British troops ended their combat operations in Afghanistan on Sunday as they and U.S. Marines handed over two huge adjacent bases to the Afghan military.
With a cost of nearly 3500 coalition deaths and as many as 2100 Afghan civilians
Was it all worth it, what has been gained and how long will it last ?
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
Bruv;1466791 wrote: British troops ended their combat operations in Afghanistan on Sunday as they and U.S. Marines handed over two huge adjacent bases to the Afghan military.
With a cost of nearly 3500 coalition deaths and as many as 2100 Afghan civilians
Was it all worth it, what has been gained and how long will it last ?
I doubt it will last long. The various warlords are still in control of their regions and the "government" has little control over the nation. I suspect we will see a replay of Iraq, where various factions have been biding their time, gathering weapons and resources. They'll probably hunker down for the Winter, and come spring, all hell will break loose.
I could be wrong. I hope so.
The faction leaders could realize that further infighting will only open the door for the Taliban, or the IS to move in and take over.
With a cost of nearly 3500 coalition deaths and as many as 2100 Afghan civilians
Was it all worth it, what has been gained and how long will it last ?
I doubt it will last long. The various warlords are still in control of their regions and the "government" has little control over the nation. I suspect we will see a replay of Iraq, where various factions have been biding their time, gathering weapons and resources. They'll probably hunker down for the Winter, and come spring, all hell will break loose.
I could be wrong. I hope so.
The faction leaders could realize that further infighting will only open the door for the Taliban, or the IS to move in and take over.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
Every time we've gone into Afghanistan we've got our asses whooped. Despite all the Gung-Ho Propaganda we're being fed, this time's no different. It just goes to show that you can't fight a war where only one side insists on sticking to the rules. When you can't tell the difference between your opponent & innocent civillians. When those innocent civillians support the opposition, be it by choice or by fear, you've got no chance.
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
LarsMac;1466792 wrote: I doubt it will last long. The various warlords are still in control of their regions and the "government" has little control over the nation. I suspect we will see a replay of Iraq, where various factions have been biding their time, gathering weapons and resources. They'll probably hunker down for the Winter, and come spring, all hell will break loose.
I could be wrong. I hope so.
The faction leaders could realize that further infighting will only open the door for the Taliban, or the IS to move in and take over.
Walk out leave we a vacuum.
I would rather we capitalize on our accomplishments than just run away.
I could be wrong. I hope so.
The faction leaders could realize that further infighting will only open the door for the Taliban, or the IS to move in and take over.
Walk out leave we a vacuum.
I would rather we capitalize on our accomplishments than just run away.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
tude dog;1466832 wrote: ...
I would rather we capitalize on our accomplishments than just run away.
You have suggestions on just how we capitalize on Afghanistan?
I would rather we capitalize on our accomplishments than just run away.
You have suggestions on just how we capitalize on Afghanistan?
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
LarsMac;1466833 wrote: You have suggestions on just how we capitalize on Afghanistan?
Capitalize maybe the wrong word.
I was thinking more of training and support of any local allies we (had) have there.
We are/were there.
If we garnered any goodwill with the people there it vanishes when we leave.
Maybe leaving those folk alone is the best for all.
We all saw how that worked out on 9/11.
Capitalize maybe the wrong word.
I was thinking more of training and support of any local allies we (had) have there.
We are/were there.
If we garnered any goodwill with the people there it vanishes when we leave.
Maybe leaving those folk alone is the best for all.
We all saw how that worked out on 9/11.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
tude dog;1466834 wrote: Capitalize maybe the wrong word.
Maybe leaving those folk alone is the best for all.
We all saw how that worked out on 9/11.
Had we left them alone in the first place, chances are that would not have developed.
Maybe leaving those folk alone is the best for all.
We all saw how that worked out on 9/11.
Had we left them alone in the first place, chances are that would not have developed.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
LarsMac;1466836 wrote: Had we left them alone in the first place, chances are that would not have developed.
I think you'll find it was the other way round. The invasion of Afghanistan began as a result of 9/11 (supposedly).
I think you'll find it was the other way round. The invasion of Afghanistan began as a result of 9/11 (supposedly).
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
FourPart;1466838 wrote: I think you'll find it was the other way round. The invasion of Afghanistan began as a result of 9/11 (supposedly).
