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The reason i ask this question is because ive heard countless times people saying that ethnic minorities are deprived the learning tools to achieve good jobs and achieve great things in their lives. my daughter goes to a collage in london which has predominantly more asian and black students than white english students it was the same in my daughters primary school. im just trying to see where the figures all add up ..or dont .:-5
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Oops. I missed that you're in London, Pants. I can't address the British stats.
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Hey ACC sorry i dont always put things down the way thay sound in my head ..
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No apology necessary except from me. Still, ... small world, huh?
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pantsonfire321@aol.com wrote: The reason i ask this question is because ive heard countless times people saying that ethnic minorities are deprived the learning tools to achieve good jobs and achieve great things in their lives. my daughter goes to a collage in london which has predominantly more asian and black students than white english students it was the same in my daughters primary school. im just trying to see where the figures all add up ..or dont .:-5
Its not just you, its not just England ... same here or at least in the Chicago
and surrounding areas. My youngest is going to her father's Alma Mater which is still to this day considered one of the best Teacher's Colleges in the area and the state. She as a white female is in the minority as are the other white kids. The neighborhood is diverse but still predominately white. With rare exception the other students are there on all kinds of freebies while she and the white kids
pay their tuition each semester that goes up each semester. If you take a look
at the student handbook and the list of the groups and clubs for the students you will find one very big disparity ...there is nothing for the caucasian students other than the Computer club which tends to be predominately white. A group of white guys tried to form the "Young Republicans" club on campus and were beaten up
in daylight by the AA Club, the Socialist Club members who are Hispanics, the Communist Club members who were various non-white members etc, you get the drift. The Chicago media did not cover it (campus is in the heart of the north side of Chicago) other than the school newpaper which noted they asked for it as their type of club was not welcome on that campus and they should have known better.
The list goes on and on. She said she has made friends at school across the board between sexes, race, ethnic groups, gay, lesbian and she has a hard
time being predjudice/racist but every day there is someone or something that reminds her and others that they are white and its their position in life to "pay"...and she said its getting old very fast. One of the mandatory classes she had to take last semester was very racially biased against White America and when she and another white student questioned it they were told to shut up or drop the class "they" were not there to comment they were their to learn why they are hated. I asked why she didn't go higher up and complain and she rolled her eyes and looked at her dad who replied to me... remember, this is Chicago,
you're white your place is to pay and keep your mouth shut. I should have known better its the same attitude when it comes to our business there. The majority of the State Schools are like hers.. when I went downstate to college back in the early 70's to a state school it was not very different and that was over 30 years ago, if anything its worse now. Growing up and living in Chicago the first 28 years of my life I can tell you some whoppers of real events that were very racially motivated and against the white citizens not vice versa. But one has to remember, this is done for a reason which is based in political power bases and the people involved on the other groups side are usually the radicals not the mainstream citizens like the rest of us, they are used and in a quandry just like we are therefore I try to keep all that in perspective and just focus on the troublemakers and those that follow them, NOT the others who are victims of this as much as we are.
Here's something for you all to consider... my favorite politicans to hate are the Mayor of Chicago and our current Governor... they have a bill they are trying to get through the State House which would PAY the minority students in the city of
Chicago to attend their high school classes. ... yes, as in a paycheck issued by the state on taxpayers dollars to indivduals to Stay in School. Before you say.. well that will help more to get their education and graduate... NO .. it won't they will show up long enough to get paid and they will filter back out onto the streets and into their respective gangs.. the force behind it is the Chicago Teachers Union and Board of Ed... their grants and the rest of the perks are based on the
"per head" census of students taken at various times over the school year. The Teachers Union here and espeically in Chicago are one of the most powerful in the whole nation and what they want they usually get. It has nothing to do with careing about the kids and keeping them off the streets it has everything to do with putting more in their pockets, but their willing lapdog politicans tidy it up to sound like this great humanitarian project.
Bumblefark is still looking better by the day... I'm glad my kids are in their 20's
and the last one is finishing up college... I don't think I have the patience for this PC BS any longer.
Its not just you, its not just England ... same here or at least in the Chicago
and surrounding areas. My youngest is going to her father's Alma Mater which is still to this day considered one of the best Teacher's Colleges in the area and the state. She as a white female is in the minority as are the other white kids. The neighborhood is diverse but still predominately white. With rare exception the other students are there on all kinds of freebies while she and the white kids
pay their tuition each semester that goes up each semester. If you take a look
at the student handbook and the list of the groups and clubs for the students you will find one very big disparity ...there is nothing for the caucasian students other than the Computer club which tends to be predominately white. A group of white guys tried to form the "Young Republicans" club on campus and were beaten up
in daylight by the AA Club, the Socialist Club members who are Hispanics, the Communist Club members who were various non-white members etc, you get the drift. The Chicago media did not cover it (campus is in the heart of the north side of Chicago) other than the school newpaper which noted they asked for it as their type of club was not welcome on that campus and they should have known better.
