Mickiel;1446007 wrote: Is God important to your family backround and heritage?
What is our human family heritage? Are we from the liniage of speechless apes? Are we the result of a magical rock appearing and magical chemicals coming out from under that rock produced us? You think you came from an ape or out from under a rock? You see, this is how God is being systematically made unreal to you; confused knowledge that has confused humans into giving out confused origins of our human family.
Its a walk on the darkside; human confusion going wild.
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Is God Real?
If you would walk into the darkside, then you must accept that it influences you, even to the point of convincing you that your in the light, instead of its darkness. It has a very nice grip; and it can make that grip feel revealing and refreshing to you. The darkside wants you convinced that your life, your consciousness, your very designed magnificent being, has its origins in things far, far less than you are! And that God is not real. It wants you to believe that your origins, your root family heritage, is in some giant extreme explosion that happened in space trillions of years ago; and from that miracle blast, the very ingredients of your heritage was some how in that lucky destructive burst from nowhere.
It then developed into gases; then evolved into chemicals, which then shared their evolution with miracle self creating matter. Over the trillions of years this" stuff" grew skin; then bones, then it found water somewhere and got into it. Then it took its time and one day came alive and eventually walked out of the water when it grew legs.
You know the rest of story; an incredible story that has been well developed and crafted by the darkness; its a sway away from your true identity. Its a seduction; a leading away from the truth, but giving you a replacement placebo.
Giving you a secondary pacifier to calm your fears and feed your doubt.
Alluring;
something the darkness is expert at.
It then developed into gases; then evolved into chemicals, which then shared their evolution with miracle self creating matter. Over the trillions of years this" stuff" grew skin; then bones, then it found water somewhere and got into it. Then it took its time and one day came alive and eventually walked out of the water when it grew legs.
You know the rest of story; an incredible story that has been well developed and crafted by the darkness; its a sway away from your true identity. Its a seduction; a leading away from the truth, but giving you a replacement placebo.
Giving you a secondary pacifier to calm your fears and feed your doubt.
Alluring;
something the darkness is expert at.
Is God Real?
Mickiel;1446287 wrote: If you would walk into the darkside, then you must accept that it influences you, even to the point of convincing you that your in the light, instead of its darkness. It has a very nice grip; and it can make that grip feel revealing and refreshing to you. The darkside wants you convinced that your life, your consciousness, your very designed magnificent being, has its origins in things far, far less than you are! And that God is not real. It wants you to believe that your origins, your root family heritage, is in some giant extreme explosion that happened in space trillions of years ago; and from that miracle blast, the very ingredients of your heritage was some how in that lucky destructive burst from nowhere.
It then developed into gases; then evolved into chemicals, which then shared their evolution with miracle self creating matter. Over the trillions of years this" stuff" grew skin; then bones, then it found water somewhere and got into it. Then it took its time and one day came alive and eventually walked out of the water when it grew legs.
You know the rest of story; an incredible story that has been well developed and crafted by the darkness; its a sway away from your true identity. Its a seduction; a leading away from the truth, but giving you a replacement placebo.
Giving you a secondary pacifier to calm your fears and feed your doubt.
Alluring;
something the darkness is expert at.
This darkness teaches that something " Lesser than you, made you"; as complicated as you are, it is trying to seduce you into believing that things and situations less complicated than you-- created you. That's like saying that your a 10, but a 2 created you, which is absurd in creative math.
Your mind and consciousness alone DEMANDS that a GREATER Mind and Consciousness created you. And that creative mathology is proof that God is real.
It then developed into gases; then evolved into chemicals, which then shared their evolution with miracle self creating matter. Over the trillions of years this" stuff" grew skin; then bones, then it found water somewhere and got into it. Then it took its time and one day came alive and eventually walked out of the water when it grew legs.
You know the rest of story; an incredible story that has been well developed and crafted by the darkness; its a sway away from your true identity. Its a seduction; a leading away from the truth, but giving you a replacement placebo.
Giving you a secondary pacifier to calm your fears and feed your doubt.
Alluring;
something the darkness is expert at.
This darkness teaches that something " Lesser than you, made you"; as complicated as you are, it is trying to seduce you into believing that things and situations less complicated than you-- created you. That's like saying that your a 10, but a 2 created you, which is absurd in creative math.
Your mind and consciousness alone DEMANDS that a GREATER Mind and Consciousness created you. And that creative mathology is proof that God is real.
Is God Real?
Is God real? Well yes, and just because we cannot see him does not mean he is not real. We cannot see wind, but we know its real. We cannot see magnetism, but we know its real. We cannot see emotion, but we know its real. We can see the effects of all these things, and we can see the effects of God.
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Is there a God gene? Goodness, God created genes, how could they even not be God genes? Science did not create genes, they are unable to create themselves, so explain to your common sense just who did create them? In order to remove creation by creator, you must then accept that creation created itself.
Nonsense, that's like saying that you came into this world, without a father or a mother. Its like you developing a hatred for your parents, and then deciding to explain your existence without them, excluding them. Because you don't believe in your parents, you must exclude them from your reality. This is what unbelievers are doing.
They must explain creation, without a creator.
And science is their lead investigator to this impossible task of neglect.
Nonsense, that's like saying that you came into this world, without a father or a mother. Its like you developing a hatred for your parents, and then deciding to explain your existence without them, excluding them. Because you don't believe in your parents, you must exclude them from your reality. This is what unbelievers are doing.
They must explain creation, without a creator.
And science is their lead investigator to this impossible task of neglect.
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Are the Laws of the Universe real? Who made them?
The Law giver is very real.
The Law giver is very real.
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For over 3 years running I have been posting on God being Real; 3 years and I am nowhere even near finished. That there is proof of God. Don't you think if he was not real and there was no proof, I would run out of fabrications in only a few weeks or a month.
3 years later and I am still listing proofs and explaining the differing facts of God being real.
This is a " Living Testement to God being real", and will one day be recognized as such.
3 years later and I am still listing proofs and explaining the differing facts of God being real.