Did we need an excuse ?
Did we need an excuse ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
FourPart;1466838 wrote: I think you'll find it was the other way round. The invasion of Afghanistan began as a result of 9/11 (supposedly).
You have to look back a little further than 9/11
The Soviets invaded Afghanistan to support a pro-Communist insurrection. When Ronnie Raygun was Pres, the US began supplying Arms and supplies to the Afghan resistance fighters, who called themselves Muj Haddin. One of the leaders of that group was none other than Osama Bin Laden. We supported them until the Soviets gave up and left.
After the Soviets left, we, of course, lost interest in the place, and the post-war vacuum was eventually filled with the Taliban.
Meanwhile, Bin Laden began to dedicate himself to the removal of Israel. When Hussein invaded Kuwait, and the Saudis called Daddy Bush for help, we arrived with all our toys. Bin Laden and his boys already resented the Americans for abandoning them in Afghanistan, and now we were trampling about the Holy grounds of Arabia, and he vowed to take us down a notch or two.
Had we helped rebuild Afghanistan after the Russians left, we may have gained a real friend in the region. Had we just stayed out of it, to begin with, The Russians would have had to deal with whatever became of the region.
Either way, 9/11 would not have happened, and we would not have invaded Afghanistan.
Not that any of that really matters, now.
What's done's done.
And here we all are.
You have to look back a little further than 9/11
The Soviets invaded Afghanistan to support a pro-Communist insurrection. When Ronnie Raygun was Pres, the US began supplying Arms and supplies to the Afghan resistance fighters, who called themselves Muj Haddin. One of the leaders of that group was none other than Osama Bin Laden. We supported them until the Soviets gave up and left.
After the Soviets left, we, of course, lost interest in the place, and the post-war vacuum was eventually filled with the Taliban.
Meanwhile, Bin Laden began to dedicate himself to the removal of Israel. When Hussein invaded Kuwait, and the Saudis called Daddy Bush for help, we arrived with all our toys. Bin Laden and his boys already resented the Americans for abandoning them in Afghanistan, and now we were trampling about the Holy grounds of Arabia, and he vowed to take us down a notch or two.
Had we helped rebuild Afghanistan after the Russians left, we may have gained a real friend in the region. Had we just stayed out of it, to begin with, The Russians would have had to deal with whatever became of the region.
Either way, 9/11 would not have happened, and we would not have invaded Afghanistan.
Not that any of that really matters, now.
What's done's done.
And here we all are.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
Often seen the claim we supplied arms to Bin Laden.
Now our saintly president wants to repeat what we did earlier in Afghanistan, just leave. Forget about it .
Same we did in Iraq and that is working out really well.
But hey, it is all former President Bush’s fault.
Now our saintly president wants to repeat what we did earlier in Afghanistan, just leave. Forget about it .
Same we did in Iraq and that is working out really well.
But hey, it is all former President Bush’s fault.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
LarsMac;1466842 wrote: Bin Laden and his boys already resented the Americans for abandoning them in Afghanistan, and now we were trampling about the Holy grounds of Arabia, and he vowed to take us down a notch or two.
Come on buddy.
Even if we had been supplying him and his gang with weapons, could anyone believe that would buy any love?
I don't claim to know why, but it seems obvious to me and much of the world there is a large faction of Muslims who just HATE.
Come on buddy.
Even if we had been supplying him and his gang with weapons, could anyone believe that would buy any love?
I don't claim to know why, but it seems obvious to me and much of the world there is a large faction of Muslims who just HATE.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
tude dog;1466849 wrote: Often seen the claim we supplied arms to Bin Laden.
Now our saintly president wants to repeat what we did earlier in Afghanistan, just leave. Forget about it .
Same we did in Iraq and that is working out really well.
But hey, it is all former President Bush’s fault.
Actually, if it was worth fixing blame, the fault goes back to 80s and everybody's favorite political actor.
Well, and the gnomes of Halliburton.
The President is just the face in front of the curtains.
Now our saintly president wants to repeat what we did earlier in Afghanistan, just leave. Forget about it .
Same we did in Iraq and that is working out really well.
But hey, it is all former President Bush’s fault.
Actually, if it was worth fixing blame, the fault goes back to 80s and everybody's favorite political actor.
Well, and the gnomes of Halliburton.
