Longtitude Prize

[Bruv]

Heres one to set us all thinking, the Longtitude Prize is to be awarded to one of six advances.

The problems are .....

Antibiotics

Food

Flight

Dementia

Paralysis

Water

Learn more HERE HERE and HERE

[Snowfire]

I watched the Horizon programme.

There's a case for any of the problems, so its a dilemma.

[Bruv]

Snowfire;1455337 wrote: I watched the Horizon programme.

There's a case for any of the problems, so its a dilemma.


It is down to priorities, it has to be Food, Water or my choice Antibiotics, most people would benefit.

And if they don't find an answer to the antibiotic problem we are all in trouble.

[fuzzywuzzy]

Antibiotics - stop handing them out like lollies

Food - stop Monsanto's GMO manipulation of our food

Flight - already working on that. solar powered planes

Dementia - more health care providers and science

Paralysis - again already breakthroughs in america for quadrapledgics

Water - stop polluting the bloody thing.

there done ......next?

[Bruv]

fuzzywuzzy;1455349 wrote: Antibiotics - stop handing them out like lollies

Food - stop Monsanto's GMO manipulation of our food

Flight - already working on that. solar powered planes

Dementia - more health care providers and science

Paralysis - again already breakthroughs in america for quadrapledgics

Water - stop polluting the bloody thing.

there done ......next?


You can have a Lollipop

[fuzzywuzzy]

thank you ............but when do I get my nobel peace prize?

[Bruv]

fuzzywuzzy;1455351 wrote: thank you ............but when do I get my nobel peace prize?


The prize is £10 million

[fuzzywuzzy]

BUT I DONT WANT 10,000 Pounds!!!!!!! I WANT A SQUIGGLY TROPHY!!!!!!!! .............and i want it now goddamit!!!!! who's in charge here ...who's running this joint?

[LarsMac]

All six need addressing.

Once the solutions are presented, THEN would be the time to consider which solution wins the award.

[Bruv]

LarsMac;1455357 wrote: All six need addressing.

Once the solutions are presented, THEN would be the time to consider which solution wins the award.


I understood the prize might be used to advance whatever was chosen.

[LarsMac]

Bruv;1455361 wrote: I understood the prize might be used to advance whatever was chosen.


I went back to read it again. You understood mo' better than I did.

I am torn between food and water. Once those two basics are covered, the rest will have more people to work on them.

[Bruv]

LarsMac;1455368 wrote: I went back to read it again. You understood mo' better than I did.

I am torn between food and water. Once those two basics are covered, the rest will have more people to work on them.


If they don't sort out the over use and resistance to antibiotics we are all in trouble also.

[tude dog]

There is an abundance of food and water available. Problem is corrupt governments.

[LarsMac]

tude dog;1455375 wrote: There is an abundance of food and water available. Problem is corrupt governments.


Well, yeah, and the challenge is to make them available to everybody.

[fuzzywuzzy]

I think the problem is much much bigger than that . There are very influential people around the world who do not believe anymore that water and food are basic human rights ........basic substances for the survival of the species.......(hey don't shoot me I'm just he messenger.) There are huge organisations who's one sole aim is to control the food supply. GMO's, seed control etc etc. Then there are those who believe they should control the price of the one thing that is free.......water falling from the sky.....Now I know you're all thinking "but I have water bills" You do not pay for your water, you pay for the storage and supply of that water to your tap. Nothing can be achieved ....no matter the science, until you control the people who are out to control you, everything after that is useless.

[fuzzywuzzy]

tude dog;1455375 wrote: There is an abundance of food and water available. Problem is corrupt governments.


You say corrupt governments........I say Corrupt corporations controlling those governments

[tude dog]

LarsMac;1455376 wrote: Well, yeah, and the challenge is to make them available to everybody.


In this country, just walk into the welfare office. They'll instruct you on how to use your new fancy food card at any grocery store.

Make sure your kids go go school for that freebie.

Other countries policies vary.

[tude dog]

fuzzywuzzy;1455378 wrote: You say corrupt governments........I say Corrupt corporations controlling those governments


Like where? Just seems to me on this planet where we see mass starvation are places which would benefit of capitalist style corporations.

