One thing I understand with no doubts in my mind, is living without God. Its kind of weird, I have believed in God all of my life, yet I have never met him, he has never spoken to me, and I do not have his Spirit. A strange existence, living without God. It shows you how barren you are.
This world is without God, which is why it is barren.
Living without God, having no personal relationship with him, is like being on Ice. Your frozen out, must be outside, or shut up in disobedience. Like being locked in a box. You wonder if you will ever truly get to know him.
But I want to go into what it is like, to live without God.
Peace.
Living without God.
Living without God.
In John 6:44, Jesus taught that no one can come to him on their own, that you only can be " Called", or chosen, if the Father God himself " Draws you", or annoints your mind to be in tune with him. Although the world is teaching that you can " Come to Jesus freely on your own", Jesus didNOT teach that. If you go by the bible, you can " Know if you are called", conversely you can " Know that you are not."
I can see , through Gods word, very plainly, that I am not called of God, I hold no fruits of his Spirit. Thats a sure fire way to know that you are living without God. Now, living without God, does NOT mean that God is not substaining your life, because he is. But the most serious lesson I have ever learned about myself, is that God has not chosen me to be in his church. Has not drawn me. Oh how valuble this has been, learning to be for real, and not live out my life in illusion.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
I can see , through Gods word, very plainly, that I am not called of God, I hold no fruits of his Spirit. Thats a sure fire way to know that you are living without God. Now, living without God, does NOT mean that God is not substaining your life, because he is. But the most serious lesson I have ever learned about myself, is that God has not chosen me to be in his church. Has not drawn me. Oh how valuble this has been, learning to be for real, and not live out my life in illusion.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Living without God.
When people teach or believe out of illusion, you may as well consider that worthless. If I present myself as being one thing, when really I am another thing, then whatever I say is really meaningless. I am a hippocrite, and living in illusion. Much of presentday religion has been built on this very primise, people claiming to be one thing, annointed of God, when really they are somethingelse. This renders their teachings AND beliefs meaningless. Because the roots are lies.
I don't want my roots to be lies, I would rather live without God, than to lie and claim that he has annointed me, when really he has not.
This is what is really wrong with modernday believers, churchs and groups. They can't be for real with themselves. Their minds, their beliefs are strong, but they " Themselves" are really their own potters, molding their own clay, not God.
And this is a very powerful illusion, which started in Eden.
Eden, the orgin of " Spiritual Selfishness".
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
I don't want my roots to be lies, I would rather live without God, than to lie and claim that he has annointed me, when really he has not.
This is what is really wrong with modernday believers, churchs and groups. They can't be for real with themselves. Their minds, their beliefs are strong, but they " Themselves" are really their own potters, molding their own clay, not God.
And this is a very powerful illusion, which started in Eden.
Eden, the orgin of " Spiritual Selfishness".
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Living without God.
I live without god and I get along just fine. :-6
Living without God.
God controls all things, even those things that do not believe in him. Thats just something that we can't get around, no matter how our minds deceive us. I would like to one day Know God, I think hes quite something, I only wish I understood him.
Why is the world seemingly locked in confusion and anger, well its because of God. Romans 11:32;" For it was God himself who has locked humans into their behavior, only that he can later show them mercy, all of them."
Astoundedly, it is God himself who forces us to live without him. Just as it was God who allowed satan to just wipe out Adam and Eve. The devil deceived Eve in mere seconds, it was no contest at all. In just 6 verses of the bible, ( Gen.3:1-6), Eve was totally deceived by a demon who used " The Truth", and HER desire to be Like God", against her. The demon never lied to her, he just USED her DESIRE to be " Like God", having Gods knowledge of good and evil.
Believers , to this day, are just like Eve, being deceived by the truth, and greedy for the knowledge of God. And the devil has not changed his stradegy, because it still works good; Appeal to the believers personal greed to be just like God, and to know the things of God.
Because certain people just cannot accept living without God, even if they must live in the false illusion that they have God with them.
And I want to touch on that.
Peace.
Why is the world seemingly locked in confusion and anger, well its because of God. Romans 11:32;" For it was God himself who has locked humans into their behavior, only that he can later show them mercy, all of them."