The President is just the face in front of the curtains.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
How far back do you want to take it?
Hitler invaded Russia, bringing them into the war. As a result Russia took control of the Eastern Bloc, leading to the Cold War, leading to a continual knife edge battle between Russia & America, using 3rd party countries as their battlegrounds. The trail of events just keeps going back - then, of course, you can take it back even further to the reasons for Hitler's rise to power following the state Germany had been left in after the Great War.
Etc., etc....
Hitler invaded Russia, bringing them into the war. As a result Russia took control of the Eastern Bloc, leading to the Cold War, leading to a continual knife edge battle between Russia & America, using 3rd party countries as their battlegrounds. The trail of events just keeps going back - then, of course, you can take it back even further to the reasons for Hitler's rise to power following the state Germany had been left in after the Great War.
Etc., etc....
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
LarsMac;1466851 wrote: Actually, if it was worth fixing blame, the fault goes back to 80s and everybody's favorite political actor.
Well, and the gnomes of Halliburton.
The President is just the face in front of the curtains.
Correct me if I am wrong, but we never sent air power or ground troops to Afghanistan until after 9/11. Our only interest was to harass the Soviets, so to the Mujahedeen we gave weapons. Not really much different than the Soviets did for communist North Viet Nam.
Wanna play the blame game we can go back to Billy Clinton 1993 World Trade Center bombing who like the current White House occupant couldn't look at that bombing as anything more than a domestic criminal act.
Feb 1993: The first World Trade Center attack and the first al-Qaeda terrorist attack on America was carried out killing six and injuring hundreds. Six Muslim radicals, whom the US officials suspect have links to bin Laden, are eventually convicted for the bombing.
1994: The Saudi government revokes bin Laden citizenship and freezes his assets after he issued fatwas, or Islamic religious pronouncements, denouncing both the royal family and the United States.
Nov 1995: A truck bomb exploded near the Saudi National Guard Communications Center in central Riyadh, killing five American soldiers and two Indian police. The attack is attributed to bin Laden's group, which did not claim responsibility but made clear its support for those responsible.
June 1996: A truck loaded with explosives destroyed a building at the US military base of Khobar in Saudi Arabia. Nineteen American servicemen were killed and 386 were wounded.
August 1996: Bin Laden formally declared a holy war against the US forces.
August 1998: Suicide bombings on the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania kill 224 people including 12 Americans. The United States indicted bin Laden for role in embassy bombings.
2000: The destroyer U.S.S. Cole was attacked while refueling in Yemen. Seventeen sailors were killed.
Sept 11, 2001: Two hijacked US airliners crashed into the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York and a third hijacked plane crashed into the Pentagon outside Washington, killing more than 3,000 people.
Sept 13, 2001: the US government named bin Laden as a principal suspect for coordinating the attacks in New York and Washington.
IBT
Well, and the gnomes of Halliburton.
The President is just the face in front of the curtains.
Correct me if I am wrong, but we never sent air power or ground troops to Afghanistan until after 9/11. Our only interest was to harass the Soviets, so to the Mujahedeen we gave weapons. Not really much different than the Soviets did for communist North Viet Nam.
Wanna play the blame game we can go back to Billy Clinton 1993 World Trade Center bombing who like the current White House occupant couldn't look at that bombing as anything more than a domestic criminal act.
Feb 1993: The first World Trade Center attack and the first al-Qaeda terrorist attack on America was carried out killing six and injuring hundreds. Six Muslim radicals, whom the US officials suspect have links to bin Laden, are eventually convicted for the bombing.
1994: The Saudi government revokes bin Laden citizenship and freezes his assets after he issued fatwas, or Islamic religious pronouncements, denouncing both the royal family and the United States.
Nov 1995: A truck bomb exploded near the Saudi National Guard Communications Center in central Riyadh, killing five American soldiers and two Indian police. The attack is attributed to bin Laden's group, which did not claim responsibility but made clear its support for those responsible.
June 1996: A truck loaded with explosives destroyed a building at the US military base of Khobar in Saudi Arabia. Nineteen American servicemen were killed and 386 were wounded.
August 1996: Bin Laden formally declared a holy war against the US forces.
August 1998: Suicide bombings on the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania kill 224 people including 12 Americans. The United States indicted bin Laden for role in embassy bombings.