This is a " Living Testement to God being real", and will one day be recognized as such.
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This is 1,207 pages of God being real. This is serious journalism!!
When a thread gets over 100,000 views, something very real is going on!
When a thread gets over 100,000 views, something very real is going on!
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Mickiel;1446668 wrote: This is 1,207 pages of God being real. This is serious journalism!!
When a thread gets over 100,000 views, something very real is going on!
And its real because the God it discusses is real.
It won't be long before its closed, but its message of realness can never be closed.
When a thread gets over 100,000 views, something very real is going on!
And its real because the God it discusses is real.
It won't be long before its closed, but its message of realness can never be closed.
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I say it will be closed, because I see the " Seeds of the desire to close it", being planted now.
And those seeds are evidence of the effort to subtract the truth from humanity and replace it with plastic surgeon like puffed up false meat.
To turn you from a real God. And put your consciousness on plasma pie created in this world!
And those seeds are evidence of the effort to subtract the truth from humanity and replace it with plastic surgeon like puffed up false meat.
To turn you from a real God. And put your consciousness on plasma pie created in this world!
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Even the simple life of a plant reveals that God is real. God even put " Gametes" in plants, which almost have a life of their own. Nature or blind self creating evolution would not have enough sense to put Gametes in both humans and plants, because neither nature or evolution are alive and self conscious entities within themselves. God gave plants " Gametophyte steps" in their life cycle that even animals don't have; this distinction is a proof of God; In animals, no development occurs until a sperm and an egg combine to produce a new organism. In plants, there's a little break between Meiosis and the production of sperm and eggs.
This is a definite track of " A planned difference."
This is a definite track of " A planned difference."
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Blood is a stern proof of God , that he is real. God obviously designed it with careful planning and work; evolution cannot plan, it has no consciousness to plan with. Blood is made up of liquid plasma, 55 percent, water and floating cells, 45 percent. The plasma has dissolved proteins, lipids and carbohydrates; explain to your honest self how these three componants could create themselves one at a time, then go find a human body that created itself, then somehow get inside of the body and start flowing in perfect unison, while keeping the trial body alive. And then they decide by committe to live together?
Please, get real; God is real, the proof is running through your body.
The constituents of blood are red blood cells, white blood cells and platelets;
and I want you to remember this about creation, it always has " Constituents", or supporting factors that always fit perfectly. That perfect fit is the proof that God is real. Nothingelse can create perfection.
Please, get real; God is real, the proof is running through your body.
The constituents of blood are red blood cells, white blood cells and platelets;
and I want you to remember this about creation, it always has " Constituents", or supporting factors that always fit perfectly. That perfect fit is the proof that God is real. Nothingelse can create perfection.
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Welcome to the second edition of the thread Is God Real? We welcome your comments and opinions and disagreements. We may not bow down to your views, but we will respect them and listen; and then square them up to ours in truth;
welcome.
welcome.
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What God will allow us to see in his Spirit Kingdom will be amazing! Our future with him is real, what we see not is only temporary. Objects have color because of the way they selectively reflect light, but one day God is going to break that spectrum wide open to us and we will REALLY see some great things, which we simply cannot see now.
In this same manner, God increases or decreases the things a human can see and understand now.
In this same manner, God increases or decreases the things a human can see and understand now.
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Is God real, just look at the powerful engine that we call " The Weather", fueled by the heat of the Sun, the weather is proof of cycles and forces WAY beyond human ability to control.
Which again points to God being real. The weather Phenomena is really the God phenomena.
Which again points to God being real. The weather Phenomena is really the God phenomena.
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Welcome to thread, I encourage you to participate. Is God real? My goodness, just examine your Cardiovascular system and try and convince yourself that such an active well working proven design could enter into reality without a real defined acceptable cause? Its is just one of several systems that make up the human body. Listen, the arteries carry bright read oxygenated blood from the heart to the various tissues of the body. Veins then carry the bluish blood back to the heart, which then pumps it through the lungs for a fresh supply of oxygen. This is purposeful, it is NOT happenstance incredible luck done by a nature that sprung itself into reality and made itself a brain that could design all these great things.
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You ever wake up late on a peaceful night; sky clear and just nothing in the air but the moon and stars? Nothing particular on your mind except the mysterys in life? You wonder if God is real, or are we just an abberation that got lucky? Are we really made? Why are we here? Is it just this, then nothing forever when we die?
Then you start wondering why you are thinking like that? Then you think about your ability to think. Sometimes these thoughts get no further than your ceiling, at other times you get to share them with others. Even better, sometimes you get answers to these mystery moments that you are personally curious about.
I did that for years without end.
I came to a conclusion that there must be a God somewhere. Its got to be, because to be or not to be is not the question. The question, as I see it, is what is this God up to?
Then you start wondering why you are thinking like that? Then you think about your ability to think. Sometimes these thoughts get no further than your ceiling, at other times you get to share them with others. Even better, sometimes you get answers to these mystery moments that you are personally curious about.
I did that for years without end.
I came to a conclusion that there must be a God somewhere. Its got to be, because to be or not to be is not the question. The question, as I see it, is what is this God up to?
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The diversity of Insects is a proof that God is real. They are the largest and most diverse group of animals on the planet. They are God's most common creation on earth. Its simply factually stunning how God designed them to perform pollination, predation, decomposition and plant conversion. They simply were designed to make our planet habitable. Another fact of God being behind it. The genius of putting together such a great amount of Insects must be attributed to creation, the sheer numbers of different insects is staggering! Insects and Spiders have been on the earth for perhaps 400 million years; there are at least 1.5 million known species, and may be 10 to 30 million unknown? Gods power and creative thought is expressed and exploited in their world for sure!
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Some feel we are the result of 4 billion years of lucky fierce miracle molecular evolution; and they seem to think we were just lucky enough to survive an equally lucky grand cosmos that hit the jackpot and won the second prize of existence. They think earth formed from ancient self made photons and somewhere on that earth at some time a complex set of molecular structures began to self replicate and life began. God created, is just too simple for them to grasp?