Astoundedly, it is God himself who forces us to live without him. Just as it was God who allowed satan to just wipe out Adam and Eve. The devil deceived Eve in mere seconds, it was no contest at all. In just 6 verses of the bible, ( Gen.3:1-6), Eve was totally deceived by a demon who used " The Truth", and HER desire to be Like God", against her. The demon never lied to her, he just USED her DESIRE to be " Like God", having Gods knowledge of good and evil.
Believers , to this day, are just like Eve, being deceived by the truth, and greedy for the knowledge of God. And the devil has not changed his stradegy, because it still works good; Appeal to the believers personal greed to be just like God, and to know the things of God.
Because certain people just cannot accept living without God, even if they must live in the false illusion that they have God with them.
And I want to touch on that.
Peace.
Living without God.
Mickiel;1167338 wrote: One thing I understand with no doubts in my mind, is living without God. Its kind of weird, I have believed in God all of my life, yet I have never met him, he has never spoken to me, and I do not have his Spirit. A strange existence, living without God. It shows you how barren you are.
This world is without God, which is why it is barren.
Living without God, having no personal relationship with him, is like being on Ice. Your frozen out, must be outside, or shut up in disobedience. Like being locked in a box. You wonder if you will ever truly get to know him.
But I want to go into what it is like, to live without God.
Peace.
There is no way that you can know what it is like to not believe in a god or gods Mickiel, you can only guess, and that is particularly true if you have believed in a god all of your life. There are many on this planet without belief in god that function very well, create no problems, and contribute to society.
This world is without God, which is why it is barren.
Living without God, having no personal relationship with him, is like being on Ice. Your frozen out, must be outside, or shut up in disobedience. Like being locked in a box. You wonder if you will ever truly get to know him.
But I want to go into what it is like, to live without God.
Peace.
There is no way that you can know what it is like to not believe in a god or gods Mickiel, you can only guess, and that is particularly true if you have believed in a god all of your life. There are many on this planet without belief in god that function very well, create no problems, and contribute to society.
Living without God.
Lon;1167640 wrote: There is no way that you can know what it is like to not believe in a god or gods Mickiel, you can only guess, and that is particularly true if you have believed in a god all of your life. There are many on this planet without belief in god that function very well, create no problems, and contribute to society.
I don't even need to quess what it is like not to believe in God, I have already heard from many who do not, their experience, is enough for me to understand, all I need to understand about it. This subject is about being without God, yet still believing in him. Its about the experience of believing, but being cut off from God, by God himself.
This is my experience.
Peace.
I don't even need to quess what it is like not to believe in God, I have already heard from many who do not, their experience, is enough for me to understand, all I need to understand about it. This subject is about being without God, yet still believing in him. Its about the experience of believing, but being cut off from God, by God himself.
This is my experience.
Peace.
Living without God.
Mickiel;1167643 wrote: I don't even need to quess what it is like not to believe in God, I have already heard from many who do not, their experience, is enough for me to understand, all I need to understand about it. This subject is about being without God, yet still believing in him. Its about the experience of believing, but being cut off from God, by God himself.
This is my experience.
Peace.
OK-------I think I am following what you are saying, correct me if I am wrong. You feel barren, are living a strange existence like being on ice, due to the fact that you believe, but feel cut off from god. Is that correct? If so, let me ask, are you happy day to day for the most part or does this being cut off make you unhappy and miserable?
This is my experience.
Peace.
OK-------I think I am following what you are saying, correct me if I am wrong. You feel barren, are living a strange existence like being on ice, due to the fact that you believe, but feel cut off from god. Is that correct? If so, let me ask, are you happy day to day for the most part or does this being cut off make you unhappy and miserable?
Living without God.
Lon;1167690 wrote: OK-------I think I am following what you are saying, correct me if I am wrong. You feel barren, are living a strange existence like being on ice, due to the fact that you believe, but feel cut off from god. Is that correct? If so, let me ask, are you happy day to day for the most part or does this being cut off make you unhappy and miserable?
Well yes, you have it right, this is exactly how I feel. And I am up and down, mostly happy, but at times not so happy. Most things are okay, some things not. But even my happiness is not pure, not full and running over. Its like being in a type of " Coma", knowing a little about God, but not living and experiencing the Life of a Spirit filled person, AS DESCRIBED in the bible, NOT defined by those who claim to have Gods Spirit now. Trapped in an existence, happy to be alive, but not able to give myself the gifts in the bible, and not able to convince God to release me.