[Bruv]

tude dog;1455498 wrote: Like where? Just seems to me on this planet where we see mass starvation are places which would benefit of capitalist style corporations.


You should just for once in your life take a look from another perspective, as Hollywood might say "Walk a mile in their shoes"

[LarsMac]

tude dog;1455498 wrote: Like where? Just seems to me on this planet where we see mass starvation are places which would benefit of capitalist style corporations.


My, my, you HAVE lived a sheltered life, haven't you?

[tude dog]

Bruv;1455501 wrote: You should just for once in your life take a look from another perspective, as Hollywood might say "Walk a mile in their shoes"


???

Whose shoes? More importantly, where?

[tude dog]

LarsMac;1455502 wrote: My, my, you HAVE lived a sheltered life, haven't you?


Good post.:-3

[Bruv]

tude dog;1455516 wrote: ???

Whose shoes? More importantly, where?


I honestly can't be bothered, I have learned some people are too blind to see anything they choose not to.

Ignorance is ........bliss.

[tude dog]

Bruv;1455524 wrote: I honestly can't be bothered, I have learned some people are too blind to see anything they choose not to.

Ignorance is ........bliss.


LarsMac;1455502 wrote: My, my, you HAVE lived a sheltered life, haven't you?


This is great.

I love it.

Ad hominem

I'll just move on.

[LarsMac]

Nice bailout.

[tude dog]

LarsMac;1455553 wrote: Nice bailout.


I keep looking up, don't want you to fall on my head.

[Bruv]

tude dog;1455593 wrote: I keep looking up, don't want you to fall on my head.


I thought you said " I'll just move on"

Can't even get that right, can you ?

[tude dog]

Free food in America,

USDA's new tactic to promote food stamps: Party!

Forget Tupperware bashes and toga soirees -- the latest rage is food stamp parties.

The USDA is encouraging the nation's food stamp program to promote to the elderly using parties and games.

A series of guides currently posted on the USDA website promotes local offices of the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program -- or SNAP, but commonly referred to as food stamps -- to entice eligible seniors to enroll in the welfare program. The promotional campaign has cost between $2.5 million and $3 million.

“Throw a Great Party. Host social events where people mix and mingle,” the pamphlet encourages in one of the guides. “Make it fun by having activities, games, food, and entertainment, and provide information about SNAP. Putting SNAP information in a game format like BINGO, crossword puzzles, or even a ‘true/false’ quiz is fun and helps get your message across in a memorable way.”


food stamps: Party!

Money well spent, no doubt.

