Two In the news today. Others don't make the headlines.
Just to make It plain here, this Is not a thread about political Parties.
A serious question though. How do we stop this ?
As a Poppy seller myself, It's now got to the point over recent years that we need supermarket security guards standing over us In shops. I don't remember It being like this 10 years ago.
I know some communities obviously see the Poppy as a symbol of war and English war at that especially since Blair led us Into an Illegal war.
I know from my own friends and contacts In the RBL, some old war Vets have a serious problem with their Poppy being associated with today's conflicts and I agree with them wholeheartedly.
So given the attacks today, what do we do ?
Educate that the Poppy Is remembering the fallen In world wars and not present day ?
Stop selling Poppies all together?
Ignore those It offends and risk more serious Injury to those who just want to remember the fallen ?
Should we pander to those offended and stay at home ?
What ?
Hammer attack on poppy seller, 79 | Daily Mail Online
Army Cadet burned in face in makeshift blowtorch attack while selling poppies - Crime - UK - The Independent
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Oscar Namechange;1467126 wrote: Two In the news today. Others don't make the headlines.
Just to make It plain here, this Is not a thread about political Parties.
A serious question though. How do we stop this ?
As a Poppy seller myself, It's now got to the point over recent years that we need supermarket security guards standing over us In shops. I don't remember It being like this 10 years ago.
I know some communities obviously see the Poppy as a symbol of war and English war at that especially since Blair led us Into an Illegal war.
I know from my own friends and contacts In the RBL, some old war Vets have a serious problem with their Poppy being associated with today's conflicts and I agree with them wholeheartedly.
So given the attacks today, what do we do ?
Educate that the Poppy Is remembering the fallen In world wars and not present day ?
Stop selling Poppies all together?
Ignore those It offends and risk more serious Injury to those who just want to remember the fallen ?
Should we pander to those offended and stay at home ?
What ?
Hammer attack on poppy seller, 79 | Daily Mail Online
Army Cadet burned in face in makeshift blowtorch attack while selling poppies - Crime - UK - The Independent
So who, in general, is carrying out these attacks in your experience, radicalised Muslims protesting about our involvement in the recent wars or the mindless yobs who also desecrate the war memorials?
Just to make It plain here, this Is not a thread about political Parties.
A serious question though. How do we stop this ?
As a Poppy seller myself, It's now got to the point over recent years that we need supermarket security guards standing over us In shops. I don't remember It being like this 10 years ago.
I know some communities obviously see the Poppy as a symbol of war and English war at that especially since Blair led us Into an Illegal war.
I know from my own friends and contacts In the RBL, some old war Vets have a serious problem with their Poppy being associated with today's conflicts and I agree with them wholeheartedly.
So given the attacks today, what do we do ?
Educate that the Poppy Is remembering the fallen In world wars and not present day ?
Stop selling Poppies all together?
Ignore those It offends and risk more serious Injury to those who just want to remember the fallen ?
Should we pander to those offended and stay at home ?
What ?
Hammer attack on poppy seller, 79 | Daily Mail Online
Army Cadet burned in face in makeshift blowtorch attack while selling poppies - Crime - UK - The Independent
So who, in general, is carrying out these attacks in your experience, radicalised Muslims protesting about our involvement in the recent wars or the mindless yobs who also desecrate the war memorials?
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No matter what you feel about war, or any particular war, personally, the poppy was intended to honor those who gave their lives in the war.
Surrender is not an option.
Being the centennial era of the "Great War" it seems some kind of educational program needs to be established to let people know what the Poppy is meant to show.
No matter how one feels about Tony and W and their war, respect for the dead should take precedence, I think.
Surrender is not an option.
Being the centennial era of the "Great War" it seems some kind of educational program needs to be established to let people know what the Poppy is meant to show.
No matter how one feels about Tony and W and their war, respect for the dead should take precedence, I think.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
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LarsMac;1467135 wrote: No matter what you feel about war, or any particular war, personally, the poppy was intended to honor those who gave their lives in the war.