Living without God, being on Ice. Oh God provides all my " Physical Needs", and he knows I am grateful of that, but he also knows I want, and NEED his Spirit to live in me. Oh if I had that, EVERYTHING would change, because I believe his Spirit to be Super Powerful.
That Power would do wonders in a human.
Peace.
Well yes, you have it right, this is exactly how I feel. And I am up and down, mostly happy, but at times not so happy. Most things are okay, some things not. But even my happiness is not pure, not full and running over. Its like being in a type of " Coma", knowing a little about God, but not living and experiencing the Life of a Spirit filled person, AS DESCRIBED in the bible, NOT defined by those who claim to have Gods Spirit now. Trapped in an existence, happy to be alive, but not able to give myself the gifts in the bible, and not able to convince God to release me.
Living without God, being on Ice. Oh God provides all my " Physical Needs", and he knows I am grateful of that, but he also knows I want, and NEED his Spirit to live in me. Oh if I had that, EVERYTHING would change, because I believe his Spirit to be Super Powerful.
That Power would do wonders in a human.
Peace.
Living without God.
Everyones experience with "God"is different and to judge it by the Churches we have today is perhaps not the best way to measure your experience or expectation. The fact that you believe in peace which is a fruit of the "spirit"is a sign that you are in God, but then again it really depends on our understanding of what GOD is.You are a seeker and as it says "Seek and you will find"perhaps in letting go of pre conceived ideas is the beginning of findind real truth and that you really do have the spirit within.It's not always as we think and as Christ says" I give but not as the world gives".I had to free myself from the bondage of religious conditioning and found freedom and found what God was and was not!Peace is a great place to be!
Living without God.
jupiter;1167750 wrote: You are a seeker and as it says "Seek and you will find"perhaps in letting go of pre conceived ideas is the beginning of findind real truth and that you really do have the spirit within.It's not always as we think and as Christ says" I give but not as the world gives".I had to free myself from the bondage of religious conditioning and found freedom and found what God was and was not!Peace is a great place to be!
I can agree with washing ones self free of religion, that certainly is the beginning of wisdom. But if you understand the bible, then you can understand when you have Gods Spirit, and when you do not. I have read what it would be like to have Gods Spirit, the bible is clear on how a person would be. I am not that way, I clearly understand that I am without. Yet I believe with all my heart, this post is about just that, a believer having to live without God. Having to wait on him, and not jumping ahead of yourself and making false claims.
Peace.
I can agree with washing ones self free of religion, that certainly is the beginning of wisdom. But if you understand the bible, then you can understand when you have Gods Spirit, and when you do not. I have read what it would be like to have Gods Spirit, the bible is clear on how a person would be. I am not that way, I clearly understand that I am without. Yet I believe with all my heart, this post is about just that, a believer having to live without God. Having to wait on him, and not jumping ahead of yourself and making false claims.
Peace.
Living without God.
Good on you,that reminds me of a quote from shakespeare"To thine own self be true then thou canst be false to any man".
Living in the truth is the best thing we can do for ourselves and others.
Peace to you.
Living in the truth is the best thing we can do for ourselves and others.
Peace to you.
Living without God.
jupiter;1168405 wrote: Good on you,that reminds me of a quote from shakespeare"To thine own self be true then thou canst be false to any man".
Living in the truth is the best thing we can do for ourselves and others.
Peace to you.
Well yes, I again agree with you. Being true to yourself is the best form of humility, and from humility, God will bring progression to you. You won't outpace what God is doing. Jump out ahead and get " Ahead of your REAL self image." I usec to call it the " Emperors Robe Syndrome", people believing themselves, or others, as " Being so Spiritual", thinking they are clothed in righteousness, when really they are naked. They refuse to live without God, or cannot wait on their change.
Reminds me of an old quote I heard years ago; " I am not what I ought to be, I am not what I am going to be, but I do thank God I am not what I used to be." Contained within this statement is reality of what you really are, belief in what you one day will be, and humility and thankfulness that you are at least " Growing while you are waiting to be matured."
The real question is;" Does the Potter has a right over the Clay?" To use you " How and When he will." Romans 9:21. Many are called, few are chosen, and this does NOT mean those not chosen will never be chosen. Those now chosen are just the " Firstfruits", first wave of humans. The rest must live without God for now.
