Gerry Conlon, who was wrongly convicted of the 1974 Guildford IRA pub bombing, has died aged 60 after a long illness.
He was one of the Guildford Four, who spent 15 years in prison before their convictions were quashed in 1989.
Mr Conlon's family said his fight for justice had "forced the world's closed eyes to be opened to injustice".
BBC News - Guildford Four's Gerry Conlon dies
I am very saddened at the news of his death. The man never gave up to expose the Injustice dealt to him and his family.
If you haven't seen It, get the true story on film and see how the British government covered up this travesty of justice,,,, bastards
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Not to make too light of it, he was 'Picked on' because he was different.
After many years of Troubles and all the spilled blood, the Irish still keep their identity through generations, have their special day when we all join in.
What I am trying to say is..........what's so different from the ordinary Muslim in the street, other than the Irish blend in easier cosmetically.
After many years of Troubles and all the spilled blood, the Irish still keep their identity through generations, have their special day when we all join in.
What I am trying to say is..........what's so different from the ordinary Muslim in the street, other than the Irish blend in easier cosmetically.
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Oscar Namechange;1458087 wrote: Gerry Conlon, who was wrongly convicted of the 1974 Guildford IRA pub bombing, has died aged 60 after a long illness.
He was one of the Guildford Four, who spent 15 years in prison before their convictions were quashed in 1989.
Mr Conlon's family said his fight for justice had "forced the world's closed eyes to be opened to injustice".
BBC News - Guildford Four's Gerry Conlon dies
I am very saddened at the news of his death. The man never gave up to expose the Injustice dealt to him and his family.
If you haven't seen It, get the true story on film and see how the British government covered up this travesty of justice,,,, bastards
In The Name of the Father - Trailer - YouTube
So in this particular case the death penalty would have been a mistake? Can't have it both ways you can't argue in favour of the death penalty and then crow when an injustice is overturned that would not have been if they had been executed.
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What I am trying to say is..........what's so different from the ordinary Muslim in the street, other than the Irish blend in easier cosmetically.
Well it's been a long time since a pope has called for holy war and told anyone who kills an unbeliever they will go receive absolution and go straight to heaven no matter what other sins they may have commited. Nowadays most catholics would a pope doing that was of his head.
He was one of the Guildford Four, who spent 15 years in prison before their convictions were quashed in 1989.
Mr Conlon's family said his fight for justice had "forced the world's closed eyes to be opened to injustice".
BBC News - Guildford Four's Gerry Conlon dies
I am very saddened at the news of his death. The man never gave up to expose the Injustice dealt to him and his family.
If you haven't seen It, get the true story on film and see how the British government covered up this travesty of justice,,,, bastards
In The Name of the Father - Trailer - YouTube
So in this particular case the death penalty would have been a mistake? Can't have it both ways you can't argue in favour of the death penalty and then crow when an injustice is overturned that would not have been if they had been executed.
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What I am trying to say is..........what's so different from the ordinary Muslim in the street, other than the Irish blend in easier cosmetically.
Well it's been a long time since a pope has called for holy war and told anyone who kills an unbeliever they will go receive absolution and go straight to heaven no matter what other sins they may have commited. Nowadays most catholics would a pope doing that was of his head.
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gmc;1458096 wrote:
Well it's been a long time since a pope has called for holy war and told anyone who kills an unbeliever they will go receive absolution and go straight to heaven no matter what other sins they may have commited. Nowadays most catholics would a pope doing that was of his head.
My point was that in theory, an Irishman could set a bomb killing 100's of people, and be in the Pub tomorrow as one of the boys.
Meanwhile a muslim blows himself up in the middle east, so we are all a bit wary of the Mum dropping here kids off at nursery school because she wearing mildly different clothing.
Priests don't call for jihad, but they do grant absolution to that bomber mentioned earlier, which is as amazing a concept as jihad to anybody.
Well it's been a long time since a pope has called for holy war and told anyone who kills an unbeliever they will go receive absolution and go straight to heaven no matter what other sins they may have commited. Nowadays most catholics would a pope doing that was of his head.
My point was that in theory, an Irishman could set a bomb killing 100's of people, and be in the Pub tomorrow as one of the boys.
Meanwhile a muslim blows himself up in the middle east, so we are all a bit wary of the Mum dropping here kids off at nursery school because she wearing mildly different clothing.
Priests don't call for jihad, but they do grant absolution to that bomber mentioned earlier, which is as amazing a concept as jihad to anybody.
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gmc;1458096 wrote: So in this particular case the death penalty would have been a mistake? Can't have it both ways you can't argue in favour of the death penalty and then crow when an injustice is overturned that would not have been if they had been executed.
