Nigel Farage

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:37 am

What do you think ?

Poll: Is Nigel Farage right to suggest migrants with HIV should not enter the UK? « Shropshire Star

Meanwhile, I'd like to dedicate this short little ditty to Mr Farage

The Stranglers - Shut Up - YouTube

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:53 am

Oscar Namechange;1466056 wrote: What do you think ?

Poll: Is Nigel Farage right to suggest migrants with HIV should not enter the UK? Shropshire Star

Meanwhile, I'd like to dedicate this short little ditty to Mr Farage

The Stranglers - Shut Up - YouTube

well actually he does have a point - although why he thinks there are a lot of migrants with hiv entering the country is a bit of a puzzle. This myth that we can't copntrol immigration is just that a myth. countries like germany don;t continue opaying unemployment benefits to immigrants from the eu if they have been unemployed for more than six mionths - they send them home. both france and germany impose time scales on when immigrants can begin to claim benefits, we can do the same but it's politically expedient to pretend otherwise. We also don't need to pay for thebtratment of foreign nationals but the nhs management don't seem ca[able of getting them to pay.

Her's a liar, he claims 75% of our laws come from europe - that's just a lie. The percentage of cases that the european courts decide against the british government is less than 1%, on the other hand it's, for example, thanks to the eu that we it is now illegakl to discriminate against part time workers by excluding them from pension, sick pay, holiday pay entitlement.

Us leaving the eu would be a financial and political disaster, quite frankly they make the BNP look rational.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:45 am

Some Interesting stats here...

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I can't see how you or any government could enforce this. To me, It seems totally Impractical to Implement... we know migrants don't arrive In the UK with medical notes and medical history so how on earth could this be Implemented.?

Farage Is a liar... we pick up on him all the time... the man Is a gobshyte who's got carried away In the belief he's going to win a clear majority. He says only what he thinks Middle England wants to hear and unfortunately, many In Middle England fall for the sincerity of the bulls.hit.

What the Tories need to do If serious about getting a clear majority In May Is look to why Middle England Is voting for this clown party and address It. Such Issue's as you mentioned, health tourism. They are so terrified at being branded racist that they have let UKIP flourish. There Is nothing racist about saying to someone who has never set foot In our country before, If you need the NHS, money upfront.

I am proud to be Muslim said the Asian man.

I am proud to be black said the Black man.

I am proud to white said the racist.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:36 am

This Is amusing

HIV-positive woman challenges Nigel Farage live on air – video | Politics | The Guardian

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:55 pm

Firat of all, I think it's a no-brainer. Of course we need to stop anyone with HIV from entering the country - just as we need to stop anyone with potentially contagious, life-threatening diseases, not only to stem it's spread, but to avoid having the UK treated as a fre Inter-National Health Service. The same applies to migrants with Criminal Records (dependant on category & time).

Oscar Namechange;1466061 wrote: What the Tories need to do If serious about getting a clear majority In May Is look to why Middle England Is voting for this clown party and address It. Such Issue's as you mentioned, health tourism. They are so terrified at being branded racist that they have let UKIP flourish. There Is nothing racist about saying to someone who has never set foot In our country before, If you need the NHS, money upfront.

I am proud to be Muslim said the Asian man.

I am proud to be black said the Black man.

I am proud to white said the racist.

Apart from the superfluous 'clown' in the post, I totally agree.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:09 am

SNP criticise 'utterly unacceptable' exclusion from pre-election TV debates... and find ally in Ukip | Herald Scotland

The broadcasters have the cheek to say that their proposed format factors in 'changes in the political landscape' to justify including Ukip - entirely ignoring the fact that the SNP are now by far the third largest political party in the UK.

Why is he being included in national general election debates when the snp is the third largest political party in the UK, has six MP's in westminster to the ukip's one and is quite likely to have more than that come the general election is not. Come to that there is every possibility the labour partyb will niot have enough seats to form even a coalition government with anybody.

Even the greens are on a par with with the libdems now. It's ludicrous that ukip get given all this publicity and is treated as if it is a real political party. It's a protest vote.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:54 am

oscar: "I am proud to be Muslim said the Asian man.

I am proud to be black said the Black man.

I am proud to white said the racist."