And I want to go into Living without God, so these can know its not all over if you do not yet have God. Its not embarrising, its not condemnation. You know, what really bothers me is this; We have some who have been called,( not chosen, just called) and what are they now doing? Their running around condemning those who have not been called. Its like a child saying to another child; Ha Ha, I made it, and you didn't!
Something is seriously wrong with that.
Peace.
Living in the truth is the best thing we can do for ourselves and others.
Peace to you.
Well yes, I again agree with you. Being true to yourself is the best form of humility, and from humility, God will bring progression to you. You won't outpace what God is doing. Jump out ahead and get " Ahead of your REAL self image." I usec to call it the " Emperors Robe Syndrome", people believing themselves, or others, as " Being so Spiritual", thinking they are clothed in righteousness, when really they are naked. They refuse to live without God, or cannot wait on their change.
Reminds me of an old quote I heard years ago; " I am not what I ought to be, I am not what I am going to be, but I do thank God I am not what I used to be." Contained within this statement is reality of what you really are, belief in what you one day will be, and humility and thankfulness that you are at least " Growing while you are waiting to be matured."
The real question is;" Does the Potter has a right over the Clay?" To use you " How and When he will." Romans 9:21. Many are called, few are chosen, and this does NOT mean those not chosen will never be chosen. Those now chosen are just the " Firstfruits", first wave of humans. The rest must live without God for now.
And I want to go into Living without God, so these can know its not all over if you do not yet have God. Its not embarrising, its not condemnation. You know, what really bothers me is this; We have some who have been called,( not chosen, just called) and what are they now doing? Their running around condemning those who have not been called. Its like a child saying to another child; Ha Ha, I made it, and you didn't!
Something is seriously wrong with that.
Peace.
Living without God.
I am basically content with living without God, until my time of change comes. I see so many believers floating from church to church, religion to religion, trying to " Find the Fix, that fixes their lifes content." And I refuse to do that. The bible clearly shows that God will come to you, when your time comes, you cannot just walk up to him. John 6:44.
Somewhere in the past, humans got the impression that we obtain salvation by our works, or our right living, our right choices, our decision to " Come to Jesus." And salvation became a thing of human choice in our belief. Nothing could be further from the truth, salvation is the real destiny of all humans, its really Gods " Free Gift." So through this misunderstanding, believers are " Rushing to find God", feel preasured to " Be annointed", to the point of claiming that through strong illusions in their minds. Literally " Taking the calling by the force of their belief." And they are not really converted by the Spirit of God, they are converted by their church.
Afraid to live without God, until God comes, and he has promised to come. The hell doctrine has scared the daylights out of people, pressuring them to assume the things of God are in them now.
It is once appointed for a human to be called by God, and every human will receive this calling. Its not a calling that gives them a choice, God does not " Ask if you will see it his way", he simply gives you a new mindset which totally is committed to him.
And knowing that you have NOT received that from God, is nothing to be ashamed of, you just need to know your time will come, perhaps not even in this lifetime. Don't try to be what you are not.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Somewhere in the past, humans got the impression that we obtain salvation by our works, or our right living, our right choices, our decision to " Come to Jesus." And salvation became a thing of human choice in our belief. Nothing could be further from the truth, salvation is the real destiny of all humans, its really Gods " Free Gift." So through this misunderstanding, believers are " Rushing to find God", feel preasured to " Be annointed", to the point of claiming that through strong illusions in their minds. Literally " Taking the calling by the force of their belief." And they are not really converted by the Spirit of God, they are converted by their church.
Afraid to live without God, until God comes, and he has promised to come. The hell doctrine has scared the daylights out of people, pressuring them to assume the things of God are in them now.
It is once appointed for a human to be called by God, and every human will receive this calling. Its not a calling that gives them a choice, God does not " Ask if you will see it his way", he simply gives you a new mindset which totally is committed to him.
And knowing that you have NOT received that from God, is nothing to be ashamed of, you just need to know your time will come, perhaps not even in this lifetime. Don't try to be what you are not.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Living without God.
In Psalms 37:23;" The steps of a man are established by the Lord." This means that our life, our current condition, our beliefs, all are established by God, not our own will. God is just that powerful, just that much in control. 119:133, " Establish my footsteps in thy Word, and do not let any sin have dominion over me." This is how believers come to be believers, and its conversely how non believers, are unbelievers. God ordained it to be so. We are locked into patterns that God has ordained for us to be in. Notice Jermiah 10:23;" I know, O Lord, that a mans way is not in himself; Nor is it in a man who walks to direct his own steps."