They seem to think also that the great super-clusters and web-like structures of millions of galaxies , spanned outward for millions of light years were formed by gravity; millions of galaxies, and quintillions of stars, strung throughout the cosmos; just an awesome glory and testament of God, reduced within their minds to happenstance MINDLESS LUCKY INCIDENT. How utterly ungrateful man has become; to actually be given the technology to be able to see the great galaxy clusters " Coma", and " Centaurus" and " The Great Hydra", and remove God as their origin and replace him with some black hole in space that spit these wonders out one day when it took a mind too.
They seem to think also that the great super-clusters and web-like structures of millions of galaxies , spanned outward for millions of light years were formed by gravity; millions of galaxies, and quintillions of stars, strung throughout the cosmos; just an awesome glory and testament of God, reduced within their minds to happenstance MINDLESS LUCKY INCIDENT. How utterly ungrateful man has become; to actually be given the technology to be able to see the great galaxy clusters " Coma", and " Centaurus" and " The Great Hydra", and remove God as their origin and replace him with some black hole in space that spit these wonders out one day when it took a mind too.
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The control of insects and the inner programing of them being pest to humanity is a proof of God. If they were not controlled and properly programmed, they would simply overcome all humans. Since antiquity, insects, spiders, and their relatives have bitten us, stung us, infected us with disease, attacked our crops, infested our food stores, and pestered our animals. The damage they cause and our efforts to control them cost billions of dollars annually. However, only about 1 percent of all known insects are pest. The vast majority are beneficial, and THAT is evidence of intent in their design and relation to humanity.
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Did you know backbones are proof of God, and invertebrates are supporting proof of that. If nature created vertebrates, ( or animals with a backbone), it would not have done the opposite and created invertebrates ( or animals without a back bone), because that would have showed a planned design, a reverse intent to an already designed out intent. Can you see that? Its like creating a male, then a female, which is a planned agenda.
Arthropods are invertebrates that show a definite designed criteria; a reverse type of intent, pulled from an already created drawn out intent. And you prove creation in this manner. Internal and external skeletons, or exoskeletons, reveal a series of plans that nature cannot make, because nature has no brain or intent. It has no purposeful course. So again God is real.
Arthropods are invertebrates that show a definite designed criteria; a reverse type of intent, pulled from an already created drawn out intent. And you prove creation in this manner. Internal and external skeletons, or exoskeletons, reveal a series of plans that nature cannot make, because nature has no brain or intent. It has no purposeful course. So again God is real.
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Creation without a creator would be a Primordial environment; unstable and artificial. It would be a colossal mess; no collaboration and inaccurate. Reality would have no soul. A black hole beginning has only darkness, no scheme of things; no color and form, and that is exactly what our space was like when God created it. In Genesis 1:1 it states that when God first created the earth, it was at first a shapeless, chaotic mass and it was Dark. That's the black hole that science almost got right.
But as usual, they took a wrong detour in their search for understanding.
But as usual, they took a wrong detour in their search for understanding.
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Some people believe life came from the majestically violent condensation of material that came out of a black hole and became a pristine sea of Hydrogen, Helium and Dark Matter. And thus now a vigorous amount of " Stellar Birth", ;;life and death was pumping raw elements magically into the Cosmos that also just somehow " Got There." So they prefer " The Black Hole in the Cosmos did it, to God did it." Imagine that, ( and you need a GREAT imagination to even imagine that), life coming from dark matter death. They formulate that the black hole played a crucial role in the evolution of cosmic structures across time. They are trying to say that black holes birthed our universe, ( which is slap full of Photons and electromagnetic soup everywhere), they are completely ignoring the light. The energy.
Because they fail to see the energy is God.
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Because they fail to see the energy is God.
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Unbelievers created the term " Mother Nature', in an early effort to remove God from the picture. But mother nature is not a woman that gave birth to reality; she is a myth and a carefully guarded one at that. They build her up to be an efficient woman, but the true efficiency is in God. Just look at " Fertility"; for women, and remember mother nature is not a real entity , optimum fertility occurs when they are about 18 years old. Now watch this proof of God and his revealed biblical view of family life; as revealed in the years of fertility; After reaching 18 years old, it stays pretty constant in the early part of your 20's and then begins a gradual downward turn. By the time your 35, the process has accelerated. Just look at this " Planned pattern of Parenthood in creation", when you hit 40, the slide becomes even more dramatic; 33 percent of women over 35 have some difficulty getting pregnant, 66 percent of women over 40 have infertility issues. This is God teaching his creations, influencing them; the mythical mother nature cannot do that, because she does not exist.
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In respect of others views, I await the evidence or proof that God is not real; it kind of gives this a two way explination. I explain why he is, you explain why he is not.
I have over 3 years of explinations on this thread, over 1,000 pages of them; you can start with your explinations as to why he is not real, and hopefully catch up.
Or if that is too much to ask, just give me 10 reasons or proofs that God is not real.
I have over 3 years of explinations on this thread, over 1,000 pages of them; you can start with your explinations as to why he is not real, and hopefully catch up.
Or if that is too much to ask, just give me 10 reasons or proofs that God is not real.
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As several have mentioned, there is no real proof that God is not real. There is no real proof that he is. At least not that would hold up to any scientific scrutiny. All of your points are very good points and to a believer, sound great. But then a believer seldom actually needs proof.
I know that God is real. I experience the wonder of God every day. It may be only in my mind, as more than a few atheists have suggested, but I don't care. I much prefer being the believer than the person I was when I ignored God and thought only of myself.
I know that God is real. I experience the wonder of God every day. It may be only in my mind, as more than a few atheists have suggested, but I don't care. I much prefer being the believer than the person I was when I ignored God and thought only of myself.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
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LarsMac;1447429 wrote: As several have mentioned, there is no real proof that God is not real. There is no real proof that he is. At least not that would hold up to any scientific scrutiny. All of your points are very good points and to a believer, sound great. But then a believer seldom actually needs proof.
I know that God is real. I experience the wonder of God every day. It may be only in my mind, as more than a few atheists have suggested, but I don't care. I much prefer being the believer than the person I was when I ignored God and thought only of myself.