Not always proud to be human.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:42 am

I do tend to agree with the SNP on this. However, it does seem ironic that they are now protesting about not being included as part of UK issues. As I recall, they were the ones that didn't want anything to do with the UK.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:01 am

What next Plaid Cymru and Sein Fein ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:02 am

gmc;1466085 wrote: SNP criticise 'utterly unacceptable' exclusion from pre-election TV debates... and find ally in Ukip | Herald Scotland

Why is he being included in national general election debates when the snp is the third largest political party in the UK, has six MP's in westminster to the ukip's one and is quite likely to have more than that come the general election is not. Come to that there is every possibility the labour partyb will niot have enough seats to form even a coalition government with anybody.

Even the greens are on a par with with the libdems now. It's ludicrous that ukip get given all this publicity and is treated as if it is a real political party. It's a protest vote.

Maybe now you can see how a biased media can promote or demote any Political Party.

I think that In actual fact, most people In this country have a problem with mass Immigration. Especially In the North and London where people have seen the demographics of their city change beyond recognition over a few decades. Yet, under Labour and Blair, there was a culture of fear created In order for the man In the street to be deemed racist should he dare object. Look at Rotherham. Authorities too afraid to blow the whistle for fear of loss of jobs and being branded.

Over the years my Party has been given a personna by biased left wing media especially the now criminal and defunct News of The World who'd challenge Griffin to sue and use up Party funds In law suits and legal costs.

Before UKIP came along, due to that manufactured personna, the man In the street feared supporting my Party because to do so was very much to cross over to the dark side and what was portrayed as the Far Far Right.

Farage presented many of my Parties policies but dressed up In respectability by men In expensive suits. Those who secretly wanted to end Immigration saw a new Party of respectability and those tabloids who agreed with Middle England set about promoting him. There Is no doubt that Farage presented a far saner Image than our Mr Griffin who's now doing all he can to destroy Adam Walker.

But, Farage Is a liar.

@UKIP Nigel Farage vs Andrew Brons (elected on BNP ticket) - YouTube

Having said that, The mainstream Parties took their eye off the ball and deeply deeply underestimated the feeling In the UK on Immigration. For that, they are now paying.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:12 am

Actually, I will make a prediction.

General Election In May ?

Around March we will see the 4 th Panorama Special on corruption In the BNP.... yep, we're waiting.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:15 am

Oscar Namechange;1466093 wrote: Actually, I will make a prediction.

General Election In May ?

Around March we will see the 4 th Panorama Special on corruption In the BNP.... yep, we're waiting.

Thought this thread was about Farage ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:30 am

Bruv;1466094 wrote: Thought this thread was about Farage ? One Is merely responding to our Scottish learned friend's comments of lack of media coverage on Alex Salmond and the SNP and I am pointing out the parallel's of such nature. If you have problems with written text and replies, you can go to my election blog at:

www.whataloadofbollocks.com

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:27 pm

FourPart;1466090 wrote: I do tend to agree with the SNP on this. However, it does seem ironic that they are now protesting about not being included as part of UK issues. As I recall, they were the ones that didn't want anything to do with the UK.

No it's not ironic and the snp never said thety wanted nothing to do with the UK - been reading the daily mail have you? The decision was to stay in the union so to ignore the third largest party in the UK in favour of a party with less support and only one MP is ludicrous not only that it makes the no vote in to a farce, why vote to stay in the union if we then find ourselves excluded from any of the discussions about the future of the said union?

The scottish referendum changed british politics if the westminster parties don't deliver what they promised you will see another referendum sooner rather than later. Also the tories want to stop scots MP's voting on "english only" issues, personally I think they have a point especially when they supported (during the last labour government) labour policies on the nhs that they don't in scotland. But it would mean effecrtively that labour would never be viable to form a viable government in westminster.

Gordon brown does not want the powers to raise the money that is spent in scotland fully devolved as effectively it would end the union and the labour party. Not to include the snp makes the point for them that to westminster thinks scotland an irrelevance despite all the panic over the prospect we might vote yes.

posted by bruv

What next Plaid Cymru and Sein Fein ?

Why not if they can justify ukip getting a seat at the table despite having only one MP.

posted by bruv

Thought this thread was about Farage ?

He's a tosser - would be a very short thread if we confined it only to nick farage. He gives respectability to a nasty right wing lunatic fringe in the UK populace. Ever tried talking to ione of his supporters?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:37 pm

Selective reporting Auld Yin. Did anyone watch that sycophantic BBC show tonight entitled ' The Farage Factor' ? Nope, me neither, I wanted to keep my food down at the time.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:40 pm

But seriously.......of course UKIP shouldn't get a place, they are a flash in the pan fronted by a nob.