Surrender is not an option.
Being the centennial era of the "Great War" it seems some kind of educational program needs to be established to let people know what the Poppy is meant to show.
No matter how one feels about Tony and W and their war, respect for the dead should take precedence, I think.
Totally agree with you, the soldiers deserve all of the respect and support we can give them - the politicians who sent them into combat whilst sitting safely in their plush offices, however, ...
Surrender is not an option.
Being the centennial era of the "Great War" it seems some kind of educational program needs to be established to let people know what the Poppy is meant to show.
No matter how one feels about Tony and W and their war, respect for the dead should take precedence, I think.
Totally agree with you, the soldiers deserve all of the respect and support we can give them - the politicians who sent them into combat whilst sitting safely in their plush offices, however, ...
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The Poppy is not only a symbol of those who have fallen in the line of duty, nor is it restricted to any individual conflict, but to all those who have fallen in the line of duty. I don't even see it as even being restricted to the Military, but for those that have given their lives for the sake of others (such as the Emergency Services). It honours those hwo have been murdered whilst offering their humanitarian services voluntarily. It's not even restricted to honouring our own countrymen or culture. It respects ALL who have fallen, regardless of Nationality, Faith, Creed or Politics.
Far from being a symbol of war, it is a symbol of peace, as the life arising from the devastation of the Battlefields. A symbol of hope for the future - for everyone.
Far from being a symbol of war, it is a symbol of peace, as the life arising from the devastation of the Battlefields. A symbol of hope for the future - for everyone.
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Bryn Mawr;1467132 wrote: So who, in general, is carrying out these attacks in your experience, radicalised Muslims protesting about our involvement in the recent wars or the mindless yobs who also desecrate the war memorials?
That raises another question with me Bryn. It Is not just radicalised Islamics desecrating war memorials as they did In London last year, and the attacks on Poppy sellers, we have our fair share of young British yobs at It too.
One moment In my life that stands out... Under cross examination, my lawyer asked the youth Involved ' What does the war memorial mean to you **** ?' The answer, In front of a packed public gallery full of war vets was ' It means nothing to me, It's for some dead people I suppose'... Of course some tabloids jumped all over this but In front of the whole RBL It really summed up the decline In respect these days.
So I for one would like to see the sacrifices made on the national curriculum so we don't ever hear some yob saying that ever again.
With radical Islam, I can actually see the cause of the attacks... It doesn't make It right but I can partly understand It. For our yobs, It must be lack of education on the subject.
That raises another question with me Bryn. It Is not just radicalised Islamics desecrating war memorials as they did In London last year, and the attacks on Poppy sellers, we have our fair share of young British yobs at It too.
One moment In my life that stands out... Under cross examination, my lawyer asked the youth Involved ' What does the war memorial mean to you **** ?' The answer, In front of a packed public gallery full of war vets was ' It means nothing to me, It's for some dead people I suppose'... Of course some tabloids jumped all over this but In front of the whole RBL It really summed up the decline In respect these days.
So I for one would like to see the sacrifices made on the national curriculum so we don't ever hear some yob saying that ever again.
With radical Islam, I can actually see the cause of the attacks... It doesn't make It right but I can partly understand It. For our yobs, It must be lack of education on the subject.
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FourPart;1467139 wrote: The Poppy is not only a symbol of those who have fallen in the line of duty, nor is it restricted to any individual conflict, but to all those who have fallen in the line of duty. I don't even see it as even being restricted to the Military, but for those that have given their lives for the sake of others (such as the Emergency Services). It honours those hwo have been murdered whilst offering their humanitarian services voluntarily. It's not even restricted to honouring our own countrymen or culture. It respects ALL who have fallen, regardless of Nationality, Faith, Creed or Politics.
Far from being a symbol of war, it is a symbol of peace, as the life arising from the devastation of the Battlefields. A symbol of hope for the future - for everyone.
