The number of teenage pregnancies in England and Wales has continued to drop, latest figures show.
What is behind this drop do you think?
At first I thought the percentage had dropped, due to a higher rates of births overall, but it appears the actual numbers have dropped.
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Bruv;1449002 wrote: The number of teenage pregnancies in England and Wales has continued to drop, latest figures show.
What is behind this drop do you think?
At first I thought the percentage had dropped, due to a higher rates of births overall, but it appears the actual numbers have dropped.
Education?
What is behind this drop do you think?
At first I thought the percentage had dropped, due to a higher rates of births overall, but it appears the actual numbers have dropped.
Education?
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Bryn Mawr;1449042 wrote: Education?
Why now?
Has education altered at some time and I didn't notice?
Why now?
Has education altered at some time and I didn't notice?
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I feel a combination of factors. Education, developments In contraception and availability of contraception and changes to housing and welfare that make It now difficult for teenage Mums to go to the front of the queue.
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Bruv;1449044 wrote: Why now?
Has education altered at some time and I didn't notice?
They've seen what it did to the lives of their big sisters, aunts, mothers, friends ...
Has education altered at some time and I didn't notice?
They've seen what it did to the lives of their big sisters, aunts, mothers, friends ...
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Bryn Mawr;1449050 wrote: They've seen what it did to the lives of their big sisters, aunts, mothers, friends ...
OK I will buy that, much more persuasive than Oscar's party line.
OK I will buy that, much more persuasive than Oscar's party line.
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Bruv;1449053 wrote: OK I will buy that, much more persuasive than Oscar's party line. I think another factor Is the changes to the morning after pill.
Over the counter availability.
Over the counter availability.
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Teen pregnancies have dropped here as well:
"The 2012 teen birth rate indicates a decline of six percent from 2011 when the birth rate was 31.3 per 1,000."
Trends in Teen Pregnancy and Childbearing - The Office of Adolescent Health
Some people credit the MTV show 16 And Pregnant:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/13/busin ... .html?_r=0
Study: '16 and Pregnant,' 'Teen Mom' led to fewer teen births - CNN.com
"The 2012 teen birth rate indicates a decline of six percent from 2011 when the birth rate was 31.3 per 1,000."
Trends in Teen Pregnancy and Childbearing - The Office of Adolescent Health
Some people credit the MTV show 16 And Pregnant:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/13/busin ... .html?_r=0
Study: '16 and Pregnant,' 'Teen Mom' led to fewer teen births - CNN.com
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Bryn Mawr;1449050 wrote: They've seen what it did to the lives of their big sisters, aunts, mothers, friends ...
Did what exactly to their lives?
Are you suggesting that anyone having a baby before the age of 20 has their life ruined?
Did what exactly to their lives?
Are you suggesting that anyone having a baby before the age of 20 has their life ruined?
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oscar;1449066 wrote: Did what exactly to their lives?
Are you suggesting that anyone having a baby before the age of 20 has their life ruined?
Not ruined. But for many, harder.
Are you suggesting that anyone having a baby before the age of 20 has their life ruined?
Not ruined. But for many, harder.
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oscar;1449066 wrote: Did what exactly to their lives?
Are you suggesting that anyone having a baby before the age of 20 has their life ruined?
2+2= 5 ?
I was a young unmarried father.............................it dramatically altered my life....altered......not ruined......altered outside of my control from that time forward.
Are you suggesting that anyone having a baby before the age of 20 has their life ruined?
2+2= 5 ?
I was a young unmarried father.............................it dramatically altered my life....altered......not ruined......altered outside of my control from that time forward.
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How young were you, Bruv?
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oscar;1449066 wrote: Did what exactly to their lives?
Are you suggesting that anyone having a baby before the age of 20 has their life ruined?
No, I'm suggesting that a fair proportion of "teen pregnancies" involve single mums, almost always involve mums who are not in secure employment (where they are guaranteed to be able to return to their job after the birth of their child) and, even where the father is still involved, not financially secure.
That's not stereotyping, it's statistical probability.
In those circumstances becoming pregnant makes life a lot more difficult and a lot less fun - not ruined, just harder.
Having seen the problems caused, the next generation might well decide not to go down that route.
Are you suggesting that anyone having a baby before the age of 20 has their life ruined?
No, I'm suggesting that a fair proportion of "teen pregnancies" involve single mums, almost always involve mums who are not in secure employment (where they are guaranteed to be able to return to their job after the birth of their child) and, even where the father is still involved, not financially secure.
That's not stereotyping, it's statistical probability.
In those circumstances becoming pregnant makes life a lot more difficult and a lot less fun - not ruined, just harder.
Having seen the problems caused, the next generation might well decide not to go down that route.