I disagree of course and have listed the proof as I see it. In my mind, I refuse to give over the proofs of God to being nothing or no proof; every scientific fact discovered is a proof of God, but its just a stolen proof that people allow science to give over to nature and take away from God. Its a seduction; people are blindly convinced that there is no proof, while there are millions of proofs. Every animal, every insect, every human, every plant, every fish, every star , every cluster of stars, every cluster of universes, every consciousness that ever took a thought, all these and more are proofs of God. Every bit of biblical archaeology, every historical fact in human history, every moment that passes in time, all these are evidence of God.
Every language on earth, every emotion we experience, every color we can see, every birth that took place, every mountian, every blade of grass, every river and sea are proofs of God. Yet some have been seduced into thinking there is no proof.
I have not; I can see the proofs of God. There are millions of proofs of God, and these are proofs whether a person believes them or not.
I know that God is real. I experience the wonder of God every day. It may be only in my mind, as more than a few atheists have suggested, but I don't care. I much prefer being the believer than the person I was when I ignored God and thought only of myself.
I disagree of course and have listed the proof as I see it. In my mind, I refuse to give over the proofs of God to being nothing or no proof; every scientific fact discovered is a proof of God, but its just a stolen proof that people allow science to give over to nature and take away from God. Its a seduction; people are blindly convinced that there is no proof, while there are millions of proofs. Every animal, every insect, every human, every plant, every fish, every star , every cluster of stars, every cluster of universes, every consciousness that ever took a thought, all these and more are proofs of God. Every bit of biblical archaeology, every historical fact in human history, every moment that passes in time, all these are evidence of God.
Every language on earth, every emotion we experience, every color we can see, every birth that took place, every mountian, every blade of grass, every river and sea are proofs of God. Yet some have been seduced into thinking there is no proof.
I have not; I can see the proofs of God. There are millions of proofs of God, and these are proofs whether a person believes them or not.
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Scientific scrutiny began as a search for God; then it got harnessed in the church, but it started believing in itself more than the divine God it first believed in. It rebelled against the Popes and Bishops that were said to represent and speak for God, and science just got tired of looking to those men and having to go through them for answers they started finding themselves. That rebellion was called " The Scientific Revolution", or the break away from " Church regulated science." But science got so angry in those years, it turned from God themselves, because most of those scientist were devot religuious men. Some actually theologians.
This was the beginning of the proofs of God, being considered as not proofs; because now science wanted the position of God. Now science, and a great evil power behind the scenes, would work a horrible STRONG delusion over the earth, that God was not real and could not be proven. And this blanket has been covering the earth ever since.
This is WHY even believers in God think he cannot be proven.
This was the beginning of the proofs of God, being considered as not proofs; because now science wanted the position of God. Now science, and a great evil power behind the scenes, would work a horrible STRONG delusion over the earth, that God was not real and could not be proven. And this blanket has been covering the earth ever since.
This is WHY even believers in God think he cannot be proven.
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Actually, Scientific scrutiny probably started when men first tried to figure out how to manage fire. and how to make better hunting gear.
Experimentation was the beginning of science. Trail and error. The first guy who could control fire was ruler of the world, for a little while.
Experimentation was the beginning of science. Trail and error. The first guy who could control fire was ruler of the world, for a little while.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
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LarsMac;1447477 wrote: Actually, Scientific scrutiny probably started when men first tried to figure out how to manage fire. and how to make better hunting gear.
Experimentation was the beginning of science. Trail and error. The first guy who could control fire was ruler of the world, for a little while.
Science left the church and took over the church led responsibility to reveal God to the people. It decided that it no longer needed a Priest to sanction its knowledge, and it wanted to be the number one knowledge producer. And many in the world have fallen under their spell. Even you claim you are a believer, but there is no proof of God that will pass scientific scrutiny; even now you must have approval from science to claim something proves God. Science is already predominant in your mind of proof. Science, and a great Spirit behind it, has genetically modified the minds of many believers into believing that God cannot be proven. And of course a host of unbelievers have been modified as well.
About this thread; I will continue to prove that God is real, and science itself is a main proof of God; and the complette utter blindness to this, is itself a proof of God; why would the bible admonish its readers to " Prove all things", it God could not be proven amoung all those things?
Experimentation was the beginning of science. Trail and error. The first guy who could control fire was ruler of the world, for a little while.
Science left the church and took over the church led responsibility to reveal God to the people. It decided that it no longer needed a Priest to sanction its knowledge, and it wanted to be the number one knowledge producer. And many in the world have fallen under their spell. Even you claim you are a believer, but there is no proof of God that will pass scientific scrutiny; even now you must have approval from science to claim something proves God. Science is already predominant in your mind of proof. Science, and a great Spirit behind it, has genetically modified the minds of many believers into believing that God cannot be proven. And of course a host of unbelievers have been modified as well.
About this thread; I will continue to prove that God is real, and science itself is a main proof of God; and the complette utter blindness to this, is itself a proof of God; why would the bible admonish its readers to " Prove all things", it God could not be proven amoung all those things?
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LarsMac;1447477 wrote: Actually, Scientific scrutiny probably started when men first tried to figure out how to manage fire. and how to make better hunting gear.
Experimentation was the beginning of science. Trail and error. The first guy who could control fire was ruler of the world, for a little while.
I totally disagree with this; science started much further inside of history, if we mean " Insititutionalized Science"? Which I mean. That science started in the Western society from perhaps 1170 to 1500; these were the years that formed the true foundations of science and I maintain it began firstly as Astronomy, a search for the divine in the stars, then evolved onto Cosmology and Physics in the course of the 16th and 17th centuries.
It was during these years that the true founding fathers of science were born. And most of them believed in God, from Blaise Pascal, Louis Pasteur, Issac Newton, Galileo Galilei and Francis Bacon;; the list is long and many of these founding fathers of science were theologians.
Experimentation was the beginning of science. Trail and error. The first guy who could control fire was ruler of the world, for a little while.