Untrue
The poppy Is the symbol of Flanders Field... It's been hijacked over the decades for anyone wanting to use It for their own Interpretation.
BBC - Remembrance - Why the Poppy?
Far from being a symbol of war, it is a symbol of peace, as the life arising from the devastation of the Battlefields. A symbol of hope for the future - for everyone.
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The poppy Is the symbol of Flanders Field... It's been hijacked over the decades for anyone wanting to use It for their own Interpretation.
BBC - Remembrance - Why the Poppy?
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I was probably getting confused with the White Poppy, although its origins are the same - the only new life amongst the devastation of the battlefields.
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It started as a symbol and a way of remembering the fallen from ww1 but also to remind everyone of the futility of war. It's got bugger all to do with militarism or celebrating victory. Those who take offence at it don't have to buy one. Those who wopuld use it for their own ends are beneath contempt I have little patience with the poppy fascists that tghink it is patriotic to wear one and miss the point.
Go to any village in europe and tyop will find ww1 memorials, it's not just us remembering thesde events.
Go to any village in europe and tyop will find ww1 memorials, it's not just us remembering thesde events.
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gmc;1467156 wrote: It started as a symbol and a way of remembering the fallen from ww1 but also to remind everyone of the futility of war. It's got bugger all to do with militarism or celebrating victory. Those who take offence at it don't have to buy one. Those who wopuld use it for their own ends are beneath contempt I have little patience with the poppy fascists that tghink it is patriotic to wear one and miss the point.
Go to any village in europe and tyop will find ww1 memorials, it's not just us remembering thesde events.
Couldn't agree more.... scroll through to 3.30
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Go to any village in europe and tyop will find ww1 memorials, it's not just us remembering thesde events.
Couldn't agree more.... scroll through to 3.30
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Another question I ask myself, Is how long It'll be before we've all forgotten. When the very last WW2 Vet passes away, will they be remembered still ?
Every year I march through a town near me ( not alone, that would be daft )... Its a great procession with brass bands. There's something very stirring about hundreds of people on the march.
At the end we gather at the war memorial and I suppose the thing thats most noticable Is the silence of those hundreds of people, heads bowed. You look around and you see the Surviving War Vets with tears dripping off the end of their chins. Then local big wigs go and lay their wreath on the memorial. I'm honoured that the RBL ask me to lay one also. Then the part that gets me every time... The last Post. Every year, I Insist before hand that I am not going to cry but It's the one time I do.
I'm not usually an over sentimental person but at that moment In time, my thought Is always the same. A young man telling his 10 year old only son that he'll be back soon and never returning. That son being my Dad. My Grandfather died on The Somme aged just 29.
Who will remember them when we are all gone ?
Every year I march through a town near me ( not alone, that would be daft )... Its a great procession with brass bands. There's something very stirring about hundreds of people on the march.
At the end we gather at the war memorial and I suppose the thing thats most noticable Is the silence of those hundreds of people, heads bowed. You look around and you see the Surviving War Vets with tears dripping off the end of their chins. Then local big wigs go and lay their wreath on the memorial. I'm honoured that the RBL ask me to lay one also. Then the part that gets me every time... The last Post. Every year, I Insist before hand that I am not going to cry but It's the one time I do.
I'm not usually an over sentimental person but at that moment In time, my thought Is always the same. A young man telling his 10 year old only son that he'll be back soon and never returning. That son being my Dad. My Grandfather died on The Somme aged just 29.
Who will remember them when we are all gone ?
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FourPart;1467155 wrote: I was probably getting confused with the White Poppy, although its origins are the same - the only new life amongst the devastation of the battlefields.
"The inquisitive mind of a child"
Why are they selling poppies, Mummy?
Selling poppies in town today.
The poppies, child, are flowers of love.
For the men who marched away.
But why have they chosen a poppy, Mummy?
Why not a beautiful rose?
Because my child, men fought and died
In the fields where the poppies grow.
But why are the poppies so red, Mummy?