The list goes on and on. She said she has made friends at school across the board between sexes, race, ethnic groups, gay, lesbian and she has a hard
time being predjudice/racist but every day there is someone or something that reminds her and others that they are white and its their position in life to "pay"...and she said its getting old very fast. One of the mandatory classes she had to take last semester was very racially biased against White America and when she and another white student questioned it they were told to shut up or drop the class "they" were not there to comment they were their to learn why they are hated. I asked why she didn't go higher up and complain and she rolled her eyes and looked at her dad who replied to me... remember, this is Chicago,
you're white your place is to pay and keep your mouth shut. I should have known better its the same attitude when it comes to our business there. The majority of the State Schools are like hers.. when I went downstate to college back in the early 70's to a state school it was not very different and that was over 30 years ago, if anything its worse now. Growing up and living in Chicago the first 28 years of my life I can tell you some whoppers of real events that were very racially motivated and against the white citizens not vice versa. But one has to remember, this is done for a reason which is based in political power bases and the people involved on the other groups side are usually the radicals not the mainstream citizens like the rest of us, they are used and in a quandry just like we are therefore I try to keep all that in perspective and just focus on the troublemakers and those that follow them, NOT the others who are victims of this as much as we are.
Here's something for you all to consider... my favorite politicans to hate are the Mayor of Chicago and our current Governor... they have a bill they are trying to get through the State House which would PAY the minority students in the city of
Chicago to attend their high school classes. ... yes, as in a paycheck issued by the state on taxpayers dollars to indivduals to Stay in School. Before you say.. well that will help more to get their education and graduate... NO .. it won't they will show up long enough to get paid and they will filter back out onto the streets and into their respective gangs.. the force behind it is the Chicago Teachers Union and Board of Ed... their grants and the rest of the perks are based on the
"per head" census of students taken at various times over the school year. The Teachers Union here and espeically in Chicago are one of the most powerful in the whole nation and what they want they usually get. It has nothing to do with careing about the kids and keeping them off the streets it has everything to do with putting more in their pockets, but their willing lapdog politicans tidy it up to sound like this great humanitarian project.
Bumblefark is still looking better by the day... I'm glad my kids are in their 20's
and the last one is finishing up college... I don't think I have the patience for this PC BS any longer.
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Would the programs you speak of be acceptable if they were focused on income rather than color? To read your posts, it seems everything is color-coded where you are. Sounds like your kids are on the brink of getting sucked into the same view. I encourage them to stand strong.
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Accountable wrote: Would the programs you speak of be acceptable if they were focused on income rather than color? To read your posts, it seems everything is color-coded where you are. Sounds like your kids are on the brink of getting sucked into the same view. I encourage them to stand strong.
THEY have color coded them, as you say.. NOT ME , not the students that don't participate in this or have intrest in it. Maybe you need to live in Chicago for 6 months and see that its much different than protrayed in the tourist guide books
once off MIchigan Avenue and the sterile tourist traps.. its a very big dog eat dog City and the rampant racism is everywhere and the biggest offenders are mostly those doing the whinning and crying "WHAT ABOUT ME, YOU OWE ME".... most of this is done for politics once again.. to keep the lifers in position by their pandering to the minorities for their votes by giving them preffered status and treatment.
I've had people tell me to my face because I'm white my turn, my chance whatever will be when hell freezes over... as I said earlier I know its not
the mainstream residents its the radical fraction of each group and the politicans
that keep this festering but it does get to a point of feeling they can all go to
hades and I could care less. We moved to the suburbs when my oldest started
kindergarten for a multitude of reasons. She is very bright but had horrible
problems in first grade with things I KNEW she knew... her teacher suggested
having her tested for learning disabilties, she was exhibiting signs of dyslexia, her father is severely dyslexic so its was possible (turned out she was also)... I went
to the special ed office and asked to speak to one of the counselors and told them why.. I was told to my face " ALL the minority kids and their families
come first and have preference when it comes to this type of thing.. put your name on this list and someone will call you in a year or two when there is an opening" I went to the principal to complain and was told the same thing and advised to get outside testing although it was costly it would not be done for me
via the PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM in COOK COUNTY ILLINOIS if I was white - I'd have to go on a wait list. So to the tune of $900 we had her tested and she was
severely dyslexic. I got a 2nd job, part time at the local hospital and I pulled the
girls out of the public school system and put them in the Catholic School a few
blocks away. My other job paid for their monthly tuition and their uniforms books etc. I was still required to pay the taxes that support the public schools although they did nothing for my kids and flat refused me services that I should have had
as a taxpayer and as someone in the district.
Come down to the inner city where our business is... come on a voting day and see the fun as it unwinds year after year after year.. See the big yellow school buses line up the main streets while the preceint captains and their minons go door to door getting people to come out and vote with a free ride to the polling place on the City School Buses at the taxpayers expense.. with a free box lunch on their seat and a nice new $5 bill taped to the bottom of it... at the taxpayers expense Funny they don't do this on the city outskirts where most of the people are retired people who could use a free ride and a free lunch and $5... but then again those people will not VOTE how they are told to either they vote how they want to vote !
There's a joke about Chicago and its voting history.. its one of the few places that
funny or not, in reality... people vote and they vote OFTEN, as in more than once
on the same day... the DEAD come out to vote and usually OFTEN on the same day and people that cannot speak or read the language and are not even registered to vote are so patriotic that they also vote and vote often... I would think after all these years Richie Daley could be a tad more original when he pads the vote to make sure he and who he wants wins ...