I totally disagree with this; science started much further inside of history, if we mean " Insititutionalized Science"? Which I mean. That science started in the Western society from perhaps 1170 to 1500; these were the years that formed the true foundations of science and I maintain it began firstly as Astronomy, a search for the divine in the stars, then evolved onto Cosmology and Physics in the course of the 16th and 17th centuries.
It was during these years that the true founding fathers of science were born. And most of them believed in God, from Blaise Pascal, Louis Pasteur, Issac Newton, Galileo Galilei and Francis Bacon;; the list is long and many of these founding fathers of science were theologians.
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Mickiel;1447505 wrote: I totally disagree with this; science started much further inside of history, if we mean " Insititutionalized Science"? Which I mean. That science started in the Western society from perhaps 1170 to 1500; these were the years that formed the true foundations of science and I maintain it began firstly as Astronomy, a search for the divine in the stars, then evolved onto Cosmology and Physics in the course of the 16th and 17th centuries.
It was during these years that the true founding fathers of science were born. And most of them believed in God, from Blaise Pascal, Louis Pasteur, Issac Newton, Galileo Galilei and Francis Bacon;; the list is long and many of these founding fathers of science were theologians.
And no one has to take my word on this, just type into your computer, ( by the way computers were founded by a Theist, Charles Babbage), " Theist who founded science", and you will see a most comprehensive list of the founders of science who strongly believed in God; such as Louis Aggasiz, Glacial science; Robert Boyle- Chemistry, and John Dalton- Atomic Theory. All of these men were believers in God, Theist; science used to be dominated by Theist; now its Atheist.
And there is a reason for that change in history; that scientific revolution has to do with a plan of God.
It was during these years that the true founding fathers of science were born. And most of them believed in God, from Blaise Pascal, Louis Pasteur, Issac Newton, Galileo Galilei and Francis Bacon;; the list is long and many of these founding fathers of science were theologians.
And no one has to take my word on this, just type into your computer, ( by the way computers were founded by a Theist, Charles Babbage), " Theist who founded science", and you will see a most comprehensive list of the founders of science who strongly believed in God; such as Louis Aggasiz, Glacial science; Robert Boyle- Chemistry, and John Dalton- Atomic Theory. All of these men were believers in God, Theist; science used to be dominated by Theist; now its Atheist.
And there is a reason for that change in history; that scientific revolution has to do with a plan of God.
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Now, let me show you something that nomatic made up nature can't do; it cannot create " Deoxyribonucleic Acid" or " Ribonucleic Acid", which is DNA and RNA, which are Polymers of Nucleotides. To keep things simple; these are the structures of the genetic code of all cells created by Christ to " Determine charactheristics."
Or basically they are Jesus instructions for life.
Or basically they are Jesus instructions for life.
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There are plenty of scientists and science-oriented people who are Theists. I personally know quite a few. Most scientist don't let their religious beliefs interfere with their science.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
- DH Lawrence
Is God Real?
LarsMac;1447511 wrote: There are plenty of scientists and science-oriented people who are Theists. I personally know quite a few. Most scientist don't let their religious beliefs interfere with their science.
The original scientist were much different, their science came from their belief in God. And that belief, coupled with their science, convinced them that God was real. Now the scientist today who don't let their beliefs interfere with their science, need to learn to let their science interfere with their belief. For example, those scientist who believe the earth was made in 7 days because of their belief, need to let their science overule their belief.
The original scientist were much different, their science came from their belief in God. And that belief, coupled with their science, convinced them that God was real. Now the scientist today who don't let their beliefs interfere with their science, need to learn to let their science interfere with their belief. For example, those scientist who believe the earth was made in 7 days because of their belief, need to let their science overule their belief.
Is God Real?
If every particle has one or more properties their could be an intelligent endgoal!
(at least a binary system like the zero and one)
The primal scream of redundancy in our awesome multi-universe says more, more, more!
You can call it God, or Intelligence or even: "'The eternal Nothingness."
If there is only one particle with no properties like 0/0,
it does not exist.
Even virtual particals or virtual anti-particals are mathematically fixed with properties like human orphens listen to their temporary new parents.
The bosons and fermionen and quarks have paradoxes in there state of existence if the quantummechanica is a 100% proven system.
Intelligence, love, happiness have no material properties but are in a Being-State.
Moral, ethics and justice are human evolutionairy and cultural archievements with only a relation to herself, namely we as humans.
If on an other planet silicon-based creatures evolve to intelligent beings they will eventually ask the same question: "Is God real?"
We probably would have other ethics and a different ecosystem, but we could meet them on Love, Hate, Happiness or Taste of Music.
Does it say if God is real?
No, God is a Paradox, An Enigma, The Property-Giver, Dark Mater, A Singulairty or just an Eternal Questionmark.
I would like that!!!
ps Being-State.
A good study around this subject is: The works of Aristoteles,
Immanual Kant, Blaise Pascal, Teillard de Jardin and of course Douglas Hofstadter.
All Enigma's before their time.
Let there be water,
Atlynox
-- We shall fight the Machine, we shall never surrender - QuBit --
(at least a binary system like the zero and one)
The primal scream of redundancy in our awesome multi-universe says more, more, more!
You can call it God, or Intelligence or even: "'The eternal Nothingness."
If there is only one particle with no properties like 0/0,
it does not exist.
Even virtual particals or virtual anti-particals are mathematically fixed with properties like human orphens listen to their temporary new parents.
The bosons and fermionen and quarks have paradoxes in there state of existence if the quantummechanica is a 100% proven system.
Intelligence, love, happiness have no material properties but are in a Being-State.
Moral, ethics and justice are human evolutionairy and cultural archievements with only a relation to herself, namely we as humans.
If on an other planet silicon-based creatures evolve to intelligent beings they will eventually ask the same question: "Is God real?"
We probably would have other ethics and a different ecosystem, but we could meet them on Love, Hate, Happiness or Taste of Music.
Does it say if God is real?
No, God is a Paradox, An Enigma, The Property-Giver, Dark Mater, A Singulairty or just an Eternal Questionmark.