But the question whether the regional parties should have a voice in the national run in to elections is far more important.

Plaid Cymru, Sein Fein and the SNP have no place to speak on National policies.........have they ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:43 pm

Have to share this... So I get my enquiry updates for the West from HQ. For me to phone, visit whatever. There on the list Is Nigel Fargage along with address and phone number.

Now you all know and I know, this Is a wind up. Some bright spark has phoned the BNP enquiry line and had a laugh but the girls have to take the Info.

Now, I'd not be doing my job would I If I didn't follow up the enquiry and on checking I found this was Indeed Nigel Farage's address and phone number.

The woman who took my call was most Indignant but I stressed ' Look, I have a call from Mr Nigel Farage asking to join the BNP and It's my job to return his call. She became quite rude so I asked If Mr Farage told her everything adding ' how do you know he didn't ring us'?

It was a few moments of devilish play that saw her hang up on me.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:19 pm

Bruv;1466106 wrote: But seriously.......of course UKIP shouldn't get a place, they are a flash in the pan fronted by a nob.

But the question whether the regional parties should have a voice in the national run in to elections is far more important.

Plaid Cymru, Sein Fein and the SNP have no place to speak on National policies.........have they ?

I think this General Election will see many surprises Including far more protest votes.

Yet, while we will continue to flag up Farage's lies and contradictions, It has to be said, he's marketed his Party extremely well. Farage Is a liar particually when It comes to the whopper that his Party does not accept ex BNP. I spoke to yet another ex Member only last week, someone In Somerset who was an Organiser for his area and him and 4 others that could not work under Griffin now have UKIP membership cards. Mr Farage you a liar and I can prove you are a liar.

Yet, Farage has appealed to the electorate. I ask the question, do they appeal to the electorate or Is It just the case that mainstream has grossly underestimated the British feeling?

The Party of UKIP Is packaged and It's been done well enough to hit a nerve with those who secretly don't want more Immigration or want to get out of the EU because UKIP and the way It's marketed, adds a personna of respectability. Yet, delve deeper and you find that most of those who'll be standing In May have stood before for other parties and failed to get elected. When you look deep enough, you find UKIP Is made up In the main of tired old hasbeens and neverwere's In the hope they'll get a career out of It.

Mr Farage has gone public and stated he will retire In 5 years and he's only In It to disrupt Parliament.

For my Party, we have to look to the long term. The Brons challenge 2 years ago decimated and fragmented the Party and here we are today, with Nick Griffin holding meetings around the country In a bid to overthrow Adam Walker. Once again, the Party fragments, which, really It hasnit due to Walker and Jefferson acting quickly to avoid the fragmentation this time around

I tell our members that no, we won't make great gains In May, of course we won't. Internal fighting has divided us. Yet, what Is a positive Is that come May, we have quality not quantity and no, I don't Include myself In that. We do have some candidates In unsafe Wards that do actually stand as much chance of getting returned as the UKIP candidate. People who are known In that area and have already won local elections. We may just gain two seats In May and that's all we need to get us Into Westminster.

Our strategy Is long term. We agree that UKIP will crash and burn within 5 years and 2019 the electorate's view of UKIP will be very different.

This Is also Interesting....Although typical of the BBC, they've got their facts wrong. Paul Golding did not defect from the BNP. In Fact, how can he defect to something that didn't exist at the time? Derrrrrrr He was expelled from the Party along with Jim Dopwsen co-founder of BF after Mr Griffin alleged that Dowson and Golding's hench men tried running his family off the road.

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FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:51 pm

Once again a thread has reverted to a BNP Campaign Bus.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:56 pm

FourPart;1466109 wrote: Once again a thread has reverted to a BNP Campaign Bus.

How on earth can you have a debate on the General election In May If all Parties are not discussed?

More telling, why do you not make the same accusation to gmc for bringing the SNP Into It or even Bruv for bringing Plaid Cymru and Sein Fein Into the mix ?

Selective Posting ?

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:02 pm

Oscar Namechange;1466110 wrote: How on earth can you have a debate on the General election In May If all Parties are not discussed?

More telling, why do you not make the same accusation to gmc for bringing the SNP Into It or even Bruv for bringing Plaid Cymru and Sein Fein Into the mix ?

Selective Posting ?
Because the post regarding SNP was directly related to Nigel Farage & their objections to his appearing in the TV debate, and not them. The references to Plaid Cymru & Sinn Fein were directly related to that as reference to other leading parties of sections of the Union.