My kids could very easily get sucked into this if we as their parents did't get in their faces and tell them - judge people by who they are as individuals not by the stereotypes which are splattered on the TV screen each night... think of the people that are your friends from school and why and remember there are many many more like them and their families out there. You can dislike the people that use and abuse a system, you can dislike the unbalanced way the politicans play this, you can dislike people just because you do.. but don't hate, nothing positive comes out of it. If you can't change it and its impossible to live with then go elsewhere where you find it more to your liking, but don't hate a whole group of
people becuase a portion of that group are JERKS times TWO. Luckily in their early 20's both of them seem to be fair about most things and people the majority of the time.
The greatest oxymoron of this all is of the 11 neighbors I have... all of us transplanted Chicagoans... all but 3 of us are rank and file ultra liberal Daley Democrats... The far left is suppose to be the champion of the miniorites.. and these neighbors are all card carrying members of that Chicago Far left.. yet not a day goes by when the men aren't out on the cul du sac chatting when the "7" are not whinning and crabbing about some minority they want to see wiped off the face of the planet and the N word and a few others for other groups are flying left and right along with their creative thoughts of how to get rid of them.. which I presonally find disgusting on all counts.. and in the next breath they will start in on their republican bashing and how they have no pity for the poor minorities.. its usually at that point my husband excuses himself for a phone call to a client and
comes in the door shaking his head remarking "they're at it again"... it will be a cold day in hell when someone can get me to move back into Chicago .. and that probably would be with a gun to my head screaming and kicking the whole way..
Its bumblefark.. middle of no where north woods and that crappy little town of 500.. is looking better all the time... around haere its is controlled chaos at its best and its going to erupt and be really nasty some day in the near future and I don't want to be near it or part of it - best to leave it to those that have created it and kept it festering.. let them enjoy what they have created and cultivated.
Need to get little dog to the vet for her glucose tests to see if we have her at the correct insulin lever (yet !!!)... cya all later..
THEY have color coded them, as you say.. NOT ME , not the students that don't participate in this or have intrest in it. Maybe you need to live in Chicago for 6 months and see that its much different than protrayed in the tourist guide books
once off MIchigan Avenue and the sterile tourist traps.. its a very big dog eat dog City and the rampant racism is everywhere and the biggest offenders are mostly those doing the whinning and crying "WHAT ABOUT ME, YOU OWE ME".... most of this is done for politics once again.. to keep the lifers in position by their pandering to the minorities for their votes by giving them preffered status and treatment.
I've had people tell me to my face because I'm white my turn, my chance whatever will be when hell freezes over... as I said earlier I know its not
the mainstream residents its the radical fraction of each group and the politicans
that keep this festering but it does get to a point of feeling they can all go to
hades and I could care less. We moved to the suburbs when my oldest started
kindergarten for a multitude of reasons. She is very bright but had horrible
problems in first grade with things I KNEW she knew... her teacher suggested
having her tested for learning disabilties, she was exhibiting signs of dyslexia, her father is severely dyslexic so its was possible (turned out she was also)... I went
to the special ed office and asked to speak to one of the counselors and told them why.. I was told to my face " ALL the minority kids and their families
come first and have preference when it comes to this type of thing.. put your name on this list and someone will call you in a year or two when there is an opening" I went to the principal to complain and was told the same thing and advised to get outside testing although it was costly it would not be done for me
via the PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM in COOK COUNTY ILLINOIS if I was white - I'd have to go on a wait list. So to the tune of $900 we had her tested and she was
severely dyslexic. I got a 2nd job, part time at the local hospital and I pulled the
girls out of the public school system and put them in the Catholic School a few
blocks away. My other job paid for their monthly tuition and their uniforms books etc. I was still required to pay the taxes that support the public schools although they did nothing for my kids and flat refused me services that I should have had
as a taxpayer and as someone in the district.
Come down to the inner city where our business is... come on a voting day and see the fun as it unwinds year after year after year.. See the big yellow school buses line up the main streets while the preceint captains and their minons go door to door getting people to come out and vote with a free ride to the polling place on the City School Buses at the taxpayers expense.. with a free box lunch on their seat and a nice new $5 bill taped to the bottom of it... at the taxpayers expense Funny they don't do this on the city outskirts where most of the people are retired people who could use a free ride and a free lunch and $5... but then again those people will not VOTE how they are told to either they vote how they want to vote !
There's a joke about Chicago and its voting history.. its one of the few places that
funny or not, in reality... people vote and they vote OFTEN, as in more than once
on the same day... the DEAD come out to vote and usually OFTEN on the same day and people that cannot speak or read the language and are not even registered to vote are so patriotic that they also vote and vote often... I would think after all these years Richie Daley could be a tad more original when he pads the vote to make sure he and who he wants wins ...
My kids could very easily get sucked into this if we as their parents did't get in their faces and tell them - judge people by who they are as individuals not by the stereotypes which are splattered on the TV screen each night... think of the people that are your friends from school and why and remember there are many many more like them and their families out there. You can dislike the people that use and abuse a system, you can dislike the unbalanced way the politicans play this, you can dislike people just because you do.. but don't hate, nothing positive comes out of it. If you can't change it and its impossible to live with then go elsewhere where you find it more to your liking, but don't hate a whole group of
people becuase a portion of that group are JERKS times TWO. Luckily in their early 20's both of them seem to be fair about most things and people the majority of the time.