Free will is not the key to Salvation, Gods will is. It is NOT within our own will to direct ourselves to the truth. Its not in unbelievers, to create within themselves to believe. Its just not there, which is why God is not judgeing them.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Free will is not the key to Salvation, Gods will is. It is NOT within our own will to direct ourselves to the truth. Its not in unbelievers, to create within themselves to believe. Its just not there, which is why God is not judgeing them.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Living without God.
Mickiel;1170939 wrote: In Psalms 37:23;" The steps of a man are established by the Lord." This means that our life, our current condition, our beliefs, all are established by God, not our own will. God is just that powerful, just that much in control. 119:133, " Establish my footsteps in thy Word, and do not let any sin have dominion over me." This is how believers come to be believers, and its conversely how non believers, are unbelievers. God ordained it to be so. We are locked into patterns that God has ordained for us to be in. Notice Jermiah 10:23;" I know, O Lord, that a mans way is not in himself; Nor is it in a man who walks to direct his own steps."
Free will is not the key to Salvation, Gods will is. It is NOT within our own will to direct ourselves to the truth. Its not in unbelievers, to create within themselves to believe. Its just not there, which is why God is not judgeing them.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Jesus in John 5:30;" I can do Nothing on my own will. As I hear, I judge; and my judgement is just, because I do not seek my own will, but the Will of him who sent me." Here Jesus himself just comes right out and claims his Will is not free, that he never does his own Will, but only the Fathers. If Jesus will is not free from God, then certainly no human will is independant from God.
All things that exist are ruled and Predetermined by the plans and foreknowledge of God, Acts 2:23. So if a person is an unbeliever, its only because God has willed them to be so, its not their fault. And conversely, if a person believes, they only do so by the will of God, so they cannot glory in their belief as if it was " Their Will" to do so. But the Pride of Life has " Swept up believers", and they think it was their choice to believe. Conversely to some unbelievers, they have a sense of doom, thinking because they are without God, its their fault or choice.
Nothing could be further from the truth. And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Free will is not the key to Salvation, Gods will is. It is NOT within our own will to direct ourselves to the truth. Its not in unbelievers, to create within themselves to believe. Its just not there, which is why God is not judgeing them.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Jesus in John 5:30;" I can do Nothing on my own will. As I hear, I judge; and my judgement is just, because I do not seek my own will, but the Will of him who sent me." Here Jesus himself just comes right out and claims his Will is not free, that he never does his own Will, but only the Fathers. If Jesus will is not free from God, then certainly no human will is independant from God.
All things that exist are ruled and Predetermined by the plans and foreknowledge of God, Acts 2:23. So if a person is an unbeliever, its only because God has willed them to be so, its not their fault. And conversely, if a person believes, they only do so by the will of God, so they cannot glory in their belief as if it was " Their Will" to do so. But the Pride of Life has " Swept up believers", and they think it was their choice to believe. Conversely to some unbelievers, they have a sense of doom, thinking because they are without God, its their fault or choice.
Nothing could be further from the truth. And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Living without God.
One of the most common approaches to most religions is very simple: the " Good" make it and the " Bad" do not. This theme is interwoven into our belief systems, good living is rewarded by " The Creator", and bad living is punished by him. An although I never would have thought in my wildess dreams I would come to this point, I can no longer accept that theme as the explination of what the Creator has done to humans, and is now doing to humans. So I reject the premise.
I cannot accept that there is a " Great War" going on between good and evil, nor that the Creator has established that war. Evil has won far too many of those wars, and engulfed far too many humans. A being of the Creators capabilitys, such a senerio would lead to far too many " Casualitys" amoung unsuspecting humans, so there is no great war. I don't think ANY power even remotely approaches the power of the Creator anyway. War is only reasonable when one side has the power to fight the other. And thats what gets to me, evil only affects humans, it does not effect God, who surely must have created " The Oppisition" anyway. We only suffer from evil, not God. Evil cannot defeat God, it can only do that to humans.