I would like that!!!
ps Being-State.
A good study around this subject is: The works of Aristoteles,
Immanual Kant, Blaise Pascal, Teillard de Jardin and of course Douglas Hofstadter.
All Enigma's before their time.
Let there be water,
Atlynox
-- We shall fight the Machine, we shall never surrender - QuBit --
Is God Real?
Atlynox;1447536 wrote: If every particle has one or more properties their could be an intelligent endgoal!
(at least a binary system like the zero and one)
The primal scream of redundancy in our awesome multi-universe says more, more, more!
You can call it God, or Intelligence or even: "'The eternal Nothingness."
If there is only one particle with no properties like 0/0,
it does not exist.
Even virtual particals or virtual anti-particals are mathematically fixed with properties like human orphens listen to their temporary new parents.
The bosons and fermionen and quarks have paradoxes in there state of existence if the quantummechanica is a 100% proven system.
Intelligence, love, happiness have no material properties but are in a Being-State.
Moral, ethics and justice are human evolutionairy and cultural archievements with only a relation to herself, namely we as humans.
If on an other planet silicon-based creatures evolve to intelligent beings they will eventually ask the same question: "Is God real?"
We probably would have other ethics and a different ecosystem, but we could meet them on Love, Hate, Happiness or Taste of Music.
Does it say if God is real?
No, God is a Paradox, An Enigma, The Property-Giver, Dark Mater, A Singulairty or just an Eternal Questionmark.
I would like that!!!
ps Being-State.
A good study around this subject is: The works of Aristoteles,
Immanual Kant, Blaise Pascal, Teillard de Jardin and of course Douglas Hofstadter.
All Enigma's before their time.
Let there be water,
Atlynox
-- We shall fight the Machine, we shall never surrender - QuBit --
I would not call it the eternal nothing; I see nothing as nothing; we obviously are something; and I think something comes from something and will lead to something.
Welcome to thread.
(at least a binary system like the zero and one)
The primal scream of redundancy in our awesome multi-universe says more, more, more!
You can call it God, or Intelligence or even: "'The eternal Nothingness."
If there is only one particle with no properties like 0/0,
it does not exist.
Even virtual particals or virtual anti-particals are mathematically fixed with properties like human orphens listen to their temporary new parents.
The bosons and fermionen and quarks have paradoxes in there state of existence if the quantummechanica is a 100% proven system.
Intelligence, love, happiness have no material properties but are in a Being-State.
Moral, ethics and justice are human evolutionairy and cultural archievements with only a relation to herself, namely we as humans.
If on an other planet silicon-based creatures evolve to intelligent beings they will eventually ask the same question: "Is God real?"
We probably would have other ethics and a different ecosystem, but we could meet them on Love, Hate, Happiness or Taste of Music.
Does it say if God is real?
No, God is a Paradox, An Enigma, The Property-Giver, Dark Mater, A Singulairty or just an Eternal Questionmark.
I would like that!!!
ps Being-State.
A good study around this subject is: The works of Aristoteles,
Immanual Kant, Blaise Pascal, Teillard de Jardin and of course Douglas Hofstadter.
All Enigma's before their time.
Let there be water,
Atlynox
-- We shall fight the Machine, we shall never surrender - QuBit --
I would not call it the eternal nothing; I see nothing as nothing; we obviously are something; and I think something comes from something and will lead to something.
Welcome to thread.
Is God Real?
What many people don't understand is that God is where Physics, Chemistry, Biology and Mathmatics meet, in him is interdisciplinary real science. For God to create, he had to first give Christ the mind of creation; and through Christ he endulged himself in the beginning of things at the molecular level, and from there they expanded onto the Physiological, Anatomical and Environmental approaches to the way they created even the physics of things. They are " Advanced Beings", and they created Biophysics, it did not create itself. The creation of these Prerequisites of our reality required some advance knowledge; that advanced knowledge that they have created what we know as knowledge; the very discipline of science was created by Christ. And science still crucifies him.
God even had to " Demystify" some knowledge to even impart it into man, but that's another topic. The " Grammar of science" was even imparted into man by God, it is God who imparts intelligence, men were not lucky in how their genes formed in their consciousness. Science is broad because God is broad. Knowledge is increasing because God is increasing it.
God even had to " Demystify" some knowledge to even impart it into man, but that's another topic. The " Grammar of science" was even imparted into man by God, it is God who imparts intelligence, men were not lucky in how their genes formed in their consciousness. Science is broad because God is broad. Knowledge is increasing because God is increasing it.
Is God Real?
For life to be created on a grandscale, it first had to be created on a small scale; Molecular and Subcellular Biophysics, and by this we can see God is real because the size, shape and structure of molecules had to " Be Determined", they are not self determinant. And that is how " Polymers" were made, by connecting together smaller molecules. Its also how God had " Proteins " made, by linking together smaller molecules that we call " Amio Acids." From 4 simple levels of structure in these created biological molecules they went on to create all that we know as Life.
Primary, secondary, tertiary and quaternary structures specified the Atoms or groups of Atoms that make up a molecule in these stunning designs of life which science literally stolen the blueprints from God and gave the design over to " Lucky Nature"; and gave nature the credit for this marvel God had done.
Imagine that; creation breaking into the knowledge of the creator, stealing it, and giving credit for his creations to virtual nothing.
Primary, secondary, tertiary and quaternary structures specified the Atoms or groups of Atoms that make up a molecule in these stunning designs of life which science literally stolen the blueprints from God and gave the design over to " Lucky Nature"; and gave nature the credit for this marvel God had done.
Imagine that; creation breaking into the knowledge of the creator, stealing it, and giving credit for his creations to virtual nothing.
Is God Real?
The forces and energy involved in creation are highly disrespected by science where God is concerned, but highly revered and in awe where random evolution is concerned. The relationship between force and energy and creation is the actual mind of God, which is hard to study, but it is the key that binds. So we are left to study the physical, and try to determine from creation itself, what is. And when creation studys creation, often the creator is ignored.