Let's see,



Food Stamp Statistics Data

Total annual cost of food stamp program $71,800,000,000

Number of Americans using the food stamp program 46,670,373

Percent of population on food stamp program 14 %

Year Total Number of People Receiving Food Stamps Average Monthly Benefit



2011 44,709,000 $133.85

2000 17,194,000 $76.62

1990 20,049,000 $58.78

1980 21,082,000 $34.47

1969 2,878,000 $6.63

State Food Stamp Participation Rate

1 Mississippi 20.8 %

2 Tennessee 19.9 %

2 Oregon 19.9 %

4 New Mexico 19.8 %

5 Michigan 19.5 %

6 Louisiana 19.3 %

7 Alabama 19.1 %

8 Kentucky 18.8 %

9 West Virginia 18.5 %

9 Maine 18.5 %

11 Georgia 18.1 %

12 South Carolina 18 %

13 Arkansas 16.5 %

14 Arizona 16.4 %

15 Florida 16.1 %

15 Oklahoma 16.1 %

17 Missouri 15.6 %

18 Texas 15.4 %

19 Washington 15.5 %

20 New York 15.4 %

21 Rhode Island 15.2 %

22 Delaware 14.7 %

23 Vermont 14.6 %

24 Idaho 14.3 %

25 Wisconsin 14 %

26 Illinois 13.9 %

26 Ohio 13.9 %

26 North Carolina 13.9 %

29 Pennsylvania 13.4 %

29 Indiana 13.4 %

31 South Dakota 12.4 %

31 Montana 12.4 %

33 Massachusetts 12.3 %

34 Nevada 12.1 %

34 Iowa 12.1 %

36 Alaska 11.9 %

37 Hawaii 11.5 %

38 Maryland 11.4 %

39 Virginia 10.5 %

39 Connecticut 10.5 %

41 Kansas 10.3 %

42 Utah 10 %

43 California 9.7 %

44 Nebraska 9.4 %

45 Minnesota 9.4 %

45 Colorado 8.8 %

47 North Dakota 8.7 %

48 New Jersey 8.6 %

49 New Hampshire 8.5 %

50 Wyoming 6.3 %

STATISTIC BRAIN

Meanwhile,

1M kids stop school lunch due to Michelle Obama’s food standards

The federal government’s changes to school lunch menus have been disastrous, causing problems for cafeterias trying to comply with the rules and leaving the menu so expensive or unpalatable that more than 1 million students have stopped buying lunch, according to a government audit released Thursday.

One school district told federal investigators that it had to add unhealthy pudding and potato chips to its menu to meet the government’s minimum calorie requirements. Other school districts removed peanut butter and jelly sandwiches from their elementary school menus.

Five of the eight school districts surveyed by the Government Accountability Office, the official watchdog for Congress, said they believed students were going hungry because of smaller entree portions demanded by the rules.

Cafeterias regularly reported finding fruits and vegetables, which they are required to serve, ending up in trash cans. Although no studies have been completed, the government has found an increase in what it calls plate waste in some districts.


Washington Times

Perhaps the trash can is the best place for the ever expanding government contributions to the ever expanding yoot of our nation.

[tude dog]

Free food in America,

USDA's new tactic to promote food stamps: Party!

Forget Tupperware bashes and toga soirees -- the latest rage is food stamp parties.

The USDA is encouraging the nation's food stamp program to promote to the elderly using parties and games.

A series of guides currently posted on the USDA website promotes local offices of the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program -- or SNAP, but commonly referred to as food stamps -- to entice eligible seniors to enroll in the welfare program. The promotional campaign has cost between $2.5 million and $3 million.

“Throw a Great Party. Host social events where people mix and mingle,” the pamphlet encourages in one of the guides. “Make it fun by having activities, games, food, and entertainment, and provide information about SNAP. Putting SNAP information in a game format like BINGO, crossword puzzles, or even a ‘true/false’ quiz is fun and helps get your message across in a memorable way.”


food stamps: Party!

Money well spent, no doubt.

Let's see,



Food Stamp Statistics Data

Total annual cost of food stamp program $71,800,000,000

Number of Americans using the food stamp program 46,670,373

Percent of population on food stamp program 14 %

Year Total Number of People Receiving Food Stamps Average Monthly Benefit



2011 44,709,000 $133.85

2000 17,194,000 $76.62

1990 20,049,000 $58.78

1980 21,082,000 $34.47

1969 2,878,000 $6.63

State Food Stamp Participation Rate

1 Mississippi 20.8 %

2 Tennessee 19.9 %

2 Oregon 19.9 %

4 New Mexico 19.8 %

5 Michigan 19.5 %

6 Louisiana 19.3 %

7 Alabama 19.1 %

8 Kentucky 18.8 %

9 West Virginia 18.5 %

9 Maine 18.5 %

11 Georgia 18.1 %

12 South Carolina 18 %

13 Arkansas 16.5 %

14 Arizona 16.4 %

15 Florida 16.1 %

15 Oklahoma 16.1 %

17 Missouri 15.6 %

18 Texas 15.4 %

19 Washington 15.5 %

20 New York 15.4 %

21 Rhode Island 15.2 %

22 Delaware 14.7 %

23 Vermont 14.6 %

24 Idaho 14.3 %

25 Wisconsin 14 %

26 Illinois 13.9 %

26 Ohio 13.9 %

26 North Carolina 13.9 %

29 Pennsylvania 13.4 %

29 Indiana 13.4 %

31 South Dakota 12.4 %

31 Montana 12.4 %

33 Massachusetts 12.3 %

34 Nevada 12.1 %

34 Iowa 12.1 %

36 Alaska 11.9 %

37 Hawaii 11.5 %

38 Maryland 11.4 %

39 Virginia 10.5 %

39 Connecticut 10.5 %

41 Kansas 10.3 %

42 Utah 10 %

43 California 9.7 %

44 Nebraska 9.4 %

45 Minnesota 9.4 %

45 Colorado 8.8 %

47 North Dakota 8.7 %

48 New Jersey 8.6 %

49 New Hampshire 8.5 %

50 Wyoming 6.3 %

STATISTIC BRAIN

Meanwhile,

1M kids stop school lunch due to Michelle Obama’s food standards

The federal government’s changes to school lunch menus have been disastrous, causing problems for cafeterias trying to comply with the rules and leaving the menu so expensive or unpalatable that more than 1 million students have stopped buying lunch, according to a government audit released Thursday.