Why are the poppies so red?
Red is the colour of blood, my child.
The blood that our soldiers shed.
The heart of the poppy is black, Mummy.
Why does it have to be black?
Black, my child, is the symbol of grief.
For the men who never came back.
But why, Mummy are you crying so?
Your tears are giving you pain.
My tears are my fears for you my child.
For the world is forgetting again.
Anon
"The inquisitive mind of a child"
Why are they selling poppies, Mummy?
Selling poppies in town today.
The poppies, child, are flowers of love.
For the men who marched away.
But why have they chosen a poppy, Mummy?
Why not a beautiful rose?
Because my child, men fought and died
In the fields where the poppies grow.
But why are the poppies so red, Mummy?
Why are the poppies so red?
Red is the colour of blood, my child.
The blood that our soldiers shed.
The heart of the poppy is black, Mummy.
Why does it have to be black?
Black, my child, is the symbol of grief.
For the men who never came back.
But why, Mummy are you crying so?
Your tears are giving you pain.
My tears are my fears for you my child.
For the world is forgetting again.
Anon
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Here''s something for our American members... This Is how England does pomp. The sea of red Is actually thousands of Individual ceramic poppies especially made to mark Remembrance Sunday this year. The thousands of poppies are to symbolise the river of blood from The Tower of London
Fantastic pics.
Thousands flock to Tower of London's poppy display ignoring overcrowding warnings | Daily Mail Online
Fantastic pics.
Thousands flock to Tower of London's poppy display ignoring overcrowding warnings | Daily Mail Online
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That's earned a place in my FaceBook. Most impressive.
I didn't see any mention of what's going to happen to them afterwards though. It would be such a shame to see all that hard work go to waste.
I didn't see any mention of what's going to happen to them afterwards though. It would be such a shame to see all that hard work go to waste.
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FourPart;1467187 wrote: That's earned a place in my FaceBook. Most impressive.
I didn't see any mention of what's going to happen to them afterwards though. It would be such a shame to see all that hard work go to waste.
They are being sold off... proceeds to RBL as I understand It
I didn't see any mention of what's going to happen to them afterwards though. It would be such a shame to see all that hard work go to waste.
They are being sold off... proceeds to RBL as I understand It
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In another Poppy seller attack, a man has been charged.
POPPY ABUSE: Adelso Saws charged after Belper cadet selling poppies is told he will be "shot by Taliban" | Derby Telegraph
An Interesting turn of events today on the subject... Speaking with the RBL this morning about my manning the Poppy stalls during the week, I was told one area where I had previously sold Poppies had been taken off the list of venue's. I didn't really need to ask why, It was obvious after the bloody awful experience we endured down there two years ago but It was confirmed that given the large ethnic community In that area, the safety of the Poppy sellers was paramount.
I feel somewhat Indignant... for one, during my experience there, I did find many various ethnic communities happy to buy a Poppy but have to agree that the abuse outweighed the positive. Is this pandering ? As they say In the EDL ' NFSE '
POPPY ABUSE: Adelso Saws charged after Belper cadet selling poppies is told he will be "shot by Taliban" | Derby Telegraph
An Interesting turn of events today on the subject... Speaking with the RBL this morning about my manning the Poppy stalls during the week, I was told one area where I had previously sold Poppies had been taken off the list of venue's. I didn't really need to ask why, It was obvious after the bloody awful experience we endured down there two years ago but It was confirmed that given the large ethnic community In that area, the safety of the Poppy sellers was paramount.