So it remains to reason that God MUST protect his creation from evil, which is more powerful than us anyway. Or is he somehow " Using evil" in our development? Why would God need evil to develop humanity? Jesus was born straight through the conception of the Holy Spirit, when he was reborn on earth. God could have done that to all of humanity, why didn't he?
And I want to go into these things.
Peace.
I cannot accept that there is a " Great War" going on between good and evil, nor that the Creator has established that war. Evil has won far too many of those wars, and engulfed far too many humans. A being of the Creators capabilitys, such a senerio would lead to far too many " Casualitys" amoung unsuspecting humans, so there is no great war. I don't think ANY power even remotely approaches the power of the Creator anyway. War is only reasonable when one side has the power to fight the other. And thats what gets to me, evil only affects humans, it does not effect God, who surely must have created " The Oppisition" anyway. We only suffer from evil, not God. Evil cannot defeat God, it can only do that to humans.
So it remains to reason that God MUST protect his creation from evil, which is more powerful than us anyway. Or is he somehow " Using evil" in our development? Why would God need evil to develop humanity? Jesus was born straight through the conception of the Holy Spirit, when he was reborn on earth. God could have done that to all of humanity, why didn't he?
And I want to go into these things.
Peace.
Living without God.
One thing I am fastly approaching in a sad realization: that all my life has been basically lived without God. The greatest power that I can reconize looking back on my life, because often hindsight is better than fore sight, has been sin. Its grip on me has been dominant, and negative. Not that God has never did anything for me, I am sure he has, behind the scenes. I mean, if you are merely alive, that within itself is a great gift from God. But I have never personally known God, and have ALWAYS desired to.
I thought I had met him in each religion I had tried. Baptist, Catholic, Jehovahs Witnesses, 7 day Adventist, Non denominational, the Worldwide Church of God and Universalism. None of these ever panned out for me, and some lasted for years. A group can only take you as far as they have been, and no further, if you place your trust in that group. Over and over again I tried to find God and the Truth, through other people. I finally grew tired of that, and now I walk alone. Asking God to teach me himself, I don't want to learn through people anymore.
The beliefs that are in my mind now, either they come from God, come from evil, or My imagination creates them itself. This is still confusing, but at least other people are out of the mix, and I like that much of it. If I am destined to be a fool, then let me be one by myself.
I think I am really surprised at my current understanding, because I NEVER thought the things I believe now could ever be true. Because I suspect that not only I, but everyonelse is living without God. I hope I am wrong about this, but it grows within me. The reason WHy churchs are fadeing, the reason Why evil is growing, the reason Why the youth of the world are continually uninterested in God, is really, probally, that God is just not here on earth. And the world suffers because of that. My life suffers because of that. Your church has troubles because of that. Your understanding of God is limited because of that.
Now we can pacify ourselves and pretend that God is here, through human emotion and nebulous doctrines. God is not here now, and has not been to earth in thousands of years. Thats why the earth itself is suffering. Well Jesus came for a relatively short 33 years, then he left. He has not returned either. But he promised to send the " Holy Spirit", to accompany " Believers" until his return.
So the world has been living without God AND Jesus, and we suffer because of that. We need them more than we even know and understand. We need our Creator and our Lord, both personally in our lives, and in our world community. Left to ourselves, eventually we'll just kill each other.
So the Holy Spirit is the ONLY remnant of God left to this world, and the bible. So if God gives you this Holy Spirit, THEN you can understand the bible, the truth, even God and Jesus themselves. If he does not give it, I hate to say this, but basically your screwed. Now I am saying this from the view I have, I myself am screwed, I don't have Gods Spirit, and I can't tell anyone how they can " Get It". Because Its impossble to " Get it", it must be given.
What Gods technique or conditions of giving it to whomever he does, I have very little ideals. I just know that I am living without him. You look back at your life and see how you have falled prey to the same things, over and over again. Like a viscious cycle that keeps hurting you, trapping you, enslaving you, and you keep trying, but your effort just never seems to reach that point which the bible speaks of, Peace, Victory, Perfection.
I grow so tired of this. I long and beg for God to release me. And yet, I must live on without him.
Peace.
I thought I had met him in each religion I had tried. Baptist, Catholic, Jehovahs Witnesses, 7 day Adventist, Non denominational, the Worldwide Church of God and Universalism. None of these ever panned out for me, and some lasted for years. A group can only take you as far as they have been, and no further, if you place your trust in that group. Over and over again I tried to find God and the Truth, through other people. I finally grew tired of that, and now I walk alone. Asking God to teach me himself, I don't want to learn through people anymore.