Your comments re BNP have been nothing but to glorify your own party.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:23 pm

FourPart;1466112 wrote: Because the post regarding SNP was directly related to Nigel Farage & their objections to his appearing in the TV debate, and not them. The references to Plaid Cymru & Sinn Fein were directly related to that as reference to other leading parties of sections of the Union.

Your comments re BNP have been nothing but to glorify your own party.
And you think the barring of a BNP Party Political Broadcast has nothing to do with gmc's post on how the SNP has been shunned by tv stations and media? Do try to keep up.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:43 am

Seems the SNP, BNP etc are not the only Party claiming a biased media Is at large.

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gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:22 am

Bruv;1466106 wrote: But seriously.......of course UKIP shouldn't get a place, they are a flash in the pan fronted by a nob.

But the question whether the regional parties should have a voice in the national run in to elections is far more important.

Plaid Cymru, Sein Fein and the SNP have no place to speak on National policies.........have they ?

What do you define as national policies? If we were not affected by those national policies you might have a point, Scotland is not a region of england but as separate nation that entered in to a union with england - if you recall the referendum vote was to stay in the union. That you as a presumably semi bright englishmen can't understand that that means we are still part of the union and entitled to a voice in national politics it basically sums up why we would have been better off voting yes for independence. When it came to the point when the westminster politicians thought a yes vote was likely they almost wet themselves in panic.

Plaid Cymru, Sein Fein and the SNP all have sitting mp's in westminster and each haS more mp's than ukip. You should know that. Quite frankly of you want to stop the tories privatising the NHS you had best hope that cameron does not get his way and exclude scots MP's from voting.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:44 am

The question really is where should they draw the line? While it is true that the Green Party have had an MP in the Commons for 4 years now, they are nowhere near as big a threat to the major parties as UKIP is right now. The same goes for the SNP. Yes, if it was a debate regarding Scottish issues, then the SNP would have to be invited, but I was always amazed at how the Greens ever got a seat in the first place - and, to be honest, I think they were as well.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:09 am

FourPart;1466135 wrote: The question really is where should they draw the line? While it is true that the Green Party have had an MP in the Commons for 4 years now, they are nowhere near as big a threat to the major parties as UKIP is right now. The same goes for the SNP. Yes, if it was a debate regarding Scottish issues, then the SNP would have to be invited, but I was always amazed at how the Greens ever got a seat in the first place - and, to be honest, I think they were as well.

I think you're missing the point, Sorry. Scotland Is part of the Union and part of the UK. Salmond has every right to debate National Issue's, not just Scottish one's you know.

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:00 pm

I don't think so. It's not only about National Issues which, incidentally, I agree. It's more about which are really the leading parties. Salmond claims that the SNP is the 4th largest in the UK. I totally disagree. I admit, I could be wrong, as I don't have the figures to hand, but where did the SNP come in the total votes cast in the UK (not the Referendum) at the Euro Elections? I doubt very much if it exceeded those of UKIP. In fact, when it comes to votes cast on a National (UK) level, it wouldn't surprise me if even the Greens beat them. Yes, in Scotland, they have a strong following, but this is a UK issue & those chosen to take part are the 4 leading parties. As previously mentioned, if you were to base it on Nationalist Issues, then Plaid Cymu & Sinn Fein would have just as equal a right to be included in the debate by exactly the same standards by being leading parties in their own regions of the Union.

As I said, a line has to be drawn otherwise every crank party would be claiming a right to appear.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 12:23 pm

FourPart;1466143 wrote: I don't think so. It's not only about National Issues which, incidentally, I agree. It's more about which are really the leading parties. Salmond claims that the SNP is the 4th largest in the UK. I totally disagree. I admit, I could be wrong, as I don't have the figures to hand, but where did the SNP come in the total votes cast in the UK (not the Referendum) at the Euro Elections? I doubt very much if it exceeded those of UKIP. In fact, when it comes to votes cast on a National (UK) level, it wouldn't surprise me if even the Greens beat them. Yes, in Scotland, they have a strong following, but this is a UK issue & those chosen to take part are the 4 leading parties. As previously mentioned, if you were to base it on Nationalist Issues, then Plaid Cymu & Sinn Fein would have just as equal a right to be included in the debate by exactly the same standards by being leading parties in their own regions of the Union.

As I said, a line has to be drawn otherwise every crank party would be claiming a right to appear. Why shouldn't Salmond debate on TV ? Do you have any Idea of how many Scottish MP's there are ?