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AnneBoleyn;1449093 wrote: How young were you, Bruv?
Oh dear now I have to bare all?
OK quickly then.
My girlfriend was pregnant, my Father said "I hope you will do the right thing boy"
My Mother said " You are not marrying just because she's pregnant"
I virtually moved in with her.
So over the next few months it was decided that if that was the way things were, we might as well marry.
I was 18 years old on the 17th we married on the 19th.....................it lasted near on 25 years.
Oh dear now I have to bare all?
OK quickly then.
My girlfriend was pregnant, my Father said "I hope you will do the right thing boy"
My Mother said " You are not marrying just because she's pregnant"
I virtually moved in with her.
So over the next few months it was decided that if that was the way things were, we might as well marry.
I was 18 years old on the 17th we married on the 19th.....................it lasted near on 25 years.
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Bruv;1449076 wrote: 2+2= 5 ?
I was a young unmarried father.............................it dramatically altered my life....altered......not ruined......altered outside of my control from that time forward. Yes, altered or changed.
What's that got to do with It.
My brothers wife due to uterus surgery was unable to conceive. They lived decades without using contraception because the possibility was out of the question. Without rhyme nor reason at the age of 47, she fell pregnant. My brother was 50 years old. Suddenly, his life was altered and changed dramatically.
My point being, every single persons life changes when they have a baby and nothing Is ever the same wether they are 15 or 50 years old. My brother propably found It far tougher adapting than a teenager would.
My question to Bryn Is why he thinks a teenager seeing sisters, aunts etc be deterred from getting pregnant? But thanks for answering for him.
I was a young unmarried father.............................it dramatically altered my life....altered......not ruined......altered outside of my control from that time forward. Yes, altered or changed.
What's that got to do with It.
My brothers wife due to uterus surgery was unable to conceive. They lived decades without using contraception because the possibility was out of the question. Without rhyme nor reason at the age of 47, she fell pregnant. My brother was 50 years old. Suddenly, his life was altered and changed dramatically.
My point being, every single persons life changes when they have a baby and nothing Is ever the same wether they are 15 or 50 years old. My brother propably found It far tougher adapting than a teenager would.
My question to Bryn Is why he thinks a teenager seeing sisters, aunts etc be deterred from getting pregnant? But thanks for answering for him.
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oscar;1449100 wrote: Yes, altered or changed.
What's that got to do with It.
My brothers wife due to uterus surgery was unable to conceive. They lived decades without using contraception because the possibility was out of the question. Without rhyme nor reason at the age of 47, she fell pregnant. My brother was 50 years old. Suddenly, his life was altered and changed dramatically.
My point being, every single persons life changes when they have a baby and nothing Is ever the same wether they are 15 or 50 years old. My brother propably found It far tougher adapting than a teenager would.
My question to Bryn Is why he thinks a teenager seeing sisters, aunts etc be deterred from getting pregnant? But thanks for answering for him.
See post #13
What's that got to do with It.
My brothers wife due to uterus surgery was unable to conceive. They lived decades without using contraception because the possibility was out of the question. Without rhyme nor reason at the age of 47, she fell pregnant. My brother was 50 years old. Suddenly, his life was altered and changed dramatically.
My point being, every single persons life changes when they have a baby and nothing Is ever the same wether they are 15 or 50 years old. My brother propably found It far tougher adapting than a teenager would.
My question to Bryn Is why he thinks a teenager seeing sisters, aunts etc be deterred from getting pregnant? But thanks for answering for him.
See post #13
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Bryn Mawr;1449096 wrote: No, I'm suggesting that a fair proportion of "teen pregnancies" involve single mums, almost always involve mums who are not in secure employment (where they are guaranteed to be able to return to their job after the birth of their child) and, even where the father is still involved, not financially secure.
That's not stereotyping, it's statistical probability.
In those circumstances becoming pregnant makes life a lot more difficult and a lot less fun - not ruined, just harder.
Having seen the problems caused, the next generation might well decide not to go down that route. Less than 2 % of single parents are teenagers.
It Is pure assumption to suggest other wise.
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I disagree about life being harder. We are not living pre or post war. In this day and age, there Is more In the way of support networks and Incentives for young Mums than we've ever historically had. Despite welfare reform, a teenager Is financially and socially catered for along with help so they can continue higher education to secure employment In the future. A lot has changed over the years and teenage Mums get a lot of help especially where there Is no family support to help them.
That's not stereotyping, it's statistical probability.
In those circumstances becoming pregnant makes life a lot more difficult and a lot less fun - not ruined, just harder.
Having seen the problems caused, the next generation might well decide not to go down that route. Less than 2 % of single parents are teenagers.
It Is pure assumption to suggest other wise.