2000: The destroyer U.S.S. Cole was attacked while refueling in Yemen. Seventeen sailors were killed.
Sept 11, 2001: Two hijacked US airliners crashed into the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York and a third hijacked plane crashed into the Pentagon outside Washington, killing more than 3,000 people.
Sept 13, 2001: the US government named bin Laden as a principal suspect for coordinating the attacks in New York and Washington.
IBT
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1466923 wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but we never sent air power or ground troops to Afghanistan until after 9/11. Our only interest was to harass the Soviets, so to the Mujahedeen we gave weapons. Not really much different than the Soviets did for communist North Viet Nam.
Wanna play the blame game we can go back to Billy Clinton 1993 World Trade Center bombing who like the current White House occupant couldn't look at that bombing as anything more than a domestic criminal act.
Harrass the Soviets by creating bin Laden. That's what we did. Arm the future Taliban. We did that too.
Communist North Viet Nam. While we supported the courageous ARVN aka SVA who inspired Buddhist monks to self-immolate. Bet you believed in the Domino Theory.
Billy Clinton. So typical of your sarcasm.
The current occupant of the White House made sure bin Laden is dead. Oops, you forgot.
I do think, however, after the death of bin Laden we should have totally left that place of sh!t called Afghanistan completely. Mission accomplished, for real this time, not like Georgie Porgie Bush---a little tude humor here. Such a statement.
You're funny, TD. You can write a beautiful tribute to Dr. Salk & this, too!
Wanna play the blame game we can go back to Billy Clinton 1993 World Trade Center bombing who like the current White House occupant couldn't look at that bombing as anything more than a domestic criminal act.
Harrass the Soviets by creating bin Laden. That's what we did. Arm the future Taliban. We did that too.
Communist North Viet Nam. While we supported the courageous ARVN aka SVA who inspired Buddhist monks to self-immolate. Bet you believed in the Domino Theory.
Billy Clinton. So typical of your sarcasm.
The current occupant of the White House made sure bin Laden is dead. Oops, you forgot.
I do think, however, after the death of bin Laden we should have totally left that place of sh!t called Afghanistan completely. Mission accomplished, for real this time, not like Georgie Porgie Bush---a little tude humor here. Such a statement.
You're funny, TD. You can write a beautiful tribute to Dr. Salk & this, too!
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
AnneBoleyn;1466929 wrote: Harrass the Soviets by creating bin Laden. That's what we did. Arm the future Taliban. We did that too
That's the claim.
AnneBoleyn;1466929 wrote: Communist North Viet Nam. While we supported the courageous ARVN aka SVA who inspired Buddhist monks to self-immolate. Bet you believed in the Domino Theory.
Oh gee, Buddhist monk candles are our fault.
AnneBoleyn;1466929 wrote: Billy Clinton. So typical of your sarcasm.
OH GEE
Of all the things to get uptight over. As if raised in the South nobody ever called him Billy.
Actually when I wrote that I was thinking about a Southern President we all know and love known as 'Jimmy'.
AnneBoleyn;1466929 wrote: The current occupant of the White House made sure bin Laden is dead. Oops, you forgot.
Oh NO. I give him full credit for his decision.
Just like I approve of his use of drones to assassinate terrorist leaders. It is unfortunate that often times they waste a half dozen or so innocent bystanders. Maybe a little restraint in how we do this nasty business.
Not exactly a way to win friends and influence people.
AnneBoleyn;1466929 wrote: I do think, however, after the death of bin Laden we should have totally left that place of sh!t called Afghanistan completely. Mission accomplished, for real this time, not like Georgie Porgie Bush---a little tude humor here. Such a statement.
You are entitled to that opinion.
AnneBoleyn;1466929 wrote: You're funny, TD. You can write a beautiful tribute to Dr. Salk & this, too!
Thank You.
That's the claim.
AnneBoleyn;1466929 wrote: Communist North Viet Nam. While we supported the courageous ARVN aka SVA who inspired Buddhist monks to self-immolate. Bet you believed in the Domino Theory.
Oh gee, Buddhist monk candles are our fault.
AnneBoleyn;1466929 wrote: Billy Clinton. So typical of your sarcasm.
OH GEE
Of all the things to get uptight over. As if raised in the South nobody ever called him Billy.
