1467735 wrote: So.....despite the British Olympic shooting team having to travel out of the country to practice their hobby, due to stringent gun laws.........criminals are still able to access illegal fire arms?
Your post Is a contradiction In terms.
The reason criminals are still able to access fire arms, Is In the clue of the word ' Illegal '
The Olympic team are not Involved In criminal activity and adhere to the law on guns.
That's like saying, people should have easy access to recreational heroin because criminals peddle It Illegally.
Your post Is a contradiction In terms.
The reason criminals are still able to access fire arms, Is In the clue of the word ' Illegal '
The Olympic team are not Involved In criminal activity and adhere to the law on guns.
That's like saying, people should have easy access to recreational heroin because criminals peddle It Illegally.
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Bruv;1467771 wrote: The 'Point' is that as far as I know many of these shootings have been with rifles and or shotguns. Shotguns are still available on licence to the general public, so still could be used by any would be nutter.
Why there is a blanket ban on handguns (handguns are not used for shooting birds......usually) with no exception for 'hobby' target shooters I have never understood.
I am totally behind the gun laws, but I believe an exception for the specific hand guns used by hobby or sport target shooting is within the capabilities of the legislators.
Not all, the Dunblane one in particular was carried out with legally owned handguns by a member of a gun club..
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What about chain saws ?
Hammers ?
singularly inane argument, even a little primary school kid could get away from someone with a chain saw or a hammer. Plus mutiple murders with a chain saw are a bit harder than with a gun or even a knife come to that.
That's tye trouble with the gun lobby. They come out with really stupid arguments and expect to be taken seriously and are offended when it is pointed out how stupid the argument is.
Why there is a blanket ban on handguns (handguns are not used for shooting birds......usually) with no exception for 'hobby' target shooters I have never understood.
I am totally behind the gun laws, but I believe an exception for the specific hand guns used by hobby or sport target shooting is within the capabilities of the legislators.
Not all, the Dunblane one in particular was carried out with legally owned handguns by a member of a gun club..
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What about chain saws ?
Hammers ?
singularly inane argument, even a little primary school kid could get away from someone with a chain saw or a hammer. Plus mutiple murders with a chain saw are a bit harder than with a gun or even a knife come to that.
That's tye trouble with the gun lobby. They come out with really stupid arguments and expect to be taken seriously and are offended when it is pointed out how stupid the argument is.
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Bruv;1467709 wrote: The gun laws he refers to were brought in after Dunblane I believe as an over the top knee jerk reaction, and as he says the Olympic shooting squad have to travel to France to practice.
The man talks a lot of rubbish, but in this instance I agree with him and I am totally opposed to any sort of access to guns for the general population........even the BNP hit a good point sometimes..........don't mean I will be voting for either of the parties.
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It makes me shudder going through UK airports to see the Police with automatic weapons patrolling, funnily I saw no sign of such at JFK or La Guardia airports
I repeat my original post to refresh what I actually said.......again.
Shotguns and Rifles are available for anybody to go on the rampage.............legally NOW.
Criminals still obtain firearms illegally, with or without legislation to curb their use, Laws can only go so far.
Caught up in these laws the harmless target shooting hobbiest is banned from owning a handgun...........and THAT is what I think is wrong.....nothing else.
I am sure there is a way that laws could be framed so that genuine long term sportsmen and women could legally own hand guns alongside the rifle owning sports people.
I am not part of the Gun Lobby and agree almost entirely with the present Laws.
What harm would come of allowing several hundreds sports hobbiests from owning their own weapons ?
The man talks a lot of rubbish, but in this instance I agree with him and I am totally opposed to any sort of access to guns for the general population........even the BNP hit a good point sometimes..........don't mean I will be voting for either of the parties.
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It makes me shudder going through UK airports to see the Police with automatic weapons patrolling, funnily I saw no sign of such at JFK or La Guardia airports
I repeat my original post to refresh what I actually said.......again.
Shotguns and Rifles are available for anybody to go on the rampage.............legally NOW.
Criminals still obtain firearms illegally, with or without legislation to curb their use, Laws can only go so far.
Caught up in these laws the harmless target shooting hobbiest is banned from owning a handgun...........and THAT is what I think is wrong.....nothing else.
I am sure there is a way that laws could be framed so that genuine long term sportsmen and women could legally own hand guns alongside the rifle owning sports people.
I am not part of the Gun Lobby and agree almost entirely with the present Laws.
What harm would come of allowing several hundreds sports hobbiests from owning their own weapons ?
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Sign of madness talking to yourself.
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Oscar Namechange;1467791 wrote: Sign of madness talking to yourself.