One school district told federal investigators that it had to add unhealthy pudding and potato chips to its menu to meet the government’s minimum calorie requirements. Other school districts removed peanut butter and jelly sandwiches from their elementary school menus.

Five of the eight school districts surveyed by the Government Accountability Office, the official watchdog for Congress, said they believed students were going hungry because of smaller entree portions demanded by the rules.

Cafeterias regularly reported finding fruits and vegetables, which they are required to serve, ending up in trash cans. Although no studies have been completed, the government has found an increase in what it calls plate waste in some districts.


Washington Times

Perhaps the trash can is the best place for the ever expanding government contributions to the ever expanding yoot of our nation.

[Bruv]

Bugger me..........wasting all that good money on food for Americans......could have spent it on something of more value......like HERE ?

[LarsMac]

Very good. Nice work.

However, the project mentioned in the OP is a global effort, not limited to the US.

And, did you verify the claims in that link from FOX News?

Or did you just take their word for it?

(What? would FOX lie?)

(Does a bear Sht in the woods?)

[tude dog]

Bruv;1455606 wrote: Bugger me..........wasting all that good money on food for Americans......could have spent it on something of more value......like HERE ?


Back in the '40s we fought a two front war, without food stamps.

In fact we had ration cards,



lest you eat to much.

I dunno how many ways I could present to you how just how big our ever emompassing consumes.

Shouldn't matter to you.

[tude dog]

LarsMac;1455609 wrote: Very good. Nice work.

However, the project mentioned in the OP is a global effort, not limited to the US.

And, did you verify the claims in that link from FOX News?

Or did you just take their word for it?

(What? would FOX lie?)

(Does a bear Sht in the woods?)


My premise is in the US, we spend a lot of money to feed ourselves.

The rest of the world where there is not just hunger, but actual starvation. You pick and choose how they could be better served. I submit a capitalist system.

As far as the FOX report, it was from quite a while ago,

Party Like It’s 1937: Obama Administration Suggests Parties as a Way to Hook Seniors on Food Stamps

Back when Newt Gingrich was still running for President, he caught a lot of fire for referring to President Obama as the “food stamp President.” “The President can’t put people on food stamps,” the counter-argument ran, “more people just need them!”

This line of attack has now been exposed as being rather disingenuous. At the point when this administration puts out guides on how to encourage people to apply for food stamps, one feels safe in suggesting that perhaps they have started making the jump from simply helping people who need assistance to aggressively trying to get more people on food stamps. And in fact, that’s exactly what they do. A guide released jointly by the USDA and Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program (SNAP), which is the program that distributes food stamps, shows as much. In fact, the document even suggests using bingo parties as a means to get seniors hooked. Screencaps follow if you don’t believe us.

BLAZE



No shock the USDA hasn't continued what should have been seen as an embarrassing campaign.

The Right Mix for Reaching Seniors

[fuzzywuzzy]

tude dog;1455498 wrote: Like where? Just seems to me on this planet where we see mass starvation are places which would benefit of capitalist style corporations.


It depends my good friend on whether their is oil or coal under their feet. Much easier to do away with a population than feed them . But of course they will shove so called well meaning, hard working charity organisations in your face to give the illusion something is being done. But it is exactly that, an illusion.

GMO crops ring any bells? You can well control food when you produce plants that don't self seed under the guise of more efficient crops. Or a plant that kills off all the bees and insects so that no one else can grow normal crops.

[Bruv]

tude dog;1455614 wrote: Back in the '40s we fought a two front war, without food stamps.

In fact we had ration cards,




Thanks for that, I think it was you lot helped us out with food parcels way back then.

Did you have bombs blowing up your capital city too, and nightly bombings in most manufacturing centres ?