Actually when I wrote that I was thinking about a Southern President we all know and love known as 'Jimmy'.
AnneBoleyn;1466929 wrote: The current occupant of the White House made sure bin Laden is dead. Oops, you forgot.
Oh NO. I give him full credit for his decision.
Just like I approve of his use of drones to assassinate terrorist leaders. It is unfortunate that often times they waste a half dozen or so innocent bystanders. Maybe a little restraint in how we do this nasty business.
Not exactly a way to win friends and influence people.
AnneBoleyn;1466929 wrote: I do think, however, after the death of bin Laden we should have totally left that place of sh!t called Afghanistan completely. Mission accomplished, for real this time, not like Georgie Porgie Bush---a little tude humor here. Such a statement.
You are entitled to that opinion.
AnneBoleyn;1466929 wrote: You're funny, TD. You can write a beautiful tribute to Dr. Salk & this, too!
Thank You.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
FourPart;1466909 wrote: How far back do you want to take it?
Hitler invaded Russia, bringing them into the war. As a result Russia took control of the Eastern Bloc, leading to the Cold War, leading to a continual knife edge battle between Russia & America, using 3rd party countries as their battlegrounds. The trail of events just keeps going back - then, of course, you can take it back even further to the reasons for Hitler's rise to power following the state Germany had been left in after the Great War.
Etc., etc....
Actually, most historians say that the Cold War began when the US and Britain blind-sided Russia by invading them immediately after WWI, while we were still allies. The Russians never forgot it and still refer to it as the "American Invasion".
Hitler invaded Russia, bringing them into the war. As a result Russia took control of the Eastern Bloc, leading to the Cold War, leading to a continual knife edge battle between Russia & America, using 3rd party countries as their battlegrounds. The trail of events just keeps going back - then, of course, you can take it back even further to the reasons for Hitler's rise to power following the state Germany had been left in after the Great War.
Etc., etc....
Actually, most historians say that the Cold War began when the US and Britain blind-sided Russia by invading them immediately after WWI, while we were still allies. The Russians never forgot it and still refer to it as the "American Invasion".
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
I was not trying fix blame on anyone. I was merely following the causal chain.
There are plenty of places blame for the mess we find ourselves in these days.
Though it's kind of pointless to do so.
As for American presidents, the last time we really had a decent person in the White house, most of us were not even a gleam in Daddy's eye. The person in the white house has been the result of our twisted idea of politics.
So if you want to fix blame for the fix America is in on someone, it is time for a collective look in the mirror. Pretty much the same can be said for Britain and the rest of the Western world.
And back to Afghanistan. I hold to what I said. Had we stayed out of it in the first place, much of the sh!t we find ourselves in would not have happened.
Now for the present. Until we stop pointing fingers and get to work, we will not see much improvement.
There are plenty of places blame for the mess we find ourselves in these days.
Though it's kind of pointless to do so.
As for American presidents, the last time we really had a decent person in the White house, most of us were not even a gleam in Daddy's eye. The person in the white house has been the result of our twisted idea of politics.
So if you want to fix blame for the fix America is in on someone, it is time for a collective look in the mirror. Pretty much the same can be said for Britain and the rest of the Western world.
And back to Afghanistan. I hold to what I said. Had we stayed out of it in the first place, much of the sh!t we find ourselves in would not have happened.
Now for the present. Until we stop pointing fingers and get to work, we will not see much improvement.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
Wandrin;1466932 wrote: Actually, most historians say that the Cold War began when the US and Britain blind-sided Russia by invading them immediately after WWI, while we were still allies. The Russians never forgot it and still refer to it as the "American Invasion".
"Most historians" ?
"Most historians" ?
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
FourPart;1466909 wrote: How far back do you want to take it?
Hitler invaded Russia, bringing them into the war. As a result Russia took control of the Eastern Bloc, leading to the Cold War, leading to a continual knife edge battle between Russia & America, using 3rd party countries as their battlegrounds. The trail of events just keeps going back - then, of course, you can take it back even further to the reasons for Hitler's rise to power following the state Germany had been left in after the Great War.
Etc., etc....
For all practical purposes I think the OP was about British and Americans leaving Afghanistan.
I would think we could reasonably limit it to more recent events than Hitler's or Mohammad's time.