I feel somewhat Indignant... for one, during my experience there, I did find many various ethnic communities happy to buy a Poppy but have to agree that the abuse outweighed the positive. Is this pandering ? As they say In the EDL ' NFSE '
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It doesn't really surprise me that there always yobs who find it funny to hurl abuse & intimidate people, but while reading the article I saw this other link at the bottom which, in my view, is even more sickening:
POPPY MONEY STOLEN: Thieves steal collection box from Derbyshire store | Derby Telegraph
POPPY MONEY STOLEN: Thieves steal collection box from Derbyshire store | Derby Telegraph
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FourPart;1467202 wrote: It doesn't really surprise me that there always yobs who find it funny to hurl abuse & intimidate people, but while reading the article I saw this other link at the bottom which, in my view, is even more sickening:
POPPY MONEY STOLEN: Thieves steal collection box from Derbyshire store | Derby Telegraph
As a Poppy Seller myself, I have to say that In all honesty, we have never had any abuse from what you'd have to determine as white British. Any problems with abuse has unfortunately been from those In ethnic communities but as I said prior, some do buy poppies from us. That's the whole point of my OP, the abuse comes from those who feel we are glorifying British Involvement In the Middle east today and don't understand we are remembering the fallen In the First World War.
The thieving of Poppy tins Is a separate entity. Because just as we never get abuse from white British, It Is white British stealing the tins.
In one supermarket I manned, we ended up chaining the tins to the wall and had to have security stand over us when one brazen yob grabbed a tin and legged It. That's why now we replace tins with empties even when just a fraction full. It Is something that annoys the feck out of me because some of us give a full week to the cause, unpaid and entirely voluntary In Freezing cold foyers of supermarkets, on our feet for up to 8 hours a day just to see that.
POPPY MONEY STOLEN: Thieves steal collection box from Derbyshire store | Derby Telegraph
As a Poppy Seller myself, I have to say that In all honesty, we have never had any abuse from what you'd have to determine as white British. Any problems with abuse has unfortunately been from those In ethnic communities but as I said prior, some do buy poppies from us. That's the whole point of my OP, the abuse comes from those who feel we are glorifying British Involvement In the Middle east today and don't understand we are remembering the fallen In the First World War.
The thieving of Poppy tins Is a separate entity. Because just as we never get abuse from white British, It Is white British stealing the tins.
In one supermarket I manned, we ended up chaining the tins to the wall and had to have security stand over us when one brazen yob grabbed a tin and legged It. That's why now we replace tins with empties even when just a fraction full. It Is something that annoys the feck out of me because some of us give a full week to the cause, unpaid and entirely voluntary In Freezing cold foyers of supermarkets, on our feet for up to 8 hours a day just to see that.
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Should get them to stand holding the tins, with THEM chained to the wall.
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FourPart;1467207 wrote: Should get them to stand holding the tins, with THEM chained to the wall. You'd not believe some of the tricks they try to pull... seriously, practised diversion tactics.
Two years ago I was on the stall In Morrison's In Bristol. A little girl came up to the stall, about 8 years old and asked for a Poppy. She had no money, so I gave her one. Then she Insisted I pinned It on her coat. She kept on and on Insisting I pinned It on her coat so I gave In and did so... Literally, minutes later the Mother approached the stall and claimed I had ruined her daughters coat and demanded £ 60 compensation... It was the first time I'd heard a 93 year old decorated war Vet tell someone to go **** themselves.
Two years ago I was on the stall In Morrison's In Bristol. A little girl came up to the stall, about 8 years old and asked for a Poppy. She had no money, so I gave her one. Then she Insisted I pinned It on her coat. She kept on and on Insisting I pinned It on her coat so I gave In and did so... Literally, minutes later the Mother approached the stall and claimed I had ruined her daughters coat and demanded £ 60 compensation... It was the first time I'd heard a 93 year old decorated war Vet tell someone to go **** themselves.
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It sounds like the script for some sort of sitcom.
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FourPart;1467210 wrote: It sounds like the script for some sort of sitcom.
Entitled ' They don't like It up em '
Me on Poppy Stall
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Entitled ' They don't like It up em '
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I could think of a few captions to go with that....