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I disagree about life being harder. We are not living pre or post war. In this day and age, there Is more In the way of support networks and Incentives for young Mums than we've ever historically had. Despite welfare reform, a teenager Is financially and socially catered for along with help so they can continue higher education to secure employment In the future. A lot has changed over the years and teenage Mums get a lot of help especially where there Is no family support to help them.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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oscar;1449102 wrote: Less than 2 % of single parents are teenagers.
It Is pure assumption to suggest other wise.
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I disagree about life being harder. We are not living pre or post war. In this day and age, there Is more In the way of support networks and Incentives for young Mums than we've ever historically had. Despite welfare reform, a teenager Is financially and socially catered for along with help so they can continue higher education to secure employment In the future. A lot has changed over the years and teenage Mums get a lot of help especially where there Is no family support to help them.
Stop twisting what I said.
I suggested that a fair proportion of teenage pregnancies were to single mums - I said nothing about the percentage of single mums who are teenagers.
If you discuss what I said, rather than what would make your argument easier if I had said it, then we'd have more basis for a discussion.
It Is pure assumption to suggest other wise.
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I disagree about life being harder. We are not living pre or post war. In this day and age, there Is more In the way of support networks and Incentives for young Mums than we've ever historically had. Despite welfare reform, a teenager Is financially and socially catered for along with help so they can continue higher education to secure employment In the future. A lot has changed over the years and teenage Mums get a lot of help especially where there Is no family support to help them.
Stop twisting what I said.
I suggested that a fair proportion of teenage pregnancies were to single mums - I said nothing about the percentage of single mums who are teenagers.
If you discuss what I said, rather than what would make your argument easier if I had said it, then we'd have more basis for a discussion.
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Bryn Mawr;1449104 wrote: Stop twisting what I said.
I suggested that a fair proportion of teenage pregnancies were to single mums - I said nothing about the percentage of single mums who are teenagers.
If you discuss what I said, rather than what would make your argument easier if I had said it, then we'd have more basis for a discussion.
Oh come on Bryn... less than 2 % of single parents being teenagers Is not a ' fair proportion' as you suggested.
I have to be honest and admit that I was surprised at how low the percentage was. I tried to give you a link that would would show statistics.
I suggested that a fair proportion of teenage pregnancies were to single mums - I said nothing about the percentage of single mums who are teenagers.
If you discuss what I said, rather than what would make your argument easier if I had said it, then we'd have more basis for a discussion.
Oh come on Bryn... less than 2 % of single parents being teenagers Is not a ' fair proportion' as you suggested.
I have to be honest and admit that I was surprised at how low the percentage was. I tried to give you a link that would would show statistics.
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oscar;1449106 wrote: Oh come on Bryn... less than 2 % of single parents being teenagers Is not a ' fair proportion' as you suggested.
I have to be honest and admit that I was surprised at how low the percentage was. I tried to give you a link that would would show statistics.
If you cannot see the difference between "a fair proportion of teenage pregnancies were to single mums" and "less than 2 % of single parents are teenagers" then logic is not your strong point.
Take, as an example, a count of 100,000 single parents in the country. If 1,800 of them are teenagers then your statement is correct - less than 2% of single parents are teenagers (1.8%).
If the total count of teen pregnancies is, say, 2,500 then I would suggest that is a "fair proportion" of teen pregnancies are single mums (72%).
They are totally different measures and to try to disprove one by proving the other is ludicrous.
I have to be honest and admit that I was surprised at how low the percentage was. I tried to give you a link that would would show statistics.
If you cannot see the difference between "a fair proportion of teenage pregnancies were to single mums" and "less than 2 % of single parents are teenagers" then logic is not your strong point.
Take, as an example, a count of 100,000 single parents in the country. If 1,800 of them are teenagers then your statement is correct - less than 2% of single parents are teenagers (1.8%).
If the total count of teen pregnancies is, say, 2,500 then I would suggest that is a "fair proportion" of teen pregnancies are single mums (72%).
They are totally different measures and to try to disprove one by proving the other is ludicrous.
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oscar;1449100 wrote:
My question to Bryn Is why he thinks a teenager seeing sisters, aunts etc be deterred from getting pregnant? But thanks for answering for him.
You have answered all your own questions already.
Better education availability of contraception...............except now they are eventually using the facilities, that have been available for many years incidently .......because they have seen that if you choose not to use contraception, it robs them of choice in their future.....................just like their sisters, aunts,ect.
My question to Bryn Is why he thinks a teenager seeing sisters, aunts etc be deterred from getting pregnant? But thanks for answering for him.
You have answered all your own questions already.
Better education availability of contraception...............except now they are eventually using the facilities, that have been available for many years incidently .......because they have seen that if you choose not to use contraception, it robs them of choice in their future.....................just like their sisters, aunts,ect.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth