European Jewish leaders furiously condemned a German court's ruling outlawing circumcision as the "worst attack on Jews since the Holocaust" yesterday and demanded that Chancellor Angela Merkel's government intervene to protect the practice as a religious rite.
Is this a plan to get Muslim and Jew to unite in a fight against this ?
Circumcision ban in Germany ?
Circumcision ban in Germany ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Circumcision ban in Germany ?
It's actually a thing that's been ongoing for a couple of years now, with the pro-circumcision lobby protesting it illegality on the grounds of Human Rights, by infringing the right to practice their faith freely, while the anti-circumcision lobby have also been protesting it on the grounds of Human Rights, but with the right of the child not to be mutilated.
Personally I am opposed to circumcision (apart from when it's for medical reasons, of course) where the victim has no choice in the matter. The pro-circumcision lobby will argue that it makes no difference to the sensation levels, even though few of them have been in a situation where it can be compared. I had to undergo a partial circumcision a couple of years ago, due to a cycling injury some 20 years or so ago, and I can assure you that there is a major detrimental difference.
I have no objections to anyone undergoing a circumcision as part of their faith, once they reach an age at which they can make a concious, informed decision to do so, knowing that it's a one-way process, with no going back.
Basically, I'm opposed to any form of bodily mutilation, especially in infants - even with piercings. There is nothing worse than seeing a baby with studs in its nose because it's chavvy Mother thinks it looks. Adult piercings are bad enough, but any form of bodily harm to an infant, be it for cosmetic or Religious / Cultural reasons is abuse, plain & simple, and should be treated as such.
Personally I am opposed to circumcision (apart from when it's for medical reasons, of course) where the victim has no choice in the matter. The pro-circumcision lobby will argue that it makes no difference to the sensation levels, even though few of them have been in a situation where it can be compared. I had to undergo a partial circumcision a couple of years ago, due to a cycling injury some 20 years or so ago, and I can assure you that there is a major detrimental difference.
I have no objections to anyone undergoing a circumcision as part of their faith, once they reach an age at which they can make a concious, informed decision to do so, knowing that it's a one-way process, with no going back.
Basically, I'm opposed to any form of bodily mutilation, especially in infants - even with piercings. There is nothing worse than seeing a baby with studs in its nose because it's chavvy Mother thinks it looks. Adult piercings are bad enough, but any form of bodily harm to an infant, be it for cosmetic or Religious / Cultural reasons is abuse, plain & simple, and should be treated as such.
Circumcision ban in Germany ?
They didn't get very far trying to claim female genital mutilation was part of a religious rite, neither should they when claiming male genital mutilation is part of a religious rite.
As Four Part says, when they are adults they can make an informed choice, as babies they are victims.
As Four Part says, when they are adults they can make an informed choice, as babies they are victims.
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Bryn Mawr;1467272 wrote: They didn't get very far trying to claim female genital mutilation was part of a religious rite, neither should they when claiming male genital mutilation is part of a religious rite.
As Four Part says, when they are adults they can make an informed choice, as babies they are victims.
Male genital mutilation, or circumcision is definitely a religious rite as it is ordered for Jewish males in the Old Testament. It's not a false claim at all. I, however, don't agree with circumcision, although if Jews can't claim it as a religious "right" then ban religion, which you can't do.
As Four Part says, when they are adults they can make an informed choice, as babies they are victims.
Male genital mutilation, or circumcision is definitely a religious rite as it is ordered for Jewish males in the Old Testament. It's not a false claim at all. I, however, don't agree with circumcision, although if Jews can't claim it as a religious "right" then ban religion, which you can't do.
Circumcision ban in Germany ?
I am flabbagastered.
Things are going so well that the next cause is circumcision??
REALLY ??
Who would your arrest?
Mom, Dad, Mohel?
What really is the motive?
Tell me just how circumcision has hurt humanity, or banning it would be a bonus.
Things are going so well that the next cause is circumcision??
REALLY ??
Who would your arrest?
Mom, Dad, Mohel?
What really is the motive?
Tell me just how circumcision has hurt humanity, or banning it would be a bonus.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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I'd go after the mohel for practicing medicine without a license. I never saw a circumcision. When my nephews were born, the oldest 43 years ago, I boycotted the ceremony, & continued to do so for all the little yiddel boys in my life. I find it abhorrent, actually. I wouldn't outlaw it for Jews, however, despite my personal feelings against it. It is a requirement, not that I care about that.
Circumcision ban in Germany ?
AnneBoleyn;1467291 wrote: I'd go after the mohel for practicing medicine without a license.
Practicing medicine?
AnneBoleyn;1467291 wrote: I never saw a circumcision. When my nephews were born, the oldest 43 years ago, I boycotted the ceremony, & continued to do so for all the little yiddel boys in my life. I find it abhorrent, actually. I wouldn't outlaw it for Jews, however, despite my personal feelings against it. It is a requirement, not that I care about that.
You give an exception for Jews?
Fine, whatever. I just don't get the objection.
Practicing medicine?
AnneBoleyn;1467291 wrote: I never saw a circumcision. When my nephews were born, the oldest 43 years ago, I boycotted the ceremony, & continued to do so for all the little yiddel boys in my life. I find it abhorrent, actually. I wouldn't outlaw it for Jews, however, despite my personal feelings against it. It is a requirement, not that I care about that.
You give an exception for Jews?
Fine, whatever. I just don't get the objection.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Circumcision ban in Germany ?
AnneBoleyn;1467291 wrote: I'd go after the mohel for practicing medicine without a license. I never saw a circumcision. When my nephews were born, the oldest 43 years ago, I boycotted the ceremony, & continued to do so for all the little yiddel boys in my life. I find it abhorrent, actually. I wouldn't outlaw it for Jews, however, despite my personal feelings against it. It is a requirement, not that I care about that.
First rule of the Hypocratic Oath: "First, I Shall Do No Harm" (or words to that effect).
As for never having seen a circumcision, here's a typical example. I won't add it as an embedded clip, as it is somewhat graphic & could be rather distressing.
First rule of the Hypocratic Oath: "First, I Shall Do No Harm" (or words to that effect).
As for never having seen a circumcision, here's a typical example. I won't add it as an embedded clip, as it is somewhat graphic & could be rather distressing.
Circumcision ban in Germany ?
AnneBoleyn;1467291 wrote: I'd go after the mohel for practicing medicine without a license. I never saw a circumcision. When my nephews were born, the oldest 43 years ago, I boycotted the ceremony, & continued to do so for all the little yiddel boys in my life. I find it abhorrent, actually. I wouldn't outlaw it for Jews, however, despite my personal feelings against it. It is a requirement, not that I care about that.
I recall a case recently where they did just that after the baby ¿died? as a result of infection.
I recall a case recently where they did just that after the baby ¿died? as a result of infection.
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tude dog;1467298 wrote: Practicing medicine?
You give an exception for Jews?
Fine, whatever. I just don't get the objection.
Yes, practicing medicine. It's a surgical procedure, & no surgical procedure is minor or without risk. I give exception for Jews because as you have yourself stated it is a requirement for Jewish males to be circumcised to be a welcome member in the tribe without complaint from yentas & their male equivalents.
My objection is that it is not necessary for men's health in today's hygienic conditions. No desert sand is going to cause smegma that can't be cleaned off. They didn't exactly bathe a lot in the old days.
You give an exception for Jews?
Fine, whatever. I just don't get the objection.
Yes, practicing medicine. It's a surgical procedure, & no surgical procedure is minor or without risk. I give exception for Jews because as you have yourself stated it is a requirement for Jewish males to be circumcised to be a welcome member in the tribe without complaint from yentas & their male equivalents.
My objection is that it is not necessary for men's health in today's hygienic conditions. No desert sand is going to cause smegma that can't be cleaned off. They didn't exactly bathe a lot in the old days.