Why should he not represent Scottish voters In what's happening In Westminster ?

4 leading Parties ? Are you having a laugh ?

Do you actually know how many SNP MP's and elected Councilor's there are In Westminster ?

As of 2014, the SNP is the largest political party in Scotland in terms of membership, MSPs and local councillors, with over 80,000 members, 65 MSPs and 424 councillors.[22][23][24] The SNP also currently holds 6 of 59 Scottish seats in the House of Commons of the United Kingdom. The party has 2 MEP's in the European Parliament,

Scottish National Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now you tell me how many UKIP MP's there are ?

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FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:20 pm

Oscar Namechange;1466145 wrote: Now you tell me how many UKIP MP's there are ?

Now you tell me how many SNP MEPs there are (a much more recent election).

How many votes did the SNP get in Clacton?

Are you saying that Plaid Cymru or Sinn Fein have more right to appear, because that is the basis for your argument.

The debate in question is based on the total number of votes that the parties have across the UK. It's obvious that votes cast in Scotland for the SNP are not going to be representative of the UK in general.

Validity of a party is not measured by paid up membership. Of course the membership & following of the SNP grew throughout the referendum. It couldn't fail to do otherwise. It will fall just as dramatically now that the referendum is over. There's a good possibility that they had more members than the No campaigners - but they still lost.

The point is that I, for one, have no interest in the policies of Scottish politics, nor have I any interest in the policies of Northern Irish politics or in Welsh politics & I imagine that is typical of the majority of the rest of the target audience quite simply because it isn't relevant to ME. The other parties ARE.

Mind you, I totally agree with you about the Liberals. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to see some of them even lose their deposits.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:47 pm

FourPart;1466152 wrote: Now you tell me how many SNP MEPs there are (a much more recent election).

How many votes did the SNP get in Clacton?

Are you saying that Plaid Cymru or Sinn Fein have more right to appear, because that is the basis for your argument.

The debate in question is based on the total number of votes that the parties have across the UK. It's obvious that votes cast in Scotland for the SNP are not going to be representative of the UK in general.

Validity of a party is not measured by paid up membership. Of course the membership & following of the SNP grew throughout the referendum. It couldn't fail to do otherwise. It will fall just as dramatically now that the referendum is over. There's a good possibility that they had more members than the No campaigners - but they still lost.

The point is that I, for one, have no interest in the policies of Scottish politics, nor have I any interest in the policies of Northern Irish politics or in Welsh politics & I imagine that is typical of the majority of the rest of the target audience quite simply because it isn't relevant to ME. The other parties ARE.

Mind you, I totally agree with you about the Liberals. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to see some of them even lose their deposits.

Sorry but what bit of Scotland Is part of the UK Union do you not get ?

You seem to be thinking of them as a separate entity.

That's a bit like saying the 40 odd Labour MP's In Scotland don't count.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:04 pm

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gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:11 pm

FourPart;1466135 wrote: The question really is where should they draw the line? While it is true that the Green Party have had an MP in the Commons for 4 years now, they are nowhere near as big a threat to the major parties as UKIP is right now. The same goes for the SNP. Yes, if it was a debate regarding Scottish issues, then the SNP would have to be invited, but I was always amazed at how the Greens ever got a seat in the first place - and, to be honest, I think they were as well.

Maybe they would be if they got as much free publicity as ukip are getting. It might actually be for the common good if issues such as fracking and nuclear power and weapons got talked about the way they should be. It might also do some good if the consequences of our peaving the eu were also debated in a sensible manner rather than farage being credence instead of having his "facts" actually challenged.

posted by fourpart

I don't think so. It's not only about National Issues which, incidentally, I agree. It's more about which are really the leading parties. Salmond claims that the SNP is the 4th largest in the UK. I totally disagree. I admit, I could be wrong, as I don't have the figures to hand, but where did the SNP come in the total votes cast in the UK (not the Referendum) at the Euro Elections? I doubt very much if it exceeded those of UKIP. In fact, when it comes to votes cast on a National (UK) level, it wouldn't surprise me if even the Greens beat them. Yes, in Scotland, they have a strong following, but this is a UK issue & those chosen to take part are the 4 leading parties. As previously mentioned, if you were to base it on Nationalist Issues, then Plaid Cymu & Sinn Fein would have just as equal a right to be included in the debate by exactly the same standards by being leading parties in their own regions of the Union.