You must know about repeating yourself.
You must know about repeating yourself.
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Bruv;1467792 wrote: You must know about repeating yourself.
You can say that again.
You can say that again
You can say that again.
You can say that again
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Bruv;1467787 wrote: I repeat my original post to refresh what I actually said.......again.
Shotguns and Rifles are available for anybody to go on the rampage.............legally NOW.
Criminals still obtain firearms illegally, with or without legislation to curb their use, Laws can only go so far.
Caught up in these laws the harmless target shooting hobbiest is banned from owning a handgun...........and THAT is what I think is wrong.....nothing else.
I am sure there is a way that laws could be framed so that genuine long term sportsmen and women could legally own hand guns alongside the rifle owning sports people.
I am not part of the Gun Lobby and agree almost entirely with the present Laws.
What harm would come of allowing several hundreds sports hobbiests from owning their own weapons ?
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People who are obsessed with handguns are not normal. Your argument is spurious and nonsensical.
Someone can be battered to death with a lump of wood therefore we should allow people to own handguns because if they want they can go to a sports shop and buy a baseball bat so what's the difference. Seriously can you not see the flaw in your argumemt?
Shotguns and Rifles are available for anybody to go on the rampage.............legally NOW.
Criminals still obtain firearms illegally, with or without legislation to curb their use, Laws can only go so far.
Caught up in these laws the harmless target shooting hobbiest is banned from owning a handgun...........and THAT is what I think is wrong.....nothing else.
I am sure there is a way that laws could be framed so that genuine long term sportsmen and women could legally own hand guns alongside the rifle owning sports people.
I am not part of the Gun Lobby and agree almost entirely with the present Laws.
What harm would come of allowing several hundreds sports hobbiests from owning their own weapons ?
Sixteen children killed in Dunblane massacre: From the archive, 14 Mar 1996 | From the Guardian | theguardian.com
People who are obsessed with handguns are not normal. Your argument is spurious and nonsensical.
Someone can be battered to death with a lump of wood therefore we should allow people to own handguns because if they want they can go to a sports shop and buy a baseball bat so what's the difference. Seriously can you not see the flaw in your argumemt?
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Obsessed with hand guns? Anybody who is obsessed with anything are not normal.
I think people who are fanatical football supporters are not normal.
I am not talking about people carrying handguns in their waistband, I am talking about sportsmen and women. Some people enjoy enjoy fishing or throwing darts at a board, or sliding down mountains on skis, none of which are for me, but I wouldn't want to stop them enjoying themselves.
I think people who are fanatical football supporters are not normal.
I am not talking about people carrying handguns in their waistband, I am talking about sportsmen and women. Some people enjoy enjoy fishing or throwing darts at a board, or sliding down mountains on skis, none of which are for me, but I wouldn't want to stop them enjoying themselves.
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Bruv;1467823 wrote: Some people enjoy enjoy fishing or throwing darts at a board, or sliding down mountains on skis, none of which are for me, but I wouldn't want to stop them enjoying themselves.
None of which are capable of causing a massacre or committing an armed robbery, or any real intentional harm to anyone else (apart, maybe from darts, but that's hardly on the same scale - "Hand over the money, or I go for Double Tops").
None of which are capable of causing a massacre or committing an armed robbery, or any real intentional harm to anyone else (apart, maybe from darts, but that's hardly on the same scale - "Hand over the money, or I go for Double Tops").
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Bruv;1467823 wrote: Obsessed with hand guns? Anybody who is obsessed with anything are not normal.
I think people who are fanatical football supporters are not normal.
I am not talking about people carrying handguns in their waistband, I am talking about sportsmen and women. Some people enjoy enjoy fishing or throwing darts at a board, or sliding down mountains on skis, none of which are for me, but I wouldn't want to stop them enjoying themselves.
You're missing the point.
Shooting Olympic teams have to go to France because we lave laws on guns. We do not have laws on baseball bats.
If laws were changed just In order to stop the Olympic team jumping on a Ferry, then those changes In law would bring about abuse of the law and further criminal activity Involving guns.
Jockey's get Injured every day falling off race horses, some even get killed... but the the criminal element In the country Is not acquiring race horses Illegally just In order to get people to fall off them and die.
I think people who are fanatical football supporters are not normal.
I am not talking about people carrying handguns in their waistband, I am talking about sportsmen and women. Some people enjoy enjoy fishing or throwing darts at a board, or sliding down mountains on skis, none of which are for me, but I wouldn't want to stop them enjoying themselves.
You're missing the point.