The beliefs that are in my mind now, either they come from God, come from evil, or My imagination creates them itself. This is still confusing, but at least other people are out of the mix, and I like that much of it. If I am destined to be a fool, then let me be one by myself.
I think I am really surprised at my current understanding, because I NEVER thought the things I believe now could ever be true. Because I suspect that not only I, but everyonelse is living without God. I hope I am wrong about this, but it grows within me. The reason WHy churchs are fadeing, the reason Why evil is growing, the reason Why the youth of the world are continually uninterested in God, is really, probally, that God is just not here on earth. And the world suffers because of that. My life suffers because of that. Your church has troubles because of that. Your understanding of God is limited because of that.
Now we can pacify ourselves and pretend that God is here, through human emotion and nebulous doctrines. God is not here now, and has not been to earth in thousands of years. Thats why the earth itself is suffering. Well Jesus came for a relatively short 33 years, then he left. He has not returned either. But he promised to send the " Holy Spirit", to accompany " Believers" until his return.
So the world has been living without God AND Jesus, and we suffer because of that. We need them more than we even know and understand. We need our Creator and our Lord, both personally in our lives, and in our world community. Left to ourselves, eventually we'll just kill each other.
So the Holy Spirit is the ONLY remnant of God left to this world, and the bible. So if God gives you this Holy Spirit, THEN you can understand the bible, the truth, even God and Jesus themselves. If he does not give it, I hate to say this, but basically your screwed. Now I am saying this from the view I have, I myself am screwed, I don't have Gods Spirit, and I can't tell anyone how they can " Get It". Because Its impossble to " Get it", it must be given.
What Gods technique or conditions of giving it to whomever he does, I have very little ideals. I just know that I am living without him. You look back at your life and see how you have falled prey to the same things, over and over again. Like a viscious cycle that keeps hurting you, trapping you, enslaving you, and you keep trying, but your effort just never seems to reach that point which the bible speaks of, Peace, Victory, Perfection.
I grow so tired of this. I long and beg for God to release me. And yet, I must live on without him.
Peace.
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Living without God.
abbey;1167482 wrote: I live without god and I get along just fine. :-6 You have a god Abbey...... FERGIE :wah:
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
Living without God.
Have you ever seen someone who would rather that a relationship suffer, than to make the changes it would take to improve it? Or to embrace the ugly truth about themselves, instead of trying to get another to live a lie with you? Well I think this is what many people are doing with God. Rather than admit the reality of your relationship with him, you would rather use your life as an example of what God can do to a human, and expect others to accept your illusion. And I think most churchs on earth are just groups of believers who have done this.
And I want to go into this
"Groupie of believers" mentality, and how it has formed very strong traditional lines of illusion.
Peace.
And I want to go into this
"Groupie of believers" mentality, and how it has formed very strong traditional lines of illusion.
Peace.
Living without God.
In Jeremiah 16:19, latter part of verse, a most stunning scripture;" O Lord my strength and refuge in the day of distress, to you the nations will come, from the ends of the earth and say;" Our Fathers have inherited nothing but falsehood, futility and things of no prophet."
People are going to learn from God, that what they learned from their parents, was just useless lies about him.
They " Grew up learning lies about God." God is santa claus, he is a woman, he is white, hes out to get you. They go on and on, and have wormed there way into our belief systems. God is only comming back for believers, God is American, he hates sinners, its 3 Gods. Its just too long to list.
And it all comes from Living without God, THATS WHY we are deceived.
Peace.
People are going to learn from God, that what they learned from their parents, was just useless lies about him.
They " Grew up learning lies about God." God is santa claus, he is a woman, he is white, hes out to get you. They go on and on, and have wormed there way into our belief systems. God is only comming back for believers, God is American, he hates sinners, its 3 Gods. Its just too long to list.
And it all comes from Living without God, THATS WHY we are deceived.
Peace.
Living without God.
Without a doubt in my mind, the greatest anticipated event in human history was the comming of a promised Messiah. Well he got here, then he left, and now we must wait again.
Insn't that something, we still have to wait again for his return. We have to live without him. You ever wonder why God did it this way? Is he after Patience? Is he trying to drive us nuts? Whats going on with that?