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I do support the death penalty In cases of absolute proof, ie DNA evidence. As I recall, there was no evidence In the case of Conlon and also the Maguire Seven. It was the amendment of the terrorism laws that saw them being held for a week Instead of the previous 48 hours and were subjected to torture, hence the confession which was very quickly retracted. They could not even find a shred of evidence that any of them had IRA links.
There was absolutely no evidence and If the death penalty was reinstated, In this day and age you would not be able to sentence anyone to death without something. This was almost 40 years ago remember. Forensics has advanced enough to be sure but In cases where there's a shred of doubt, then no.
It was a stitch up from day one. Gerry Conlon had an alibi all along. The prosecution had Interviewed that alibi and buried the evidence. The government knew they were Innocent and let them rot In prison because the British were baying for blood, anyone's blood, over Guildford.
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I do support the death penalty In cases of absolute proof, ie DNA evidence. As I recall, there was no evidence In the case of Conlon and also the Maguire Seven. It was the amendment of the terrorism laws that saw them being held for a week Instead of the previous 48 hours and were subjected to torture, hence the confession which was very quickly retracted. They could not even find a shred of evidence that any of them had IRA links.
There was absolutely no evidence and If the death penalty was reinstated, In this day and age you would not be able to sentence anyone to death without something. This was almost 40 years ago remember. Forensics has advanced enough to be sure but In cases where there's a shred of doubt, then no.
It was a stitch up from day one. Gerry Conlon had an alibi all along. The prosecution had Interviewed that alibi and buried the evidence. The government knew they were Innocent and let them rot In prison because the British were baying for blood, anyone's blood, over Guildford.
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Bruv;1458099 wrote:
Meanwhile a muslim blows himself up in the middle east, so we are all a bit wary of the Mum dropping here kids off at nursery school because she wearing mildly different clothing.
. Speak for yourself
Meanwhile a muslim blows himself up in the middle east, so we are all a bit wary of the Mum dropping here kids off at nursery school because she wearing mildly different clothing.
. Speak for yourself
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Bruv;1458090 wrote: Not to make too light of it, he was 'Picked on' because he was different.
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What, as In Irish ?
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What, as In Irish ?
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Oscar Namechange;1458118 wrote: Speak for yourself
That is all we can do.
That is all we can do.
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Oscar Namechange;1458119 wrote: What, as In Irish ?
You are quick today.......fitted the bill didn't he ?
Guantanamo bay is full of people who fit the bill.....................Just like the lady dropping her child off?
You are quick today.......fitted the bill didn't he ?
Guantanamo bay is full of people who fit the bill.....................Just like the lady dropping her child off?
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Bruv;1458127 wrote: You are quick today.......fitted the bill didn't he ?
How did he fit the bill ? He had no links whatsoever to the IRA when authorities had hundreds of possibles.
How did he fit the bill ? He had no links whatsoever to the IRA when authorities had hundreds of possibles.
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Oscar Namechange;1458129 wrote: How did he fit the bill ? He had no links whatsoever to the IRA when authorities had hundreds of possibles.
Your hard work sometimes !
Your hard work sometimes !
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Snowfire;1458130 wrote: Your hard work sometimes ! So you're saying police pulled a name out of a hat?
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Bruv;1458099 wrote: My point was that in theory, an Irishman could set a bomb killing 100's of people, and be in the Pub tomorrow as one of the boys.
Meanwhile a muslim blows himself up in the middle east, so we are all a bit wary of the Mum dropping here kids off at nursery school because she wearing mildly different clothing.
Priests don't call for jihad, but they do grant absolution to that bomber mentioned earlier, which is as amazing a concept as jihad to anybody.
Hate to tell you this but not all moslems come from pakistan or the middle east and have a dusky complexion. There are lot of blue eyed blond ones as well as many shades of complexions - some of those fighting in iraq are chechen - if you recall the ethnic cleansing in the balkans was aimed at mislems. Shave of the beards wear western clohing and no one would look twice. Irishmen tend to give themselves away as soon as they open their mouths.
What makes you think priests don't call for jihad?
Meanwhile a muslim blows himself up in the middle east, so we are all a bit wary of the Mum dropping here kids off at nursery school because she wearing mildly different clothing.
Priests don't call for jihad, but they do grant absolution to that bomber mentioned earlier, which is as amazing a concept as jihad to anybody.
Hate to tell you this but not all moslems come from pakistan or the middle east and have a dusky complexion. There are lot of blue eyed blond ones as well as many shades of complexions - some of those fighting in iraq are chechen - if you recall the ethnic cleansing in the balkans was aimed at mislems. Shave of the beards wear western clohing and no one would look twice. Irishmen tend to give themselves away as soon as they open their mouths.