The mind of Christ then must be known, and the mind of God, in order to understand what they have created, this is WHY science does not know God, although they help reveal him. All living things are made up of cells, and those things would not be living without cells.
We have to look at cells to better understand creation.
The mind of Christ then must be known, and the mind of God, in order to understand what they have created, this is WHY science does not know God, although they help reveal him. All living things are made up of cells, and those things would not be living without cells.
We have to look at cells to better understand creation.
Is God Real?
Gods creation is simplicity, complexity and diversity, and so are cells. Cells breathe, fuel chemical reactions, communicate with one another and reproduce. Science has been duped into missing that God created the Chemicals that appeared in reality and that he developed the first cell that then reproduced itself; for some strange reason, they cannot understand its impossible for this process to have began itself; but they have been at war with the church for so long, they are prejudiced toward this reality. They think this creative little factory that God developed, evolved and then split itself into Prokaryotes and Eukaryotes in some weird ubiquitous manner in mystery,( again that mystery is God).
God created cells and began their cycle of life, designing structures within the cells to have different functions. He gave them " Semi-Fluid Cytoplasm", those organelles include Mitochondria, which produce the energy necessary for the survival of the cell, Lysosomes, which digest waste materials, the " Endoplasmic Reticulum", and the Golgi apparatus, which synthesizes molecules and processes, sorts, and directs them to their destinations. Each single creations which work in designed harmony; still yet another proof of design and God.
God created cells and began their cycle of life, designing structures within the cells to have different functions. He gave them " Semi-Fluid Cytoplasm", those organelles include Mitochondria, which produce the energy necessary for the survival of the cell, Lysosomes, which digest waste materials, the " Endoplasmic Reticulum", and the Golgi apparatus, which synthesizes molecules and processes, sorts, and directs them to their destinations. Each single creations which work in designed harmony; still yet another proof of design and God.
Is God Real?
Everything in a cell depends on God for its existence; how did God do that? Well both Prokaryotic and Eukaryotic cells depend on the Plasma Membrane for their existence. And see that " Dependence is deliberate" and it " Types " God! God is the kind of being who is the center of all things, and all things he gives individual life to are still dependent on him; and we see that dependence being " Remodeled in creation", the things he creates depend on each other; this is the origin of God's unity!
Is God Real?
We are living with all kinds of influences; from reality and movies. Like the Matrix! Did you know it was God who created the ideal of the Matrix; a Cell wall is nothing but a specialized Matrix serving mechanical and structural functions, even in plants; DNA is a Matrix, holding a whole sequence of Proteins and proofs of God that even believers in God have been seduced into not viewing this as proof; that blindness is simply stunning! That blindness IS another Matrix that humans are living inside of.
Is God Real?
Let me again show you proof of God, just outright straightforward solid scientific factual proof! The human cell nucleus is, on average, only 6 micrometres in diameter, but it contains some 1.8 metres, ( 5.9 feet), of DNA, which is distributed among 46 Chromosomes; simply stunning proof of God! To fit into the nucleus, the DNA is organized into a dense chromatin fibre through the molecular interactions of nuclear proteins. This enables DNA not only to fit in the nucleus but also to be packaged neatly, with flexibility for unwinding of segments during certain cell processes. With a sequence of proteins that mirrors DNA and exist in several forms, ribonucleic acid , ( RNA), is produced in the nucleus from DNA. The genetic code from the DNA is transcribed to RNA, which then translates that message into protein. Protein, in turn, modulates the expression of genetic information. These then dictate the characteristics and functions of cells in the body and determines function!
A God made lab of Life! Its simply stunning evidence of him; there is absolutely no doubt here to design! But when even believers in God doubt this is proof, then a GREATER power THAN the proof itself exist! And that is satan, he is simply more powerful than the proofs of God; no doubt about it. NOT more powerful than God himself, but more powerful than the proofs of God.
A God made lab of Life! Its simply stunning evidence of him; there is absolutely no doubt here to design! But when even believers in God doubt this is proof, then a GREATER power THAN the proof itself exist! And that is satan, he is simply more powerful than the proofs of God; no doubt about it. NOT more powerful than God himself, but more powerful than the proofs of God.
Is God Real?
Listen, DNA is " Transcribed" to RNA; listen, that means its copied, like a written transformation; its coded; that means a MIND did it!
Is God Real?
Mickiel;1447794 wrote: Listen, DNA is " Transcribed" to RNA; listen, that means its copied, like a written transformation; its coded; that means a MIND did it!
So many Atheist don't like the expression and notion, " God did it"; they would rather hear that nature and evolution " Did it." Well, they got their rathers wrong, God did it, means a MIND did it! Nature and evolution did it, means mindless luck did it.
So many Atheist don't like the expression and notion, " God did it"; they would rather hear that nature and evolution " Did it." Well, they got their rathers wrong, God did it, means a MIND did it! Nature and evolution did it, means mindless luck did it.
Is God Real?
I mentioned on another thread on oppisition to Black History Month that consciousness can be affected on a worldwide basics; what that means is " POWER"; when EVERYONES thoughts can be influenced by something, that something, whatever it is, is Powerful! And racism is one of those things. I mention this in this thread because things like " Racism", or " Religion", or even " Atheism"- these things are powerful influences that take worldwide effect, and that is exactly how I think God is. His power is simply worldwide in effect, which is one easy way to recognise him.
God can affect an entire world, or region in the world; all the peoples there, get into their consciousness, and make whatever influence he simply wants to go into effect. OR, he can " Blind the consciousness" of those people and simply withold things from their ability to see and comprehend. And he does both. This is what I believe he did to the Neanderthal Primordial humans of their time, he simply severly limited their conscious abilities. For whatever reasons, ( which I am unaware as to why he did it?), but he can do it because he created and gave consciousness to humans; its a " Spirit in humans", its nothing physical, and science will never prove that it is. I think science will eventually discover that consciousness is a " Spirit in man", or what some call a " Soul." But that may take some time, because in that time science will continue to discover things which will eventually lead them to God being real; its academic.