The greatest oxymoron of this all is of the 11 neighbors I have... all of us transplanted Chicagoans... all but 3 of us are rank and file ultra liberal Daley Democrats... The far left is suppose to be the champion of the miniorites.. and these neighbors are all card carrying members of that Chicago Far left.. yet not a day goes by when the men aren't out on the cul du sac chatting when the "7" are not whinning and crabbing about some minority they want to see wiped off the face of the planet and the N word and a few others for other groups are flying left and right along with their creative thoughts of how to get rid of them.. which I presonally find disgusting on all counts.. and in the next breath they will start in on their republican bashing and how they have no pity for the poor minorities.. its usually at that point my husband excuses himself for a phone call to a client and
comes in the door shaking his head remarking "they're at it again"... it will be a cold day in hell when someone can get me to move back into Chicago .. and that probably would be with a gun to my head screaming and kicking the whole way..
Its bumblefark.. middle of no where north woods and that crappy little town of 500.. is looking better all the time... around haere its is controlled chaos at its best and its going to erupt and be really nasty some day in the near future and I don't want to be near it or part of it - best to leave it to those that have created it and kept it festering.. let them enjoy what they have created and cultivated.
Need to get little dog to the vet for her glucose tests to see if we have her at the correct insulin lever (yet !!!)... cya all later..
The difference between Congress as envisoned by the Founding Fathers and the Congress we have today is one of them inspires patriots to support it, and the other inspires patriots to buy extra ammo (Angel Shamaya)
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Xxena wrote: [...]My kids could very easily get sucked into this if we as their parents did't get in their faces and tell them - judge people by who they are as individuals not by the stereotypes which are splattered on the TV screen each night... think of the people that are your friends from school and why and remember there are many many more like them and their families out there. You can dislike the people that use and abuse a system, you can dislike the unbalanced way the politicans play this, you can dislike people just because you do.. but don't hate, nothing positive comes out of it. If you can't change it and its impossible to live with then go elsewhere where you find it more to your liking, but don't hate a whole group of people becuase a portion of that group are JERKS times TWO. Luckily in their early 20's both of them seem to be fair about most things and people the majority of the time.[...]
Good job! :yh_clap This is how our society will improve: one well-raised kid at a time.
Good job! :yh_clap This is how our society will improve: one well-raised kid at a time.
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pantsonfire321@aol.com wrote: Question - if the black and asian community are underachieving and not getting the same help and opportunites as white people why is my child one of only THREE english white kids in her collage class.
I sub in a rural town. It is 70% Hispanic, 25% Native American, and 5% Anglo. I am a white woman and I get a whole lot of **** from these kids. You want to talk about racism!! I was born in 1955 when women were supposed to get married and have children - I didn't. Now, in my retirement, I sub for a whole class of HS students. The names I have been called by the Hispanics is incredible. The Native Americans treat me with teacher's respect. The white kids are a mixed bunch - some of them are OK and some of them very disrespectful. OK - I only get hell from 4% of the students. SOOOO - tell me about racism
I sub in a rural town. It is 70% Hispanic, 25% Native American, and 5% Anglo. I am a white woman and I get a whole lot of **** from these kids. You want to talk about racism!! I was born in 1955 when women were supposed to get married and have children - I didn't. Now, in my retirement, I sub for a whole class of HS students. The names I have been called by the Hispanics is incredible. The Native Americans treat me with teacher's respect. The white kids are a mixed bunch - some of them are OK and some of them very disrespectful. OK - I only get hell from 4% of the students. SOOOO - tell me about racism
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There is no doubt racism exists everywhere, against who is always the variable.
The problem is the media and the politicans want everyone around the world to believe that it is ONLY against minorities which is NOT true except if a group is
a minority in a specific given area then by human nature as the smallest group t hey are usually singled out.
Point in case look at Iraq - here you have Iraqi's, Muslims but you have very distinct groups based on class warfare... the Sunni's who were the minority were in power along with Saddam because of him. NOw that he's out the Sunni's are still the minority but are only now treated as such and they don't like it and are fighting back.. not for respect but to gain control and power they once had and used against the Shites, Kurds and other groups.
It seems if you start dissecting racism that is what it boils down to at its rawest form, CONTREOL, and then it grows tentacles and takes off in many directions with all kinds of attacks and repercussions on the people that are caught in it. The Caste System in India which they claim is ancient and does not exist still does and its a form of racism within a like group of people. Ask anyone at the bottom in India and they will tell you the racisim against their lower class is STILL very much alive.
To think that it does not exist somewhere and can be wiped out via laws and polical correctness is silly... you have humans you have racism, it seems to be
a very integral, although nasty, part of human nature and used by the ruling elitest of any/all groups. Its really the bully mentality on steriods !
The problem is the media and the politicans want everyone around the world to believe that it is ONLY against minorities which is NOT true except if a group is
a minority in a specific given area then by human nature as the smallest group t hey are usually singled out.