What makes you think priests don't call for jihad?
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Oscar Namechange;1458132 wrote: So you're saying police pulled a name out of a hat?
There was a time in the 70's during the troubles that it was enough that you had an Irish accent or that you were acquainted to certain people or drank in a certain watering hole, to put you on a list, not that different to the profiling they do with suspects today.
The circumstances of the two eras are not too dissimilar in respect to suspicion, profiling, intelligence gathering and sometimes arrest
There was a time in the 70's during the troubles that it was enough that you had an Irish accent or that you were acquainted to certain people or drank in a certain watering hole, to put you on a list, not that different to the profiling they do with suspects today.
The circumstances of the two eras are not too dissimilar in respect to suspicion, profiling, intelligence gathering and sometimes arrest
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Oscar Namechange;1458132 wrote: So you're saying police pulled a name out of a hat?
I'm certain that thats not too far removed from what might have happened during the troubles with the amount of fear generated. Police and public alike, like to see headlines like " 6 Pub Bomb Suspects Arrested "
I'm certain that thats not too far removed from what might have happened during the troubles with the amount of fear generated. Police and public alike, like to see headlines like " 6 Pub Bomb Suspects Arrested "
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Snowfire;1458135 wrote: I'm certain that thats not too far removed from what might have happened during the troubles with the amount of fear generated. Police and public alike, like to see headlines like " 6 Pub Bomb Suspects Arrested "
That's not what happened. Gerry Conlon happened to be In London at the time of the bombing. So you're saying one Irish man In the UK returning home Immediately became the suspect among thousands of Irish men In England. When he was arrested, he gave his alibi. That alibi In London was found, Interviewed and stacked up completely ruling Conlon out. At that point, he should have been ruled out, profiling or no profiling. The authorities buried the witness to frame him.
His Father Giuseppe Conlon was In Ireland at the time of the bombing. He had no links to the IRA whatsoever. When he travelled to London to visit his son, he was also arrested and charged with conspiricy to murder. The truth was, police had nothing. The British government was putting pressure on the police for arrests and the rest Is history.
Have you watched the film or read Gerry Conlon's autobiography ? The real bomber later gave a full confession In prison when he was sent down on other terrorism charges. The authorities knew that.
That's not what happened. Gerry Conlon happened to be In London at the time of the bombing. So you're saying one Irish man In the UK returning home Immediately became the suspect among thousands of Irish men In England. When he was arrested, he gave his alibi. That alibi In London was found, Interviewed and stacked up completely ruling Conlon out. At that point, he should have been ruled out, profiling or no profiling. The authorities buried the witness to frame him.
His Father Giuseppe Conlon was In Ireland at the time of the bombing. He had no links to the IRA whatsoever. When he travelled to London to visit his son, he was also arrested and charged with conspiricy to murder. The truth was, police had nothing. The British government was putting pressure on the police for arrests and the rest Is history.
Have you watched the film or read Gerry Conlon's autobiography ? The real bomber later gave a full confession In prison when he was sent down on other terrorism charges. The authorities knew that.
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Oscar Namechange;1458136 wrote: That's not what happened. Gerry Conlon happened to be In London at the time of the bombing. So you're saying one Irish man In the UK returning home Immediately became the suspect among thousands of Irish men In England. When he was arrested, he gave his alibi. That alibi In London was found, Interviewed and stacked up completely ruling Conlon out. At that point, he should have been ruled out, profiling or no profiling. The authorities buried the witness to frame him.
His Father Giuseppe Conlon was In Ireland at the time of the bombing. He had no links to the IRA whatsoever. When he travelled to London to visit his son, he was also arrested and charged with conspiricy to murder. The truth was, police had nothing. The British government was putting pressure on the police for arrests and the rest Is history.
Have you watched the film or read Gerry Conlon's autobiography ? The real bomber later gave a full confession In prison when he was sent down on other terrorism charges. The authorities knew that.
Sheesh ! I'm talking generally not specifically as, I think Bruv was too.
Since the police had nothing on Gerry Conlon at the time, my general comment(s) stand up
His Father Giuseppe Conlon was In Ireland at the time of the bombing. He had no links to the IRA whatsoever. When he travelled to London to visit his son, he was also arrested and charged with conspiricy to murder. The truth was, police had nothing. The British government was putting pressure on the police for arrests and the rest Is history.
Have you watched the film or read Gerry Conlon's autobiography ? The real bomber later gave a full confession In prison when he was sent down on other terrorism charges. The authorities knew that.
Sheesh ! I'm talking generally not specifically as, I think Bruv was too.
Since the police had nothing on Gerry Conlon at the time, my general comment(s) stand up
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Snowfire;1458137 wrote: Sheesh ! I'm talking generally not specifically as, I think Bruv was too.