Consciousness is FAR beyond physical organs like the brain; and it is impossible for consciousness to evolve from ANYTHING physical! Because its SPIRITUAL! Like a ghost! Take the " Big Blue computer" that scientist are trying to create " Artifical Intelligence" with. Using rats. Thats like saying that your going to create snow using fried chicken; or your going to create blood plasma using the toenails of a Cow! You can't create something conscious by using unconscious materials! You can't create a human body by using the toys in the basement that your children play with!! Its impossible!
Two TOTALLY different things!!
And this is what makes God so obviously real.
God can affect an entire world, or region in the world; all the peoples there, get into their consciousness, and make whatever influence he simply wants to go into effect. OR, he can " Blind the consciousness" of those people and simply withold things from their ability to see and comprehend. And he does both. This is what I believe he did to the Neanderthal Primordial humans of their time, he simply severly limited their conscious abilities. For whatever reasons, ( which I am unaware as to why he did it?), but he can do it because he created and gave consciousness to humans; its a " Spirit in humans", its nothing physical, and science will never prove that it is. I think science will eventually discover that consciousness is a " Spirit in man", or what some call a " Soul." But that may take some time, because in that time science will continue to discover things which will eventually lead them to God being real; its academic.
Consciousness is FAR beyond physical organs like the brain; and it is impossible for consciousness to evolve from ANYTHING physical! Because its SPIRITUAL! Like a ghost! Take the " Big Blue computer" that scientist are trying to create " Artifical Intelligence" with. Using rats. Thats like saying that your going to create snow using fried chicken; or your going to create blood plasma using the toenails of a Cow! You can't create something conscious by using unconscious materials! You can't create a human body by using the toys in the basement that your children play with!! Its impossible!
Two TOTALLY different things!!
And this is what makes God so obviously real.
Is God Real?
I made a few comments on the Black History month Thread, because the topic intrest me. And I rarely comment on other threads, leaving people to their own business and interests. And tending to my own interests. Being Black myself has been an ongoing living experience, and I can relate to the often intense prejudices, ( in all the forms it rears its ugly head in your life), and I am close to 59 years old now, and still experience it " Everyday." Have things gotten better, " Certainly they have", but the root system of prejudice has always been here, and I think always will be; because the root is too STRONG! And that is just reality as it is.
I think as long as we are human, certain things will never disapear.
And this is one reason why I talk about God being real so much, because its another thing that I can see is being flushed down the new age toilet; the respect for God, the History of God, his hand in our creation, our relation to him, his creation of all things, all that history is the target of humans who don't respect God, don't believe in him, don't want anything to do with what history we have about him. And like anything " They" don't like, they will fircely attack it with a passion, and continually fight to remove it from reality, because it has no reality within them.
There exist what I call " Spirits", which I believe HIGHLY influence the human consciousness; and there are MANY of these Spirits who want even the thought of God totally removed from the human consciousness, as a WHOLE! Not just from certain ones of us, but ALL of us; that is their goal. And we are their targets, and they will NEVER, EVER stop! And what they can't remove, then they will pervert or confuse. And use anything to assist them; anything, like religion, science, human nature, passion, knowledge, deception, its does not MATTER! ANYTHING to corrupt our true history.
And that is real!
These " Things", because I just don't know whatelse to call them, are real. Some of us humans are so conscious of things that we can sense them. Some of us have actually seen them. Some, right before dying; some while unconscious, others while just sitting by a lake minding your own business. We have actually experienced that we are not alone!
And that is real, we are not alone.
Somethingelse is here with us. We can't see it, but if we look close, we can see the INFLUENCE of it.
And I can SEE the influence of God! I can see it, and it helps me believe that he is real. I don't understand him, never seen him, never heard his voice, ;
But I personally think that he is there. Where " There is", I have no idea. But it ain't on this planet.
I think as long as we are human, certain things will never disapear.
And this is one reason why I talk about God being real so much, because its another thing that I can see is being flushed down the new age toilet; the respect for God, the History of God, his hand in our creation, our relation to him, his creation of all things, all that history is the target of humans who don't respect God, don't believe in him, don't want anything to do with what history we have about him. And like anything " They" don't like, they will fircely attack it with a passion, and continually fight to remove it from reality, because it has no reality within them.
There exist what I call " Spirits", which I believe HIGHLY influence the human consciousness; and there are MANY of these Spirits who want even the thought of God totally removed from the human consciousness, as a WHOLE! Not just from certain ones of us, but ALL of us; that is their goal. And we are their targets, and they will NEVER, EVER stop! And what they can't remove, then they will pervert or confuse. And use anything to assist them; anything, like religion, science, human nature, passion, knowledge, deception, its does not MATTER! ANYTHING to corrupt our true history.
And that is real!
These " Things", because I just don't know whatelse to call them, are real. Some of us humans are so conscious of things that we can sense them. Some of us have actually seen them. Some, right before dying; some while unconscious, others while just sitting by a lake minding your own business. We have actually experienced that we are not alone!
And that is real, we are not alone.
Somethingelse is here with us. We can't see it, but if we look close, we can see the INFLUENCE of it.
And I can SEE the influence of God! I can see it, and it helps me believe that he is real. I don't understand him, never seen him, never heard his voice, ;
But I personally think that he is there. Where " There is", I have no idea. But it ain't on this planet.
Is God Real?
Is God Real? Well he is essential; people can say religion is not needed and be correct, but one cannot say God is not needed and be correct. Not if majority still means something. And I am not just talking about the majority of humans being believers now and throughout the past; I mean God is the majority power; the majority Peace, the Majority influencer, the Majority in reality, he is the Majority in the most important areas;
I just don't see any way around him. He cannot be excluded. Unless the space that excludes him is already empty.
I just don't see any way around him. He cannot be excluded. Unless the space that excludes him is already empty.
Is God Real?
God has really thermostated the world into really not seeing him, which is why some do not believe he is real. And God controls that condition.
It will be really interesting to see him change this, if I am allowed to live to see it.
It will be really interesting to see him change this, if I am allowed to live to see it.