Point in case look at Iraq - here you have Iraqi's, Muslims but you have very distinct groups based on class warfare... the Sunni's who were the minority were in power along with Saddam because of him. NOw that he's out the Sunni's are still the minority but are only now treated as such and they don't like it and are fighting back.. not for respect but to gain control and power they once had and used against the Shites, Kurds and other groups.
It seems if you start dissecting racism that is what it boils down to at its rawest form, CONTREOL, and then it grows tentacles and takes off in many directions with all kinds of attacks and repercussions on the people that are caught in it. The Caste System in India which they claim is ancient and does not exist still does and its a form of racism within a like group of people. Ask anyone at the bottom in India and they will tell you the racisim against their lower class is STILL very much alive.
To think that it does not exist somewhere and can be wiped out via laws and polical correctness is silly... you have humans you have racism, it seems to be
a very integral, although nasty, part of human nature and used by the ruling elitest of any/all groups. Its really the bully mentality on steriods !
The difference between Congress as envisoned by the Founding Fathers and the Congress we have today is one of them inspires patriots to support it, and the other inspires patriots to buy extra ammo (Angel Shamaya)
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There is no doubt racism exists everywhere, against who is always the variable.
The problem is the media and the politicans want everyone around the world to believe that it is ONLY against minorities which is NOT true except if a group is
a minority in a specific given area then by human nature as the smallest group t hey are usually singled out.
Point in case look at Iraq - here you have Iraqi's, Muslims but you have very distinct groups based on class warfare... the Sunni's who were the minority were in power along with Saddam because of him. NOw that he's out the Sunni's are still the minority but are only now treated as such and they don't like it and are fighting back.. not for respect but to gain control and power they once had and used against the Shites, Kurds and other groups.
It seems if you start dissecting racism that is what it boils down to at its rawest form, CONTROL, and then it grows tentacles and takes off in many directions with all kinds of attacks and repercussions on the people that are caught in it. The Caste System in India which they claim is ancient and does not exist still does and its a form of racism within a like group of people. Ask anyone at the bottom in India and they will tell you the racisim against their lower class is STILL very much alive.
To think that it does not exist somewhere and can be wiped out via laws and polical correctness is silly... you have humans you have racism, it seems to be
a very integral, although nasty, part of human nature and used by the ruling elitest of any/all groups. Its really the bully mentality on steriods !
The problem is the media and the politicans want everyone around the world to believe that it is ONLY against minorities which is NOT true except if a group is
a minority in a specific given area then by human nature as the smallest group t hey are usually singled out.
Point in case look at Iraq - here you have Iraqi's, Muslims but you have very distinct groups based on class warfare... the Sunni's who were the minority were in power along with Saddam because of him. NOw that he's out the Sunni's are still the minority but are only now treated as such and they don't like it and are fighting back.. not for respect but to gain control and power they once had and used against the Shites, Kurds and other groups.
It seems if you start dissecting racism that is what it boils down to at its rawest form, CONTROL, and then it grows tentacles and takes off in many directions with all kinds of attacks and repercussions on the people that are caught in it. The Caste System in India which they claim is ancient and does not exist still does and its a form of racism within a like group of people. Ask anyone at the bottom in India and they will tell you the racisim against their lower class is STILL very much alive.
To think that it does not exist somewhere and can be wiped out via laws and polical correctness is silly... you have humans you have racism, it seems to be
a very integral, although nasty, part of human nature and used by the ruling elitest of any/all groups. Its really the bully mentality on steriods !
The difference between Congress as envisoned by the Founding Fathers and the Congress we have today is one of them inspires patriots to support it, and the other inspires patriots to buy extra ammo (Angel Shamaya)
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Am I being obtuse to think racism - hate by a group for another group based on color & physical traits - can be eradicated? I don't think so. Sure, poverty will exist, jealousy will exist, even hate will exist. But to allow the government policies to continue legitimizing such an arbitrary categorization only helps to set the stain into the fabric of our culture.
That includes using racism and bigotry interchangeably. They are not interchangeable terms. Racism is a specific, highly poisonous form of bigotry. A form I believe worthy of the struggle to eradicate it.
That includes using racism and bigotry interchangeably. They are not interchangeable terms. Racism is a specific, highly poisonous form of bigotry. A form I believe worthy of the struggle to eradicate it.
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Acc, I think most reasonable people would like to see and end to it like
yourself, myself and the people posting on this topic since none of us think
it has any place in the world and its extremely counterproductive to all, however,
human nature being what it is, you are never going to rid the species of it without some type of hightech thought control or drugs. There is always going to be someone or some group that for whatever insane reason that only makes sense to them, will find another group to hate and keep this snowball rolling.