Shooting Olympic teams have to go to France because we lave laws on guns. We do not have laws on baseball bats.
If laws were changed just In order to stop the Olympic team jumping on a Ferry, then those changes In law would bring about abuse of the law and further criminal activity Involving guns.
Jockey's get Injured every day falling off race horses, some even get killed... but the the criminal element In the country Is not acquiring race horses Illegally just In order to get people to fall off them and die.
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And you lot say I am missing the point ?
We licence shotguns?
We licence rifles ?
We refuse to licence hand guns ?
Right so far ?
I am not saying darts or skis are used with murderous intent.......so please don't put your own interpretation on my words.
I am saying there has been a long standing upright and law abiding section of society that get pleasure in the harmless pursuit of target shooting with hand guns, and if they can satisfy the same conditions that all the shotgun and rifle owners satisfy.............why on earth not allow them that privilege ?
18 year old yardies from Peckham need not apply.............because realistically they will still be obtaining their arms smuggled through Dover from European and middle East trouble spots.
We licence shotguns?
We licence rifles ?
We refuse to licence hand guns ?
Right so far ?
I am not saying darts or skis are used with murderous intent.......so please don't put your own interpretation on my words.
I am saying there has been a long standing upright and law abiding section of society that get pleasure in the harmless pursuit of target shooting with hand guns, and if they can satisfy the same conditions that all the shotgun and rifle owners satisfy.............why on earth not allow them that privilege ?
18 year old yardies from Peckham need not apply.............because realistically they will still be obtaining their arms smuggled through Dover from European and middle East trouble spots.
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Bruv;1467837 wrote:
18 year old yardies from Peckham need not apply.............because realistically they will still be obtaining their arms smuggled through Dover from European and middle East trouble spots.
Racist.
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To change laws on gun control just to help out one side of society would be to put more guns Into to country that In turn could be obtained Illegally when those changes to the law were abused.
18 year old yardies from Peckham need not apply.............because realistically they will still be obtaining their arms smuggled through Dover from European and middle East trouble spots.
Racist.
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To change laws on gun control just to help out one side of society would be to put more guns Into to country that In turn could be obtained Illegally when those changes to the law were abused.
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Bruv;1467837 wrote: I am saying there has been a long standing upright and law abiding section of society that get pleasure in the harmless pursuit of target shooting with hand guns, and if they can satisfy the same conditions that all the shotgun and rifle owners satisfy.............why on earth not allow them that privilege ?
18 year old yardies from Peckham need not apply.............because realistically they will still be obtaining their arms smuggled through Dover from European and middle East trouble spots.
Your argument also holds true for the legislation of heroin & other forms of Category 1 drugs.
Licences are given to drive cars which are, themselves, extremely lethal weapons, yet there are those who are constantly driving without a licence, after having been banned, with no insurance, no tax & no MOT. Therefore, by your argument we should allow all comers on the road in a free for all.
Those who are currently licenced to hold firearms are those who require them in their work, such as farmers, and others who need to be involved in animal control. They are not issued to just any old person off the street who fancies owning a gun as a status symbol.
Yes, there will be a criminal element who will get hold of illegally scourced firearms, but why make it easier for them to do so?
18 year old yardies from Peckham need not apply.............because realistically they will still be obtaining their arms smuggled through Dover from European and middle East trouble spots.
Your argument also holds true for the legislation of heroin & other forms of Category 1 drugs.
Licences are given to drive cars which are, themselves, extremely lethal weapons, yet there are those who are constantly driving without a licence, after having been banned, with no insurance, no tax & no MOT. Therefore, by your argument we should allow all comers on the road in a free for all.
Those who are currently licenced to hold firearms are those who require them in their work, such as farmers, and others who need to be involved in animal control. They are not issued to just any old person off the street who fancies owning a gun as a status symbol.
Yes, there will be a criminal element who will get hold of illegally scourced firearms, but why make it easier for them to do so?
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FourPart;1467873 wrote: Your argument also holds true for the legislation of heroin & other forms of Category 1 drugs.
No it doesn't......unless you want it to be........personally I wasn't talking about anything other than hand gun ownership.
Those who are currently licenced to hold firearms are those who require them in their work, such as farmers, and others who need to be involved in animal control. They are not issued to just any old person off the street who fancies owning a gun as a status symbol.
That is NOT true.....my brother has two shotguns in his house as we speak, he has no use for them in his line of work, has been a lifetime rough shooter.
Yes, there will be a criminal element who will get hold of illegally scourced firearms, but why make it easier for them to do so?
I doubt very much whether the handguns used by sportsmen would be eagerly sought after by the criminal element, or easily available.