How many miles away were those frontlines ?

We had ration books too, and then when our men came home they set up a Social Security system and a Healthcare system to look after them and their families.......a land fit for heroes to return to.

[fuzzywuzzy]

tude dog;1455614 wrote: Back in the '40s we fought a two front war, without food stamps.



Shouldn't matter to you.


apparently nobody else did either of those two things . tude I'm quite happy to send you a few books if you'd like to catch up on EVERTHING else that happens or has happened around the world.

[tude dog]

Seems I touched a nerve with my comment we fought a two front war without food stamps but rather endured some sacrifice with ration cards. I realize we didn't win the war alone, and others suffered terribly.

My point is, from at least from 1969 till now, a period of relative prosperity our national dependence on food stamps has exploded.

Nanny State Government at its best/worst.

[Bruv]

Have you considered you haven't asked the right questions.......or worse you are dont know the questions to ask?

[LarsMac]

tude dog;1455614 wrote: Back in the '40s we fought a two front war, without food stamps.

In fact we had ration cards,



lest you eat to much.

I dunno how many ways I could present to you how just how big our ever emompassing consumes.

Shouldn't matter to you.


Back in those days, unless you lived in a major city, you were probably a farmer.

[LarsMac]

LarsMac;1455679 wrote: Back in those days, unless you lived in a major city, you were probably a farmer.


Besides, food stamps in America are really only vaguely relevant to the point of the thread. The US is less that 5% of the global population.

And the poverty line in the US is significantly higher that the average income of most of the third world nations.

So, yay. the average Walmart and fast food worker can easily keep themselves fed on the meager wages they earn, so that they can continue to work and earn those meager wages, while the rest of the world starves.

[tude dog]

LarsMac;1455680 wrote: Besides, food stamps in America are really only vaguely relevant to the point of the thread. The US is less that 5% of the global population.

And the poverty line in the US is significantly higher that the average income of most of the third world nations.


Yea, in a vague way I acknowledge that.

In this country, just walk into the welfare office. They'll instruct you on how to use your new fancy food card at any grocery store.

Make sure your kids go go school for that freebie.

Other countries policies vary.


Find a country with mass starvation and tell me there is not a corrupt government. Tell me such a country could not benefit in a free society which embraced principles of capitalism.

LarsMac;1455680 wrote: So, yay. the average Walmart and fast food worker can easily keep themselves fed on the meager wages they earn, so that they can continue to work and earn those meager wages, while the rest of the world starves.


Oh Gee, back to Walmart bashing.

What in this nation has fundamentally gone so wrong that some believe burger flippers and retail service people should be paid wages far beyond the worth of their labor?

These are jobs that me and my friends had in High School.

We all know minimum wage laws kills jobs and motivates employers to seek alternate ways to serve their customers.

[LarsMac]

tude dog;1455723 wrote: Yea, in a vague way I acknowledge that.



Find a country with mass starvation and tell me there is not a corrupt government. Tell me such a country could not benefit in a free society which embraced principles of capitalism.



Oh Gee, back to Walmart bashing.

What in this nation has fundamentally gone so wrong that some believe burger flippers and retail service people should be paid wages far beyond the worth of their labor?

These are jobs that me and my friends had in High School.

We all know minimum wage laws kills jobs and motivates employers to seek alternate ways to serve their customers.


You're right. Back away from the topic drift, I will.

There are many reasons why people in the world are hungry when the food production in the world is so high.

Control and distribution are the primary reason food does not get to those in need.

I will even concede that more democracy and capitalism would benefit most of those regions.

Water is, likewise bountiful in many regions, but there are areas where even with an abundance of water, clean, safe drinking and irrigation water is difficult to come by.

I offer that solving those two problems would go far in solving many of the other problems we humans must face. And solving the water problem would lead to some solutions to the food problem.

We - you and I - could make a start by simply stretching ourselves beyond our own boundaries, and skipping the political jibes at each other.

What do you think. Truce?

[Bruv]

Yes but what about the Longtitude Prize?

[LarsMac]

Bruv;1455737 wrote: Yes but what about the Longtitude Prize?


I think we might get back to that.

I voted for the Water project.

Not many Americans can vote, as it is limited to the within the UK.

I had to log into our companies office in London to vote.