To even "think" that you will get government to be an aide in ridding it is pure fantasy since they are the ones that keep the fires burning. Government by its nature is corrupt and consumed with the continual need for more power and control. We are so far from what our founding fathers envisoned for this country we are at a point of coming back full circle to where we started 200 plus years ago. The people that make the laws that keep this going don't give a rat's butt what you or I think.. all they care about is doing what's needed to stay in office and giving lip service to the voters prior to elections to ensure their position. Have you ever noticed that when you come across a true champion of the people and their rights and best interest at the state and DC levels that the vast majority
of them get out after one term and wonder why ... because they refuse to sell their souls to the demon that keeps them in those nice positions. What you see on paper that these reps and senators make does not sound like much, but its
the perks on the side that makes it a very very juicy position to get and keep. When was the last time you head of someone running for office that was NOT a multi millionaire or billionaire. The days of the "people" like the lot of us here being able to attain those positions is long gone..
yourself, myself and the people posting on this topic since none of us think
it has any place in the world and its extremely counterproductive to all, however,
human nature being what it is, you are never going to rid the species of it without some type of hightech thought control or drugs. There is always going to be someone or some group that for whatever insane reason that only makes sense to them, will find another group to hate and keep this snowball rolling.
To even "think" that you will get government to be an aide in ridding it is pure fantasy since they are the ones that keep the fires burning. Government by its nature is corrupt and consumed with the continual need for more power and control. We are so far from what our founding fathers envisoned for this country we are at a point of coming back full circle to where we started 200 plus years ago. The people that make the laws that keep this going don't give a rat's butt what you or I think.. all they care about is doing what's needed to stay in office and giving lip service to the voters prior to elections to ensure their position. Have you ever noticed that when you come across a true champion of the people and their rights and best interest at the state and DC levels that the vast majority
of them get out after one term and wonder why ... because they refuse to sell their souls to the demon that keeps them in those nice positions. What you see on paper that these reps and senators make does not sound like much, but its
the perks on the side that makes it a very very juicy position to get and keep. When was the last time you head of someone running for office that was NOT a multi millionaire or billionaire. The days of the "people" like the lot of us here being able to attain those positions is long gone..
The difference between Congress as envisoned by the Founding Fathers and the Congress we have today is one of them inspires patriots to support it, and the other inspires patriots to buy extra ammo (Angel Shamaya)
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I choose to follow the example of the boy throwing starfish back into the ocean one by one. At least I helped this one.
I help one. You help one. Those two help one each. Pretty soon we have our own shampoo commercial.
Think about which helps more: to work toward a fantastic goal, or to complain about those who work against it.
I help one. You help one. Those two help one each. Pretty soon we have our own shampoo commercial.
Think about which helps more: to work toward a fantastic goal, or to complain about those who work against it.
Racism
i feel like telling a little story here, appropos of nothing, but i had the strangest thing happen one Christmas Eve night three years ago, i was working the night shift so people with little ones could be at home, and it was a peaceful night. i had a new guy assigned to be stuck to me all night, he was new as a deputy, but retired from navy, not a kid. well out of NOWHERE he said to me the following....when was the first time you beat up a black person? did you have a black maid while growing up? did you ever go out with a black man?....on and on in the same vein for hours! i was horrified. i knew this was grounds for firing at the very least. now remember, i had never met him before.. to say i was stunned was an understatement. after a couple more incidents with this guy i finally wrote him up. only time i ever wrote a fellow officer up. but i started hearing he was behaving the same with several other white female admin civilians who were scared to death now. a full IA investigation ensued. if i had made those comments in reverse i would have rightfully been out on my arse. we did not see anything but the color of our uniforms when we looked at each other. my LT asked me why i thought he was doing this...i said well if you want the truth he's lining up a civil rights lawsuit, hoping someone would answer his provocative questions in an unacceptable way. even though the questions were unacceptable and inflammatory. this has nothing to do with racism in general, but i never forgot that guy. and i was correct about his game. 
his game was racism.
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Accountable wrote: Think about which helps more: to work toward a fantastic goal, or to complain about those who work against it.
I just read this again. :-2 Sounds like my halo's on too tight.
Of course the best option is to do both.
I just read this again. :-2 Sounds like my halo's on too tight.
Of course the best option is to do both.
Racism
Accountable wrote: I just read this again. :-2 Sounds like my halo's on too tight.
Of course the best option is to do both.
There's nothing wrong with you at all.. other than you are the eternal optimist and you live in a world of pessimists
As we say in the gun rights world and message boards.. you my friend are preaching to the choir... I have
no argument with what you say or your ideals on all of this.. but as a former
ONE TERM politican that realized soon enough my soul was NOT worth what they were asking and giving... we are the minority ! And that is a fact of life we must learn to live with and do just what we can speck by speck for the sanity of mankind.
LC .. glad to see you jumping in ... more reason is needed from someone with your time in LE where you've seen more than your share just like me in the EMS field !
I need to deviate here in another post and take this from Racism to Predjuice .. excuse the misspelling but after 10 hours of work my brain is usually mush by this time ... but I thought this would be good for discussion since we've got enough people here to read and contribute...
Of course the best option is to do both.
There's nothing wrong with you at all.. other than you are the eternal optimist and you live in a world of pessimists
As we say in the gun rights world and message boards.. you my friend are preaching to the choir... I haveno argument with what you say or your ideals on all of this.. but as a former
ONE TERM politican that realized soon enough my soul was NOT worth what they were asking and giving... we are the minority ! And that is a fact of life we must learn to live with and do just what we can speck by speck for the sanity of mankind.
LC .. glad to see you jumping in ... more reason is needed from someone with your time in LE where you've seen more than your share just like me in the EMS field !