No it doesn't......unless you want it to be........personally I wasn't talking about anything other than hand gun ownership.
Those who are currently licenced to hold firearms are those who require them in their work, such as farmers, and others who need to be involved in animal control. They are not issued to just any old person off the street who fancies owning a gun as a status symbol.
That is NOT true.....my brother has two shotguns in his house as we speak, he has no use for them in his line of work, has been a lifetime rough shooter.
Yes, there will be a criminal element who will get hold of illegally scourced firearms, but why make it easier for them to do so?
I doubt very much whether the handguns used by sportsmen would be eagerly sought after by the criminal element, or easily available.
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Bruv;1467875 wrote:
I doubt very much whether the handguns used by sportsmen would be eagerly sought after by the criminal element, or easily available. So you think that If someone or gang Is Intent on a home Invasion or armed robbery on a shop, they'll say ' hang on guys, we can't do this because all I can get Is hand guns. We'll put this on hold until we can get some rifles that fit our profile '
Yeah, that'll stop them.
I doubt very much whether the handguns used by sportsmen would be eagerly sought after by the criminal element, or easily available. So you think that If someone or gang Is Intent on a home Invasion or armed robbery on a shop, they'll say ' hang on guys, we can't do this because all I can get Is hand guns. We'll put this on hold until we can get some rifles that fit our profile '
Yeah, that'll stop them.
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You prove clearly that reading is not understanding, and that politicians like to have the last word.
Go on.......feel free.......I have said all I can on the subject......add what you think I might have said, if I was the person you think I am.
Go on.......feel free.......I have said all I can on the subject......add what you think I might have said, if I was the person you think I am.
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Home Invasion ?
You make me laugh.......
You make me laugh.......
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Bruv;1467897 wrote: Home Invasion ?
You make me laugh.......
What do you think an armed gang breaking Into a house at night and holding guns to the heads of the homeowners to force them to open the safe Is ?
It's not a bleedin Invite Is It ?
You make me laugh.......
What do you think an armed gang breaking Into a house at night and holding guns to the heads of the homeowners to force them to open the safe Is ?
It's not a bleedin Invite Is It ?
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Oscar Namechange;1467899 wrote: What do you think an armed gang breaking Into a house at night and holding guns to the heads of the homeowners to force them to open the safe Is ?
It's not a bleedin Invite Is It ?
Did they drive on the freeway during their road trip to invade this duplex?
It's not a bleedin Invite Is It ?
Did they drive on the freeway during their road trip to invade this duplex?
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Bruv;1467823 wrote: Obsessed with hand guns? Anybody who is obsessed with anything are not normal.
I think people who are fanatical football supporters are not normal.
I am not talking about people carrying handguns in their waistband, I am talking about sportsmen and women. Some people enjoy enjoy fishing or throwing darts at a board, or sliding down mountains on skis, none of which are for me, but I wouldn't want to stop them enjoying themselves.
I notice you ignored the second part of my post
Someone can be battered to death with a lump of wood therefore we should allow people to own handguns because if they want they can go to a sports shop and buy a baseball bat so what's the difference. Seriously can you not see the flaw in your argumemt?
I suspect that's because you know you are being nonsensical and prefer not to think about it.
If hamilton had walked in with a knife instead of a handgun he would not have been able to kill so many as the children ran away. Similarly with a shotgun - two shots and there is time to get away while he reloads - unless it's a pump action shotgun which sportsmen in the Uk tend not to use.
I think people who are fanatical football supporters are not normal.
I am not talking about people carrying handguns in their waistband, I am talking about sportsmen and women. Some people enjoy enjoy fishing or throwing darts at a board, or sliding down mountains on skis, none of which are for me, but I wouldn't want to stop them enjoying themselves.
I notice you ignored the second part of my post
Someone can be battered to death with a lump of wood therefore we should allow people to own handguns because if they want they can go to a sports shop and buy a baseball bat so what's the difference. Seriously can you not see the flaw in your argumemt?
I suspect that's because you know you are being nonsensical and prefer not to think about it.
If hamilton had walked in with a knife instead of a handgun he would not have been able to kill so many as the children ran away. Similarly with a shotgun - two shots and there is time to get away while he reloads - unless it's a pump action shotgun which sportsmen in the Uk tend not to use.
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Bruv;1467902 wrote: Did they drive on the freeway during their road trip to invade this duplex? Look dude, y'all need to chill with some sweet potato pie and crawfish gumbo. Don't ye go be bossin about these here parts yer varmit.
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Look at them all squabbling... what makes you think an election Is nigh ?
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