[Týr]

Bruv;1455329 wrote: Heres one to set us all thinking, the Longtitude Prize is to be awarded to one of six advances.

The problems are .....

Antibiotics

Food

Flight

Dementia

Paralysis

Water


May I offer guaranteed solutions to four of the six problems, rather than selecting a single problem to be worked on?

Antibiotics. Reduce the world population by a factor of 10,000 and continue using antibiotics on humans as at present, while absolutely banning the use of antibiotics for any reason other than human health. The random opportunities for successful bacterial resistance mutations in humans will reduce by a corresponding ratio and the problem will be stretched out to one affecting bacterial resistance over a timescale of perhaps a half million years instead of fifty, insofar as antibiotic causes are concerned. Other factors play a far larger role over that timescale, which means that resistance due to the use of antibiotics will have been effectively eliminated at a stroke.

Food. Reduce the world population by a factor of 10,000 and educate the remaining population in rational eating habits. Enough food will then be available to all indefinitely without placing any further unsustainable strain on the planet's ecology.

Flight. Reduce the world population by a factor of 10,000 after which the use of planes burning fossil fuels will be available to all indefinitely without placing any further unsustainable strain on the planet's ecology.

Water. Reduce the world population by a factor of 10,000 after which water sufficient for a civilized life will be available to all indefinitely without placing any further unsustainable strain on the planet's ecology.

Solving Dementia and Paralysis require medical and engineering advances upon which I'm unqualified to speak.

[Bruv]

I have taken it on myself to edit your answer to fit with the actual content of the post.......

Týr;1455766 wrote: Solving Dementia, Paralysis, Antibiotic, Water, Food and Flight, require medical and engineering advances upon which I'm unqualified to speak.


As all your solutions are based on the need to "Reduce the world population by a factor of 10,000" .....................all I can say is How?

[Týr]

Bruv;1455767 wrote: As all your solutions are based on the need to "Reduce the world population by a factor of 10,000" .....................all I can say is How?


I have no interest at all in how. The answer to the problems listed is, on the other hand, blatant. The reason there's a problem relating to food, water, flight and antibiotics is the insanely high number of people this single planet has been called upon to support.

Before anyone frets over the numbers involved I note that the individuals left on the planet exceeds the count below which any other animal would be listed at even the least-worrying level of "endangered" by two whole orders of magnitude. The survival of homo sapiens is not risked by the proposed reduction. On the other hand, the survival of a large number of other species is risked if the reduction doesn't happen.

[LarsMac]

Týr;1455780 wrote: I have no interest at all in how. The answer to the problems listed is, on the other hand, blatant. The reason there's a problem relating to food, water, flight and antibiotics is the insanely high number of people this single planet has been called upon to support.

Before anyone frets over the numbers involved I note that the individuals left on the planet exceeds the count below which any other animal would be listed at even the least-worrying level of "endangered" by two whole orders of magnitude. The survival of homo sapiens is not risked by the proposed reduction. On the other hand, the survival of a large number of other species is risked if the reduction doesn't happen.


Actually, the "how" could be quite important, if your secondary goal is to preserve the populations of other species.

[Týr]

LarsMac;1455784 wrote: Actually, the "how" could be quite important, if your secondary goal is to preserve the populations of other species.


It hadn't crossed my mind that anyone would consider non-peaceful methods. The reduction requires consent and intelligent application.

If we work on a core principle that "Out of Africa" was a retrograde step as far as the interests of life in general are concerned, we might restrict our choice to those whose ancestors had the good sense to stay there in the first place. That may be tough on the descendants of those forcibly expatriated by European slavers, but tough is perhaps inevitable in this process. Either the remaining 100 million contenders can then provide enough volunteer rocket scientists, technologists and poets to keep civilization intact, or perhaps they might choose to train up a cadre of ongoers from birth.

I'm not hard and fast on any of these minor details, others may have suitable suggestions to offer.

[Bruv]

Týr;1455791 wrote: I'm not hard and fast on any of these minor details, others may have suitable suggestions to offer.


Did you want to mastermind the task or are you volunteering to be first in line?

What shall we call it.....culling......thinning......easing, there must be an acceptable term to put before the electorate, or else we wont get any takers.......or givers