I need to deviate here in another post and take this from Racism to Predjuice .. excuse the misspelling but after 10 hours of work my brain is usually mush by this time ... but I thought this would be good for discussion since we've got enough people here to read and contribute...
The difference between Congress as envisoned by the Founding Fathers and the Congress we have today is one of them inspires patriots to support it, and the other inspires patriots to buy extra ammo (Angel Shamaya)
Racism
AS you might have noted I rarely if ever go into the city of Chicago and work AT our factory there.. I tend to stay out here and work from my office at home.. today I got an odd phone call from hubby saying he had a "vistor" at the factory that I needed to talk to.. I had NO clue what was about to come down...
Rewind back a few years... we had a young man come to us for work that was laid off in the downsizing of our competiton... quite talented in his field, with a very winning personality for the work he did with clients, lots of hidden talent but an immaturity that was about as frustrating as could be. Young I mean early 30's to our 50's... I used to talk to him and treat him like one of my kids or their friends..
Long to short.. my husband told him time and time again his days as the "road rock musican" were over.. he needed to get his head into reality and work out a plan for his future and get over the Party Life he was used to as it was a go nowhere scene and cited many of his (husbands) former friends that thought in their 30's it would never end and it did in each and every case very abruptely and
violently.. as in DEAD...
Fast forward.. about 18 months later after hiring him.. we are having mega problems with him and his bad attendance and total lack of work ethic.. Husband warns him repeately that once more and he's out... he cleans up his act for a few weeks and we're right back to it.. utlmately he's fired although he never showed up to be told he was fired... fast forward few more months to November 2004..
I get a phone call from husband saying to me... you online.. OK type in this website and tell me what you find... I do it and sit there with my mouth hanging open and tell him.. he tells me 'check into it and see if its for real and let me know".. so I do..
The website was done by the wife of the former employees long time best friend.. explaining about the horrible accident he was in that left him a parapalegic.. he was lucky he didn't die when I found out what really happened. He had called hubby from his hospital room needing a solid person to talk to that would talk to him as an adult and be honest with him.. not his party animal friends he ran with... hubby comes home that night and says.. is it for real or another one of his scams..
NO I reply its for real, very real.. I talked to him and one of the nurses at length.. he will never walk again or have the use of his body from the waist down. He laid in that culvert off the tollway too long before being rescued by then the spinal injury was past the point of no return....
Over the next year he called me, I called him and then things went silent... he was in the back of my mind for some odd reason... week or so ago I was thinking about him and went to the website to see if there were any updates.. last I had heard from his friend's wife since I did call her and talk to her at legnth.. was he was extremly ill with a bladder adn urinary tract infection and was back in the hospital and going into shallow coma's from it... the website was noted as closed with no further info... I felt horrible my thought were he had passed on due to the complication down the line of the injury and he died. I thought how awful.. other than his buddy and wife I bet no one was at his funeral for him.. his dad deserted him as a baby.. his mother died suddenly the year he worked for us.. his brother had mental problems.. he literally really had no one... what a horrid way to die.. the number for his buddy had been changed so I just let it go...
Then today I get this call from husband with the mystery client at the shop who turns out to be non other than "our former employee"... was an intersting call
to say the least ... it took going to hell and back on his part and a failed suicide when it finally sunk in he'd never walk again to make him realize life is very precious and he needed to get his act together and grow the hell up and live it to its fullest for whatever time he had left... I found it a rather enlightening conversation to hear the strength in his voice.. not of physical strength but of mind and soul and his quest to put all that behind him and move forward...
My husband has been morose all night since he got home from work.. finally hours later he opened up... they had called the number for the "handicapped taxi service" to take employee and his wheelchair back to his assisted living apartment.. they never showed up.. NOT SAFE in that area of the city after 4PM...they were told.. I thought .. what happens to independent disabled people down there when they need a taxi after 4PM....
so hubby had a few of the guys in the back.. who were still reeling from his "rolling into the factory" and saying hi to everyone... help him load him into hubby's truck and then fold down his wheelchair and put it in the back.. hubby drove him down into the city to the assisted living hotel he now resides in...
They pulled up in front where all the "state employees" were standing that are suppose to assist these people as they come and go from school, work etc... they stood there smoking their cigarettes and talking and did NOTHING when they saw
hubby take the wheelchair out of his truck.. they did nothing as they say hubby
open up the wheelchair so someone could sit in it.. they turned their backs as they say hubby at 57 years old tell our ex employee to wrap his arms aound his neck and hold on tight as he lifted him out and put him into his chair as softly as he could... they never even bothered to OPEN the handicapped doors to the hotel entrance as hubby walked with him as he wheeled himself to the entry door to go in and go to his 8 x 10 foot room he now calls "home"....
I've encountered it more times than I can count years back when I was still working actively on the ambulance... I know what the system is like and how it functions... hubby went to bed and will have a hangover tomorrow trying to deaden the pain of man's inhumanity to fellow man that truly is in need of someone's assisantce by those PAID to do it... its not racism... but is sure is
one hell of a form of predijuce towards the handicapped and I hope to hell when I drive down in a few weeks to visit him alone and access him.. I don't see this happen cuz I will make sure all hell breaks loose and these morons lose their cushy political jobs ! I don't mind my tax dollars paying to help these handicapped people but I do mind it paying the paychecks of cold hearted lazy jerks like this ...
thoughts ???? sorry for the typos and misspellings but I can't find my computer glasses again..