Since the police had nothing on Gerry Conlon at the time, my general comment(s) stand up And the point I'm making Is that there were other names In the hat at the time with links to the IRA. When Gerry Conlon's alibi stacked up, that's when they should have turned to the other suspects who's names were In the hat.... not tortured him to obtain a confession to appease the British government.
Since the police had nothing on Gerry Conlon at the time, my general comment(s) stand up And the point I'm making Is that there were other names In the hat at the time with links to the IRA. When Gerry Conlon's alibi stacked up, that's when they should have turned to the other suspects who's names were In the hat.... not tortured him to obtain a confession to appease the British government.
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Oscar Namechange;1458138 wrote: And the point I'm making Is that there were other names In the hat at the time with links to the IRA. When Gerry Conlon's alibi stacked up, that's when they should have turned to the other suspects who's names were In the hat.... not tortured him to obtain a confession to appease the British government.
But I'm not disagreeing with that. The whole period was of similar vain as far as suspects were concerned. It was common for the police to assume anyone with an Irish accent was guilty, if only by association.
Mine and I think Bruv's assertion is that a similar vein is running through current events
But I'm not disagreeing with that. The whole period was of similar vain as far as suspects were concerned. It was common for the police to assume anyone with an Irish accent was guilty, if only by association.
Mine and I think Bruv's assertion is that a similar vein is running through current events
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Snowfire;1458139 wrote: But I'm not disagreeing with that. The whole period was of similar vain as far as suspects were concerned. It was common for the police to assume anyone with an Irish accent was guilty, if only by association.
Mine and I think Bruv's assertion is that a similar vein is running through current events So are you saying that as a parallel, should a bomb go off In London today, the police arrest the first Muslim who walks along the street?
He was an easy target
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Mine and I think Bruv's assertion is that a similar vein is running through current events So are you saying that as a parallel, should a bomb go off In London today, the police arrest the first Muslim who walks along the street?
He was an easy target
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Oscar Namechange;1458140 wrote: So are you saying that as a parallel, should a bomb go off In London today, the police arrest the first Muslim who walks along the street?
I give up !!
I give up !!
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Snowfire;1458141 wrote: I give up !! Your saying Conlon fitted the profile ie Irish living In Belfast during the troubles... how Is that dissimilar to extremism and today's threat ?
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gmc;1458133 wrote: Hate to tell you this but not all moslems come from pakistan or the middle east and have a dusky complexion. There are lot of blue eyed blond ones as well as many shades of complexions - some of those fighting in iraq are chechen - if you recall the ethnic cleansing in the balkans was aimed at mislems. Shave of the beards wear western clohing and no one would look twice. Irishmen tend to give themselves away as soon as they open their mouths.
What makes you think priests don't call for jihad?
You are saying what I have been saying for ages, except most people aren't as perceptive as you and me.
The fact that someone happens to wear foriegn style clothes.........to some people makes them a public enemy, but the jolly Irishman fresh from confession following setting a bomb goes un-noticed in the High st.
I was talking of Catholic Priests not Muslim Imans.
What makes you think priests don't call for jihad?
You are saying what I have been saying for ages, except most people aren't as perceptive as you and me.
The fact that someone happens to wear foriegn style clothes.........to some people makes them a public enemy, but the jolly Irishman fresh from confession following setting a bomb goes un-noticed in the High st.
I was talking of Catholic Priests not Muslim Imans.
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Snowfire;1458139 wrote: Mine and I think Bruv's assertion is that a similar vein is running through current events
If you give up......I give up.........sometimes the subtleties are too subtle.
If you give up......I give up.........sometimes the subtleties are too subtle.
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oscar namechange;1458142 wrote: your saying conlon fitted the profile ie irish living in belfast during the troubles... How is that dissimilar to extremism and today's threat ?
its not !!!
its not !!!
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Bruv;1458143 wrote: You are saying what I have been saying for ages, except most people aren't as perceptive as you and me.
The fact that someone happens to wear foriegn style clothes.........to some people makes them a public enemy, but the jolly Irishman fresh from confession following setting a bomb goes un-noticed in the High st.
I was talking of Catholic Priests not Muslim Imans.
Do you mean foreign ?
The fact that someone happens to wear foriegn style clothes.........to some people makes them a public enemy, but the jolly Irishman fresh from confession following setting a bomb goes un-noticed in the High st.
I was talking of Catholic Priests not Muslim Imans.
Do you mean foreign ?
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Oscar Namechange;1458148 wrote: Do you mean foreign ?
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Bruv;1458150 wrote: I shall set the wee Scot on you if your not careful. He's not so wee
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