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Oscar's wreath was delivered this morning by the R.B.L. ready for the ceremony on remembrance sunday. This is the wreath representing the Royal Air Force,
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Police are looking for teenagers... funny how brave they are under the cover of night but run to the police crying when you throw their bike across the road.... filth.. utter filth
Police appeal for witnesses after 'sickening' burning of war memorial - ITV News
Police appeal for witnesses after 'sickening' burning of war memorial - ITV News
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Oscar Namechange;1467633 wrote: Police are looking for teenagers... funny how brave they are under the cover of night but run to the police crying when you throw their bike across the road.... filth.. utter filth
Police appeal for witnesses after 'sickening' burning of war memorial - ITV News
I agree. At least the Islamic Activists did their burning in the open in the daytime, in plain view. This was just senseless vandalism, with no purpose behind it whatsoever.
Police appeal for witnesses after 'sickening' burning of war memorial - ITV News
I agree. At least the Islamic Activists did their burning in the open in the daytime, in plain view. This was just senseless vandalism, with no purpose behind it whatsoever.
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Oscar Namechange;1467633 wrote: Police are looking for teenagers... funny how brave they are under the cover of night but run to the police crying when you throw their bike across the road.... filth.. utter filth
"Police are looking for teenagers".........is that any/all teenagers or specific ones?
You have been found guilty of generalising......................yet again
"Police are looking for teenagers".........is that any/all teenagers or specific ones?
You have been found guilty of generalising......................yet again
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Bruv;1467637 wrote: "Police are looking for teenagers".........is that any/all teenagers or specific ones?
You have been found guilty of generalising......................yet again If you read the article, there's a clue.
Two teenagers - a boy and a girl - were seen running away from the scene towards a park early this morning
Do try to keep up.
You have been found guilty of generalising......................yet again If you read the article, there's a clue.
Two teenagers - a boy and a girl - were seen running away from the scene towards a park early this morning
Do try to keep up.
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FourPart;1467635 wrote: I agree. At least the Islamic Activists did their burning in the open in the daytime, in plain view. This was just senseless vandalism, with no purpose behind it whatsoever.
Islamic activists have at least a message for the British government and why they do It In daylight... ie to ram that message home. This Is just mindless vandilism with no message and no real cause.
Good job I wasn't walking the dog that night... I'd be In a police cell right now with the arresting officer writing on a forum " so what, It was just a piece of turf ".
Funny the things you save to documents eh ?
Islamic activists have at least a message for the British government and why they do It In daylight... ie to ram that message home. This Is just mindless vandilism with no message and no real cause.
Good job I wasn't walking the dog that night... I'd be In a police cell right now with the arresting officer writing on a forum " so what, It was just a piece of turf ".
Funny the things you save to documents eh ?
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Oscar Namechange;1467638 wrote: If you read the article, there's a clue.
Two teenagers - a boy and a girl - were seen running away from the scene towards a park early this morning
Do try to keep up.
Looking for 'some' teenagers then ?
As a politician you should learn to write clearly, or people might think you are condemning ALL teenagers..... ....as in 'when you throw their bikes across the road'..............and 'Filth utter filth'...........anything to do with this case ?
Two teenagers - a boy and a girl - were seen running away from the scene towards a park early this morning
Do try to keep up.
Looking for 'some' teenagers then ?
As a politician you should learn to write clearly, or people might think you are condemning ALL teenagers..... ....as in 'when you throw their bikes across the road'..............and 'Filth utter filth'...........anything to do with this case ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1467644 wrote: Looking for 'some' teenagers then ?
As a politician you should learn to write clearly, or people might think you are condemning ALL teenagers..... ....as in 'when you throw their bikes across the road'..............and 'Filth utter filth'...........anything to do with this case ?
Any other sane, rational person would not think for one minute that I said police were looking for any teenagers....
Nice try but back to topic please.
As a politician you should learn to write clearly, or people might think you are condemning ALL teenagers..... ....as in 'when you throw their bikes across the road'..............and 'Filth utter filth'...........anything to do with this case ?
Any other sane, rational person would not think for one minute that I said police were looking for any teenagers....
Nice try but back to topic please.
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