Rewind back a few years... we had a young man come to us for work that was laid off in the downsizing of our competiton... quite talented in his field, with a very winning personality for the work he did with clients, lots of hidden talent but an immaturity that was about as frustrating as could be. Young I mean early 30's to our 50's... I used to talk to him and treat him like one of my kids or their friends..
Long to short.. my husband told him time and time again his days as the "road rock musican" were over.. he needed to get his head into reality and work out a plan for his future and get over the Party Life he was used to as it was a go nowhere scene and cited many of his (husbands) former friends that thought in their 30's it would never end and it did in each and every case very abruptely and
violently.. as in DEAD...
Fast forward.. about 18 months later after hiring him.. we are having mega problems with him and his bad attendance and total lack of work ethic.. Husband warns him repeately that once more and he's out... he cleans up his act for a few weeks and we're right back to it.. utlmately he's fired although he never showed up to be told he was fired... fast forward few more months to November 2004..
I get a phone call from husband saying to me... you online.. OK type in this website and tell me what you find... I do it and sit there with my mouth hanging open and tell him.. he tells me 'check into it and see if its for real and let me know".. so I do..
The website was done by the wife of the former employees long time best friend.. explaining about the horrible accident he was in that left him a parapalegic.. he was lucky he didn't die when I found out what really happened. He had called hubby from his hospital room needing a solid person to talk to that would talk to him as an adult and be honest with him.. not his party animal friends he ran with... hubby comes home that night and says.. is it for real or another one of his scams..
NO I reply its for real, very real.. I talked to him and one of the nurses at length.. he will never walk again or have the use of his body from the waist down. He laid in that culvert off the tollway too long before being rescued by then the spinal injury was past the point of no return....
Over the next year he called me, I called him and then things went silent... he was in the back of my mind for some odd reason... week or so ago I was thinking about him and went to the website to see if there were any updates.. last I had heard from his friend's wife since I did call her and talk to her at legnth.. was he was extremly ill with a bladder adn urinary tract infection and was back in the hospital and going into shallow coma's from it... the website was noted as closed with no further info... I felt horrible my thought were he had passed on due to the complication down the line of the injury and he died. I thought how awful.. other than his buddy and wife I bet no one was at his funeral for him.. his dad deserted him as a baby.. his mother died suddenly the year he worked for us.. his brother had mental problems.. he literally really had no one... what a horrid way to die.. the number for his buddy had been changed so I just let it go...
Then today I get this call from husband with the mystery client at the shop who turns out to be non other than "our former employee"... was an intersting call
to say the least ... it took going to hell and back on his part and a failed suicide when it finally sunk in he'd never walk again to make him realize life is very precious and he needed to get his act together and grow the hell up and live it to its fullest for whatever time he had left... I found it a rather enlightening conversation to hear the strength in his voice.. not of physical strength but of mind and soul and his quest to put all that behind him and move forward...
My husband has been morose all night since he got home from work.. finally hours later he opened up... they had called the number for the "handicapped taxi service" to take employee and his wheelchair back to his assisted living apartment.. they never showed up.. NOT SAFE in that area of the city after 4PM...they were told.. I thought .. what happens to independent disabled people down there when they need a taxi after 4PM....
so hubby had a few of the guys in the back.. who were still reeling from his "rolling into the factory" and saying hi to everyone... help him load him into hubby's truck and then fold down his wheelchair and put it in the back.. hubby drove him down into the city to the assisted living hotel he now resides in...
They pulled up in front where all the "state employees" were standing that are suppose to assist these people as they come and go from school, work etc... they stood there smoking their cigarettes and talking and did NOTHING when they saw
hubby take the wheelchair out of his truck.. they did nothing as they say hubby
open up the wheelchair so someone could sit in it.. they turned their backs as they say hubby at 57 years old tell our ex employee to wrap his arms aound his neck and hold on tight as he lifted him out and put him into his chair as softly as he could... they never even bothered to OPEN the handicapped doors to the hotel entrance as hubby walked with him as he wheeled himself to the entry door to go in and go to his 8 x 10 foot room he now calls "home"....
I've encountered it more times than I can count years back when I was still working actively on the ambulance... I know what the system is like and how it functions... hubby went to bed and will have a hangover tomorrow trying to deaden the pain of man's inhumanity to fellow man that truly is in need of someone's assisantce by those PAID to do it... its not racism... but is sure is
one hell of a form of predijuce towards the handicapped and I hope to hell when I drive down in a few weeks to visit him alone and access him.. I don't see this happen cuz I will make sure all hell breaks loose and these morons lose their cushy political jobs ! I don't mind my tax dollars paying to help these handicapped people but I do mind it paying the paychecks of cold hearted lazy jerks like this ...
thoughts ???? sorry for the typos and misspellings but I can't find my computer glasses again..
The difference between Congress as envisoned by the Founding Fathers and the Congress we have today is one of them inspires patriots to support it, and the other inspires patriots to buy extra ammo (Angel Shamaya)