You are wrong about salmond making claims - he is stating a fact - do you really think the scottish labour party would let him away with that if it was untrue. Why don't you go and look it up instead of assuming such statements are made just for amusement.

So you don't think constitutional changes are a national issue? UKIP want to take us out of the eu and force a referendum on the subject, you don't think that is a debate scotland and wales and northern have an interest and a say in?

posted by oscarnamechange

That's a bit like saying the 40 odd Labour MP's In Scotland don't count.

Nor can you it's 65.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:35 pm

gmc;1466163 wrote:

Nor can you it's 65. :yh_rotfl

Shuddup

FourPart · Post by **FourPart** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:40 pm

I was looking at the tables of actual votes cast in the 2010 General Election. Even the BNP came ahead of the SNP. Furthermore, the Monster Raving Loony Party got more than the Liberals (as opposed to Liberal Democrats), which I find rather amusing.

United Kingdom general election, 2010 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I also noticed that the SNP made similar objections to being excluded from the 2010 debate & had it thrown out of court.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:12 am

FourPart;1466172 wrote: I was looking at the tables of actual votes cast in the 2010 General Election. Even the BNP came ahead of the SNP. Furthermore, the Monster Raving Loony Party got more than the Liberals (as opposed to Liberal Democrats), which I find rather amusing.

United Kingdom general election, 2010 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I also noticed that the SNP made similar objections to being excluded from the 2010 debate & had it thrown out of court.

That was in 2010 look at the firgures now.

You seem to think ukip deserve to be taken seriously and given a place in the debate with only one mp. The snp has six and quite possibly will win a lot more at the next election.

I will ask yopu yet again as you seem to be dodging the question.

Do you think constitutional changes are a national issue? UKIP want to take us out of the eu and force a referendum on the subject, you don't think that is a debate scotland and wales and northern have an interest and a say in?

Since it is the snp that is forcing the pace on constitutional change to exlude them from the debate beggars belief. Nigel farage is a muppet fronting a lunatic right wing fringe party that is attracting a lot of protesrt votes. The danger is if the issues are not actually discussed properly we may actually have a yes vote in a referendum.

There was a referndum when we went in to the common market that at the time was instigated by those who opposed entry, much to their surprise the mainly wartime generation voters were actually in favour of it all rather than the right wing ultra patriotic numpties that now manifest themselves and are attracted to ukip. Farage seems to be hostile to nationaklist oarties unless it happens to be the one he runs.

Are you in fact a ukip supporter? If you are come out opf the closet and see if you can stand having the issues debated properly rather than just the constant regurgitation of incorrect facts and pathetic bl;eating we cab from farage.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:35 am

Farage was on some show the other night, one of many, and I was astonished when, after being caught out again, he came out with words to the effect of ' well we are a young Party so we don't have policies on everything yet'. In other words, should this Muppet get Into parliament, he'll make It up as he goes along.

Did you know that since 2009, Farage has been on QT 15 times ? Alex Salmond 4 times ? That old coffin Dodger Vince Cable Is another Dimbleby seems to fawn over.

Nigel Farage, you are a liar. I have the evidence to prove you are a liar. I could walk Into any National newspaper HQ's today and hand over evidence that you are a liar.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 1:57 pm

If tghey allow nigel farage then why not george galloway? The respect party also has one MP and give george his due he's a formidable debater.

Wouldn't be alex salmond now but nicola sturgeon.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:34 pm

gmc;1466213 wrote: If tghey allow nigel farage then why not george galloway? The respect party also has one MP and give george his due he's a formidable debater.

Wouldn't be alex salmond now but nicola sturgeon.
When QT did the special on Scottish Independence, they Invited Galloway not Salmond... It was Galloway's 9th appearance since 2009

Russel Brand 14 times to date.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:19 pm

Oscar Namechange;1466226 wrote: When QT did the special on Scottish Independence, they Invited Galloway not Salmond... It was Galloway's 9th appearance since 2009

Russel Brand 14 times to date.

Cameron also refused to debate the matter with alex salmond.

Never mind nicola sturgeon - the new leader of the snp is a force to be reckoned with.

Nicola Sturgeon and George Galloway clash over Scottish Independence, part 1 - YouTube

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:05 pm

gmc;1466254 wrote: Cameron also refused to debate the matter with alex salmond.

Never mind nicola sturgeon - the new leader of the snp is a force to be reckoned with.

Nicola Sturgeon and George Galloway clash over Scottish Independence, part 1 - YouTube I actually watched all of that video.... Love to see old Galloway getting boo'd.