Well one thing it reveals, God is not after instant gradification, thats for sure. He is Patience. Hes building humanity, like a construction worker would build a skyscraper. Layer by layer, generation by generation, century by century, hes building.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Insn't that something, we still have to wait again for his return. We have to live without him. You ever wonder why God did it this way? Is he after Patience? Is he trying to drive us nuts? Whats going on with that?
Well one thing it reveals, God is not after instant gradification, thats for sure. He is Patience. Hes building humanity, like a construction worker would build a skyscraper. Layer by layer, generation by generation, century by century, hes building.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Living without God.
Mickiel;1178433 wrote:
Well one thing it reveals, God is not after instant gradification, thats for sure. He is Patience. Hes building humanity, like a construction worker would build a skyscraper. Layer by layer, generation by generation, century by century, hes building.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Every human will see Gods Salvation, Luke 3:6" All flesh shall see the Salvation of God." See it and experience it, and be given it. Why would God show everyone Salvation and then not give it to them? That makes no sense at all. God is building Salvation,sharing his Life. John 6:33;" For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven and GIVES LIFE to the WORLD." Look, this includes us all, believer or not. Really , when the bible says " World", its really refering to mostly unbelievers.
God is going to GIVE Life to everyone.
John 4:42 calls Jesus the " Savior of the world." The salvation of everyone. Its depressing to watch how religions are trying to short change Gods Salvation, and greedily hoard it to themselves. Gal. 2:6 shows that God shows no " Partiality", meaning hes not going to leave anyone out. 1John 4:14 again shows that God sent Jesus to save EVERYONE, the World. Thats what 1John 2:2 means, Jesus is the " Propitiation" for " Our Sins ( meaning believers) AND, not just ours only, but for the sins of THE WORLD!" Good greif, can the bible be any clearer?
Jesus gave his LIfe as a " Ransom for ALL", 1Tim.2:6. No one is left out. Jesus took away the sins of " The World", John 1:29, again this means everyone.
These are just some of the reasons why I am not believing I am doomed because I am living without God.
Peace.
Well one thing it reveals, God is not after instant gradification, thats for sure. He is Patience. Hes building humanity, like a construction worker would build a skyscraper. Layer by layer, generation by generation, century by century, hes building.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Every human will see Gods Salvation, Luke 3:6" All flesh shall see the Salvation of God." See it and experience it, and be given it. Why would God show everyone Salvation and then not give it to them? That makes no sense at all. God is building Salvation,sharing his Life. John 6:33;" For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven and GIVES LIFE to the WORLD." Look, this includes us all, believer or not. Really , when the bible says " World", its really refering to mostly unbelievers.
God is going to GIVE Life to everyone.
John 4:42 calls Jesus the " Savior of the world." The salvation of everyone. Its depressing to watch how religions are trying to short change Gods Salvation, and greedily hoard it to themselves. Gal. 2:6 shows that God shows no " Partiality", meaning hes not going to leave anyone out. 1John 4:14 again shows that God sent Jesus to save EVERYONE, the World. Thats what 1John 2:2 means, Jesus is the " Propitiation" for " Our Sins ( meaning believers) AND, not just ours only, but for the sins of THE WORLD!" Good greif, can the bible be any clearer?
Jesus gave his LIfe as a " Ransom for ALL", 1Tim.2:6. No one is left out. Jesus took away the sins of " The World", John 1:29, again this means everyone.
These are just some of the reasons why I am not believing I am doomed because I am living without God.
Peace.
Living without God.
Its a barren, cold, almost meaningless existence;
having to live without God.
having to live without God.
Living without God.
Mickiel;1444795 wrote: Its a barren, cold, almost meaningless existence;
having to live without God.
but not an impossible existence; we all live without God in one area or another. I really believe that, and I think that is how he wanted our first existence to be. Barren of him; having all kinds of theories about him; all kinds of confusing religions about him and all kinds of groups against him;
he wanted this;
because he knows what it would do to us all;
the suffering it would cause;
he knows.
having to live without God.
but not an impossible existence; we all live without God in one area or another. I really believe that, and I think that is how he wanted our first existence to be. Barren of him; having all kinds of theories about him; all kinds of confusing religions about him and all kinds of groups against him;
he wanted this;
because he knows what it would do to us all;
the suffering it would cause;
he knows.