Hitler invaded Russia, bringing them into the war. As a result Russia took control of the Eastern Bloc, leading to the Cold War, leading to a continual knife edge battle between Russia & America, using 3rd party countries as their battlegrounds. The trail of events just keeps going back - then, of course, you can take it back even further to the reasons for Hitler's rise to power following the state Germany had been left in after the Great War.
Etc., etc....
For all practical purposes I think the OP was about British and Americans leaving Afghanistan.
I would think we could reasonably limit it to more recent events than Hitler's or Mohammad's time.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
tude dog;1466935 wrote: For all practical purposes I think the OP was about British and Americans leaving Afghanistan.
I would think we could reasonably limit it to more recent events than Hitler's or Mohammad's time.
Either that, or take it back to the days of Alexander and blame it on him.
I would think we could reasonably limit it to more recent events than Hitler's or Mohammad's time.
Either that, or take it back to the days of Alexander and blame it on him.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
tude dog;1466935 wrote: For all practical purposes I think the OP was about British and Americans leaving Afghanistan.
I would think we could reasonably limit it to more recent events than Hitler's or Mohammad's time.
It depends who is telling the history and from what time their involvement in it's history starts where the blame lies, and of course that blame is always with the dastardly other side. The reasons lives are lost are always because 'We' were doing the right thing against the wrong doers.......whichever side you listen to.
It is not ALL about the US and the UK as THIS list shows.
The tales as I have heard this week are along the lines that........large parts of the country are still under 'enemy' control, who have had an abundant opium harvest fertilised supplied by the coalition , so more arms are on the way. We needed to get out, for public relations and financial reasons, the Taliban are in this for the long haul.
I would think we could reasonably limit it to more recent events than Hitler's or Mohammad's time.
It depends who is telling the history and from what time their involvement in it's history starts where the blame lies, and of course that blame is always with the dastardly other side. The reasons lives are lost are always because 'We' were doing the right thing against the wrong doers.......whichever side you listen to.
It is not ALL about the US and the UK as THIS list shows.
The tales as I have heard this week are along the lines that........large parts of the country are still under 'enemy' control, who have had an abundant opium harvest fertilised supplied by the coalition , so more arms are on the way. We needed to get out, for public relations and financial reasons, the Taliban are in this for the long haul.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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LarsMac;1466934 wrote: "Most historians" ?
Okay, several historians I have read. Sorry 'bout that.
Okay, several historians I have read. Sorry 'bout that.
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Wandrin;1466942 wrote: Okay, several historians I have read. Sorry 'bout that.
Given that the entire expeditionary force was less than 8000 men, I'd say it hardly qualified ans an invasion.
And only a few hard core Russian Historians really care about it at this point.
Fact is, We were there at the time to support what was then still an allied government, even if it was crumbling rapidly.
Given that the entire expeditionary force was less than 8000 men, I'd say it hardly qualified ans an invasion.
And only a few hard core Russian Historians really care about it at this point.
Fact is, We were there at the time to support what was then still an allied government, even if it was crumbling rapidly.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
LarsMac;1466943 wrote: Given that the entire expeditionary force was less than 8000 men, I'd say it hardly qualified ans an invasion.
And only a few hard core Russian Historians really care about it at this point.
Fact is, We were there at the time to support what was then still an allied government, even if it was crumbling rapidly.
8,000 US soldiers, 14 battalions from the Brits, 20 ships from the British navy, and RAF support.
So, if Russia had invaded the US at any point with the same numbers, would we remember it and hold a grudge?
And only a few hard core Russian Historians really care about it at this point.
Fact is, We were there at the time to support what was then still an allied government, even if it was crumbling rapidly.
8,000 US soldiers, 14 battalions from the Brits, 20 ships from the British navy, and RAF support.
So, if Russia had invaded the US at any point with the same numbers, would we remember it and hold a grudge?
Afghanistan.....is that the end ?
Wandrin;1466958 wrote: 8,000 US soldiers, 14 battalions from the Brits, 20 ships from the British navy, and RAF support.
So, if Russia had invaded the US at any point with the same numbers, would we remember it and hold a grudge?
What? Americans hold a grudge?
Preposterous!
So, if Russia had invaded the US at any point with the same numbers, would we remember it and hold a grudge?
What? Americans hold a grudge?
Preposterous!
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence